Natalee Case Discussion #843 7/14/10 - 7/31/10

[wreck]

Looking up in the "rafters"........... I really like your nickname "Judge Mental" ! 

[klaasend]

Wreck, I got that message yesterday too.  It was during a post and I took too long and it said my session timed out and I'd have to re-post.  It may have something to do with a setting.  I'll find out.

[wreck]

Wreck, I got that message yesterday too.  It was during a post and I took too long and it said my session timed out and I'd have to re-post.  It may have something to do with a setting.  I'll find out.

I got that meessage during a post too -- but this last message (happened last night AND this morning) said I had to "log-out" and then log back in to post.

[klaasend]

Wreck, I got that message yesterday too.  It was during a post and I took too long and it said my session timed out and I'd have to re-post.  It may have something to do with a setting.  I'll find out.

I got that meessage during a post too -- but this last message (happened last night AND this morning) said I had to "log-out" and then log back in to post.

Might have been bringing you over to the new DNS.  There is a script running that is moving everyone over little by little to the new web service for the forum. 

[wreck]

Wreck, I got that message yesterday too.  It was during a post and I took too long and it said my session timed out and I'd have to re-post.  It may have something to do with a setting.  I'll find out.

I got that meessage during a post too -- but this last message (happened last night AND this morning) said I had to "log-out" and then log back in to post.

Might have been bringing you over to the new DNS.  There is a script running that is moving everyone over little by little to the new web service for the forum. 

Okay -- we'll see! 

[Bearlyhere]

I believe Joran murdered while he was in Thailand. I believe Joran murdered between the time after he killed Natalee and before he killed Stephany. He was so calm in the hotel video. He'd done it before.

That is what I have been saying, CBB.  Once he had blood on his hands and got away with it, he never turned back, things only got worse.  The brutality he displayed with Stephany, to make her body look the way it did, was not even human.  She was only a small woman, an innocent girl, really.  What kind of creature does that?

If even what he said was true about what she saw on the computer (which I don't believe was the motivation), what kind of creature (cannot think of another word, animal is to good for him) can be so brutal?

That he killed her is horrible.  The brutal way in which he did it is beyond comprehension.  It is impossible to wrap your head around it.

Joran has been brutal all of his life, it is nothing new.  He needed help when he was a kid and never got it.  Now he was too old to institutionalize without his consent.  This was inevitable.  I wonder what led Anita to want to do it now.  Did he hit her or pummel one of his brothers and she could not stop him?  What happened in her sight that she chose this year to want to put him away?

[MisGivings]

Great Post from RU;

Cochi  PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:15 pm         

Re: there must be thousand os missing girls in thailand
Heli wrote:


Without a doubt.

if there's any argument about human rights...that is one. Very sad what happens to these young girls. to me, the animals that abuse them should not have any rights at all. Joran might be crying about his human rights to get him out of dire straits...what about Stephany's rights? What about the right to live? He took that..he knows he did...he wants to get off because he wasnt aprehended correctly? How can anyone forget or shun away the fact that he...only he...beat this girl to death? What about her rights? What is it that Joran has that trumps any other person's rights? Is he that attractive to some that no matter what he does, its ok? With that kind of charisma...he sure wasted it. It baffles me as to how he cannot do wrong when he does wrong.

[Bearlyhere]

Wreck, I got that message yesterday too.  It was during a post and I took too long and it said my session timed out and I'd have to re-post.  It may have something to do with a setting.  I'll find out.

I got that meessage during a post too -- but this last message (happened last night AND this morning) said I had to "log-out" and then log back in to post.

That happens to me when I have not posted in a while and has for years.  If you hit refresh before you post, it will  not happen to you.

[Bearlyhere]

Wreck, I got that message yesterday too.  It was during a post and I took too long and it said my session timed out and I'd have to re-post.  It may have something to do with a setting.  I'll find out.

I got that meessage during a post too -- but this last message (happened last night AND this morning) said I had to "log-out" and then log back in to post.

PS  Even if it tells you to sign in again, you do not have to, just refresh.

[MisGivings]

Does anyone know anything about this?;

"...Throughout 2009, Van der Sloot was spotted across the globe at various poker tournaments. He won $12,000 at the Asia Pacific Poker Tournament in Macau, where he reportedly assaulted a young woman after inviting her to his room following a night at a local casino. That young woman is filing an official complaint and cooperating with the Peruvian and Dutch authorities, a source tells The Daily Beast. Van der Sloot lived in Bangkok until his father died in February 2010 when he sold the Sawadee Cup café and returned to Aruba to be with his mother. Two months after his father’s death, Van der Sloot attempted to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s mother. He was formally indicted on that charge by a U.S. federal grand jury in late June..."

[Bearlyhere]

Does anyone know anything about this?;

"...Throughout 2009, Van der Sloot was spotted across the globe at various poker tournaments. He won $12,000 at the Asia Pacific Poker Tournament in Macau, where he reportedly assaulted a young woman after inviting her to his room following a night at a local casino. That young woman is filing an official complaint and cooperating with the Peruvian and Dutch authorities, a source tells The Daily Beast. Van der Sloot lived in Bangkok until his father died in February 2010 when he sold the Sawadee Cup café and returned to Aruba to be with his mother. Two months after his father’s death, Van der Sloot attempted to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s mother. He was formally indicted on that charge by a U.S. federal grand jury in late June..."

No.  Does it surprise me?  No.  Did other girls try to testify about the way he treated them?  Yes.  They were all squelched.

[San]

I believe Joran murdered while he was in Thailand. I believe Joran murdered between the time after he killed Natalee and before he killed Stephany. He was so calm in the hotel video. He'd done it before.

That is what I have been saying, CBB.  Once he had blood on his hands and got away with it, he never turned back, things only got worse.  The brutality he displayed with Stephany, to make her body look the way it did, was not even human.  She was only a small woman, an innocent girl, really.  What kind of creature does that?

If even what he said was true about what she saw on the computer (which I don't believe was the motivation), what kind of creature (cannot think of another word, animal is to good for him) can be so brutal?

That he killed her is horrible.  The brutal way in which he did it is beyond comprehension.  It is impossible to wrap your head around it.

Joran has been brutal all of his life, it is nothing new.  He needed help when he was a kid and never got it.  Now he was too old to institutionalize without his consent.  This was inevitable.  I wonder what led Anita to want to do it now.  Did he hit her or pummel one of his brothers and she could not stop him?  What happened in her sight that she chose this year to want to put him away?

I agree Bearly that Joran was brutal all his life.  Paulus allowed Joran to get away with what he did.  They seem to think it was nothing and he would grow out of it.  He murdered Natalee and now murdered Stephany and I will say he murdered more.  Everyone believes Paulus was a quiet man.  He may have been a quiet man but he was a man with an explosive temper.  He blew up at Jug and his friends when they came to the house looking for Natalee.  He blew up at Tim Miller when Tim asked him if he could search his property.  And I believe he dropped dead on the tennis court arguing a call.  He has as bad of a temper as Joran but he knew how to keep it in check at certain times.  Joran has the same temper but only Joran showed his in a different way which was murder.  Joran enjoyed murdering people and putting the fear in people.  He felt it was power that people feared the psycho son.  Paulus put the fear in people in a different way (his connections Police/Judges).  Between him and Van der Straten they were bullying everyone on that island.

Someone posted that Joran beat his younger brother so bad when he was young he almost killed him.  Anita witnessed this.  Now with Paulus' out of the picture and the recent events I believe that Anita knows that Joran is capable of killing his other two brothers.  Joran wants money and he would do anything to get it and that is even killing his own family.

I also believe that Paulus beat Anita.  Look how Anita is acting.  She almost seems happy that her husband is gone.

I also always believed that Paulus was denied being a judge because something happened.  Someone found out something about Paulus.  This old perverted man was hanging out in a casino with his underage son trying to talk to young kids while his wife was out of town.

Paulus and Joran have the same evil looks on their face.

JMO.

[wreck]

Wreck, I got that message yesterday too.  It was during a post and I took too long and it said my session timed out and I'd have to re-post.  It may have something to do with a setting.  I'll find out.

I got that meessage during a post too -- but this last message (happened last night AND this morning) said I had to "log-out" and then log back in to post.

PS  Even if it tells you to sign in again, you do not have to, just refresh.

I guess you "refresh" BEFORE you write your post -- otherwise you lose your post you just wrote. 

[klaasend]

Does anyone know anything about this?;

"...Throughout 2009, Van der Sloot was spotted across the globe at various poker tournaments. He won $12,000 at the Asia Pacific Poker Tournament in Macau, where he reportedly assaulted a young woman after inviting her to his room following a night at a local casino. That young woman is filing an official complaint and cooperating with the Peruvian and Dutch authorities, a source tells The Daily Beast. Van der Sloot lived in Bangkok until his father died in February 2010 when he sold the Sawadee Cup café and returned to Aruba to be with his mother. Two months after his father’s death, Van der Sloot attempted to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s mother. He was formally indicted on that charge by a U.S. federal grand jury in late June..."

Nope, interesting they actually have someone filing a complaint.  Great news!

[wreck]

Does anyone know anything about this?;

"...Throughout 2009, Van der Sloot was spotted across the globe at various poker tournaments. He won $12,000 at the Asia Pacific Poker Tournament in Macau, where he reportedly assaulted a young woman after inviting her to his room following a night at a local casino. That young woman is filing an official complaint and cooperating with the Peruvian and Dutch authorities, a source tells The Daily Beast. Van der Sloot lived in Bangkok until his father died in February 2010 when he sold the Sawadee Cup café and returned to Aruba to be with his mother. Two months after his father’s death, Van der Sloot attempted to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s mother. He was formally indicted on that charge by a U.S. federal grand jury in late June..."

Nope, interesting they actually have someone filing a complaint.  Great news!

Yes -- good news, but why are Dutch authorities involved in something that happened at an "Asian" poker tournament and/or Peru?

[wreck]

Also, I want to re-iterate what Anna brought up lat night. I want all media to recognize that Joran is either "ARUBAN" or "Dutch-ARUBAN" in all accounts. ARUBA has blood on their hands. I want them to get their full credit!

[Magnolia]

Does anyone know anything about this?;

"...Throughout 2009, Van der Sloot was spotted across the globe at various poker tournaments. He won $12,000 at the Asia Pacific Poker Tournament in Macau, where he reportedly assaulted a young woman after inviting her to his room following a night at a local casino. That young woman is filing an official complaint and cooperating with the Peruvian and Dutch authorities, a source tells The Daily Beast. Van der Sloot lived in Bangkok until his father died in February 2010 when he sold the Sawadee Cup café and returned to Aruba to be with his mother. Two months after his father’s death, Van der Sloot attempted to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s mother. He was formally indicted on that charge by a U.S. federal grand jury in late June..."

Nope, interesting they actually have someone filing a complaint.  Great news!

Intresting that someone survived to file a complaint.

[San]

Does anyone know anything about this?;

"...Throughout 2009, Van der Sloot was spotted across the globe at various poker tournaments. He won $12,000 at the Asia Pacific Poker Tournament in Macau, where he reportedly assaulted a young woman after inviting her to his room following a night at a local casino. That young woman is filing an official complaint and cooperating with the Peruvian and Dutch authorities, a source tells The Daily Beast. Van der Sloot lived in Bangkok until his father died in February 2010 when he sold the Sawadee Cup café and returned to Aruba to be with his mother. Two months after his father’s death, Van der Sloot attempted to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s mother. He was formally indicted on that charge by a U.S. federal grand jury in late June..."

Nope, interesting they actually have someone filing a complaint.  Great news!

Intresting that someone survived to file a complaint.

Ain't that the truth.  If this is true this girl is lucky.

[klaasend]

The article in it's entirety:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-07-15/joran-van-der-sloots-sex-trade-accusations/2/


Van der Sloot's Sex-Trade Scheme
by Barbie Latza Nadeau
July 15, 2010 | 11:01pm

Held in a Peruvian jail on murder charges, Joran van der Sloot is now also accused of trafficking underage Thai girls for sex—including two who have gone missing.

As Joran van der Sloot waits in a Peruvian jail to be tried for the murder of Stephany Flores, it increasingly appears that a highly disturbed young man was allowed to rampage freely for years.

New revelations indicate that the list of missing women linked to the 22-year-old Dutchman may grow even longer, all because Aruban police failed to imprison him five years ago. Not long after Van der Sloot narrowly escaped prosecution for the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba on May 30, 2005, he headed home to Holland to finish his studies. He had served three months in Aruban jail after Holloway disappeared, but was released that September due to lack of evidence. Back in Holland, he took a few classes, but spent most of his time gambling in the casinos and smoking pot in coffee bars.

He bragged to friends by email that he had recruited a dozen young Thai women who were on their way to Holland—each for a finder’s fee of $13,000.


Van der Sloot told his parents that he wanted to go to Thailand to study and make a fresh start in a country where no one would have ever heard of him or Natalee Holloway. But what he really wanted to do was cash in on the country’s lucrative sex trade. He enrolled in Rangsit University as a cover, got a student visa, and took on an assumed name. By day, he would play the role of a student. By night, he would be Murphy Jenkins, owner of DD Consulting, which he would describe as a modeling agency specializing in placing strippers in Holland’s better clubs. He even had business cards with a Dutch telephone number printed up.

But just before he was to leave for Thailand in November 2007, he was arrested again on suspicion of Holloway’s murder. This time Holloway’s father and his team of private investigators had come close to proving Van der Sloot’s involvement in her disappearance. Aruban authorities were sure that under the right circumstances, Van der Sloot would eventually confess. But just three weeks later, on December 7, 2007, they were foiled again. Under Aruban law, there just wasn’t enough evidence to keep the young man locked up. Van der Sloot was released again, and immediately took off for Bangkok.

Once in Thailand, he quickly entered the sex trade as a recruiter of young exotic dancers who would, unbeknownst to them, be sold as prostitutes instead. In just a few weeks, he bragged to friends by email that he had recruited a dozen young Thai women who were on their way to Holland—each for a finder’s fee of $13,000. Van der Sloot may be despicable, but he was shrewd with the money. He invested his earnings in the Sawadee Cup coffee bar, a popular haunt for the student crowds and an easy place to find new recruits for his growing sex-trafficking gig. He even posted a tour of the café on his YouTube page.

The scheme was going swimmingly until Van der Sloot’s chief nemesis, Dutch investigative journalist Peter R. De Vries, caught him on hidden camera with a hotel room full of underage women. Van der Sloot can be heard offering them “$15,000 to shake your ass.” The women, of course, would never see that money. A few months after De Vries’ exposé, Dutch authorities started investigating Van der Sloot for human trafficking but never charged him. Now, revelations that two young Thai sex workers who appear on that video are missing have prompted Thai police to open an investigation. They have officially requested access to Van der Sloot in Peru.

Throughout 2009, Van der Sloot was spotted across the globe at various poker tournaments. He won $12,000 at the Asia Pacific Poker Tournament in Macau, where he reportedly assaulted a young woman after inviting her to his room following a night at a local casino. That young woman is filing an official complaint and cooperating with the Peruvian and Dutch authorities, a source tells The Daily Beast. Van der Sloot lived in Bangkok until his father died in February 2010 when he sold the Sawadee Cup café and returned to Aruba to be with his mother. Two months after his father’s death, Van der Sloot attempted to extort $250,000 from Natalee Holloway’s mother. He was formally indicted on that charge by a U.S. federal grand jury in late June.

Authorities in Aruba will be questioning Van der Sloot in his Peruvian jail cell in August regarding new information they have received from Holloway’s father, who is again in Aruba with private investigators trying desperately to find his daughter. But even if the Arubans finally have enough evidence to pin Holloway’s murder to his growing rap sheet, they will have to get in line. They missed their chance to stop him not once, but twice. For the family of Stephany Flores—and, perhaps, the missing Thai women—that is an unforgivable mistake.

Barbie Latza Nadeau, author of the Beast Book Angel Face, about Amanda Knox, has reported from Italy for Newsweek magazine since 1997. She also writes for CNN Traveller, Budget Travel Magazine and Frommer's.

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[Anna]

Also, I want to re-iterate what Anna brought up lat night. I want all media to recognize that Joran is either "ARUBAN" or "Dutch-ARUBAN" in all accounts. ARUBA has blood on their hands. I want them to get their full credit!

Exactly, Wreck!  Aruba is getting a total free pass on all of this.  That won't do!  They are the ones who need the public to be aware of what happens to tourists on their flyspeck of an island.

ARUBAN is what Joran is or Dutch-ARUBAN if you want to designate further.



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