Natalee Case Discussion #843 7/14/10 - 7/31/10

[Kermit]

ribbit Magnolia

[wreck]

IT'S A MATCH

Good to see you Kermit! 

[Keepthefaith]

 

[MisGivings]

Even the bird left!

[Patriot]

Last week, a report in the Chinese state-run People's Daily newspaper alleged that the Afghan Taliban has begun training monkeys in areas along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border as part of the struggle against occupying NATO forces. According to the story, the monkeys are sometimes offered bananas and peanuts as "a series of rewards and punishments to gradually teach them how to" fire Kalashnikovs, light machine guns and trench mortars. (Taiwan's Apple Daily has come up with a brilliant computerized animation of these recruitment tactics.) The People's Daily article quotes a number of unnamed, supposedly "inside" sources, including a U.S. official, but NATO spokesmen have since dismissed any knowledge of these so-called "monkey terrorists."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2004390_2004395,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz0u9yTapa0

[Magnolia]

ribbit Magnolia

I have been missing you!! 
You need to show your happy face around here a bit more often.

You aren't getting a baby like Jen is, are you?

[Bearlyhere]

I was there when Arbeej posted.. Sandra was the first to comment on Arbeej request for phone numbers.

SandraK .. She first posted at Scared Monkeys way before we had a forum. She spent time posting at RWV and even locked horns with ScubaJap. Her nickname here was keywest.
 She also was a part in visitaruba.com .. She creates web sites. She like internet technology.
I have no idea if she was known as Sandra at VisitAruba.com,  I always thought it was her.. I never asked her.
SandraK/ Keywest .. I still talk with her today. Really a good gal.
What she did bring to the table was Early and accurate information on people on Aruba.
Lots of people think they know her and who she is..
Lots of people are guessing and are wrong. She has family and friends who live on Aruba and she knows everyone.
 
 

Edward - you have to be kidding?  SandraK pretended to live in Aruba, SHE DID NOT.  NO, she was not Sandra at VistaAruba.  She was posting on TripAdvisor and she was in the Yahoo Chat before coming over to the SM front page and then into the forum.   She may be "really a good gal" to chat with but as far as knowledge she's been a proven liar and kook, however entertaining.

At first I thought I was in the twilight zone.  Thanks, Klaas.

 

[Bearlyhere]

           

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Was this after or before she was a hooker? 

I am way behind, as usual, but wouldn't it be something if it turns out Joran was involved in his human trafficking with Anita instead of Paulus   .

  HUH??   Anita a hooker?  

Been TRYING to play catch up the last few days.. here and poor little Kyrons thread..  

Funny to see Sebastian VDS reads this forum.  The dude he posted to,., isnt he the one who told this little boy about getting a BJ???  OR something like that?

I am not gonna pick on the little one... IMO he cant help it his brother is a big peice of shit.. I have seen his videos on youtube long ago and thought they were OFF THE WALL.. SEBAS> I sure hope you DO NOT follow in your older brothers footsteps. IMO the ONLY one to seem like he has a DECENT head on his shoulders is your brother VAL.   IMO !  
   Sebas. Videos are not up anymore.. havn't been .. least the ones I have viewed long ago.  
  Too the little.. youngest Vandersloot.. is there ANYTHING you know or have heard about Nats case over the last 5 years?  Were you the one your older brother beat the living shit out of??

JOIN SM.. talk to us ~!!  

<I better not get flamed.. I am trying to be nice..lol>

I agree Val SEEMS to be different, but I'm not so sure he is.  I think he may just hide it better.

JMO



Even though this and other pics like it were all part of just goofing off, the pics are creepy and Val put the pics in an album on his FB page.  Natalie van Hamburg is a long time friend and one time girlfriend of Val and you see what her comment was.  Just sayin'.

 TY TM... first I ever saw the photo.

[Edward]

He sights with his left eye.

[Edward]

Klaasend.. I love you and all that you do and have done.  I just do research and try to stay out of trouble

[Magnolia]

I don't think the Sloots, including Anita, realize that many in the world view them as a murderous
bunch by their association with Joran and Paulus.  They will always carry a stigma.

[wreck]

I don't think the Sloots, including Anita, realize that many in the world view them as a murderous
bunch by their association with Joran and Paulus.  They will always carry a stigma.

That's because she travels only in the circle that is Aruba -- she is revered there! 

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_75450.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Tourist raped in hotel

July 19, 2010, 12:11 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - An American tourist was last night on the beach in Palm Beach at the Radisson Hotel assaulted. The tourist was on a beach when an unknown man jumped out of nowhere on her and fingered her immoral.

Tourists screamed and pushed him away, after a security guard from the hotel to its rescue. The assailant was already gone. The police were alerted. They came to the hotel to the victim, a description of the assailant to get. After a brief surveillance in the neighborhood yielded nothing. Later that evening the police received a report from security guards, however, the Radisson Hotel that a man with the same description as the offender in the neighborhood had seen. When police arrived, there was no trace of the man.

Police spokesman confirmed this morning Papito Comenencia to this newspaper that the matter has now been transferred to the police. "There is nobody arrested," the police spokesman. At the time of printing of this edition has not yet contacted Amigoe could face the management of the Radisson hotel for a response.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_75398.php

Google translation:

Lawyer complains to Aruba in the Netherlands: 'Democracy of Aruba is in decline'

July 17, 2010, 13:28 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - "The democracy of Aruba is in decline. That says Edwina Henriquez, independent advocate for human rights and democracy. She believes that the parliament is not doing its jobs lost. Therefore, she filed a complaint with the Netherlands. She wants the Kingdom acting on Aruba.

The speed with which the parliament last week the budgets of the Ministry for Infrastructure, Environment and Integration approved, according to the lawyer a proof that the parliament's work is not doing well. "It went too fast." The opposition did not, the opportunity to ask questions. Henriquez, the approval of the infrastructure budget, therefore, raise the Dutch government. It serves a complaint with the Kingdom Government and the standing committee of Kingdom Affairs of the Senate and the Netherlands. "Ultimately, the Netherlands is still responsible for proper democracy in Aruba," said the lawyer.

Burgers
"With great fanfare it was said that the two budgets in eight hours of treatment. This is unacceptable in a democratic society. A government and a parliament to approve a budget without adequate questions. You can not. It is up to parliament on behalf of the people good to be informed about the plans of the government. It is the people who pay taxes. The money the government spends money from the people. Therefore, the people's right and duty to Parliament critical of the spending, "said Henriquez.

Dual carriageway
The lawyer is concerned, because the current government's plans regarding infrastructure in the recent past have given rise to civil riots. She refers to the dual carriageway which the government wants to build. Henriquez believes that the Aruban population has made clear that this plan will not simply be accepted. She recalls the actions that are against the plan were conducted during the previous Cabinet ASF, nearly ten years ago.

"The people have voted in this government because it was thought that this government be trusted with public money. It was thought that this government would take up issues that people care about. But those budgets are just through 'gebulldozerd. The parliament has neglected his responsibility. The people deserve better. The people do not want parliament to give approval to everything the government puts forward. If the people would want, then the parliament as well go home. Let the government govern the country but without parliament. Then do the people no longer the high salaries and privileges of the parliamentarians to pay. "

 

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_75441.php

Murdered Stephany had casino winnings on her

17 Jul, 2010, 08:02 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD/LIMA — The Peruvian student Stephany Flores supposedly had more than 11,000 dollars casino winnings on her when Joran van der Sloot murdered her in the hotel room. However, this money has still not been found. At least this is what gambling magazine Gamblng911 wrote, based on sources with the police.

The 21-year old Flores was found dead on June 2nd in a room at the Tac Hotel in Mira Flores, a district in Lima, Peru. She appeared to have been murdered in a violent manner two days earlier. The hotel room was registered in Joran’s name. According to witnesses and camera images, the duo had met each other shortly before in a neighboring casino where they had played poker. Although they had entered his hotel room together, only Joran had left the room on the morning of the murder. That appeared from images of the security cameras.

After the discovery of the body, it appeared that Van der Sloot had meanwhile fled in the direction of Chili.

At the request of the Peruvian government, he was arrested on June 3rd in Chili. The murder suspect was subsequently deported to Peru, where he was apprehended and detained. Van der Sloot is currently in remand in the notorious Castro Castro prison in anticipation of the murder trail. He has confessed the murder, but declared later on that he had confessed under duress.

If Van der Sloot is found guilty of robbery with murder, he is due for a maximum 35-year imprisonment. However, if robbery cannot be proven, he could be sentenced to maximum 15 years imprisonment for murder. Local legal experts expect that a judgment in this case could take up to two years. It is still unknown when the court case will begin. It regularly happens that suspects are in remand for a long time due to the overloaded legal system in Peru.

[Edward]

The Key word is "Supposedly" in the above article.

The hotel rape was actually .. "On the beach"  security guards did not even call the police until way later and I see no sign of a doctor or rape kit..
Rape ArubaStyle..


 

[Buckeye]

Spanish to English translation

Van der Sloot is impulsive and suffer from psychopathy, but is aware of his actions

A psychiatric expertise practiced by the Institute of Legal Medicine gave a report on the personality of the Netherlands, accused as the murderer of Stephany Flores. Tomorrow the Court will review the laptop that was captured
Monday July 19, 2010 - 04:21 pm
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A psychiatric expertise practiced by the Institute of Legal Medicine citizen Joran van der Sloot Netherlands has yielded that this is an impulsive person and that shows psychopathy, but is aware of the consequences of their actions.

Tests were carried him to the accused murderer of Stephany Flowers in the Castro Castro Prison, where he is confined since June 11 last.

The presiding judge, Carlos Morales Cordova, has already received that report and call in the near future professionals who conducted the assessment to ratify the report.

In addition, Morales, head of the Fourth Criminal Court of Lima ruled that tomorrow is performed deslacrado and visualization of the information contained on the laptop with which it was found the Dutchman. The coach will be held at the headquarters of the High Technology Division of the

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/610804/van-der-sloot-impulsivo-sufre-psicopatia-consciente-sus-actos

[Edward]

11,000.00 is a huge amount of money to have on your person in cash almost anyplace in the world.. Peru or almost anywhere south america 11,000.00 could get you murdered.

Well apparently it did.

I just wonder if it was actually in some form of bank note or the casino issued a cashiers check.

[Magnolia]

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Is-Joran-van-der-Sloot-a-serial-killer/8REIJJr27kKt5uCCAmn5Xw.cspx

IS JORAN VAN DER SLOOT A SERIAL KILLER?


Birmingham, Al  (WIAT).  The story of Joran van der Sloot is something that a crime/mystery novelist would be unwilling to stitch together in one book.  But does it make him a potential serial killer?

Let's review the plot elements. 

Joran van der Sloot sits in a Peruvian prison accused of the murder of Stephany Flores.  The 21 year old was found dead in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room.  Although he initially confessed to killing Flores he now has withdrawn that confession claiming everything from coercion to improper legal representation to the absence of a translator.  A Peruvian judge has dismissed his appeal to toss out the graphic confession which involved a trip to the murder scene. 

He's also the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook's Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip to Aruba.  Natalee was last seen in the company of van der Sloot.  Although he was questioned several times by Aruban authorities he has never been charged in that case...a fact some Holloway family members and friends bitterly attribute to the influence of van der Sloot's late father, Paulus, with Aruban authorities.

He is, however, facing a federal indictment here in Birmingham for wire fraud and extortion....the result of an FBI sting where he allegedly promised, but did not deliver, information on Natalee's whereabout.

And, oh yes, he's also been accused of running a sex slave ring to import Thai women to work in Dutch brothels...charges raised by the National Enquirer.  A source has told CBS News Thai officials want to talk to van der Sloot about those allegations.

So....does that make him a potential serial killer?  Not in the mind of criminal profiler Pat Brown.  Writing on the crime blog Women in Crime Ink Brown says the van der Sloot information doesn't meet her definition.


"van der Sloot is no serial killer. He may have killed more than once, but that doesn't make him a serial killer - a serial date rapist, but not a serial killer. He doesn't fit the FBI definition of serial killer, nor mine. He doesn't exhibit serial killer behaviors, " writes Brown.

She goes on to say that by her definition van der Sloot doesn't show enough planning and that for a serial killer rape is almost incidental. She characterizes van der Sloot differently. "He targets women in public places, uses his own name, woos them, and plies them with liquor or drugs (sometimes likely without their full knowledge). When they exit the public venue, he is the person known to be in the woman's company. Most likely, he gets the woman to have sex with him without force. At times, the woman is probably too out of it to resist him; when the sex is over, she goes home and doesn't report it. Why? She knows there will be no evidence of rape to prove she was violated without her consent."