Natalee Case Discussion #843 7/14/10 - 7/31/10

[Northern Rose]

Penalty Joran Van der Sloot could rise psychiatrist considers
The examination Flores Stephany's murderer is a man determined that 'conscious of their actions "so their situation is complicated, he said Rolando Pomalima specialist.

The penalty of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot could increase because the last review was performed psychiatric determined that suffers from psychopathy, which indicates that a man is fully conscious of his actions, he said Rolando Pomalima psychiatrist.


He said people with personality disorders, such as the murderer of the young Stephany Flores, often do not feel appreciated by others, are egocentric and manipulative, and have a high failure of empathy.


"This personality disorder is not within the scope of the problems of people with psychotic disorders or schizophrenia, no hallucinations, delusions of persecution, much less bone that these people are responsible, easily should be tried for the peace of the population," told RPP.


"These are cases where people are perfectly aware of their acts, acts that are chargeable. They even plan their own crimes, premeditated, and often take pleasure in their acts, have no remorse for having done," he said.

Medical Legal Institute of Medicine conducted a Van der Sloot, who is being held at the Castro Castro prison, a psychiatric expertise is determined that a "showing impulsive psychopathy, but is aware of the acts performed."


The report is held by Judge Carlos Morales Cordova, who is in charge of the process remains the citizens Netherlands for the murder of the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, occurred last May 30 at a hotel in Miraflores .

http://74.54.240.36/2010-07-20-pena-de-joran-van-der-sloot-podria-aumentar-considera-psiquiatra-noticia_281139.html

[msmarple]

O/O, but in the spirit of All Things Monkey ...

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/man-arrested-smuggling-18-monkeys-clothing/story?id=11206101

Man Arrested Smuggling 18 Monkeys in Clothing
Peruvian Man Caught at Mexico City's Airport Smuggled 18 Endangered Titi Monkeys


Police at the Mexico City airport, who detained a man with a suspicious bulge under his T-shirt Monday, found 18 small endangered monkeys concealed under his clothing in a girdle. {Spanx for Men! lol}

Roberto Cabrera, 38, traveled to Mexico City aboard a commercial flight Friday from Lima, Peru, and was searched when he began behaving "nervously," police said in a statement.

Cabrera has been charged with trafficking of endangered species.

According to the Mexican Department of Public Safety, Cabrera told authorities that the monkeys were originally hidden in a suitcase, but transferred them to the girdle "so the X-rays wouldn't hurt them."

Each of the 6-inch monkeys were hidden in small sacks and suspended from the girdle. Two of the animals were dead when authorities found them.

Cabrera said he purchased the monkeys for $30 apiece. According to experts titi monkeys can sell for as much as $1,000 on the illegal wildlife market.

Many species of titi, a small furry monkey often captured for the pet trade, are considered endangered under international law.

According to TRAFFIC, the international wildlife trade monitoring organization, some 22,346 animals and wildlife products were seized by authorities in Mexico in 2009. Mexico City has a booming illegal wildlife trade, much of it focused at the Sonora and Xochimilco markets.

Last year, an American woman was convicted for smuggling a rhesus macaque from Thailand to Spokane, Washington.

Gypsy Lawson, 28, pretended to be pregnant in order to smuggle the monkey into the U.S. She received 60 days in jail.

[Kermit]

Good to see you Kermit! 

Hey wreck hows it going?

[Kermit]

Miss Magnolia

NO babies coming for me (that I know of) heh heh.

Jen's going to be a mommy very soon though.   


Anyone remember the name of Joran's dog?

[SuzieQ]

There has been a rash of young people dieing in Aruba lately, mostly car accidents and one being shot, but to me it justs seems like a lot for such a small place. Does anyone know what happened to these two? They were in Diario today.

[Edward]

Those Dijkhoof people are falling lie flies.. 

Wonder if he was any relation to Ruth ?

[Magnolia]

Miss Magnolia

NO babies coming for me (that I know of) heh heh.

Jen's going to be a mommy very soon though.   


Anyone remember the name of Joran's dog?

Choller??

[klaasend]

Miss Magnolia

NO babies coming for me (that I know of) heh heh.

Jen's going to be a mommy very soon though.   


Anyone remember the name of Joran's dog?

Choller

[klaasend]

Miss Magnolia

NO babies coming for me (that I know of) heh heh.

Jen's going to be a mommy very soon though.   


Anyone remember the name of Joran's dog?

Choller

http://en.zorpia.com/loverboy362

[Northern Rose]

Judicial review laptop Dutchman Joran van der Sloot

Lima (Peru.com) .- The Judiciary rescheduled for this Wednesday deslacrado and review of the information stored in the computer of the citizen Joran van der Sloot Netherlands, as part of the process followed by the murder of the young Stephany Flores, 30 May.
 
The judge ordered that Cordova Carlos Morales reserved diligence is performed in the Division of High Technology DIRINCRI with the presence of the parties involved in the process.
 
Judge seeks to corroborate the version that Van der Sloot gave to the police, he would have killed on Flores because it found information on his laptop, connected with American Natalee Holloway in Aruba, in 2005.

http://www.peru.com/noticias/portada20100720/108808/Poder-Judicial-revisara-la-laptop-de-holandes-Joran-Van-der-Sloot

[Northern Rose]

Joran van der Sloot is a psychopath

According to medical report from the Attorney General of the Netherlands is aware of what he does.
The medical report sinks more Joran Van der Sloot. According to experts, the citizens Netherlands is impulsive and has a psychopathic personality but he knows what he's doing.

This report is already in the hands of the judge who prosecuted for the alleged murder of Stephany Flores.

http://trome.pe/noticia/610763/joran-psicopata

[Northern Rose]

Penalty Joran Van der Sloot could rise psychiatrist considers

The examination Flores Stephany's murderer is a man determined that 'conscious of their actions "so their situation is complicated, he said Rolando Pomalima specialist.

The penalty of Dutchman Joran van der Sloot could increase because the last review was performed psychiatric determined that suffers from psychopathy, which indicates that a man is fully conscious of his actions, he said Rolando Pomalima psychiatrist.

He said people with personality disorders, such as the murderer of the young Stephany Flores, often do not feel appreciated by others, are egocentric and manipulative, and have a high failure of empathy.

"This personality disorder is not within the scope of the problems of people with psychotic disorders or schizophrenia, no hallucinations, delusions of persecution, much less bone that these people are responsible, easily should be tried for the peace of the population," told RPP.

"These are cases where people are perfectly aware of their acts, acts that are chargeable. They even plan their own crimes, premeditated, and often take pleasure in their acts, have no remorse for having done," he said.

Medical Legal Institute of Medicine conducted a Van der Sloot, who is being held at the Castro Castro prison, a psychiatric expertise is determined that a "showing impulsive psychopathy, but is aware of the acts performed."

The report is held by Judge Carlos Morales Cordova, who is in charge of the process remains the citizens Netherlands for the murder of the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores, occurred last May 30 at a hotel in Miraflores .

http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-07-20-pena-de-joran-van-der-sloot-podria-aumentar-considera-psiquiatra-noticia_281139.html

[texasmom]

There has been a rash of young people dieing in Aruba lately, mostly car accidents and one being shot, but to me it justs seems like a lot for such a small place. Does anyone know what happened to these two? They were in Diario today.

I read about the Wever woman in Awe Mainta last night.  She was the sister of Julitza Wever, discussed here many times because she died and was buried around the time of Natalee's disappearance and looked similar.

I don't know what happened or why she died. 

A long time ago Caps said Julitza died of cancer but I have no idea if that's true or not.

[wreck]

There has been a rash of young people dieing in Aruba lately, mostly car accidents and one being shot, but to me it justs seems like a lot for such a small place. Does anyone know what happened to these two? They were in Diario today.

I read about the Wever woman in Awe Mainta last night.  She was the sister of Julitza Wever, discussed here many times because she died and was buried around the time of Natalee's disappearance and looked similar.

I don't know what happened or why she died. 

A long time ago Caps said Julitza died of cancer but I have no idea if that's true or not.

I think Caps was trying to say that Julitza died at the same time of Natalee and that possibly they buried them both together (or some other diabolical body switch).

[klaasend]

There has been a rash of young people dieing in Aruba lately, mostly car accidents and one being shot, but to me it justs seems like a lot for such a small place. Does anyone know what happened to these two? They were in Diario today.

I read about the Wever woman in Awe Mainta last night.  She was the sister of Julitza Wever, discussed here many times because she died and was buried around the time of Natalee's disappearance and looked similar.

I don't know what happened or why she died. 

A long time ago Caps said Julitza died of cancer but I have no idea if that's true or not.

I think Caps was trying to say that Julitza died at the same time of Natalee and that possibly they buried them both together (or some other diabolical body switch).

Long before Caps showed up it was a theory posted by Rob and others.  To me the easiest quickest way to get rid of a body is to put it in a crypt with another body.  It has always been on my list of possibilities.

[wreck]

There has been a rash of young people dieing in Aruba lately, mostly car accidents and one being shot, but to me it justs seems like a lot for such a small place. Does anyone know what happened to these two? They were in Diario today.

I read about the Wever woman in Awe Mainta last night.  She was the sister of Julitza Wever, discussed here many times because she died and was buried around the time of Natalee's disappearance and looked similar.

I don't know what happened or why she died. 

A long time ago Caps said Julitza died of cancer but I have no idea if that's true or not.

I think Caps was trying to say that Julitza died at the same time of Natalee and that possibly they buried them both together (or some other diabolical body switch).

Long before Caps showed up it was a theory posted by Rob and others.  To me the easiest quickest way to get rid of a body is to put it in a crypt with another body.  It has always been on my list of possibilities.

You are right - Rob did theorize that first! My problem with Caps is that it was just one of about 4 different scenarios that he proposed as "gospel" of what happened.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_75504.php

Google translation:

"Joran has psychopathic traits'

July 20, 2010, 13:21 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot (22), impulsive and psychopathic traits. Peruvian doctors say this in a medical report which Peruvian media reported yesterday.

The doctors examined Joran in the maximum security prison in the Miguel Castro Castro Lima, where he is in custody awaiting trial. The medical report was handed over to the courts.

Joran is suspected of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores (1921) on May 30 in his hotel room in Lima. During an initial interrogation at the trial on June 21 Joran said nothing. Previously, he had a confession, but he later pulled back. Earlier this month, Joran in the U.S. also indicted for extortion. According to Joran justice demanded a sum of $ 250,000 from the mother of missing teen Natalee Holloway. In exchange for that money he would reveal the location of her body. Natalee disappeared in Aruba on May 30, 2005, exactly five years for the murder of Flores. Joran is still the prime suspect in this case.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_75504.php

Google translation:

"Joran has psychopathic traits'

July 20, 2010, 13:21 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot (22), impulsive and psychopathic traits. Peruvian doctors say this in a medical report which Peruvian media reported yesterday.

The doctors examined Joran in the maximum security prison in the Miguel Castro Castro Lima, where he is in custody awaiting trial. The medical report was handed over to the courts.

Joran is suspected of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores (1921) on May 30 in his hotel room in Lima. During an initial interrogation at the trial on June 21 Joran said nothing. Previously, he had a confession, but he later pulled back. Earlier this month, Joran in the U.S. also indicted for extortion. According to Joran justice demanded a sum of $ 250,000 from the mother of missing teen Natalee Holloway. In exchange for that money he would reveal the location of her body. Natalee disappeared in Aruba on May 30, 2005, exactly five years for the murder of Flores. Joran is still the prime suspect in this case.

I don't know why (21) translated to (1921).   

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_75505.php

Google translation:

Research on gas Aruba Venezuela

July 20, 2010, 1:22 p.m. (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Valero, WEB and the government consider the creation of a gas pipeline between Venezuela and Aruba is financially feasible. It also looks at the possibility of building a Liquid Natural Gas (LNG) plant.

Last week, Amigoe that Valero is considering the San Nicolas refinery to run entirely on natural gas instead of fuel. The electricity in this Valero gas generates, will thus be cheaper. The refinery has the Government that they are part of the cheaper electricity is sold to Web. The utility company can thus allowing a cost savings of water and electricity may be cheaper ..

Committee
Since then the Government's "high level" talks with Venezuela, where the gas would come from. "We have now received a positive response from Venezuela. The idea is that there is a committee, which includes engineers from both countries. This committee will look at the two facilities, a pipeline or an LNG facility, "said Premier Mike Eman (AVP).

Eman explains both possibilities. "If we want gas, from Venezuela to Aruba will be charged. It goes through large tanks. But it takes a lot of money. The price of gas relative to fuel it partially destroyed. In order to cope, there is the possibility of an LNG facility in Aruba to build.

In such a system may liquefied gas - a little easier to transport than just gas - are converted into gas that is suitable for production, "said Eman.

"Another possibility is a gas pipeline between Venezuela and Aruba to build. For this we need the cooperation required of Venezuela. "Proudly shows Eman know that the government of the South American country's first call for proposals Aruba positively received. "The creation of such a pipeline will be approximately one and a half years to complete. The committee should go and see whether such a pipeline is technically and financially feasible, and what the consequences for both countries. "

Electricity
The Prime Minister dismisses any concerns already established path. "If the gas through a pipeline Venezuela provide, they also slam the lead when there is disagreement. But then prepared to Aruba. Web has been informed that it was technically able to within fifteen minutes to switch to gas fuel. In this way we have always assured that we have electricity. "


Gas
According to the Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs is the policy of the Venezuelan government aims to diversify the energy sector, including by developing the natural gas industry. In the east of Venezuela in the Paria Peninsula become major gas project realized toe. In addition, the Venezuelan government signed an agreement with Trinidad & Tobago for joint exploration and exploitation of gas fields in the maritime border. Last year in Latin America discussed the establishment of a 8000 km long pipeline, in addition to Venezuela include Brazil and Argentina calling.

 

[Tamikosmom]

3.  THE ARREST OF THE SECURITY GUARDS

Strong Suspicion?

According to Aruban Law ... arrest of a suspect requires "strong" suspicion.  What "strong" suspicion did ALE possess to warrant the arrests of the security guards in the Natalee Holloway case.
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Aruban PM Seeks Answers
Saturday , June 11, 2005

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers. According to Aruba law, only strong suspicion — not evidence — is necessary to continue holding a suspect.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html


Mickey John's Attorney

Why was Mickey John targeted?  Could it be that the motive was an attempt to pacify Americans by creating a diversion from the suspicion that was cast on Joran van der Sloot?
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NANCY GRACE
Aired June 9, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

NORAINA PIETERSZ, MICKEY JOHN`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY:  The fact is that he was not at the Holiday Inn. He was never seen at that time during the disappearance at the Holiday Inn. He was not working. He didn`t have a uniform, so it could never be him, the man that these two now suspects are talking about.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html


Abraham Jones’ Attorney

Why was Abraham Jones targeted?  Could it be that the motive was an attempt to pacify Americans who were beginning to suspect a coverup was taking place within the Natalee Holloway investigation?
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NANCY GRACE
Aired June 9, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: My client`s alibi he is that went to a soul music festival at another beach far away from the Holiday Inn hotel. He was there with his wife, with his friend, and he saw many friends there. They were together when he went home, and they spent the night together at home. The next morning, he woke up and went to work at around 7:00 o`clock in the morning, a very believable and confirmed alibi.

http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html


The Aruban Prosecutor

What foundation did Karin Janssen draw from that warranted the arrest of the security guards on suspicion of first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping?
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 5, 2005
Suspects Charged In Aruba Case
Authorities Arrest Two Men In Disappearance Of Alabama Teen

The men - ages 28 and 30 - were arrested Sunday morning at two separate homes in the southeastern community of San Nicolas, Attorney General Caren Janssen told reporters at news conference in the capital.

“The charges have a relationship with the disappearance,” Janssen said, without providing details. “There is a reasonable suspicion they may be involved.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/04/national/main699667.shtml


Spokesperson for the Aruban Government

The spokesperson for the Aruban Government implied that a "strategy" was behind the motive now to arresst Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe sooner.  The implication is that the security guards were used as unwitting pawns in that "strategy".
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ARUBAN PM SEEKS ANSWERS
Saturday, June 11, 2005

"It is likely it may have been a police strategy to let these three men go to gather more information," Ruben Trapenberg, spokesman for the Aruba government, told FOX News Thursday morning.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html


Mickey John's Attorney

Mickey John's attorney claims that the arrest of the security guards for strategic purposes does not conform with Aruban law.
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'Scarborough Country' for June 14
updated 6/15/2005 2:46:22 PM ET

NORAINA PIETERSZ, ATTORNEY FOR MICKEY JOHN: You know, I have heard a lot of rumors about some strategic plan or something like that. I don‘t want to believe so, because, even according to the Aruban law, it is not allowed to take in an innocent person as a suspect, whereas you might have some other suspect walking out there.  And that was the case with my client. Three—three people were heard as witnesses. They were witnesses from the beginning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8231452/


Mother of Natalee Holloway

Bottom Line!  Aruban authorities knew prior to the arrest of the security guards that Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe were lying about returning Natalee Holloway to the Holliday Inn.
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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 12/6/2005 9:18:21 AM ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn.  They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one. ….

What was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


Spokesperson for the Aruban Government

The revealed lie regarding Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe returning Natalee to the Holiday Inn should have negated the account regarding the observation of the security guards.  Why were the security guards detained?
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ARUBAN PM SEEKS ANSWERS
Saturday, June 11, 2005

"The three witnesses gave information about the two guys [already in custody] and that is why they were held. If one of those two has an alibi, then the story [given by the three witnesses] doesn't fit and therefore the two may then be released depending on the proof."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html