Natalee Case Discussion #843 7/14/10 - 7/31/10

[wreck]

I'm not sure it's her but IMO the woman with Van der Straten looks like Theresa Croes-Fernandes Pedra.

Picture from 2007
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-02-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/croes-fernandes.jpg




February 2010

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

It doesn't look like her to me.

Well, I see the resemblance....don't shoot me San.      Nose....those eyebrows....& eyes.   

I cannot find the pic, but in the picture of Anita, wearing the red lounge wear, there is a lady standing in the back (our) right.  She looks like the one with JVDS. IFA??

This one Buckeye? 


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Is this Anita's bowling attire or cougar attire?

PLEASE   -- let's not mention Anita and "cougar" in the same sentence! 

[texasmom]

wreck!   

[Nut44x4]

Seems like I read this quite a while ago, but it is dated today..... ?

Van der Sloot analysis: Blaming the victims?

Last Update: 8:58 am  

Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Blaming the victim is generally considered bad form.  Turning murdered Peruvian student Stephany Flores into exhibit A in an argument with feminists is unsettling at the least.  But that's the basic premise in a recent online posting on MensNewsDaily.

Joran van der Sloot is the topic of world wide comment and analysis.  A Google search of van der Sloot turns up more than 33 MILLION hits in less than a second.  

Many date back five years to the still unsolved disappearance of Mountain Brook's Natalee Holloway.  The eighteen year old vanished on a graduation trip to Aruba.  She was last seen with van der Sloot who was questioned but never charged by Aruban authorities.

Van der Sloot stayed on the radar of but was hardly top of mind until he surfaced as the suspect in the murder of another young woman, 21 year old Stephany Flores, in Peru.  She was found dead in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room.  This time there seems little room to hide beyond legal technicalities.  Peruvian officials have security camera video of Flores following van der Sloot into his room.  They have forensic evidence.  They even have a confession in which van der Sloot reportedly says he killed Flores after she found Holloway related material on his laptop.  Van der Sloot is trying to have that confession thrown out claiming coercion and improper legal representation.  The judge in the case has rejected those claims.

But as he sits waiting for the Peruvian justice system to grind away, van der Sloot has become a favorite subject for long distance analysis and, for  some, a metaphor for examining gender stereotypes.  There are articles like Who's writing love letters to Joran van der Sloot?  and others in which he's put through the psychological microscope with subtitles like "Psychopathic narcissism, malingering, and the angry inner child."

Common themes of these and others is the allure of the "bad boy" and "thug" to women.   But an article "Patriarchy for Dummies" on the website MensNewsDaily goes a whole lot further...blaming, if not the victims, than certainly human nature and the inherent relationship between men and women.

The article asks what do high profile murder suspects like Scott Peterson and Joran van der Sloot have in common.  According to the author " It is really simple. Men are wired to do whatever it takes to be selected by women for mating. Women are wired to select men that are dominant and aggressive, e.g. patriarchal.

Do I need to say that again?

Do you ever wonder why men like Scott Peterson show up at death row with a stack of marriage proposals waiting for them? That’s what happened, and the proposals came from women who only knew one thing about him: He savagely murdered his wife, cutting his own baby from her abdomen and dumped them both out of a boat into the bay.

How is that for marriage material?

It isn’t any different with Joran van der Sloot. After skating on the Holloway murder, van der Sloot became a sexual celebrity. Everywhere he went, young women in their sexual prime threw themselves at him like he was Mick Jagger.

Something about the missing body of a young girl and his fingerprints all over the case acted like Spanish Fly on these women.

Of course, he killed again. And of course, his marriage proposals started rolling in as well."

The article goes on to assess Stephany Flores body language as she follows van der Sloot into his hotel room. "Note the two steps behind and head bowed like a Geisha body language. It is the age old false female submission to male authority, killer authority, in order to have access and eventual control of that power. It is the same type of power that has been making women wet and tingly since the prehistoric plains of the African savanna."

Leaving aside potential explanations ranging from she's simply tired to speculation she had been drugged,  Paul
Elam in his MensNewsDaily article attributes it to a primeval attraction and turns the Flores case into one more skirmish with feminism.

His conclusion:  "Let‘s be real here, all feminism has done is give women a new place to kick back and take it easy while men ante up the blood, sweat and tears. And it leaves their supposedly lamented patriarchy safe and completely intact, ready to do their bidding in any way they want.

Same as it ever was."
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-analysis-Blaming-the-victims/k6Y6DwRS_k2elOEENwlSAA.cspx

[2NJSons_Mom]

Seems like Iread this quite a while ago, but it is dated today..... ?

Van der Sloot analysis: Blaming the victims?

Last Update: 8:58 am 

Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Blaming the victim is generally considered bad form.  Turning murdered Peruvian student Stephany Flores into exhibit A in an argument with feminists is unsettling at the least.  But that's the basic premise in a recent online posting on MensNewsDaily.

Joran van der Sloot is the topic of world wide comment and analysis.  A Google search of van der Sloot turns up more than 33 MILLION hits in less than a second. 

Many date back five years to the still unsolved disappearance of Mountain Brook's Natalee Holloway.  The eighteen year old vanished on a graduation trip to Aruba.  She was last seen with van der Sloot who was questioned but never charged by Aruban authorities.

Van der Sloot stayed on the radar of but was hardly top of mind until he surfaced as the suspect in the murder of another young woman, 21 year old Stephany Flores, in Peru.  She was found dead in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room.  This time there seems little room to hide beyond legal technicalities.  Peruvian officials have security camera video of Flores following van der Sloot into his room.  They have forensic evidence.  They even have a confession in which van der Sloot reportedly says he killed Flores after she found Holloway related material on his laptop.  Van der Sloot is trying to have that confession thrown out claiming coercion and improper legal representation.  The judge in the case has rejected those claims.

But as he sits waiting for the Peruvian justice system to grind away, van der Sloot has become a favorite subject for long distance analysis and, for  some, a metaphor for examining gender stereotypes.  There are articles like Who's writing love letters to Joran van der Sloot?  and others in which he's put through the psychological microscope with subtitles like "Psychopathic narcissism, malingering, and the angry inner child."

Common themes of these and others is the allure of the "bad boy" and "thug" to women.   But an article "Patriarchy for Dummies" on the website MensNewsDaily goes a whole lot further...blaming, if not the victims, than certainly human nature and the inherent relationship between men and women.

The article asks what do high profile murder suspects like Scott Peterson and Joran van der Sloot have in common.  According to the author " It is really simple. Men are wired to do whatever it takes to be selected by women for mating. Women are wired to select men that are dominant and aggressive, e.g. patriarchal.

Do I need to say that again?

Do you ever wonder why men like Scott Peterson show up at death row with a stack of marriage proposals waiting for them? That’s what happened, and the proposals came from women who only knew one thing about him: He savagely murdered his wife, cutting his own baby from her abdomen and dumped them both out of a boat into the bay.

How is that for marriage material?

It isn’t any different with Joran van der Sloot. After skating on the Holloway murder, van der Sloot became a sexual celebrity. Everywhere he went, young women in their sexual prime threw themselves at him like he was Mick Jagger.

Something about the missing body of a young girl and his fingerprints all over the case acted like Spanish Fly on these women.

Of course, he killed again. And of course, his marriage proposals started rolling in as well."

The article goes on to assess Stephany Flores body language as she follows van der Sloot into his hotel room. "Note the two steps behind and head bowed like a Geisha body language. It is the age old false female submission to male authority, killer authority, in order to have access and eventual control of that power. It is the same type of power that has been making women wet and tingly since the prehistoric plains of the African savanna."

Leaving aside potential explanations ranging from she's simply tired to speculation she had been drugged,  Paul
Elam in his MensNewsDaily article attributes it to a primeval attraction and turns the Flores case into one more skirmish with feminism.

His conclusion:  "Let‘s be real here, all feminism has done is give women a new place to kick back and take it easy while men ante up the blood, sweat and tears. And it leaves their supposedly lamented patriarchy safe and completely intact, ready to do their bidding in any way they want.

Same as it ever was."
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-analysis-Blaming-the-victims/k6Y6DwRS_k2elOEENwlSAA.cspx

I just read this and was going to post, Nut...         

[Northern Rose]

Verboom and High in the film about Joran

LONDON / ORANGE CITY - Starring Robert de Hoog and Hanna Verboom play the lead roles in a movie about Joran van der Sloot. This is director Paul Ruven published.

The English-speaking film Me & Mr. Jones tells the fictional story of an undercover journalist (The High) that five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is looking for her.

He hopes a breakthrough by Van der Sloot to break and then makes a shocking discovery. Verboom plays a woman who works with the undercover reporter.

Actor Robert de Hoog two years ago won a Golden Calf for his role in the film Skin and will soon also be seen in the Twilight-inspired truth. Hanna Verboom was one familiar with roles in series such as The Co-Assistant and boxing.

Sensitive
The film is between April and June in Aruba turned. Director Paul Ruven had no publicity given to the shooting of the film because the subject on the island, where Holloway disappeared in May 2005, sensitive.

During the filming, the 22-year-old Van der Sloot in the news again, this time because he is suspected of the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in Peru. This is three months since he set in the Peruvian Miguel Castro Castro prison in Lima. That case was handled in Me & Mr Jones said Ruven.

It is intended that the film will premiere in early 2011. (Reuters)

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1023/Film/article/detail/499832/2010/07/25/Verboom-en-De-Hoog-in-film-over-Joran.dhtml?sms_ss=twitter

[akmom]

There are days when I find it hard to believe there is decency in the world anymore.  Between people wanting their stupid words published so they can get their 15 minutes of fame and those that want to make money off of tragedy....

[Keepthefaith]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY/STEPHANY FLORES

HAVE A GREAT DAY & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

 

[texasmom]

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2010/July10/MB18/Moomba18%20(11).jpg

Sunday Nite @ Moomba Beach July 18

[Nut44x4]

Dig da eyebrows........

[Anna]

Good Afternoon, Monkeys,

TxMom and Magnolia, thanks for your thoughts on the article about the so-called investigation into Jan vd Straten.

That's one of those translations that will give you a headache just trying to read!



 

So it seems that even some of the Arubans know it was nothing but a joke?

But all concerns and desires for justice seem to be totally and only politically motivated.  This is discouraging.

[klaasend]

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-movie-being-shot-while-hes-arrested/bwOVYNaX7Ee3h9EF661tJw.cspx


Van der Sloot movie being shot while he's arrested in Peru

Last Update: 3:37 pm

From the movie "Me & Mr. Jones"


Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Sometimes life…and death… imitate art. And sometimes art imitates life and death. Whether a film being made about Joran van der Sloot is truly art no one knows yet. But the very existence of the movie shows truth is stranger than fiction.

When Joran van der Sloot catapulted back into the news with his arrest in Peru for the murder of 21 year old student Stephany Flores, a Dutch filmmaker was shooting a movie about van der Sloot and the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba.

According to the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, the film Me & Mr. Jones is being made by Dutch film maker Paul Ruven. It tells the fictional story of an undercover journalist trying to solve the Natalee Holloway case.

Holloway, a Mountain Brook High School grad disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with van der Sloot who, despite being questioned several times by Aruban authorities, has never been charged in connection to Natalee’s disappearance.

The Dutch national was indicted on wire fraud and extortion charges by a federal grand jury here in Birmingham last month. The FBI and U.S. Attorney’s office claim he took money from the Holloway family in exchange for information about Natalee’s fate, but never came through with any information. While the U.S. authorities where preparing their case after a sting-type meeting with van der Sloot, he went to South America where he is accused of killing Flores after meeting her at a poker tournament in Lima, Peru.

And while all of that was happening, Ruven was quietly shooting his movie in Aruba…apparently without publicity because of sensitivity on the island about the Holloway case and criticism of the handling of it by Aruban authorities.

The movie stars Dutch actors Robert de Hoog and Hanna Verboom and was shooting on Aruba from April through June. When the Flores murder controversy erupted in South America, it was apparently incorporated into the story line of the movie.   Ruven’s website says the film will be released early in 2011.

[loca]

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/albums/2010/July10/MB18/Moomba18%20(11).jpg

Sunday Nite @ Moomba Beach July 18

Ewww he has a head like Joran.

[texasmom]

http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1541667

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Friends from the American International School of Bucharest?

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http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Zeolla_Richard_-864250.aspx

Richard S Zeolla

Cairo Marriott Hotel & Omar Khayyam Casino
Local Address: Cairo, Egypt


Background for Richard Zeolla

Employment History
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino
Bucharest Marriott Grand Hotel
Warsaw Marriott Hotel
Marriott's Castle Harbor Resort
Frankfurt Marriott Hotel
Munich Marriott Hotel

Board Memberships and Affiliations
Board Member (Chairman 2009)
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino
Board Member (Aruba)
Caribbean Hotel Association
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Rotary
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Education
BBA , Accounting
University of Texas

[crazybabyborg]

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-movie-being-shot-while-hes-arrested/bwOVYNaX7Ee3h9EF661tJw.cspx


Van der Sloot movie being shot while he's arrested in Peru

Last Update: 3:37 pm

From the movie "Me & Mr. Jones"


Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Sometimes life…and death… imitate art. And sometimes art imitates life and death. Whether a film being made about Joran van der Sloot is truly art no one knows yet. But the very existence of the movie shows truth is stranger than fiction.

When Joran van der Sloot catapulted back into the news with his arrest in Peru for the murder of 21 year old student Stephany Flores, a Dutch filmmaker was shooting a movie about van der Sloot and the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba.

According to the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, the film Me & Mr. Jones is being made by Dutch film maker Paul Ruven. It tells the fictional story of an undercover journalist trying to solve the Natalee Holloway case.

Holloway, a Mountain Brook High School grad disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with van der Sloot who, despite being questioned several times by Aruban authorities, has never been charged in connection to Natalee’s disappearance.

The Dutch national was indicted on wire fraud and extortion charges by a federal grand jury here in Birmingham last month. The FBI and U.S. Attorney’s office claim he took money from the Holloway family in exchange for information about Natalee’s fate, but never came through with any information. While the U.S. authorities where preparing their case after a sting-type meeting with van der Sloot, he went to South America where he is accused of killing Flores after meeting her at a poker tournament in Lima, Peru.

And while all of that was happening, Ruven was quietly shooting his movie in Aruba…apparently without publicity because of sensitivity on the island about the Holloway case and criticism of the handling of it by Aruban authorities.

The movie stars Dutch actors Robert de Hoog and Hanna Verboom and was shooting on Aruba from April through June. When the Flores murder controversy erupted in South America, it was apparently incorporated into the story line of the movie.   Ruven’s website says the film will be released early in 2011.

Good! I hope that this movie highlights Aruba's culpability and that the whole world watches!!!

[crazybabyborg]

I am always amazed at the size of Van der Straten's head in comparison to other folks.

He has an enormous cranium.   

So does Joran.

Hmmmmmm................. I'm beginning to see a connection here. So does he: v




 

[texasmom]

 

[yuknomenot]

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-movie-being-shot-while-hes-arrested/bwOVYNaX7Ee3h9EF661tJw.cspx


Van der Sloot movie being shot while he's arrested in Peru

Last Update: 3:37 pm

From the movie "Me & Mr. Jones"


Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Sometimes life…and death… imitate art. And sometimes art imitates life and death. Whether a film being made about Joran van der Sloot is truly art no one knows yet. But the very existence of the movie shows truth is stranger than fiction.

When Joran van der Sloot catapulted back into the news with his arrest in Peru for the murder of 21 year old student Stephany Flores, a Dutch filmmaker was shooting a movie about van der Sloot and the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba.

According to the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, the film Me & Mr. Jones is being made by Dutch film maker Paul Ruven. It tells the fictional story of an undercover journalist trying to solve the Natalee Holloway case.

Holloway, a Mountain Brook High School grad disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with van der Sloot who, despite being questioned several times by Aruban authorities, has never been charged in connection to Natalee’s disappearance.

The Dutch national was indicted on wire fraud and extortion charges by a federal grand jury here in Birmingham last month. The FBI and U.S. Attorney’s office claim he took money from the Holloway family in exchange for information about Natalee’s fate, but never came through with any information. While the U.S. authorities where preparing their case after a sting-type meeting with van der Sloot, he went to South America where he is accused of killing Flores after meeting her at a poker tournament in Lima, Peru.

And while all of that was happening, Ruven was quietly shooting his movie in Aruba…apparently without publicity because of sensitivity on the island about the Holloway case and criticism of the handling of it by Aruban authorities.

The movie stars Dutch actors Robert de Hoog and Hanna Verboom and was shooting on Aruba from April through June. When the Flores murder controversy erupted in South America, it was apparently incorporated into the story line of the movie.   Ruven’s website says the film will be released early in 2011.

Surely this won't be sympathetic to him, the article doesn't really say one way or the other.  It hints that it won't be, but assumptions can't be made when it comes to anything dealing with Aruba.

[San]

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-movie-being-shot-while-hes-arrested/bwOVYNaX7Ee3h9EF661tJw.cspx


Van der Sloot movie being shot while he's arrested in Peru

Last Update: 3:37 pm

From the movie "Me & Mr. Jones"


Birmingham, Al (WIAT) Sometimes life…and death… imitate art. And sometimes art imitates life and death. Whether a film being made about Joran van der Sloot is truly art no one knows yet. But the very existence of the movie shows truth is stranger than fiction.

When Joran van der Sloot catapulted back into the news with his arrest in Peru for the murder of 21 year old student Stephany Flores, a Dutch filmmaker was shooting a movie about van der Sloot and the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba.

According to the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, the film Me & Mr. Jones is being made by Dutch film maker Paul Ruven. It tells the fictional story of an undercover journalist trying to solve the Natalee Holloway case.

Holloway, a Mountain Brook High School grad disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen with van der Sloot who, despite being questioned several times by Aruban authorities, has never been charged in connection to Natalee’s disappearance.

The Dutch national was indicted on wire fraud and extortion charges by a federal grand jury here in Birmingham last month. The FBI and U.S. Attorney’s office claim he took money from the Holloway family in exchange for information about Natalee’s fate, but never came through with any information. While the U.S. authorities where preparing their case after a sting-type meeting with van der Sloot, he went to South America where he is accused of killing Flores after meeting her at a poker tournament in Lima, Peru.

And while all of that was happening, Ruven was quietly shooting his movie in Aruba…apparently without publicity because of sensitivity on the island about the Holloway case and criticism of the handling of it by Aruban authorities.

The movie stars Dutch actors Robert de Hoog and Hanna Verboom and was shooting on Aruba from April through June. When the Flores murder controversy erupted in South America, it was apparently incorporated into the story line of the movie.   Ruven’s website says the film will be released early in 2011.

If they were allowed to shoot a movie in Aruba I would say that the movie is being sympathetic towards Aruba or they would not allow it to be filmed.  The movie will portray their police and political figures doing everything they could to help Natalee Holloway.

I am wondering if Joran found out about the filming of the movie and decided to give it his own ending.  Was Joran trying to get money from these people too. Coincidence?  You be the judge.  To be continued...

Nothing Aruba does is done quietly.  Undercover my ass.  Something is up.

Aruba's actions helped get Stephany Flores killed.

[Anna]

I have to agree with San on this movie.  Aruba would never allow it to be filmed unless it portrays them in glowing terms.

And remember the Dutch "re-enactment" that portrayed Joran as a tattooed very dark Latino--probably the member of the police academy that looked the LEAST like Joran?  Also portrayed Natalee as the loudest and most scantily dressed of the group and other biased inaccuracies.

They also portrayed the whole MB group as though they had never seen the beach or a swimming pool when in fact Alabama HAD one of the most beautiful beaches in the world until BP trashed it and lots of those kids have their own pools.

I sure hope that Renee Geilen is not involved in any way!  But I will believe something helpful coming out of Aruba when and only when I see it. 

I think it is just too darned bad Joran struck again during their filming and I do hope that really messed up their efforts because I just don't believe they were honorable.  Maybe since Joran has killed again, they willk have to adjust the tenor of their film now.  I hope so and that it is not as nasty as that re-enactment.  I totally saw red on that thing!

.

[yuknomenot]

San and Anna - that was my initial thought, too.  The article did say it was being filmed quietly which gave me a slight hope that the movie could end up actually telling some truth.  The timing of it is also strange, Uncle Jan very publicly back in town, others with new positions.