Natalee Case Discussion #843 7/14/10 - 7/31/10

[carpe noctem]

Blue Moon - Thanks, I'd love to take credit it for it... but I can't. It was on thedirty dot com.

I've been a very bad boy.

[texasmom]

Blue Moon - Thanks, I'd love to take credit it for it... but I can't. It was on thedirty dot com.

I've been a very bad boy.

 

That's quite alright Carpe!   

[klaasend]

Good morning Monkeys,
Did PLE release the sketch of the room were stephany was killed? Joran told to Chilean authorities that two guys were waiting for them in his room one of them was on his bed and the other one was in the bathroom and he block the entry door. I saw the videos  where the employee open the door and continue walking looking at his room (like he saw something bad)... I am asking because some people start talking about some kind of involment with stephany's father and the political mafia in Peru ex-president fujimori and vladimiro montesino.

The first people I saw talking about political mafia was at RU and it was Jenna.  That's why I say if you want to know which line of defense Joran's attorney is going to use next, go no further than Jenna2 at RU.

JORAN MURDERED NATALEE AND JORAN MURDERED STEPHANY.  How many others we don't know.

[wreck]

Good morning Monkeys,
Did PLE release the sketch of the room were stephany was killed? Joran told to Chilean authorities that two guys were waiting for them in his room one of them was on his bed and the other one was in the bathroom and he block the entry door. I saw the videos  where the employee open the door and continue walking looking at his room (like he saw something bad)... I am asking because some people start talking about some kind of involment with stephany's father and the political mafia in Peru ex-president fujimori and vladimiro montesino.

The first people I saw talking about political mafia was at RU and it was Jenna.  That's why I say if you want to know which line of defense Joran's attorney is going to use next, go no further than Jenna2 at RU.

JORAN MURDERED NATALEE AND JORAN MURDERED STEPHANY.  How many others we don't know.

AMEN!

[texasmom]

Relative?  Coincidence?  

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17/06/2010 GGNet Doetinchem - Symposium 'No panic'

Thursday, June 17, 2010, 14.00 - 17.30, Church Centre De Wingerd De Bongerd 4, 7006 NJ Doetinchem

On Thursday June 17 organizes GGNet region Doetinchem Section Short-term care, the symposium

"Do not Panic, Prevention and early intervention for mental illness'

Speakers include: Prof. Dr. P. Cuijpers (Free University), Professor. Dr. T. van Balkom (VU-MC and GGzinGeest), Dr. P. Meulen Beek (GGNet) and Dr. CA van Boeijen (GGNet). The symposium is intended to include general practitioners, psychologists, psychiatrists, other professionals in primary care and staff GGNet.
Dr. AC (Bert) Molewijk), ethicist / program manager Moral Reflection GGNet / VUmc will be leading the discussion and Drs JJM (Hans) Hugen, medical director, will provide the introduction.

Date: June 17, 2010
Time: 14.00 - 17.30
Place: The Religious Centre Wingerd, The Bongerd 4, 7006 NJ Doetinchem
Free parking - also with good public transport (± 200 meters walking distance from Station Doetinchem de Huet)

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From 13.30 hours, the Walk, the program starts at 14.00 hours.

Sign up and more information
Registration for the symposium through the Office of Professional training GGNet, e-mail: @ bureau.bijennascholing ggnet.nl. There is a maximum of 250 places available. The cost of the symposium is € 50 - (free for GGNet staff).

Accreditation is requested with the following associations:
• VGCt
• FGzP neuropsychologists
• FGzP clinical psychologists
• NVVP
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• Accreditation Board Cluster 1 (GPs)

Also visit the website www.cursusgeenpaniek.nl for information about the course 'Do not panic'.
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• Medical staff
Regional staff Zutphen / Warnsveld: Chairman Dorine Postma
Regional staff Achterhoek: President Hans Hugen
Regional staff Apeldoorn: President Nails and Sigrid Renate Hulshof
President Medical Staff GGNet: Nails and Sigrid Renate Hulshof
Secretary Medical Staff: Will Koster

• College of Medical Directors
Apeldoorn Region: Peter de Vries (wnd. Dell Otto Mann)
Doetinchem region: Hans Hugen (wnd. André van den Ende)
Region Brengwal: André van den Ende (wnd. Hans Hugen)
Zevenaar region, ad interim: André van den Ende (wnd. Hans Hugen)
Region Zutphen / Warnsveld: Dell Otto Mann (wnd. Peter de Vries)
CGD President: Kees Lemke
Secretariat CGD: Aline Korff
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Doetinchem proximity to Arnhem...

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The Department of Psychiatry since 2002 falls under GGNet Network (mental health). GGNet arose from a merger between institutions in the Achterhoek, Apeldoorn and Zutphen, including psychiatric wards (psychiatric) hospitals from April.

GGNet helps and supports people with mental, psychological or psychiatric problems. The Department of Psychiatry at the Hospital Slingeland consists of an outpatient clinic, day clinic and a clinic. GGNet, doetinchem location, situated in the regional health center (RGC).


The specialists

In GGNet employs six psychiatrists of whom four (extremely) are members of the medical staff of the Hospital Slingeland.

Psychiatrists Berbee, Ghent, Hugen and Keegstra do next inpatient and outpatient consultations in the hospital also work in other departments.

Mrs. HCM Berbee, psychiatrist (associate member medical staff)
Areas: depressive disorders, personality disorders, psychotherapy.
Dr. EM van Gent, neuropsychiatrist (associate member medical staff)
Areas: research, neuropsychiatry and affective disorders.
JJM Hugen, psychiatrist, medical director (medical staff associate members).
Areas: research and diagnosis of new patients, consultative and liaison psychiatry, psychiatric care in primary care, anxiety.
HJ Keegstra, psychiatrist (associate member medical staff)
Areas: first psychoses and affective disorders (particularly medical staff member).
BMJ Hogenboom, psychiatrist.
Areas: general psychiatry.
Mrs. A. Withaar, psychiatrist.
Areas: gender specific care.

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You can also register at the desk of Psychiatry outpatient clinic between 08.30 and 12.30 and between 13.15 hours and 17.00 hours. After registration you will be invited for an initial interview in writing to the complaints mapping. Any additional research is agreed. Then it is agreed what treatment you can follow and who is your therapist.

For any further appointments you make an appointment at the desk or by phone: (0314) 37 1967 1900 on weekdays between 08.30 hours and 12.30 hours and between 13.15 and 17.00 calls.

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Policlinic

At the first visit to the outpatient clinic of Psychiatry GGNet please bring your referral. To log in before you sits in the waiting, the first secretary. Specifies the referral from your doctor away. The specialist will pick you up from the waiting area.

Investigate

If you see reason to specialist, will place further investigation.
These may include:

Laboratory examination of blood
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Details and explanations about these surveys you receive both orally and in writing. For many studies (in particular X-ray) must be a separate appointment. You can use the secretary's right, you this is helpful. X-ray examinations will be held at the Department of Radiology .

Exploring your blood is often done to determine proper dosage of medication and sometimes the side effects of medications to determine.

Psychological research is done by a psychologist .

Training

There are doctors in training (HAIO's) of the Radboud University of Nijmegen attended the outpatient Psychiatry and the nursing department. These are qualified doctors under the supervision and responsibility of psychiatrists working in the hospital.

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4.3.1. The appellant brought in medical information forms for the Council do not raise to the set of assurance by the (mental) capacity. The Council notes in this regard that in the expert report indicating that it is not possible is a clear psychiatric diagnosis, but that probably there is an appellant adjustment disorder without severe restrictions. For a clear diagnosis should have a thorough and extensive investigation by a hospitalization or intensive home monitoring to take place. Appellant is then required to include in the Slingeland hospital, but decided the same night back home. The time treating psychiatrist JJM Hugen has indicated that the appellant several times during the day treatment did not show up, so a good observation and diagnosis does not occur. The drafting of assurance at the FML the survey as a basis and restrictions on the personal and social functioning adopted.

[Northern Rose]

Van der Sloot denounce expulsion to Chile

Defense says Dutchman was handed over to Peruvian authorities irregularly. They also reported a public defender and translator who supported confession. Dutchman's defense CompartirEnviar.La Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, made clear that it will exhaust all strategies to release from confinement. Yesterday it was confirmed that foreign lawyers would have planned criminal-defense as part of "Bury the Chilean government had handed over to Peru to the Netherlands on 3 June. The lawyers regarded the decision to expel Van der Sloot of its territory as arbitrary and illegal.
Highness Max Navarro, who is part of the group of foreign lawyers, said the Dutchman lawyer Bert de Rooij, who heads the advisory group, and another supporter of Van der Sloot accuse the government of the neighboring country for having "unlawfully expelled from their sponsored rather than extradite him. "

HH reported that De Rooij was in Peru last week to coordinate strategy with him to follow in the judicial process. Then he traveled to Chile to get information about the process that followed the authorities of that country before handing over Van der Sloot to the Peruvian police.

MORE CLAIMS. On the other hand, Highness officially to the prosecutor's misrepresentation complaint against his colleague and translator Marina Romero Dutchman Maurice Steins.

According to counsel, neither was officially accredited to participate in the interrogation of Van der Sloot.

Highness said that Romero is not registered with the Ministry of Justice as a lawyer by trade. It also announced that the Netherlands embassy has denied that the interpreter was Maurice Steins official translator of the government.

"Joran felt threatened. Police said he would introduce his head in a bucket of water. But, if he signed such a declaration accepting the murderer, he would be deported immediately to Aruba, "he added.

The defense said the Dutchman will insist on seeking the annulment of his confession.

http://peru21.pe/impresa/noticia/van-der-sloot-denunciara-chile-expulsarlo/2010-07-18/280278

[wreck]

Van der Sloot denounce expulsion to Chile

Defense says Dutchman was handed over to Peruvian authorities irregularly. They also reported a public defender and translator who supported confession. Dutchman's defense CompartirEnviar.La Joran van der Sloot, the confessed murderer of the young Peruvian Stephany Flores, made clear that it will exhaust all strategies to release from confinement. Yesterday it was confirmed that foreign lawyers would have planned criminal-defense as part of "Bury the Chilean government had handed over to Peru to the Netherlands on 3 June. The lawyers regarded the decision to expel Van der Sloot of its territory as arbitrary and illegal.
Highness Max Navarro, who is part of the group of foreign lawyers, said the Dutchman lawyer Bert de Rooij, who heads the advisory group, and another supporter of Van der Sloot accuse the government of the neighboring country for having "unlawfully expelled from their sponsored rather than extradite him. "

HH reported that De Rooij was in Peru last week to coordinate strategy with him to follow in the judicial process. Then he traveled to Chile to get information about the process that followed the authorities of that country before handing over Van der Sloot to the Peruvian police.

MORE CLAIMS. On the other hand, Highness officially to the prosecutor's misrepresentation complaint against his colleague and translator Marina Romero Dutchman Maurice Steins.

According to counsel, neither was officially accredited to participate in the interrogation of Van der Sloot.

Highness said that Romero is not registered with the Ministry of Justice as a lawyer by trade. It also announced that the Netherlands embassy has denied that the interpreter was Maurice Steins official translator of the government.

"Joran felt threatened. Police said he would introduce his head in a bucket of water. But, if he signed such a declaration accepting the murderer, he would be deported immediately to Aruba, "he added.

The defense said the Dutchman will insist on seeking the annulment of his confession.

http://peru21.pe/impresa/noticia/van-der-sloot-denunciara-chile-expulsarlo/2010-07-18/280278

Legal confession or not (I think it WAS legal) -- the Prosecution DOESN'T NEED his confession to convict him. 

[texasmom]

Joran has been setting up the defense for all his crimes for a very long time now.

His mental illness would prevent him from being (properly) punished for all his crimes, so why not extort money from the grieving mother of one of his victims?  Murdering another girl on the anniversary of that crime would just prove to everyone how sick he really is!

And his mother is playing along perfectly.  Maybe she should have been an actress, although her performances so far haven't been convincing in the least to those of us who KNOW better; she certainly isn't an artist.   

They make me sick and they'd better not get away with it!   

JMO

[NFLer]

ATTENTION!
ATTENTION!
Aruban authorities failed to charge him is the disappearance of 18-year-old Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway. Although arrested twice, Van Der Sloot was released both times due to lack of evidence.

We need to start correcting the media when they write Joran was not charged because of "lack of evidence" with Natalee.

The media should be writing: "because no body was found".  In Aruba, no body equals no case.

Greetings all!

[yuknomenot]

Was this after or before she was a hooker? 

I am way behind, as usual, but wouldn't it be something if it turns out Joran was involved in his human trafficking with Anita instead of Paulus   .

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Was this after or before she was a hooker? 

I am way behind, as usual, but wouldn't it be something if it turns out Joran was involved in his human trafficking with Anita instead of Paulus   .

  HUH??   Anita a hooker?  

Been TRYING to play catch up the last few days.. here and poor little Kyrons thread..  

Funny to see Sebastian VDS reads this forum.  The dude he posted to,., isnt he the one who told this little boy about getting a BJ???  OR something like that?

I am not gonna pick on the little one... IMO he cant help it his brother is a big peice of shit.. I have seen his videos on youtube long ago and thought they were OFF THE WALL.. SEBAS> I sure hope you DO NOT follow in your older brothers footsteps. IMO the ONLY one to seem like he has a DECENT head on his shoulders is your brother VAL.   IMO !  
   Sebas. Videos are not up anymore.. havn't been .. least the ones I have viewed long ago.  
  Too the little.. youngest Vandersloot.. is there ANYTHING you know or have heard about Nats case over the last 5 years?  Were you the one your older brother beat the living shit out of??

JOIN SM.. talk to us ~!!  

<I better not get flamed.. I am trying to be nice..lol>

[Tylergal]

What is the name of the tourism website on which Natalee's disappearance was first posted and who was the lady who posted there, and was it not ArubaGirl who was, at that point in time, playing defense for Aruba on the tourism website.

[Tylergal]

Was this after or before she was a hooker? 

I am way behind, as usual, but wouldn't it be something if it turns out Joran was involved in his human trafficking with Anita instead of Paulus   .

  HUH??   Anita a hooker?  

Been TRYING to play catch up the last few days.. here and poor little Kyrons thread..  

Funny to see Sebastian VDS reads this forum.  The dude he posted to,., isnt he the one who told this little boy about getting a BJ???  OR something like that?

I am not gonna pick on the little one... IMO he cant help it his brother is a big peice of shit.. I have seen his videos on youtube long ago and thought they were OFF THE WALL.. SEBAS> I sure hope you DO NOT follow in your older brothers footsteps. IMO the ONLY one to seem like he has a DECENT head on his shoulders is your brother VAL.   IMO !  
   Sebas. Videos are not up anymore.. havn't been .. least the ones I have viewed long ago.  
  Too the little.. youngest Vandersloot.. is there ANYTHING you know or have heard about Nats case over the last 5 years?  Were you the one your older brother beat the living shit out of??

JOIN SM.. talk to us ~!!  

<I better not get flamed.. I am trying to be nice..lol>

Angie, you are being nice.

[Tylergal]

Anna, I thought Rudy looked pretty Irish and guessed that he arrived in Aruba via the NL, but was told he is Aruban.  I agree with the fuzzy red beard being strange, but then I was told by my Mexican orthopod that I looked like a high-class Mexican blond.   Go figure.

[klaasend]

ATTENTION!
ATTENTION!
Aruban authorities failed to charge him is the disappearance of 18-year-old Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway. Although arrested twice, Van Der Sloot was released both times due to lack of evidence.

We need to start correcting the media when they write Joran was not charged because of "lack of evidence" with Natalee.

The media should be writing: "because no body was found".  In Aruba, no body equals no case.

Greetings all!

Welcome NFler!

[San]

ATTENTION!
ATTENTION!
Aruban authorities failed to charge him is the disappearance of 18-year-old Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway. Although arrested twice, Van Der Sloot was released both times due to lack of evidence.

We need to start correcting the media when they write Joran was not charged because of "lack of evidence" with Natalee.

The media should be writing: "because no body was found".  In Aruba, no body equals no case.

Greetings all!

Welcome NFLer.

[2NJSons_Mom]

ATTENTION!
ATTENTION!
Aruban authorities failed to charge him is the disappearance of 18-year-old Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway. Although arrested twice, Van Der Sloot was released both times due to lack of evidence.

We need to start correcting the media when they write Joran was not charged because of "lack of evidence" with Natalee.

The media should be writing: "because no body was found".  In Aruba, no body equals no case.

Greetings all!

Welcome, NFLer! 

Note:  We know you posted sometime within the hour, although it says you posted early tomorrow morning.      New server transition going on here.

[Buckeye]

Joran has been setting up the defense for all his crimes for a very long time now.

His mental illness would prevent him from being (properly) punished for all his crimes, so why not extort money from the grieving mother of one of his victims?  Murdering another girl on the anniversary of that crime would just prove to everyone how sick he really is!

And his mother is playing along perfectly.  Maybe she should have been an actress, although her performances so far haven't been convincing in the least to those of us who KNOW better; she certainly isn't an artist.   

They make me sick and they'd better not get away with it!   

JMO

Taking the Money and Running

A few days after the February 2008 broadcast of the hidden-camera video of van der Sloot's latest version of Holloway's disappearance, van der Sloot reportedly checked into a mental health facility in Germany for a few days' evaluation. However, he did not remain long enough for any kind of treatment. His stay there was seen by some as a ruse to make it seem that he was mentally ill when in fact he was perfectly in control of his acts.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/joran_van_der_sloot/6.html

[texasmom]

Was this after or before she was a hooker? 

I am way behind, as usual, but wouldn't it be something if it turns out Joran was involved in his human trafficking with Anita instead of Paulus   .

  HUH??   Anita a hooker?  

Been TRYING to play catch up the last few days.. here and poor little Kyrons thread..  

Funny to see Sebastian VDS reads this forum.  The dude he posted to,., isnt he the one who told this little boy about getting a BJ???  OR something like that?

I am not gonna pick on the little one... IMO he cant help it his brother is a big peice of shit.. I have seen his videos on youtube long ago and thought they were OFF THE WALL.. SEBAS> I sure hope you DO NOT follow in your older brothers footsteps. IMO the ONLY one to seem like he has a DECENT head on his shoulders is your brother VAL.   IMO !  
   Sebas. Videos are not up anymore.. havn't been .. least the ones I have viewed long ago.  
  Too the little.. youngest Vandersloot.. is there ANYTHING you know or have heard about Nats case over the last 5 years?  Were you the one your older brother beat the living shit out of??

JOIN SM.. talk to us ~!!  

<I better not get flamed.. I am trying to be nice..lol>

I agree Val SEEMS to be different, but I'm not so sure he is.  I think he may just hide it better.

JMO



Even though this and other pics like it were all part of just goofing off, the pics are creepy and Val put the pics in an album on his FB page.  Natalie van Hamburg is a long time friend and one time girlfriend of Val and you see what her comment was.  Just sayin'.

[texasmom]

Joran has been setting up the defense for all his crimes for a very long time now.

His mental illness would prevent him from being (properly) punished for all his crimes, so why not extort money from the grieving mother of one of his victims?  Murdering another girl on the anniversary of that crime would just prove to everyone how sick he really is!

And his mother is playing along perfectly.  Maybe she should have been an actress, although her performances so far haven't been convincing in the least to those of us who KNOW better; she certainly isn't an artist.   

They make me sick and they'd better not get away with it!   

JMO

Taking the Money and Running

A few days after the February 2008 broadcast of the hidden-camera video of van der Sloot's latest version of Holloway's disappearance, van der Sloot reportedly checked into a mental health facility in Germany for a few days' evaluation. However, he did not remain long enough for any kind of treatment. His stay there was seen by some as a ruse to make it seem that he was mentally ill when in fact he was perfectly in control of his acts.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/joran_van_der_sloot/6.html

Exactly!  Thanks Buckeye!