Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #2 6/30/10 - 7/5/10

[seahorse]

http://twitter.com/clubSesso

I would just be unconsoleable giggling at this stuff.

[ozziesmom]

Good Morning all and Happy 4th of July weekend!  The interview with LE was pretty lengthy but I did get a few things from it.
1. They are saying it is an isolated case because it is not a serial related incident.
2. They did not dispel any of the rumors IE; Teri's cell pings,or Kaine at the bus stop etc.
3. They are going to look at tightening up  the school's security and the way they worked the case with their post discovery investigation (which is standard practice).
4. Tips are still coming in and they have spent a lot of money trying to find Kyron. Children are priceless in my view and I say I am glad that this money has been spent searching for Kyron.

I have to say this must be frustrating to all parties.

 Where is Kyron? With all of this energy and time yet he has not been found. I feel like we are running in circles likes a dog chasing his tail bringing up the same already known information over and over. We have nothing new. Just the same timeframe of 8:15 TO 8:45, AND SPECULATIONS FROM UNNAMED SOURCES.
 I am hopeful for Mr. Oaks and wish a family member would help him.  Great theories on this board, Dennie... yikes! Very good theory but scary! I still wonder why Terri has no one to substantiate where she was after 8:45 a.m. until 1:00p.m.  I am not saying she is guilty but again how would having someone say I saw Terri at the gym at 10:00, or I saw Terri at the store at 9:30, or the babysitter saying she picked her daughter up at 12:00 and she looked fine impede the investigation? If something happened that a.m. and Terri was involved it would show in her demeanor. Maybe now that she has a lawyer these things can come out.

Great points! someone saw someone in this family that day AFTER 8:45 and BEFORE 3:30....WHO?????
Who was watching the baby when Terri was at school with Kyron if Kaine went to work in the morning like he said? What time did he come home from work? Was he at work at all? Where are his co workers commets? anyone? What car did he drive to work (if he went) either I'm not reading correct;y or thess questions have not been answered....

[newfie]

Yes Ozzie and Kaines where abouts as well. I again ask why would this impede the investigation?  I also want to apologize for spelling Mr. OAKES name wrong, I have been spelling it Oaks.

Good Morning all and Happy 4th of July weekend!  The interview with LE was pretty lengthy but I did get a few things from it.
1. They are saying it is an isolated case because it is not a serial related incident.
2. They did not dispel any of the rumors IE; Teri's cell pings,or Kaine at the bus stop etc.
3. They are going to look at tightening up  the school's security and the way they worked the case with their post discovery investigation (which is standard practice).
4. Tips are still coming in and they have spent a lot of money trying to find Kyron. Children are priceless in my view and I say I am glad that this money has been spent searching for Kyron.

I have to say this must be frustrating to all parties.

 Where is Kyron? With all of this energy and time yet he has not been found. I feel like we are running in circles likes a dog chasing his tail bringing up the same already known information over and over. We have nothing new. Just the same timeframe of 8:15 TO 8:45, AND SPECULATIONS FROM UNNAMED SOURCES.
 I am hopeful for Mr. Oaks and wish a family member would help him.  Great theories on this board, Dennie... yikes! Very good theory but scary! I still wonder why Terri has no one to substantiate where she was after 8:45 a.m. until 1:00p.m.  I am not saying she is guilty but again how would having someone say I saw Terri at the gym at 10:00, or I saw Terri at the store at 9:30, or the babysitter saying she picked her daughter up at 12:00 and she looked fine impede the investigation? If something happened that a.m. and Terri was involved it would show in her demeanor. Maybe now that she has a lawyer these things can come out.

Great points! someone saw someone in this family that day AFTER 8:45 and BEFORE 3:30....WHO?????
Who was watching the baby when Terri was at school with Kyron if Kaine went to work in the morning like he said? What time did he come home from work? Was he at work at all? Where are his co workers commets? anyone? What car did he drive to work (if he went) either I'm not reading correct;y or thess questions have not been answered....

[no rose colored glasses]

Thank-you Blonde.  The only lifestyle that I can come up with that would take a seven year old boy is a child porn ring. Is that what people are maybe thinking, that Kyron's parents were involved in something like that? If someone could please explain what other kind of lifestyle I would appreciate it. Can't seem to come up with anything else that would take a child.

Hi no rose.

Are you up to a brisk walk to Tim Hortons for a coffee/tea and an "old fashion plain" for dunking?

The alternate lifestyle of the Hormans?  Is this speculation?

Janet

Always LOL  I am guessing it is speculation, I have not seen any article suggesting this.

[no rose colored glasses]

Google Jeremy's Club Sesso and it is educational.  I just wonder if SM and Poop head have videos out of
theirselves?  This idea of mine would be the logical answer why he would not want the newsy papers to cover him
or uncover him.

I did, and I got quite a lesson  LOL

[cw618]

sheriff dan mentions info gathered and videos at 6;57-58 in the presser
im guessing from phones, vid cams ect. wonder how many times kyron
was  on those vids and or pics, seems you could do a rough time sequence
as to where he was at in the building, thats if kyron was caught on any
of the vids sheriff dan mentions. just trying to think of ways to narrow
down the time of last seen

http://www.katu.com/home/video/97705739.html

[no rose colored glasses]

sheriff dan mentions info gathered and videos at 6;57-58 in the presser
im guessing from phones, vid cams ect. wonder how many times kyron
was  on those vids and or pics, seems you could do a rough time sequence
as to where he was at in the building, thats if kyron was caught on any
of the vids sheriff dan mentions. just trying to think of ways to narrow
down the time of last seen

http://www.katu.com/home/video/97705739.html

Thank-you, could be from traffic cams if they have them there? I'm just not understanding who would possibly be holding onto Kyron, would there not be a ransom note? Maybe there is and LE is just not saying.

[Wyks]

In my above post what I wrote was theoretical.  But I do feel a bond with Harry Oakes in that his first SAR job was in 1986 when the Oregon Episcopal School hikers met tragedy up on Mt Hood.  I think he was still with LE then, but he and his dogs found several students {7 I believe} and 2 adults.  OES {St Helen's Hall} was my HS alma mater, so of course I appreciate what he did.  xox

It upsets me that they referred to Mr. Oakes as an amateur on that ABC segment that was posted!

Me too.   

[no rose colored glasses]

Could Terri have brought Kyron to someone's house to protect him. Maybe from some abuse in the home or something where she felt he needed to be taken away from? I'm just at a loss, and would have no idea, you would think if that were the case she would do it another way, but maybe she was afraid? Just grasping at different scenarios.

[cw618]

Thank-you, could be from traffic cams if they have them there? I'm just not understanding who would possibly be holding onto Kyron, would there not be a ransom note? Maybe there is and LE is just not saying.

i asked a pg or 2 back about if LE keeps kidnappings under wraps
hinVA mention the eyeglasses sent, that got me to thinking about
kidnapped, if kyron was kidnapped, the napper would have to been
mistaking in the amount of $$ kaine has, 90k a yr not much when
your buying a 300k house and new cars ect, so prob not kidnapped
back to square one

[Miki Monkey]

Asking everyone who wishes to answer. Lets say there was a witness which saw Terri leave the building (and this person was older then and we no longer suspected Terri, who would be on the top of your list and how would they have gotten Kyron out of the building.

The father to me seems to have a desperate need to implicate his wife, I don't know why. He refuses offers to search for his son, cherry picks those he will allow at a presser and doesn't allow his computer to be part of a search, seriously who does that? I wonder what police agency would allow him to refuse a search of such an important piece of evidence.  His wife has done much less yet she has been vilified by everyone, basically she took Kyron to school where there were witnesses who saw them and the he vanished.
Their lifestyles don't interest me as much as the fathers channeling suspicion against his wife. No doubt she could be involved but so could he or any person at the school. Maybe it's a crime of opportunity but I don't think we know enough to point a finger at the stepmom, until now from what I have read she cared more about Kyron that anyone.

[no rose colored glasses]

Thank-you, could be from traffic cams if they have them there? I'm just not understanding who would possibly be holding onto Kyron, would there not be a ransom note? Maybe there is and LE is just not saying.

i asked a pg or 2 back about if LE keeps kidnappings under wraps
hinVA mention the eyeglasses sent, that got me to thinking about
kidnapped, if kyron was kidnapped, the napper would have to been
mistaking in the amount of $$ kaine has, 90k a yr not much when
your buying a 300k house and new cars ect, so prob not kidnapped
back to square one

I agree, just trying to make sense of this. IMO I still think Terri snapped, but with all these other thoughts, now I'm not too sure what I think.

[cw618]

link to where the traffic cams are in portland live click on cam
http://www.tripcheck.com/Pages/RCMap.asp?mainNav=RoadConditions&curRegion=14

[ozziesmom]

Yes Ozzie and Kaines where abouts as well. I again ask why would this impede the investigation?  I also want to apologize for spelling Mr. OAKES name wrong, I have been spelling it Oaks.

Good Morning all and Happy 4th of July weekend!  The interview with LE was pretty lengthy but I did get a few things from it.
1. They are saying it is an isolated case because it is not a serial related incident.
2. They did not dispel any of the rumors IE; Teri's cell pings,or Kaine at the bus stop etc.
3. They are going to look at tightening up  the school's security and the way they worked the case with their post discovery investigation (which is standard practice).
4. Tips are still coming in and they have spent a lot of money trying to find Kyron. Children are priceless in my view and I say I am glad that this money has been spent searching for Kyron.

I have to say this must be frustrating to all parties.

 Where is Kyron? With all of this energy and time yet he has not been found. I feel like we are running in circles likes a dog chasing his tail bringing up the same already known information over and over. We have nothing new. Just the same timeframe of 8:15 TO 8:45, AND SPECULATIONS FROM UNNAMED SOURCES.
 I am hopeful for Mr. Oaks and wish a family member would help him.  Great theories on this board, Dennie... yikes! Very good theory but scary! I still wonder why Terri has no one to substantiate where she was after 8:45 a.m. until 1:00p.m.  I am not saying she is guilty but again how would having someone say I saw Terri at the gym at 10:00, or I saw Terri at the store at 9:30, or the babysitter saying she picked her daughter up at 12:00 and she looked fine impede the investigation? If something happened that a.m. and Terri was involved it would show in her demeanor. Maybe now that she has a lawyer these things can come out.

Great points! someone saw someone in this family that day AFTER 8:45 and BEFORE 3:30....WHO?????
Who was watching the baby when Terri was at school with Kyron if Kaine went to work in the morning like he said? What time did he come home from work? Was he at work at all? Where are his co workers commets? anyone? What car did he drive to work (if he went) either I'm not reading correct;y or thess questions have not been answered....

I been spelling in wrong too sorry!

Happy 4th everyone...Praying for Kyron's safe return.....

[cw618]

http://www.tripcheck.com/popups/liveCam.asp?videoID=7815

US-30 @ St. Johns Bridge
is this the bridge that was being discussed b4

[Rob]

I'm of the personal opinion that the police need to release every morsel of info they have. This is a criminal investigation, but finding the missing child should be paramount.

In Lindsay Baum's case the police held onto a video for God only knows how long then released it 11 months later. In Jenn Kesse's case the police held onto a video of someone exiting her car for 18 months before releasing it. Both cases stalled. In Jenn's case the police have stated they have no more leads. Does anyone want that to happen here? I don't think so.

Often in these case - and I mean when they stretch on more than a month - the police end up with no child, no body and no criminal convictions. That's why I say release everything now. Release it while everyone has their attention turned to this case and the next big case doesn't overshadow this one. Release it now while memories are fresh. Remember - memories fade, people die and unfortunately people move on to other interests.

Standard operating procedures for missing persons suck, and they suck royally. Finding the missing person should be of the utmost importance - everything else is icing on the cake.

I would really hate to see this case 12 months down the road and the police saying - we should have done this and we should have done that - and well, we don't know what happened. That would be a tuff nut to swallow.

all just my opinion.

[Rob]

Asking everyone who wishes to answer. Lets say there was a witness which saw Terri leave the building (and this person was older then and we no longer suspected Terri, who would be on the top of your list and how would they have gotten Kyron out of the building.

The father to me seems to have a desperate need to implicate his wife, I don't know why. He refuses offers to search for his son, cherry picks those he will allow at a presser and doesn't allow his computer to be part of a search, seriously who does that? I wonder what police agency would allow him to refuse a search of such an important piece of evidence.  His wife has done much less yet she has been vilified by everyone, basically she took Kyron to school where there were witnesses who saw them and the he vanished.
Their lifestyles don't interest me as much as the fathers channeling suspicion against his wife. No doubt she could be involved but so could he or any person at the school. Maybe it's a crime of opportunity but I don't think we know enough to point a finger at the stepmom, until now from what I have read she cared more about Kyron that anyone.

I agree Miki Monkey - specially about the part where she seems(ed) to care the most for Kyron.

[Peace]

I'm of the personal opinion that the police need to release every morsel of info they have. This is a criminal investigation, but finding the missing child should be paramount.

In Lindsay Baum's case the police held onto a video for God only knows how long then released it 11 months later. In Jenn Kesse's case the police held onto a video of someone exiting her car for 18 months before releasing it. Both cases stalled. In Jenn's case the police have stated they have no more leads. Does anyone want that to happen here? I don't think so.

Often in these case - and I mean when they stretch on more than a month - the police end up with no child, no body and no criminal convictions. That's why I say release everything now. Release it while everyone has their attention turned to this case and the next big case doesn't overshadow this one. Release it now while memories are fresh. Remember - memories fade, people die and unfortunately people move on to other interests.

Standard operating procedures for missing persons suck, and they suck royally. Finding the missing person should be of the utmost importance - everything else is icing on the cake.

I would really hate to see this case 12 months down the road and the police saying - we should have done this and we should have done that - and well, we don't know what happened. That would be a tuff nut to swallow.

all just my opinion.

I agree, but one of my professors said they withhold info often because they do not want the public to panic. If there is a nefarious group that they can't catch, if there is a serial killer they haven't caught, the public scrutiny and fear they believe will be counter-productive. Dunno if this is the case, just what one professor told me.

[Rob]

another point I have been thinking about. Seems to me that the police in alot on these type cases think they will take the "last known" person to have seen the missing person and rap their knuckles with a hammer and the case is magically solved. That's not really how these cases work.

The public and NOT the media often brings in that tip that solves a case.

I have a feeling that the police are trying to spare someone - probably Terri - some public embarrassment. Personally I don't care what she was doing as long as it wasn't involved with missing Kyron and I think alot of people feel the same way. And sealing this RO makes no sense unless it's the height of embarrassment.

The public DOES have a right to know what the heck is going on here.

Lastly, about this being an isolated incident - yeah ok sure, prove it to me. Morgan Harrington investigators said the same thing - now that suspect is related to two more alleged crimes. When the police say the community has nothing to fear - who the heck do they think they are? You have a missing child and no suspects, no person of interest and no one has been arrested. I'd lock my doors a lil tight thank you very much. Who knows if this is the beginning of a pattern or not and from what I have seen the police can't make that determination either.

[Peace]

Simply due to the FBI getting involved so early and involving the National Guard, I do lean to nefarious group more than one guilty step-mom. I wonder if Portland reported Kyrons incident to NIBRS the night Kyron went missing, and the incident raised a red flag to FBI rather than their being invited.