Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #2 6/30/10 - 7/5/10

[Brandi]

Comment 13 on Blink's site under the article about the landscaper. She makes a comment about, landscaper is also a hardscaper. Could someone tell me what a hardscaper means, thanks.

Hardscape, in the practice of landscaping, refers to the paved areas like streets & sidewalks, large business complexes & housing developments, and other industrial areas where the upper-soil-profile is no longer exposed to the actual surface of the Earth. The term is especially used in heavily urbanized/suburbanized areas with little bare soil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardscape

One thing a landscaper/hardscaper would do, that may be little known to folks in areas not as moist as the pacific NW... is scrape the sidewalks/driveways of any moss.  In such rainy areas, moss grows between the cracks and on the surface.  And that moss can get as slippery as an ice patch. 

I didn't realize about how dangerous moss can be, growing on say, a steep driveway.  Not til I lived near Seattle for a year.  Our landscaper spent a good portion of his day scraping sidewalks so we wouldn't fall while walking, and the long steep winding driveway, so we wouldn't slide backwards from the house 1/2 mile to the street.  lol  yikes! 

Just another job a landscaper/hardscaper would likely be doing in Nov/Dec/Jan.   

Thank-you, but what I don't understand is what does it matter if he does hardscraping also? What would that have to do with, if he for example kidnapped Kyron? I'm missing something here.

Hate to say this, but I think what is being referred to here is the ability to bury a body beneath a patio or other hardscaping.

[cw618]

Thank-you, but what I don't understand is what does it matter if he does hardscraping also? What would that have to do with, if he for example kidnapped Kyron? I'm missing something here.

i think i read some pgs back that he was hired in winter
and monks were wondering what a LS does in the winter
ive been looking in the portland Ypgs, for a LS that specializes
in that type of work nothing yet

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks Brandi, I wasn't thinking about that.

[trimmonthelake]

Today Show

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/38095397#38095397?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Thanks!

[Tamikosmom]

I am not condoning or justifying but ... maybe Terri's faulty thought process was that a divorce was not an option ... it would expose Kaine's son to ongoing abuse.

Maybe James revealed something to Terri regarding Kaine.  James being sent to live with his grandparents and the alleged attempt to have Kaine killed appears to have happened in the same time frame.

Think about it.  Testimonials and photos reveal that Terri was a devoted hands-on  stepmother to Kyron.

The latest turn of events does give me a glimmer of hope that Kyron is safe.  His mother implied in her press statement that Kyron was alive and ... the Sheriff implied likewise in the latest press conference.

Has Terri indicated that Kyron has been hidden for his protection?

Janet

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Sheriff: Terri Horman has been cooperating
Last Update: 7/03 3:07 pm

Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton

Staton told reporters the investigation is proceeding on the assumption the boy is alive because there's no evidence to the contrary.

“We have no evidence that indicates that anything other than the fact that Kyron Horman is still alive,” Staton said. “We are going to continue this investigation under that premise.” ....

Desiree Young

Kyron Horman's mother made a brief statement Thrusday afternoon. Here is a complete transcript of what she said:

"Kyron is still alive.

We would like all of you- everyone- to continually get his face out there. To continue looking for him in your day-to-day activities.

We pray each day for Kyron.

We are…We are working with investigators daily to bring Kyron home. We are extremely confident in how the investigation is going to bring him home to us.

We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with the investigators to bring Kyron home.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Sheriff-Terri-Horman-has-been-cooperating/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

[Titch]

Comment 13 on Blink's site under the article about the landscaper. She makes a comment about, landscaper is also a hardscaper. Could someone tell me what a hardscaper means, thanks.

Hardscape, in the practice of landscaping, refers to the paved areas like streets & sidewalks, large business complexes & housing developments, and other industrial areas where the upper-soil-profile is no longer exposed to the actual surface of the Earth. The term is especially used in heavily urbanized/suburbanized areas with little bare soil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardscape

One thing a landscaper/hardscaper would do, that may be little known to folks in areas not as moist as the pacific NW... is scrape the sidewalks/driveways of any moss.  In such rainy areas, moss grows between the cracks and on the surface.  And that moss can get as slippery as an ice patch. 

I didn't realize about how dangerous moss can be, growing on say, a steep driveway.  Not til I lived near Seattle for a year.  Our landscaper spent a good portion of his day scraping sidewalks so we wouldn't fall while walking, and the long steep winding driveway, so we wouldn't slide backwards from the house 1/2 mile to the street.  lol  yikes! 

Just another job a landscaper/hardscaper would likely be doing in Nov/Dec/Jan.   

Thank-you, but what I don't understand is what does it matter if he does hardscraping also? What would that have to do with, if he for example kidnapped Kyron? I'm missing something here.

I don't mean to butt in & I may be wrong...but...a hardscaper may know how to work on "steep ledges", "hills"...as well as knowing how to deal with rocks, pebbles, cement, etc. IOW, they're experienced in more extreme landscaping. Some people in Malibu whose backyards are cliffs may use a hardscaper, although they may apply a different term for the meaning "hardscaper".

[seahorse]

Commonly Requested Information
 
DOC Frequently Asked Questions

Visiting Rule:  OAR Div 127 Visiting (Inmate)

Mail Rule:  OAR Div 131 Mail (Inmate)

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TRCI is designated as an education/work facility for long-term inmates. The focus of its programs is Adult Basic Education and GEDs. Cognitive programs that teach and encourage self change are also available. Inside work activities include institution maintenance and a commercial laundry.

The prison provides minimum-custody inmate work crews for community service projects. It also sends crews out daily for other work projects, under contract primarily to government agencies. Inmate crews also work on landscaping projects on prison property.The prison provides minimum-custody inmate work crews for community service projects. It also sends crews out daily for other work projects, under contract primarily to government agencies. Inmate crews also work on landscaping projects on prison property.

http://www.oregon.gov/DOC/OPS/PRISON/trci.shtml


Wonder if he was an ex-con? 

That is something I have been wondering too.

If he didn't take the contract, is an ex con, could he have referred Terri to someone else?

Could that person have kidnapped Kyron instead of murdering Kaine...thinking if she had money to pay for a hit on Kaine..she'd have money to pay for a ransom?

Hi Gypsy DD,

He may have referred her or simply took the job himself. Why did she approach SL out of the blue?  I would go with Ex-Con, no gut feeling, just logical to me:)

[Tamikosmom]

Terri Horman has retained an attorney but ... so has Kaine Horman.  Could Terri have revealed something regarding what motivated him her to disappear Kyron?

Janet

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‘Irreconcilable differences’ cited in Horman marriage breakdown
Jun 29, 2010

Meanwhile, Kaine’s attorney, Laura E. Rackner, with Gearing, Rackner & Engel, released a short statement Tuesday:

“Mr. Horman has a continuing desire to bring Kyron home safely, and to provide for the best interests of his daughter Kiara. I refer you to the public statement issued by the family yesterday, which is included below. Mr. Horman remains supportive of all of the law enforcement agencies working to locate Kyron and will continue to act in his children’s best interests.”

http://www.kval.com/news/97436564.html

[Tamikosmom]

Ockham's Razor
 
You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity.
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The chain of events encompassing the morning when Kryon went missing do not appear to be complex.  There are pieces of the puzzle missing but the pieces which have been afforded do reveal a picture to base an investigation on.

Has Tanner's stepmother been questioned?

Janet

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THE MORNING OF JUNE 4, 2010

Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM

THE BACKPACK - THE COAT

Instead of taking the bus near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School.

They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog."

THE PHOTO

Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page. .....

THE WITNESSES
 
Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html


Kyron Horman disappears during Oregon school science fair
June 7, 2010

THE WITNESSES

Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together.

http://origin.ksdk.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=203651&catid=28


Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010

THE CELL PHONE RECORD

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/

[Tamikosmom]

SELF-EDIT - POST 1867

motivated him to disappear s/b motivated her to disappear

[Tamikosmom]

I have just spend some time catching up on this thread.  Thanks to all for quotes, updates, articles, research and insights.  It is very much appreciated.

Later, Janet
1:10 PM PT

[Blonde]

One item of credibility where I would like to see more investigation, is the account of a neighbor to the elementary, Jim Kelley. On that Friday at around 3:00 PM. Kelley saw a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the road, idle and then turn around. Kelly thought this very odd, but it happened again at 2:00 AM Saturday. What was this lady in the white truck up to? Words of Kelly: That`s beyond rare.
http://thesop.org/story/opinion/2010/06/16/is-the-stepmother-to-kyron-horman-terri-moulton-horman-being-unfairly-targeted.php

[shy-monkey]

OT.. sorrry

OMG in my email... more united pet products recall. 

First it was Pet Pro Adult vitamins for dogs...

now its a whole long freakin LIST of Pet Pro and other nutritional supplements.  Dogs AND cats as well now.  If you give your pet anything besides food, check this list.  Lots of different companies, not just pet pro.

United Pet Group Voluntarily Expands Recall of Nutritional Supplements For Dogs to Include Additional Tablet and Powdered-Form Products for Dogs and Cats Because of Possible Salmonella Health Risk

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm217999.htm

Please help spread the word!! 

This stuff is bought in ordinary places like down at the walmart.  I gotta head down there with stuff I've been giving my dog, and back to the vet we go.  Grrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you!! I miss these recalls unless someone is nice enough to post them some place I sneak and read on daily!

k-ot I know-just anted to sneak in a thanks before going back to reading on Kyron's mess of a family and their acquaintances-that poor kid!!!

[Peace]

TY Brandi for those pics.

Something that crossed my mind looking at those pics from 2005.  How did she have time to do all tis intense trainin/bodybuilding to get her body to that extreme and take care of her son who would have 11 years old and Kyron who would have been only 2 at the time...and where in the heck did dhe get the energy if she was doing all this?

What is missing about Terri ?

You actually gain more energy when you work out daily, and my gym has a kids gym as many now do so the kids can work out on wii sports and other things, otherwise they usually have child-care on site. Running with child in stroller, hiking w/ child in backpack carrier are all ways to work out w/ child.  I am a very active person and have always brought my child with me while I worked out. The body building only takes a few hours a day, and look at others who live a more sedate life who watch the tube many hours a day. Take the computer or tv time out and bring in workout time. Works for me

[Wyks]

Hi Titch, and welcome!  Have enjoyed your posts at Blink's, you have much to add to a forum.    Am happy that you're here. 

[Titch]

Someone was looking for a picture of the "hooks" (Tracygirl, maybe) in Kyron's classroom. I just grabbed this from the Today show coverage. You can see the hooks behind Kyron on the wall.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/38095397#38095397

Hi Brandi. I have another one from Terri's FB, thought I'd add it with yours:

[cartfly]

Hi Monkeys,
I have been away from the computer due to allot going on here at my house.(We are putting in a pool and my yard looks like a bomb went off...)  :[

I have skimmed through where I last left off (middle of first thread)and I am still behind....this case looks like it has taken another route all together. From what I know so far, Kaine left Terri and took Kitty, he also put a restraining order on Terri prohibiting her from contact of any of the children and TH propositioned a landscaper she hired to "kill" Kaine back in the fall. Do we know the landscapers name? Am I up to date with this case?

A brief summary of what I have missed so I can catch up faster would be much appreciated.
 My eyes are starting to cross....Anybody want to help a sister monkey out? (there are extra bananas in it for you

[New Monkey]

IMO this is not a normal facial reaction at a news conference where the child you have more or less been raising has gone missing.  To me the reaction is more like a childlike fear that she will be caught rather than a terrifying fear that Kyron has been kidnapped:

ITA klaas!!!!!

Her eyes look like she is afraid and pleading..don't let me get caught, and also observing the pain up close and personal she has caused Kyron's bio Mom.  SICK, SICK, SICK

Coming in very late, but I totally, totally agree with you.  That is just not a normal look.

[Brandi]

One item of credibility where I would like to see more investigation, is the account of a neighbor to the elementary, Jim Kelley. On that Friday at around 3:00 PM. Kelley saw a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the road, idle and then turn around. Kelly thought this very odd, but it happened again at 2:00 AM Saturday. What was this lady in the white truck up to? Words of Kelly: That`s beyond rare.
http://thesop.org/story/opinion/2010/06/16/is-the-stepmother-to-kyron-horman-terri-moulton-horman-being-unfairly-targeted.php

I am looking for a news source that states this quote from Jim Kelly.

Anyone have one?

TIA

[Brandi]

One item of credibility where I would like to see more investigation, is the account of a neighbor to the elementary, Jim Kelley. On that Friday at around 3:00 PM. Kelley saw a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the road, idle and then turn around. Kelly thought this very odd, but it happened again at 2:00 AM Saturday. What was this lady in the white truck up to? Words of Kelly: That`s beyond rare.
http://thesop.org/story/opinion/2010/06/16/is-the-stepmother-to-kyron-horman-terri-moulton-horman-being-unfairly-targeted.php

I am looking for a news source that states this quote from Jim Kelly.

Anyone have one?

TIA

Posted too soon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun.html