Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #2 6/30/10 - 7/5/10

[flutter1]

Ladies, may I ask you all a question?

If you removed Step from Terri familial dynamic - would you still view her the same way?

Would Tanner's story all of a sudden make more sense and be more believable? Would you than be more inclined to believe that Tanner is infact the last person to see Kyron? It's been reported several times. He gave an interview himself.

If Kyron were Terri's natural son would you be inclined to think an unknown pedophile, another parent, or a school staff member has possibly committed this crime?

I think that's a fair question.

Yes, fair questions, Rob. 

Am behind in reading/replying, so haven't read yet what others may have replied to this. 

Personally, the only thing about 'step', 'half', 'bio', 'adoptive', etc etc.., is to help identify who it is I'm discussing or thinking of.  If we were to take all those identifiers out of the equation, I don't think that would affect the possibilities of 'who' in this case.  IMO  At times, for me anyway, it's too easy to get bogged down in these identiers, they can become annoying and distracting from the main issues.  Again, that's IMO.   

With the info we've been given so far, it seems that Tanner is the last known person to have seen Kyron that day.  And why LE seems to be dismissing his account, I do not know.  (unless, as I said way back, it's a revenge thing from LE because they said no one could talk publically but Tanner's gma allowed him to.  It was right after the Tanner video came out, that LE seemed to backpedal and say that Terri is the last known to have seen Kyron at 8:45am, effectively contradicting themselves, and seemingly then ignoring what Tanner said altogether). 

For me, it doesn't make me any difference.  Casey Anthony's own blood coursing through her daughter's body didn't protect Caylee any more than if she had been killed by ZFG. 

[Wyks]

A long but really good comment (IMO) over at Blink's.  I snipped a portion of it below.  Am really thinking that what we are seeing, at this point today, is the beginning of LE publically breaking away from Kaine. 

And this may likely get interesting.  IMO

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 KOOL LOOK says:
July 2, 2010 at 6:20 pm

<snipped>

I couldn’t help but to think as I just finished watching the man from LE giving the live pressor at 5:00 pm eastern that it sure looked like a slap in the face to what happened yesterday. Think about what happened yesterday and the uproar. Then LE has a next day pressor inviting all the press, and this guy sincerely answering questions with concern tones in his voice and eyes towards the reporters. He clearly treated these media reporters with respect. He clearly made it clear the role they and the community played in helping LE in this entire case since it’s beginning. He encouraged like behaviors for the future. To my knowledge, todays pressor wasnt planned earlier, and LE hasn’t spoken in a very long time considering updates to the public til today. Why today? I think it’s apparent.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/30/kyron-horman-missing-terri-horman-retains-heavy-hitter-houze/

[no rose colored glasses]

A long but really good comment (IMO) over at Blink's.  I snipped a portion of it below.  Am really thinking that what we are seeing, at this point today, is the beginning of LE publically breaking away from Kaine. 

And this may likely get interesting.  IMO

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 KOOL LOOK says:
July 2, 2010 at 6:20 pm

<snipped>

I couldn’t help but to think as I just finished watching the man from LE giving the live pressor at 5:00 pm eastern that it sure looked like a slap in the face to what happened yesterday. Think about what happened yesterday and the uproar. Then LE has a next day pressor inviting all the press, and this guy sincerely answering questions with concern tones in his voice and eyes towards the reporters. He clearly treated these media reporters with respect. He clearly made it clear the role they and the community played in helping LE in this entire case since it’s beginning. He encouraged like behaviors for the future. To my knowledge, todays pressor wasnt planned earlier, and LE hasn’t spoken in a very long time considering updates to the public til today. Why today? I think it’s apparent.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/30/kyron-horman-missing-terri-horman-retains-heavy-hitter-houze/

I think she is right with her observations. That farce of a press conference yesterday was ridiculous and didn't accomplish one thing, except make Kaine look controlling, imo.

[Deenie]

OH for the first time I have a sick sinking feeling ((this is not all about Kyron)).. just listening to this Man speak. My Brain is Popping.

http://www.katu.com/home/video/97705739.html

This is something very very awful that Kyron is a victim of. This is not a domestic situation as they have been professing.  This investigation of Kyron, I believe, has stumbled into something horrific.  This is my gut reaction. His words of Kyron " are of past tense as well" ...Thanking everyone for their duty as if the search is over for Kyron yet is on to " other implicating issues conjoined within Kyron's case, that are hot and being looked at with a microscope". 
I think his stating this is of a missing child and this is of a school - translates to " This case is about child victimization that envelopes our community. All /Community as parents are to trust and have faith in our Public School System. Oh god, something is very very wrong. That is why they have used Terri and why she has not said a word, She knows but was not directly involved with Kryon. BUT She knows and is a part of a " I am guessing now" a group of TEACHERs/Public figures that are being highly looked at. I am just guessing. That is my Gut. That this all points back to the Teachers/School. Which goes back to Sandra Cantu and the TRACY 60. All perps being Teachers/Coaches/Scout leaders etc.. A group of Sick Baxtards that work with children ( take, use and abuse children). And use their positions to cover for each other and .... etc. I will have to think about this. This is not good. (( I maybe completely way off, but I don't think I am))If they can bust this ring wide open - that is good. But for Kyron this is not good.
 
omg.

[Tracygirl]

The other day Terri's friend made a comment that Terri may speak the next day and she hadn't said anything up until then because Kaine had told her not to.

Also, do you recall when the press conference he and Desiree did together Kaine made a statement (summarizing) that no one speaks for them and everyone needs to ignore what these other people are saying and just rely on them.

Why is he controlling this information to this point? What is he afraid of? He kicked out the WW and Oregonian papers for what we think is speaking too much about his family. There is a skeleton or 2 in this family he wants to remain in the closet.

BTW I want to say this actually happened in Portland. We spoke about this in the other Kyron thread, back in the 1970's a man walked into a school and kidnapped a little girl right out of hallway. He told her he was sent by her mom to come get her. Out the door she went with him. He brutally raped this poor child and left her for dead, but luckily she was found and taken to a hospital. Police arrested this man and he spent time in prison. He was recently released I believed. This story goes to show that a pedo can and has entered a school and taken a child.

[cw618]

A long but really good comment (IMO) over at Blink's.  I snipped a portion of it below.  Am really thinking that what we are seeing, at this point today, is the beginning of LE publically breaking away from Kaine. 

And this may likely get interesting.  IMO

~~~~~

 KOOL LOOK says:
July 2, 2010 at 6:20 pm

<snipped>

I couldn’t help but to think as I just finished watching the man from LE giving the live pressor at 5:00 pm eastern that it sure looked like a slap in the face to what happened yesterday. Think about what happened yesterday and the uproar. Then LE has a next day pressor inviting all the press, and this guy sincerely answering questions with concern tones in his voice and eyes towards the reporters. He clearly treated these media reporters with respect. He clearly made it clear the role they and the community played in helping LE in this entire case since it’s beginning. He encouraged like behaviors for the future. To my knowledge, todays pressor wasnt planned earlier, and LE hasn’t spoken in a very long time considering updates to the public til today. Why today? I think it’s apparent.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/06/30/kyron-horman-missing-terri-horman-retains-heavy-hitter-houze/

I think she is right with her observations. That farce of a press conference yesterday was ridiculous and didn't accomplish one thing, except make Kaine look controlling, imo.

i think kaine and bio-mom, are PoED TH lawyered up, and will totally shut up
and whatever happened in that driveway led up to this
i was surprised no one had more questions about that

[klaasend]

Deenie - it scares me you are making sense.  The pieces of the puzzle fit together better after reading your post.  I hope your wrong.

[bananas]

OH for the first time I have a sick sinking feeling ((this is not all about Kyron)).. just listening to this Man speak. My Brain is Popping.

http://www.katu.com/home/video/97705739.html

This is something very very awful that Kyron is a victim of. This is not a domestic situation as they have been professing.  This investigation of Kyron, I believe, has stumbled into something horrific.  This is my gut reaction. His words of Kyron " are of past tense as well" ...Thanking everyone for their duty as if the search is over for Kyron yet is on to " other implicating issues conjoined within Kyron's case, that are hot and being looked at with a microscope". 
I think his stating this is of a missing child and this is of a school - translates to " This case is about child victimization that envelopes our community. All /Community as parents are to trust and have faith in our Public School System. Oh god, something is very very wrong. That is why they have used Terri and why she has not said a word, She knows but was not directly involved with Kryon. BUT She knows and is a part of a " I am guessing now" a group of TEACHERs/Public figures that are being highly looked at. I am just guessing. That is my Gut. That this all points back to the Teachers/School. Which goes back to Sandra Cantu and the TRACY 60. All perps being Teachers/Coaches/Scout leaders etc.. A group of Sick Baxtards that work with children ( take, use and abuse children). And use their positions to cover for each other and .... etc. I will have to think about this. This is not good. (( I maybe completely way off, but I don't think I am))If they can bust this ring wide open - that is good. But for Kyron this is not good.
 
omg.

Deenie, I hope what you are insinuating, is not true.......

[Tracygirl]

I know Klaas isn't it the strangest thing? How can their be 2 different stories of the same thing. Something is just not right. First the whole James thing and we hear 2 different accounts if Terri knew Desiree. WTH? Why should that matter if Terri knew Desiree first or not, kwim? Why? Why? Why?

[Tracygirl]

LOL, <tracygirl's monkeys is smacking her head on the computer and screaming> This is why I was so hinkytized over the teacher seamingly dismissing where Kyron was at and not sounding every alarm ever made! Why on earth would someone not be alarmed by a child missing? Who teaches on assumptions? 
YES Deenie, yes!

[Blonde]

Has anyone else checked out Terri's teacher's certificate online?  I went to what I thought was the Oregon website to check http://www.tspc.state.or.us/lookup_query.asp?op=9&id=0 but I couldn't find anything but a Basic Teacher Certification -- no Reading Specialization.  Maybe that isn't the way Oregon display additional certifications, but in my state, you have to pass tests for other areas and they become a part of your profile online.

Terri Horman’s Experience
Teaching Assistant
Portland Public Schools

(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

September 2008 — Present (1 year 11 months)

Assisting at Skyline Elementary School for testing.
Reading Specialist
Portland Public Schools

(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

September 2007 — Present (2 years 11 months)

Specifically Skyline Elementary assisting in all classrooms as needed.
Elementary Teacher
Portland Public Schools

(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

March 2002 — December 2008 (6 years 10 months)

Reading Specialist
More
http://www.linkedin.com/in/terrihorman

[Claycat]

Deenie, are you talking about organized pedophile rings, like the elite groups that take children and use them and make them disappear?

[Scandi]

If it's true that Kaine also went to the gym - accompanying Terri - while his son was missing, how come no one is freaked out over that?

Well, some of us did have a freakage over 'both'. 

Is that a word?  lol 

It is in my language ... hah. UM both Kaine and Terri were caught up with by a reporter leaving the gym. Days after Kyron missing. Both Shunned the Reporter - got into their vehicle and scooted... No comments made by either Kaine or Terri. 
WHY? Why not? It would humanize them I would think. That they are seen together as a couple and trying to cope. That they were still engaging with their Community and in their community as a couple. Not Hiding. That they were open to the public. They were even told by LE - go on about your normal life. 
** Wkys, my friend, you think about it. What is this Tie to the GYM. Why is it such a " center piece within all of this".  Terri is being implicated because of a comment made of the said GYM. Is there " a person" who attends this Gym that is part of Kyron's demise? GYM GYM GYM ...come on people .. its gotta mean something. What is it about the Gym that has something ..irregardless of Terri being a body builder in the past. We are talking about WHO/WHAT and WHY of Present with this Gym ..that both Terri and Kaine belonged to and frequented. And it was part of their rituals. Release, Health ..?? Sex partner/partners that they both shared and or were in a click with.. I don't know.  I went to a gym that I signed up with .. I went a handful of times. I found it to be a Meat Market and not a place for me to get healthy. I was actually scared at times, for my safety, because there were so many people stalking for " dates" and not muscles or weight loss.
Going back to Words of those repeated. 
 Melissa Huckaby SCREAMED Suitcase to the POLICE - over and over and over - And To all and many Suitcase My Suitcase.. and what?? Where was Baby Sandra Found? In her Suitcase.

I've just got to thank you Deenie for that great and forthright post.

[Deenie]

Deenie - it scares me you are making sense.  The pieces of the puzzle fit together better after reading your post.  I hope your wrong.

Klaas think about it. Okay here she is Terri - her parents being in the school system forever as teachers. She becomes a teacher. She has sorted relationships along they way ..has a extrovert yet introverted personality. She via the years find herself grasping at straws.. trying to get ahead. She has a son who she can't take care of financially without a Hubs. She meets up with Kaine. He and she get together and she still cannot make it within the school district as permanent. She has Kitty(really feels the need to leave a unhappy marriage) Kitty is though another child $$ is a set back. She for the last 6 mos+ is miserable and wanting to create income so she and Kitty can " go away"..... even risking all and everything " Kyron".  She cannot find work, she has no resources. So who does she turn to??  Who ever is the one that plays and pays ..black market, trafficking? ( She knows who and how and takes up the offer) ??

I hope I am Wrong KLAAS - God I hope I am. 

[klaasend]

Has anyone else checked out Terri's teacher's certificate online?  I went to what I thought was the Oregon website to check http://www.tspc.state.or.us/lookup_query.asp?op=9&id=0 but I couldn't find anything but a Basic Teacher Certification -- no Reading Specialization.  Maybe that isn't the way Oregon display additional certifications, but in my state, you have to pass tests for other areas and they become a part of your profile online.

Terri Horman’s Experience
Teaching Assistant
Portland Public Schools

(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

September 2008 — Present (1 year 11 months)

Assisting at Skyline Elementary School for testing.
Reading Specialist
Portland Public Schools

(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

September 2007 — Present (2 years 11 months)

Specifically Skyline Elementary assisting in all classrooms as needed.
Elementary Teacher
Portland Public Schools

(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

March 2002 — December 2008 (6 years 10 months)

Reading Specialist
More
http://www.linkedin.com/in/terrihorman

According to this, the only official teaching job she has had is 2002-2003 at Mooberry Elementary

[cw618]

does anyone know if Desiree, was adopted too

kaine ,TH, and i think one of TH ex hubby was
the odds just seem high for all these adopted people to know
and have intimate relationships,with each other
in my 50+yrs, ive only meet 3 people that were adopted

[Tracygirl]

http://www.katu.com/home/video/97705739.html

Summery

Terri Horman, the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman, has been fully cooperating with law enforcement, according to Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton Friday.

What was that all yesterday regarding Terri needs to cooporate? LE says she is cooperating...So in Kaines eyes what is she not cooperating with?

[Deenie]

Deenie, are you talking about organized pedophile rings, like the elite groups that take children and use them and make them disappear?

Look up Tracy 60, I guess yes that is what I am saying. I am NOT privy of any info of Kyron's case.  or of any info of his case. I don't know know a Dang Thing on my own. I have studied Sandra Cantu's case like no other ..and this last statement made by LE of Kyron is Ringing Bells. Again all I have said is just an opinion of my own. 

 

[Scandi]

Deenie - it scares me you are making sense.  The pieces of the puzzle fit together better after reading your post.  I hope your wrong.

It sure does.  Can we discuss that here in depth?  I get a little paranoid as we need to be careful about what we say and yet want to try and discover any associations possible, eh?

[Brandi]

Has anyone else checked out Terri's teacher's certificate online?  I went to what I thought was the Oregon website to check http://www.tspc.state.or.us/lookup_query.asp?op=9&id=0 but I couldn't find anything but a Basic Teacher Certification -- no Reading Specialization.  Maybe that isn't the way Oregon display additional certifications, but in my state, you have to pass tests for other areas and they become a part of your profile online.

Terri Horman’s Experience
Teaching Assistant
Portland Public Schools

(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

September 2008 — Present (1 year 11 months)

Assisting at Skyline Elementary School for testing.
Reading Specialist
Portland Public Schools

(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

September 2007 — Present (2 years 11 months)

Specifically Skyline Elementary assisting in all classrooms as needed.
Elementary Teacher
Portland Public Schools

(Educational Institution; Education Management industry)

March 2002 — December 2008 (6 years 10 months)

Reading Specialist
More
http://www.linkedin.com/in/terrihorman

The linkedin site is what Terri wrote about herself.

I read that she was never hired to work at Skyline. I wonder if what she stated on her "resume" on linkedin was a paid or volunteer position.

Just curious.