Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #2 6/30/10 - 7/5/10

[Rob]

The other day Terri's friend made a comment that Terri may speak the next day and she hadn't said anything up until then because Kaine had told her not to.

Also, do you recall when the press conference he and Desiree did together Kaine made a statement (summarizing) that no one speaks for them and everyone needs to ignore what these other people are saying and just rely on them.

Why is he controlling this information to this point? What is he afraid of? He kicked out the WW and Oregonian papers for what we think is speaking too much about his family. There is a skeleton or 2 in this family he wants to remain in the closet.

BTW I want to say this actually happened in Portland. We spoke about this in the other Kyron thread, back in the 1970's a man walked into a school and kidnapped a little girl right out of hallway. He told her he was sent by her mom to come get her. Out the door she went with him. He brutally raped this poor child and left her for dead, but luckily she was found and taken to a hospital. Police arrested this man and he spent time in prison. He was recently released I believed. This story goes to show that a pedo can and has entered a school and taken a child.

as much as I want more info from the police - I think a lil more rope for Kaine is in order. This guy moves closer and closer to my shiver zone everytime he speaks.

[doubledecker]

has anyone seen the name Michael pop up... I know about the "family friend" Michael Cook... but I am looking for a Michael somehow connected to Terri. 

If anyone spots a Michael in any researching, please let me know. 

[Scandi]

LOL, <tracygirl's monkeys is smacking her head on the computer and screaming> This is why I was so hinkytized over the teacher seamingly dismissing where Kyron was at and not sounding every alarm ever made! Why on earth would someone not be alarmed by a child missing? Who teaches on assumptions? 
YES Deenie, yes!

Hi Tracygirl,  I've thought many times she could have been having an affair with one of the H parents and then read something that made me think otherwise.  I've racked my brain as to what it was ~ maybe something on Tr's video stated by Kohr Harlan the reporter.  I'll rack it some more.  lol

[no rose colored glasses]

Well, now with what Deenie has all posted, I'm at a loss of words. Never thought it could be something like that happening. Not that it doesn't, just didn't think in this case.

[Rob]

I know Klaas isn't it the strangest thing? How can their be 2 different stories of the same thing. Something is just not right. First the whole James thing and we hear 2 different accounts if Terri knew Desiree. WTH? Why should that matter if Terri knew Desiree first or not, kwim? Why? Why? Why?

Tracygirl - I have learned that the first accounts are indeed the correct accounts - the follow-ups are someone's countering new version.

I learned that following Natalee's case. Then you need to ask - why would someone deliberately and false counter the truth. And then it hits you - they're not as innocent as you once suspected.

[Rob]

BTW - in the first thread when I was sort of following this case and pre-occupied with Natalee and Stephany - I noticed that the early accounts have Desiree's friendship with Terri starting much earlier. Now she barely knew her and only through Kaine.

[klaasend]

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Dad-mom-step-dad-answer-questions-about-Kyron/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

These are written responses from Desiree Young, Tom Young and Kaine Horman released to written questions from members of the media. Desiree and Kaine are Kyron Horman’s mother and father. Tom is Kyron’s step-father.

 

A). TERRI

There were a lot of questions asked about Terri Horman or situations surrounding her.  Based on where the investigation is at this point we are unable to comment on those questions.

B). TIME

1).           What does your day look like during this?  Our employers have been extremely supportive and flexible during this difficult time.  Our days are focused on Kyron and helping investigators in any way we can.  We make sure to contact them in the morning to layout our schedule for that day and do all that needs to be done during the day to help them.

2).           Where are you finding strength during this?  We lean on each other and we focus on what needs to be done to bring Kyron home.  We use Kyron as our strength.  We pray each day for resolution and for Kyron.

3).           What is the hardest thing about all of this?  Not knowing where he is and not having him here with us.

C). PERSONAL

1).           What do you want the public to know about Kyron?

3).           What do you miss most about Kyron?  We miss his toothless smile, the belly laugh, the pouty lips, but most of all the hugs that he gives us each day.  We also miss the everyday noise that emanates the house when he is playing.

4).           Does Kyron have any defining marks (i.e. birthmarks) that people looking for him should be aware of?  He has a V shaped strawberry birthmark on his forehead that has faded over the years but you can still see it when he cries or is upset.

5).           Is there a favorite food that Kyron has?  Sushi and macaroni & cheese.

6).           Is Kyron allergic to anything?  He is allergic to bees

7).           What plans do you have for Kyron when he comes home?  Aside from the fact that he is never leaving the house again, vacation, camping, fishing and all of the things that he loves to do.  We are going to focus on spending everyday making sure that he is happy, just as we have done before this happened.

.           Your story has touched people across the world, please tell us how?  We can’t speak for others, but people across the world have adopted him and pray for him as if he was theirs.  They have helped us in the search and mission to find him.

D). CASE

1).           How can the community help with the case?  Continue doing what they have been doing and keep his face out there.  We need the community to call the tip line with any information and to keep looking.

2).           Are we helping with case and how?  We are helping each day to be there when the investigators need us and we are always working to make sure that the media keeps his face out there, we hand out flyers, t-shirts, bracelets, buttons anything that we can to assure everyone knows his face.

3).           Has the investigation stayed focused or veered off course? We have full confidence in the investigation and the investigators that are working to find Kyron.

4).           You said that you have been fully briefed, did the police give you a reason to be optimistic that Kyron will be found?  We are optimistic that Kyron will be found.

5).           Any concerns/questions about the community getting so involved and wanting to search themselves?  Any individual search efforts should be coordinated with MCSO.  If not, they could be detrimental to the ongoing investigation.
Step mother hires prominent lawyer
PORTLAND, Ore. - Step mom Terri Moulton Horman is meeting with her defense attorney Stephen Houze while in seclusion at her Northwest home.

According to an attorney unrelated to the Horman case, she is sending a clear message to investigators by hiring Stephen Houze.

Watch the story here.
Mother believes Kyron is alive
PORTLAND, Ore. – The mother of Kyron Horman told KOIN Local 6 she believes the missing 7-year-old is alive and his step-mother may be a major factor in bringing the boy home.

“Kyron is still alive,” Desiree Young told KOIN Local 6. “We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with the investigation to bring Kyron home.”

Young also said the family is optimistic Kyron will be found.

Watch the entire statement here.
Desiree Young's complete statement
Kyron Horman's mother made a brief statement Thrusday afternoon. Here is a complete transcript of what she said:

Kyron is still alive.


We would like all of you- everyone- to continually get his face out there. To continue looking for him in your day-to-day activities.


We pray each day for Kyron.


We are…We are working with investigators daily to bring Kyron home. We are extremely confident in how the investigation is going to bring him home to us.


We implore Terri Horman to fully cooperate with the investigators to bring Kyron home.


That’s it.
Motion to open sealed restraining order
PORTLAND, Ore. - KOIN is among multiple media outlets seeking release of the restraining order documents because the disappearance of Kryon Horman is of high public interest. The public and media remain concerned about Kryon's whereabouts and about the public safety questions raised by his disappearance.

A judge has scheduled a hearing on the issue Friday at 2:30 p.m. at Multnomah Count Courthouse.
Prominent defense attorney represents Terri Horman
PORTLAND, Ore. - A source tells KOIN Local 6 that Terri Moulton Horman has hired well-known defense attorney Stephen Houze to represent her.

Kaine Horman filed a restraining order against Moulton Horman on Monday.

Houze is known for many high profile cases. He's represented former Portland Trailblazers.

He also represented former Portland doctor - Jayant Patel, also known as "Dr. Death."

Patel was convicted of manslaughter in Australia this week.
CONTINUED: Will Terri talk?

Please check link above for more info

[Scandi]

I know Klaas isn't it the strangest thing? How can their be 2 different stories of the same thing. Something is just not right. First the whole James thing and we hear 2 different accounts if Terri knew Desiree. WTH? Why should that matter if Terri knew Desiree first or not, kwim? Why? Why? Why?

Tracygirl - I have learned that the first accounts are indeed the correct accounts - the follow-ups are someone's countering new version.

I learned that following Natalee's case. Then you need to ask - why would someone deliberately and false counter the truth. And then it hits you - they're not as innocent as you once suspected.

How true Rob,  I discovered that especially in the Madeleine McCann case.  Although there is was almost like they were doing preventive maintenance, putting out a plausible explanation before whatever was said hit the news!  Ahhhhh,  dear Madeleine ;}

[Tracygirl]

Deenie this doesn't have to include Terri's involvement. People at the school level would be able to pull this off without parent involvement.

Wouldn't it make sense that some how the panic was controlled? Somehow a person was able to take a child out of a school and this was not discovered until late in the afternoon.  Unless poor little Kyron had the worse luck in the entire world because no one looked for the poor kid or someone stalled the search and the panic. Who ever took this child, whether it was a parent of his or whoever, they had no idea he would be missed within 1 second of leaving the school, or did they know it would be ok? 

[Rob]

Deenie - it scares me you are making sense.  The pieces of the puzzle fit together better after reading your post.  I hope your wrong.

Klaas think about it. Okay here she is Terri - her parents being in the school system forever as teachers. She becomes a teacher. She has sorted relationships along they way ..has a extrovert yet introverted personality. She via the years find herself grasping at straws.. trying to get ahead. She has a son who she can't take care of financially without a Hubs. She meets up with Kaine. He and she get together and she still cannot make it within the school district as permanent. She has Kitty(really feels the need to leave a unhappy marriage) Kitty is though another child $$ is a set back. She for the last 6 mos+ is miserable and wanting to create income so she and Kitty can " go away"..... even risking all and everything " Kyron".  She cannot find work, she has no resources. So who does she turn to??  Who ever is the one that plays and pays ..black market, trafficking? ( She knows who and how and takes up the offer) ??

I hope I am Wrong KLAAS - God I hope I am. 

Deenie - I don't doubt there could be a pedo ring in the school, not at all. A few years ago when Madeleine McCann disappeared the authorities rounded up 700 pedos in multiple countries. They shook every branch and all kinds of dregs fell out.

These rings are sophisticated and multinational. But the only thing they need is kids and access to them. So it fits.

All that said - Terri is under investigation and if she knew about something like that I would surely hope that she would spill the beans soastospeak. Keeping mum on something so horrible is atrocious.

Good thinking by the way. You're one smart lady!

[Tracygirl]

I know Klaas isn't it the strangest thing? How can their be 2 different stories of the same thing. Something is just not right. First the whole James thing and we hear 2 different accounts if Terri knew Desiree. WTH? Why should that matter if Terri knew Desiree first or not, kwim? Why? Why? Why?

Tracygirl - I have learned that the first accounts are indeed the correct accounts - the follow-ups are someone's countering new version.

I learned that following Natalee's case. Then you need to ask - why would someone deliberately and false counter the truth. And then it hits you - they're not as innocent as you once suspected.

So you are saying that Desiree is countering the truth? I am thinking there is something about how the two met, both Desiree and Terri and Terri and Kaine that this family doesn't want known.

James I am thinking perhaps they are trying to hide him so no one hounds him, although who knows.

[Rob]

Scandi - LOL

J I N X

< tongue wag >

[Rob]

I know Klaas isn't it the strangest thing? How can their be 2 different stories of the same thing. Something is just not right. First the whole James thing and we hear 2 different accounts if Terri knew Desiree. WTH? Why should that matter if Terri knew Desiree first or not, kwim? Why? Why? Why?

Tracygirl - I have learned that the first accounts are indeed the correct accounts - the follow-ups are someone's countering new version.

I learned that following Natalee's case. Then you need to ask - why would someone deliberately and false counter the truth. And then it hits you - they're not as innocent as you once suspected.

So you are saying that Desiree is countering the truth? I am thinking there is something about how the two met, both Desiree and Terri and Terri and Kaine that this family doesn't want known.

James I am thinking perhaps they are trying to hide him so no one hounds him, although who knows.

It's EXACTLY what I am saying.

[no rose colored glasses]

So are we to think there is a group of teachers involved with this, like a child porn ring?  Or a group of people in the community involved with this? I hear what you are saying Deenie, and it is really frightening, but I just don't know if I can believe this is what happened. No doubt the lack of concern with the teacher is beyond upsetting, just assuming what she did. Would I be wrong at assuming the teachers and workers at the school have all been looked at. And the gym, I just figured that is the gym that the both of them go to, never thought about anything there being unsavory.

[Wyks]

I don't think the school officials at Skyline or the district itself wants to have their reputation destroyed over this, but the facts are -

no video system.

no call to a parent when a child is not in school program.

I'm not even sure they took the following Monday off to re-evaluate the school procedures as I was busy over on Natalee's thread.

But this isn't the correct way to run a school and a kid is missing. This is a FAIL. They get a G minus.

School officials often start clamping down when something bad happens - they don't want lawsuits and / or bad publicity.

Which is why, IMO, LE beat a hasty retreat when it became apparent that there WERE some who actually saw Kyron AT the school, after Terri supposedly dropped him off at 8.45 am.  Despite the media having released the info that Kyron had been seen later on, LE backtracked to Terri.  Why???? 

Politics, liability of the school, CYA, you name it. 

Seems to me that the mad scramble was about putting the responsibility for Kyron back onto Terri, who evidently did not physically place Kyron into a teacher's care/presence....... which may effectively absolve the school of any responsibility for his having gone missing. 

As in the school ELECTED officials and LE saying, <shrugging shoulders> well he was with Terri last, not in class.   

And are they going to get away with this??  Probably.  Pfffffft. 

[Brandi]

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Dad-mom-step-dad-answer-questions-about-Kyron/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

These are written responses from Desiree Young, Tom Young and Kaine Horman released to written questions from members of the media. Desiree and Kaine are Kyron Horman’s mother and father. Tom is Kyron’s step-father.
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Please check link above for more info

I assume they meant to say Tony Young, not Tom Young?

Also I noticed this answer:
5). Any concerns/questions about the community getting so involved and wanting to search themselves?  Any individual search efforts should be coordinated with MCSO.  If not, they could be detrimental to the ongoing investigation.

*sigh* Really? Giving a piece of Kyron's clothing or something with his scent on it to Harry Oakes would be detrimental?

[Rob]

Kevin Miller has a differing account too - I post this in the AM. Last night's NG. I do not know how he developed this info but would love to know.

To you, Kevin Miller, she`s been -- in fact when the mom -- the mom was getting a divorce when she was eight months pregnant with Kyron, right?

KEVIN MILLER, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: That is correct. And she`s known Kyron since he was 3 days old.

GRACE: So mommy -- the natural mommy has to go to Canada, I believe, for surgery, for treatment. She had a very, very serious health condition. And the step-mommy is brought in to help as a nanny. She is actually a friend of the bio-mom`s. And wouldn`t you know it, she hooks up with Kyron`s father. They end up getting married.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1007/01/ng.01.html

[no rose colored glasses]

I don't think the school officials at Skyline or the district itself wants to have their reputation destroyed over this, but the facts are -

no video system.

no call to a parent when a child is not in school program.

I'm not even sure they took the following Monday off to re-evaluate the school procedures as I was busy over on Natalee's thread.

But this isn't the correct way to run a school and a kid is missing. This is a FAIL. They get a G minus.

School officials often start clamping down when something bad happens - they don't want lawsuits and / or bad publicity.

Which is why, IMO, LE beat a hasty retreat when it became apparent that there WERE some who actually saw Kyron AT the school, after Terri supposedly dropped him off at 8.45 am.  Despite the media having released the info that Kyron had been seen later on, LE backtracked to Terri.  Why???? 

Politics, liability of the school, CYA, you name it. 

Seems to me that the mad scramble was about putting the responsibility for Kyron back onto Terri, who evidently did not physically place Kyron into a teacher's care/presence....... which may effectively absolve the school of any responsibility for his having gone missing. 

As in the school ELECTED officials and LE saying, <shrugging shoulders> well he was with Terri last, not in class.   

And are they going to get away with this??  Probably.  Pfffffft. 

Now all that I can see, cya, because of liability and politics. One thing I don't get, why are the police not warning parents that a kidnapper is amongst them? I missed that if they did, but I don't recall that, which makes me think it was a family member.

[Wyks]

If it's true that Kaine also went to the gym - accompanying Terri - while his son was missing, how come no one is freaked out over that?

Well, some of us did have a freakage over 'both'. 

Is that a word?  lol 

FREAKAGE..... bwahahaha.... I love it.  It is such a flibbertygidget!

LOL  And I love flibbertygidget too!! 

[Tracygirl]

I know Klaas isn't it the strangest thing? How can their be 2 different stories of the same thing. Something is just not right. First the whole James thing and we hear 2 different accounts if Terri knew Desiree. WTH? Why should that matter if Terri knew Desiree first or not, kwim? Why? Why? Why?

Tracygirl - I have learned that the first accounts are indeed the correct accounts - the follow-ups are someone's countering new version.

I learned that following Natalee's case. Then you need to ask - why would someone deliberately and false counter the truth. And then it hits you - they're not as innocent as you once suspected.

So you are saying that Desiree is countering the truth? I am thinking there is something about how the two met, both Desiree and Terri and Terri and Kaine that this family doesn't want known.

James I am thinking perhaps they are trying to hide him so no one hounds him, although who knows.

It's EXACTLY what I am saying.

Ok so we are on the same page. It is funny that we do not know much about Desiree other then her medical problems. I still don't know where she works, if she works and why she felt it ok to have Kaine and Terri raise Kyron. $30,000 in bills is not that much, kwim? Not enough to give up your child to someone you once fought against to keep. That whole thing is probably none of my business and may not have anything to do with this but I do find it odd 2 different stories of a very simple question that unless it has some impact on this case wouldn't really matter one way or another. Leads me to believe that somehow it does impact this case.

Anyway, my husband is now back with the kids who were out swimming all day. I will be back on later tonight. I must now go cook tacos for 7 people! I will be forever at my frying pan cooking tortilla's, lol.