Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #3 7/5/10 - 7/8/10

[Wyks]

Just thinking out loud… I decide I want to kill my hubby, so I come to the conclusion I will place an ad seeking a landscaper since everyone knows landscapers will murder a husband if a woman is pissed  about their husband having an affair.  I mean Terri reportedly told the guy the affair hurt her. That’s enough right? Well, maybe back in the day when I was a real temptress seduction would have worked….but now, I’m a little uh, less of a temptress since I had a baby only 12 months ago, and between no sleep, and nursing every couple of hours, I’m feeling reaaaaallly sexy, especially the days when I don’t get time to shower until mid-afternoon.  Maybe I can just go to the local bar and find a drunk or addict and promise him a big bag of crack and he’ll do it, na, crack addict will be sloppy, landscapers are neat, they’ll do a neat job and clean up well after.  So, I ask one, if he isn’t game, I’ll ask another, eventually one of these landscapers has to say yes, I mean it’s just inherent of the trade right?
Sorry, had to lighten it up. I may be able to make more sense of this if he began as her lover, but reportedly, she placed an ad, that another man also responded to who she also asked to murder her hubby. That takes much less than average intelligence to plan out.

Bwahahahaha!  Thanks for that, Peace!   

[Itaryl Moosee]

Sorry, monkey dudes and monkey dudettes. I am having a hard time believing that the first landscaper had a relationship with Terri.

I know we read it somewhere online, but so far there is no mention in the main media in Portland. Unless I hear it from the sheriff's department or read it in the local media, I won't believe it to be true.

Sometimes rumors are grabbed by people and details are added to make it look and sound like a real thing, but that doesn't mean it is. The real thing.

[Brandi]

Where's Kyron?

[klaasend]

Beautiful Brandi!

[Wyks]

Just wondering if you guys noticed that the town James went to live in, with his biodad, is the same town mentioned in the article that Klaas posted, back on page 14. 

Roseburg 3rd-grade teacher faces 500 child porn charges

[NCSunny]

Where's Kyron?

*snipped for space & ease on the server*

Awww, Brandi, this is my favourite so far [I say this with every one], you are so talented!

Yes,  Where's Kyron?

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[littletxlady]

Where's Kyron?

Oh Brandi that is just precious! I Love It!!!
btw
 Hi *waving* long time...hope all is well with you.

[Gypsy DD]

THE LANDSCAPER

I believe the landscaper.  Apparently it was investigators who contacted him ... he did not come forward.

Could it be that there were incriminating emails on Terri's computer discovered by investigators ... incriminating evidence that the landscaper could not deny and ... agreed to cooperate.

Terri's lack of cooperation with the landscaper in the sting attempt by investigators could be all about suspecting that she was being set up.

I suspect the landscaper may be in the country illegally and that is why Terri chose him.  Terri must have had confidence that her attempt at murder for hire would never be reported?  Think about it Kaine was not aware that Terri had hired a landscaper.

As always ... IMO.

Janet

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Landscaper tells detectives Terri Moulton Horman offered him money to kill her husband
Published: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 4:00 AM
Updated: Sunday, July 04, 2010, 9:45 AM

After Kyron disappeared June 4, investigators with the county's Major Crimes Team tracked down the landscaper in the course of trying to interview everyone who had contact with the boy's family.  They also found it odd that Terri Horman had hired a landscaper without her husband's knowledge.

The landscaper, contacted by The Oregonian last week, confirmed that he was hired to do lawn work at the Horman home off Northwest Sheltered Nook Road. He said he's talked with detectives and could not comment further. His name is being withheld to protect his identity as a cooperating witness in an ongoing criminal investigation.

Detectives last weekend also shared the information they developed about the alleged murder-for-hire scheme with Kyron's mother and stepdad, Desiree and Tony Young -- providing a clearer indication of why the two banded together with Kaine Horman and the three suddenly and publicly distanced themselves from Terri Horman.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html

I'm not sure if I should believe him or not based only on the reports that we are hearing alone.
Here again, the guy has nothing to say until LE confronts him?
Why?
There is a little boy who is missing and if the guy were completely honset and innocent then why on earth wouldn't he want to try to help investigators right away?
I'm not sure so I am not any kind of ready to believe this guy.

There is room for speculation. The guy could have spur of the moment thrown out this alleged MFH plot to save his own rear end simple as that.

Maybe you're right but I don't see how LE can tap him with Terri and not have probable cause to believe the intent. It costs $$$ to do something like that. LE had to find something credible in what this guy had to say or they wouldn;t have done this, imo. Maybe it was a trade-off to save his arse bc he didn;t report it? Maybe they're both in it together. Who the heck knows? I personally believe they had basis to signing off on the tap.

You are exactly right Titch..LE had to have more then just his say so to set up a sting and get Kaine and the baby out of the house and get the sealed RO.  That is not an everyday proceedure for any LE agancy to follow.  I would bet they had collaboration from cell phone and computer records, and possibly other indivivduals that she was soliciting a hit on Kaine.


Also I know Monkeys have published from different press sources the answers to the questions from Kaine, Desiree and her husband.  I noticed that different press reports have the same basic questions answered..because they probably all hit those questions..but some have different questions listed in one article then another..probably because they only asked that question.

Long story short..on seemus website..he is talking about the a question for Kaine about what the plans were for this July 4th with Kyron..Kaine states he was going to take Kyron on a special vacation to visit friends in California and do all the types of things Kyron liked..and he named those things.

I truly think that Kaine loved Kyron and this was a vendetta from Terri.   

[klaasend]

Just wondering if you guys noticed that the town James went to live in, with his biodad, is the same town mentioned in the article that Klaas posted, back on page 14. 

Roseburg 3rd-grade teacher faces 500 child porn charges

Yes Wyks, that's why I posted that Roseburg story on the porn charges.  I'm sure one has nothing to do with the other but interesting none the less.

[Gypsy DD]

Another thought that has crossed my mind is:
Mr. Kelley and a neghbor are both alleged witnesses to seeing a white (I'm just going to say vehicle) on two seperate occasions. If I am viewing the maps correctly the road looks like it is possibly dirt but for sure it is not as if there are sidewalks on either side. Did Mr. Kelley and/or neghbor report the vehicle sighting right away? If so I wonder if there were any tire prints at the site?

Patricia

Apparently Kaine has passed a polygraph and ... it is him that places Terri at home from 2:00 PM until 3:30 PM on the afternoon of the day that Kyron went missing.  I am sure the bus driver could affirm the 3:30 PM claim.

This would imply that it was not Terri who was observed in the white pickup at 3:00 PM by Mr. Kelley.

IMO

Janet

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Kyron's Parents Field Questions By E-mail
POSTED: 9:56 pm PDT July 5, 2010
UPDATED: 6:26 am PDT July 6, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Kyron Horman's father, biological mother and stepfather answered several questions on Monday, about the investigation surrounding Kyron's disappearance.

The answers, in their entirety, are listed below:

<snipped>

Q: Was Kaine working from home the day Kyron went missing? If so, when did Terri get home from the school?

A: KAINE – No, I was in the office that day until about 1:45 and arrived back home a little after 2pm. Terri was already in the house, on her laptop, when I arrived. I kissed Kiara, grabbed some food, and worked from my home office until about 3:30 at which time I put shoes on Kiara and we started walking down toward the bus stop.

<snipped>

Q: Have you been asked to take polygraphs? If so, did you take them?

A: Yes, all 3 of us have taken polygraphs and have voluntarily undergone any and all sessions with law enforcement and will continue to do so as long as it takes to bring Kyron home. We wake up every day and check in to proactively see what else we can do to help with the case and to find Kyron. We are relentless in this focus.

<snipped>

http://www.kptv.com/news/24151901/detail.html


Day 3: FBI calls in criminal profiler in search for missing Skyline boy; interviews with students and parents begin
Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 2:14 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:01 PM

1:29 p.m. -- Neighbors stop by Brooks Hill Historic church, across the street from the school, to mull over the investigation. "This kind of thing is unheard of," says Jim Kelley, 50.

Kelley, who lives about a mile and a half down hill, at the end of a winding, secluded country lane off Cornelius Pass, said police, federal agents, K-9 teams and helicopters scoured the area Saturday.

"We had two odd sightings of a vehicle on our road Friday," Kelley said. Around 3 p.m, he and a neighbor reported seeing a white pick-up truck with a female driver pull to the end of the long road, idle and then turn around. Then again at 2 a.m. Saturday morning, a similar white pickup truck appeared, idled and when a neighbor loosed her dogs, eased away.

"A, it was strange to have a car there, any car there, that we didn't know, and B, it was strange to have a vehicle come down our dead-end road twice in the same day, hours after a little boy goes missing," said Kelley. "That's beyond rare."

Kelley said authorities have twice searched the deep ravine, creek and railroad tracks located near the end of his street by air and on foot.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/day_three_search_continues_hun

Actually..if you read this closely..Kaine is only saying she is there when he gets home, around 2 pm, on the computer.   In other transcripts he goes on to say he put the shoes on the baby and they walked to the bus spot to greet Kyron..with Terri later following behind.

This means one of two things or both..either Terri left the house when Kaine came home and returned right before the bus was to arrive...or Terri was reluctant to meet the bus..she knew he wouldn't be on there and was hoping to wait at the house for tht response from Kaine.

[Wyks]

Just wondering if you guys noticed that the town James went to live in, with his biodad, is the same town mentioned in the article that Klaas posted, back on page 14. 

Roseburg 3rd-grade teacher faces 500 child porn charges

Yes Wyks, that's why I posted that Roseburg story on the porn charges.  I'm sure one has nothing to do with the other but interesting none the less.

Agreed.  Am thinking what a sinking feeling it must have been to know one's loved one had been sent to that area, then that was discovered. 

And then, thinking in terms of the folks who live in that area, what a shock that had to have been.  A third grade teacher!  Would make me want to consider home-schooling in a fast hurry.  We trust our schools and those who teach our children.  Sigh. 

[flutter1]

Where's Kyron?

Oh Brandi that is just precious! I Love It!!!
btw
 Hi *waving* long time...hope all is well with you.

Love it:)  Especially the lil' frog watching over him.

[seahorse]

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/

LK may cover KH

[d in texas]

I really must learn when entering the room in the evening be sure and go back to the page you were at last night... reading I was thinking to myself "wait, this didn't happen last night" then I realize I skipped the days events...be back to the evening discussion soon...
You are all great I get so much more "real and complete information" from SM than trying to catch up on JVM or NG...

[New Monkey]

Actually..if you read this closely..Kaine is only saying she is there when he gets home, around 2 pm, on the computer.   In other transcripts he goes on to say he put the shoes on the baby and they walked to the bus spot to greet Kyron..with Terri later following behind.

This means one of two things or both..either Terri left the house when Kaine came home and returned right before the bus was to arrive...or Terri was reluctant to meet the bus..she knew he wouldn't be on there and was hoping to wait at the house for tht response from Kaine.

ITA with what you've posted here. I think she's not a good enough actress to pull off feigning shock when Kyron doesn't get off the bus. . . if the press conference she attended is any indication of her actressing.

[Tracygirl]

Can someone please post how LE tracked down this landscaper?

TIA

[klaasend]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html


Kyron’s mom pleas with Terri to do ‘what is right’

By KATU.com Staff
Story Published: Jul 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM PDT


MEDFORD, Ore. - In a taped statement from Medford, Ore. Tuesday Kyron’s biological mother once again called on his stepmother, Terri Horman, to cooperate with the investigation.

Watch Desiree's statement


“Terri, you need to do what is right,” said Desiree Young. “Not for me, not for Tony, not for Kaine, not even for Kyron. You need to do it for Kiara (Kaine and Terri’s 19-month-old daughter), because she needs to see that you did the right thing to help bring her brother home.”

This story is in progress and will be updated . . .

[Gypsy DD]

Can someone please post how LE tracked down this landscaper?

TIA

I don't think anyone can post that for you Tracygirl because LE has not shared that peice of info.  I would think they have had mutiple sources that have varified that info before they would have even gone to him to question him..he did not step forward..LE went to him.

Without other collaborating info the judge would not have issued the restrictive type of RO that was issued.

[Gypsy DD]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html


Kyron’s mom pleas with Terri to do ‘what is right’

By KATU.com Staff
Story Published: Jul 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM PDT


MEDFORD, Ore. - In a taped statement from Medford, Ore. Tuesday Kyron’s biological mother once again called on his stepmother, Terri Horman, to cooperate with the investigation.

Watch Desiree's statement



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“Terri, you need to do what is right,” said Desiree Young. “Not for me, not for Tony, not for Kaine, not even for Kyron. You need to do it for Kiara (Kaine and Terri’s 19-month-old daughter), because she needs to see that you did the right thing to help bring her brother home.”

This story is in progress and will be updated . . .

TY Klaasend..Terri has got to step up...she won't though..anymore then Drew Peterson, Scott Peterson or Casey Anthony have..they all think they are untouchable.

[Gypsy DD]

My apologies Klaasend..I got in the middle of your post..I am so sorry..don't want to mess naything up with this case.