Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #3 7/5/10 - 7/8/10

[NCSunny]

Interesting posts at OregonLive.com by 'Sincerelyours'.  Here are the posts all on one page.  Supposedly lives in Arizona, yet has local 'info', including about the gardner and the 'Phyllis' some are talking about on the net.  Supposedly has known Terri's parents for 10 years.  Posts on this page go in order from the bottom of page up:

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/rosecitybluessinger/index.html



   

Evening Monkeys & welcome to Titch!

TY Wyks for the article, I found this very interesting - 'The police do not want anyone to know, she had her little girl with her when they were at the science fair. It might look odd, if she really had done something to him for the little one to be present.'

We have all been wondering where Kitty was. If this is true, it does put SM in an entirely different light [for me anyway.]

Hope everyone had a safe and memorable 4th!

[New Monkey]

Can I post info I found on James Kelley - birthdate 7.13.59? 

I'm not sure why we need to dig up information on Kelley.  He sounds like a good witness to an unusual even and appeared to be forthcoming with his info.

I do believe it's important to see the location of his house and where the white truck was seen by him though.

Gotcha.  Thanks.

[ospainter]

From the article I posted:

I think that this case is destined to be a made-for-TV movie," Jensen said. "It is one of the strangest cases that I've seen in 30 years."

OS

[cw618]

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Tracygirl
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   Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #2 6/30/10 - 7/5/10
« Reply #1971 on: July 05, 2010, 07:07:03 PM » 

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So could the person have been waiting for someone and it has something to do with the train? can we find a schedule for the train? 
 
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the sighting may have been one of these type of co., if there is no R.R. yard
there, that means the crew were deadheaded,at their 12hr shift, train stops
at their 12hr shift, even if no yard, i worked for a co that did this back in
98, 2x i had to drive remote no turn around and back out where i was about a
 mile and going down hill, not steep though, at 2-3 am
http://www.railcrewxpress.com/aboutus.php

http://railtex.us/limo/

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[Tracygirl]

Interesting posts at OregonLive.com by 'Sincerelyours'.  Here are the posts all on one page.  Supposedly lives in Arizona, yet has local 'info', including about the gardner and the 'Phyllis' some are talking about on the net.  Supposedly has known Terri's parents for 10 years.  Posts on this page go in order from the bottom of page up:

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/rosecitybluessinger/index.html



   

Evening Monkeys & welcome to Titch!

TY Wyks for the article, I found this very interesting - 'The police do not want anyone to know, she had her little girl with her when they were at the science fair. It might look odd, if she really had done something to him for the little one to be present.'

We have all been wondering where Kitty was. If this is true, it does put SM in an entirely different light [for me anyway.]

Hope everyone had a safe and memorable 4th!

If true that Terri had her daughter with her then I really do doubt she would do anything infront of her.

[Tracygirl]

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Tracygirl
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   Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #2 6/30/10 - 7/5/10
« Reply #1971 on: July 05, 2010, 07:07:03 PM » 

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So could the person have been waiting for someone and it has something to do with the train? can we find a schedule for the train? 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
the sighting may have been one of these type of co., if there is no R.R. yard
there, that means the crew were deadheaded,at their 12hr shift, train stops
at their 12hr shift, even if no yard, i worked for a co that did this back in
98, 2x i had to drive remote no turn around and back out where i was about a
 mile and going down hill, not steep though, at 2-3 am
http://www.railcrewxpress.com/aboutus.php

http://railtex.us/limo/

search
train crew limo service

Not really what I was thinking but very well could be! Thanks for posting! How do we find out if this is what could have been happening? When do the 12 hour shifts begin and end?

[Rob]

yanno, I'm still not there yet. It doesn't usually take alot for me to think someone is guilty of a crime. Heck, I usually start out thinking they have committed a crime and then try to prove they didn't. I know, lol, strange.

But I'm not convinced that Terri was having an affair with this landscaper. Only one person called this relationship an affair / lover. Everyone else has it simply a murder for hire plot - even the woman that broke the story for the Oregonian said that on a FOX interview today. No one has call this guy her lover. Well, one person has. But no one else yet to my knowledge.

Do I think Terri is or was having an affair - yep. But I don't know who with yet. She cheated on her first husband - or maybe that was husband number two - either way - she cheated before. She was probably cheating again. You know the ole story. Once a blah blah blah...

I don't like Terri - she drives like a lunatic, probably with kids in the car - and she was DUI'd with James in the car. But I have a hard time putting all this together as a kidnapping the step son / kill the husband plot just yet. I think she is a jackass. I'm just not sure that her previous record gets to killing a lil boy / killing her husband or some type of convoluted criminal conspiracy. She sure has two faces - no doubt about that.

We keep digging up more stuff and maybe eventually there will be that lynch pin that tells me Terri did do all this. But for now - still on the fence. Just for the record - I am in no way defending Terri - I could care less about her, but I do worry badly for Kyron.

[New Monkey]

A Michael P Harney also had a restraining order filed in 2005 in Oregon.  This guy is no stranger to the law.  Lots of stuff on him.  Although, I guess, if I am understanding correctly, in Oregon when someone files for a divorce a RO is typical?

[cw618]

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Tracygirl
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   Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #2 6/30/10 - 7/5/10
« Reply #1971 on: July 05, 2010, 07:07:03 PM » 

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So could the person have been waiting for someone and it has something to do with the train? can we find a schedule for the train? 
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
the sighting may have been one of these type of co., if there is no R.R. yard
there, that means the crew were deadheaded,at their 12hr shift, train stops
at their 12hr shift, even if no yard, i worked for a co that did this back in
98, 2x i had to drive remote no turn around and back out where i was about a
 mile and going down hill, not steep though, at 2-3 am
http://www.railcrewxpress.com/aboutus.php

http://railtex.us/limo/

search
train crew limo service

Not really what I was thinking but very well could be! Thanks for posting! How do we find out if this is what could have been happening? When do the 12 hour shifts begin and end?

which ever train co. that owns/leases out use of those tracks
check there freight/and or if Amtrak uses them their schedules

[klaasend]

A Michael P Harney also had a restraining order filed in 2005 in Oregon.  This guy is no stranger to the law.  Lots of stuff on him.  Although, I guess, if I am understanding correctly, in Oregon when someone files for a divorce a RO is typical?

From experience, often if not most of the time, when two people get divorced it's not a happy time.  Often they are fighting.  Not unusual for RO to be issued but I don't know if it's standard in Oregon.

[Rob]

Michael P Harney Facebook Info page. I didn't highlight anything. Also, with FB, I sometimes need to remove Tool bars to get the whole shot - so this time I tried ctrl + (-) minus and hopefully this is still legible.

[doubledecker]

ok time to go look at michael harney's photos... I want to see his arms  and the back of his clothes  LOL

[Rob]

Interesting posts at OregonLive.com by 'Sincerelyours'.  Here are the posts all on one page.  Supposedly lives in Arizona, yet has local 'info', including about the gardner and the 'Phyllis' some are talking about on the net.  Supposedly has known Terri's parents for 10 years.  Posts on this page go in order from the bottom of page up:

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/rosecitybluessinger/index.html



   

Evening Monkeys & welcome to Titch!

TY Wyks for the article, I found this very interesting - 'The police do not want anyone to know, she had her little girl with her when they were at the science fair. It might look odd, if she really had done something to him for the little one to be present.'

We have all been wondering where Kitty was. If this is true, it does put SM in an entirely different light [for me anyway.]

Hope everyone had a safe and memorable 4th!

If true that Terri had her daughter with her then I really do doubt she would do anything infront of her.

I would be wayyyy less inclined to believe she did something to Kyron with her daughter there - that would be off the charts whacked.

[seahorse]

Thank-you, Titch,

Is SM the only Child?

T.Y.

Can you believe I didn't even think of that? I have no idea... Once I got a bunch of stuff, I went right for Kaine's family. Sorry, anybody else know?

SM is the "Golden Child" LOL.

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.kptv.com/news/24149637/detail.html

Possible Plot Doesn't Surprise Ex-Police Capt.
Source: Terri Horman Tried To Hire Landscaper To Kill Husband

POSTED: 3:52 pm PDT July 5, 2010
UPDATED: 4:05 pm PDT July 5, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A landscaper's allegation that Terri Horman tried to hire a landscaper to kill her husband didn't come as a complete surprise to a former Portland police investigator.

Retired Portland police Capt. C.W. Jensen said the allegation that surfaced Sunday gave insight into the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

"Mostly, what it did, is it kind of opened up a little bit and gave kind of an idea of what could have been the motivation behind Kyron's disappearance," Jensen said.

A source told FOX 12 that stepmother Terri Horman offered the landscaper money several months ago as part of a possible murder-for-hire plot. The same source suggests Kaine Horman filed for divorce and restraining order last week upon learning of the allegation.

The order aims to keep Terri Horman away from the 19-month-old child she shares with Kaine Horman.

"You can't just be cavalier in asking for a restraining order," Jensen said. "You have to have very, very specific information that someone is in danger."

(Snipped)

OS

Thanks OS

My hubby's defense attorney nephew (Shhhh) is one with retired Portland police Capt. C.W. Jensen.  There has to be a credible foundation to draw on  for a judge to give an immediate approval for a restraining order which alienates a child from a parent.

Janet

[cw618]

found some rail links, if i find anything ill post

http://www.railcrewxpress.com/aboutus.php

http://railtex.us/limo/

search
train crew limo service

Oregon Pacific Railroad
http://www.oregonpacificrr.com/

Welcome to the Rail Division
http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/RAIL/

railmap
http://www.trainweb.org/oregonshortline/railmap.htm

http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/oregon/oregon-railway-map.html

http://www.railamerica.com/home.aspx

[Rob]

A Michael P Harney also had a restraining order filed in 2005 in Oregon.  This guy is no stranger to the law.  Lots of stuff on him.  Although, I guess, if I am understanding correctly, in Oregon when someone files for a divorce a RO is typical?

From experience, often if not most of the time, when two people get divorced it's not a happy time.  Often they are fighting.  Not unusual for RO to be issued but I don't know if it's standard in Oregon.

from my personally experience there was a ticker tape parade, a 30 day bender, and a new wardrobe for me. lol

who says these things always end badly. < smirk >

[Tamikosmom]

Interesting posts at OregonLive.com by 'Sincerelyours'.  Here are the posts all on one page.  Supposedly lives in Arizona, yet has local 'info', including about the gardner and the 'Phyllis' some are talking about on the net.  Supposedly has known Terri's parents for 10 years.  Posts on this page go in order from the bottom of page up:

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/rosecitybluessinger/index.html

Evening Monkeys & welcome to Titch!

TY Wyks for the article, I found this very interesting - 'The police do not want anyone to know, she had her little girl with her when they were at the science fair. It might look odd, if she really had done something to him for the little one to be present.'

We have all been wondering where Kitty was. If this is true, it does put SM in an entirely different light [for me anyway.]

Hope everyone had a safe and memorable 4th!

If true that Terri had her daughter with her then I really do doubt she would do anything infront of her.

I agree Tracygirl.

Could Sauvie Island be that location where Terri handed Kyron over to another person?  Has Tanner's stepmother been questioned ... that stepmother who left the Island following the disappearance of Kyron?

Janet

+++++

Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/

[Brandi]

yanno, I'm still not there yet. It doesn't usually take alot for me to think someone is guilty of a crime. Heck, I usually start out thinking they have committed a crime and then try to prove they didn't. I know, lol, strange.

But I'm not convinced that Terri was having an affair with this landscaper. Only one person called this relationship an affair / lover. Everyone else has it simply a murder for hire plot - even the woman that broke the story for the Oregonian said that on a FOX interview today. No one has call this guy her lover. Well, one person has. But no one else yet to my knowledge.

Do I think Terri is or was having an affair - yep. But I don't know who with yet. She cheated on her first husband - or maybe that was husband number two - either way - she cheated before. She was probably cheating again. You know the ole story. Once a blah blah blah...

I don't like Terri - she drives like a lunatic, probably with kids in the car - and she was DUI'd with James in the car. But I have a hard time putting all this together as a kidnapping the step son / kill the husband plot just yet. I think she is a jackass. I'm just not sure that her previous record gets to killing a lil boy / killing her husband or some type of convoluted criminal conspiracy. She sure has two faces - no doubt about that.

We keep digging up more stuff and maybe eventually there will be that lynch pin that tells me Terri did do all this. But for now - still on the fence. Just for the record - I am in no way defending Terri - I could care less about her, but I do worry badly for Kyron.

I too, am not convinced there was an actual affair between the landscaper and Terri. Not yet.

Yes, she apparently cheated on husband #1:

But the marriage fizzled, Tarver says, after Moulton began cheating on him and the restaurant they owned together failed.

But I am still staying on he side of the fence that Terri had something to do with Kyron's disappearance.

[ospainter]

http://www.kptv.com/news/24149637/detail.html

Possible Plot Doesn't Surprise Ex-Police Capt.
Source: Terri Horman Tried To Hire Landscaper To Kill Husband

POSTED: 3:52 pm PDT July 5, 2010
UPDATED: 4:05 pm PDT July 5, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A landscaper's allegation that Terri Horman tried to hire a landscaper to kill her husband didn't come as a complete surprise to a former Portland police investigator.

Retired Portland police Capt. C.W. Jensen said the allegation that surfaced Sunday gave insight into the stepmother of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

"Mostly, what it did, is it kind of opened up a little bit and gave kind of an idea of what could have been the motivation behind Kyron's disappearance," Jensen said.

A source told FOX 12 that stepmother Terri Horman offered the landscaper money several months ago as part of a possible murder-for-hire plot. The same source suggests Kaine Horman filed for divorce and restraining order last week upon learning of the allegation.

The order aims to keep Terri Horman away from the 19-month-old child she shares with Kaine Horman.

"You can't just be cavalier in asking for a restraining order," Jensen said. "You have to have very, very specific information that someone is in danger."

(Snipped)

OS

Thanks OS

My hubby's defense attorney nephew (Shhhh) is one with retired Portland police Capt. C.W. Jensen.  There has to be a credible foundation to draw on  for a judge to give an immediate approval for a restraining order which alienates a child from a parent.

Janet

YW Janet,

I also agree with Mr. Jensen when he said this:

"I think that this case is destined to be a made-for-TV movie," Jensen said. "It is one of the strangest cases that I've seen in 30 years."

OS