Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #3 7/5/10 - 7/8/10

[klaasend]

FYI - In the event that SM goes down and doesn't come back up for a long period of time (like an entire day), it's likely because the upgrade to the new server is being done.  It may happen this week.  Don't have an exact date yet but thought I'd give you all the heads up.

[New Monkey]

Thank you!

[Peace]

Klaas, I have no problem with a sealed RO with directives to not speak about the details. I do however have a huge problem with LE putting out the details to which Terri cannot respond or be in contempt. It is placing suspicion on her solely in the public eye without her being able to speak against those accusing her. It is IMO holding a public trial with LE pointing at her saying she's guilty without her being indicted.
I want Kyron found as much as everyone else, but according to the laws of our great country, no one's rights trump anothers. Yes, we certainly have challenges with that in investigations, I agree wholeheartedly, but I am unwilling to see our Bill of Rights thrown out the window. The were put in place to protect people as with all of our due process procedures. 
This circus of accusing her without formally charging her is wrong. Speculation by outsiders is one thing, but LE making statements about Terri hiring a LS hitman is wrong until she is formally charged with a crime. They are holding trial in the court of public opinion without due process. I will have faith that something far greater is going on here, but if not, I will be completely disgusted with such actions as will others who support Constitutional rights. We have a system of checks and balances that must be adhered to for our justice system to function to the best of it's ability.
This woman now faces lynch-mob minded people should she try to go anywhere. She is a prisoner at this point. Look at some of the extremists out there and what they are saying about her. All without hard proof or she would have been arrested by now.

[no rose colored glasses]

Klaas, I have no problem with a sealed RO with directives to not speak about the details. I do however have a huge problem with LE putting out the details to which Terri cannot respond or be in contempt. It is placing suspicion on her solely in the public eye without her being able to speak against those accusing her. It is IMO holding a public trial with LE pointing at her saying she's guilty without her being indicted.
I want Kyron found as much as everyone else, but according to the laws of our great country, no one's rights trump anothers. Yes, we certainly have challenges with that in investigations, I agree wholeheartedly, but I am unwilling to see our Bill of Rights thrown out the window. The were put in place to protect people as with all of our due process procedures. 
This circus of accusing her without formally charging her is wrong. Speculation by outsiders is one thing, but LE making statements about Terri hiring a LS hitman is wrong until she is formally charged with a crime. They are holding trial in the court of public opinion without due process. I will have faith that something far greater is going on here, but if not, I will be completely disgusted with such actions as will others who support Constitutional rights. We have a system of checks and balances that must be adhered to for our justice system to function to the best of it's ability.
This woman now faces lynch-mob minded people should she try to go anywhere. She is a prisoner at this point. Look at some of the extremists out there and what they are saying about her. All without hard proof or she would have been arrested by now.

I feel the exact same way.

[Gypsy DD]

Terri had called the police apparently when this landscaper person approached her to demand 10,000 as payment...Isn't he sort of implicating himself with this statement? Isn't he sort of saying he did something to receive 10 grand? It seems fair to consider the different reactions a person can have to this.

A person guilty, I would think would say, hush, don't be so loud..I will get you the money as soon as I can. Have you seen what has been going on lately? Everyone is watching and if you don't want to get arrested, shut the hell up.

Or I suppose a guilty person covering would say, what are you talking about, get out of here before I call the police. You are crazy and I have no idea what you are talking about. I would think the guilty person would just walk away or go into the house and then try to tell everyone around them that this person is just looking for attention and shrug it off. They wouldn't call the police who are already looking at you because this person could implicate you into what you are trying to get away with.

I would think a person who is not guilty would actually call the police, identify the person, give the license plate because in doing so is not going to implicate them. She called 911, that to me says alot.

You all don't have to agree with me, that is ok. We all bring our ideas to the table.

Yes he is implicating himself at this point.  He didn't go to LE ..LE came to him.

He, in my opinion, is only the middle man..the finder of the person to do this deed.

I don't think the sting ever had a chance of working..but it was LE's only shot at getting her to talk.  She was not honest in her lie detector answers..she was not honest about her where abouts June 4th....so I think this was their last hope..and it didn't work.  But they had to try all avenues.

I would think a person who is not guilty would not have even acknowledged he was there.  The no tresspassing signs went up on the property prior to this.  Her husband is not home, she is fairly isolated....so why was she even speaking with him..I would think she would have called LE before the conversation even started. 

[Miki Monkey]

Klaas, I have no problem with a sealed RO with directives to not speak about the details. I do however have a huge problem with LE putting out the details to which Terri cannot respond or be in contempt. It is placing suspicion on her solely in the public eye without her being able to speak against those accusing her. It is IMO holding a public trial with LE pointing at her saying she's guilty without her being indicted.
I want Kyron found as much as everyone else, but according to the laws of our great country, no one's rights trump anothers. Yes, we certainly have challenges with that in investigations, I agree wholeheartedly, but I am unwilling to see our Bill of Rights thrown out the window. The were put in place to protect people as with all of our due process procedures. 
This circus of accusing her without formally charging her is wrong. Speculation by outsiders is one thing, but LE making statements about Terri hiring a LS hitman is wrong until she is formally charged with a crime. They are holding trial in the court of public opinion without due process. I will have faith that something far greater is going on here, but if not, I will be completely disgusted with such actions as will others who support Constitutional rights. We have a system of checks and balances that must be adhered to for our justice system to function to the best of it's ability.
This woman now faces lynch-mob minded people should she try to go anywhere. She is a prisoner at this point. Look at some of the extremists out there and what they are saying about her. All without hard proof or she would have been arrested by now.

I feel the exact same way.

Agreed well stated.

[Tracygirl]

Klaas, I have no problem with a sealed RO with directives to not speak about the details. I do however have a huge problem with LE putting out the details to which Terri cannot respond or be in contempt. It is placing suspicion on her solely in the public eye without her being able to speak against those accusing her. It is IMO holding a public trial with LE pointing at her saying she's guilty without her being indicted.
I want Kyron found as much as everyone else, but according to the laws of our great country, no one's rights trump anothers. Yes, we certainly have challenges with that in investigations, I agree wholeheartedly, but I am unwilling to see our Bill of Rights thrown out the window. The were put in place to protect people as with all of our due process procedures. 
This circus of accusing her without formally charging her is wrong. Speculation by outsiders is one thing, but LE making statements about Terri hiring a LS hitman is wrong until she is formally charged with a crime. They are holding trial in the court of public opinion without due process. I will have faith that something far greater is going on here, but if not, I will be completely disgusted with such actions as will others who support Constitutional rights. We have a system of checks and balances that must be adhered to for our justice system to function to the best of it's ability.
This woman now faces lynch-mob minded people should she try to go anywhere. She is a prisoner at this point. Look at some of the extremists out there and what they are saying about her. All without hard proof or she would have been arrested by now.

Peace I agree with you. At this point, LE needs to charge and arrest her so the process can start or they need to stop. What gets me is if there is something that comes out against Terri everyone is ready to believe it. Such is the case with said landscaper for hire, killer wanna be.  If something comes out in favor of her, Such as little Tanner, it is a lie or apart of the evil plan...she has already been found guilty for this crime without a trial.   

[Gypsy DD]

Klaas, I have no problem with a sealed RO with directives to not speak about the details. I do however have a huge problem with LE putting out the details to which Terri cannot respond or be in contempt. It is placing suspicion on her solely in the public eye without her being able to speak against those accusing her. It is IMO holding a public trial with LE pointing at her saying she's guilty without her being indicted.
I want Kyron found as much as everyone else, but according to the laws of our great country, no one's rights trump anothers. Yes, we certainly have challenges with that in investigations, I agree wholeheartedly, but I am unwilling to see our Bill of Rights thrown out the window. The were put in place to protect people as with all of our due process procedures. 
This circus of accusing her without formally charging her is wrong. Speculation by outsiders is one thing, but LE making statements about Terri hiring a LS hitman is wrong until she is formally charged with a crime. They are holding trial in the court of public opinion without due process. I will have faith that something far greater is going on here, but if not, I will be completely disgusted with such actions as will others who support Constitutional rights. We have a system of checks and balances that must be adhered to for our justice system to function to the best of it's ability.
This woman now faces lynch-mob minded people should she try to go anywhere. She is a prisoner at this point. Look at some of the extremists out there and what they are saying about her. All without hard proof or she would have been arrested by now.

It was a leak that the LS , a hit on Kevin, etc was what happened.  A leak.

I feel LE has bent over backwards trying to keep rumors quiet, playing this close to their chest.  They did not want to release this...the point is it was leaked by someone.

Once it was leaked they had no other recourse.  Notice they have continually ssai Terri is cooperative, etc.  They have been very fair to Terri.

[Brandi]

FYI - In the event that SM goes down and doesn't come back up for a long period of time (like an entire day), it's likely because the upgrade to the new server is being done.  It may happen this week.  Don't have an exact date yet but thought I'd give you all the heads up.

Thanks, Klaas.

The downtime will be worth it, IMO

[klaasend]

Gypsy - I agree, I think LE has been more than fair to Terri

[Wyks]

Statement Analysis Guy:

Kyron's Family Q&A

Tuesday, July 06, 2010

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

He's been a busy guy this month!  Already has 11 posts, the majority having to do with this case, and it's only the 6th day of June, lol.  See those links to the right of his page. 

[Tracygirl]

Terri had called the police apparently when this landscaper person approached her to demand 10,000 as payment...Isn't he sort of implicating himself with this statement? Isn't he sort of saying he did something to receive 10 grand? It seems fair to consider the different reactions a person can have to this.

A person guilty, I would think would say, hush, don't be so loud..I will get you the money as soon as I can. Have you seen what has been going on lately? Everyone is watching and if you don't want to get arrested, shut the hell up.

Or I suppose a guilty person covering would say, what are you talking about, get out of here before I call the police. You are crazy and I have no idea what you are talking about. I would think the guilty person would just walk away or go into the house and then try to tell everyone around them that this person is just looking for attention and shrug it off. They wouldn't call the police who are already looking at you because this person could implicate you into what you are trying to get away with.

I would think a person who is not guilty would actually call the police, identify the person, give the license plate because in doing so is not going to implicate them. She called 911, that to me says alot.

You all don't have to agree with me, that is ok. We all bring our ideas to the table.

Yes he is implicating himself at this point.  He didn't go to LE ..LE came to him.

He, in my opinion, is only the middle man..the finder of the person to do this deed.

I don't think the sting ever had a chance of working..but it was LE's only shot at getting her to talk.  She was not honest in her lie detector answers..she was not honest about her where abouts June 4th....so I think this was their last hope..and it didn't work.  But they had to try all avenues.

I would think a person who is not guilty would not have even acknowledged he was there.  The no tresspassing signs went up on the property prior to this.  Her husband is not home, she is fairly isolated....so why was she even speaking with him..I would think she would have called LE before the conversation even started. 

Why did LE not arrest this man who implicated himself in this way? He was asking for 10 grand for what exactly? By doing such he was saying he had done something that required payment, what did he do exactly?  Kaine is alive. Was it for Kyron? In my opinion, once he asked Terri for the money and if he told LE he was hired to do something to Kyron, LE would have arrested him if they believed this was actually the plan. There is nothing to think about, nothing to consider it is illegal to hire someone to kidnap your step son and/or kill your husband. In this admission is he saying he took Kyron? Does this man know where Kyron is?
What kind of man is this anyway? He is saying a person actually came to him to hire him to kill someone. To me it is not someone I would easily believe and I would question if they are telling the entire truth. For me that answer is, I am suspicious of him and do not trust him. He could be a total wack job who knew Terri and put this plan together for some reason we don't know.
I think we are just looking at this from different angles. I respect your opinion, that is all we have right now, our opinions.

[Tracygirl]

FYI - In the event that SM goes down and doesn't come back up for a long period of time (like an entire day), it's likely because the upgrade to the new server is being done.  It may happen this week.  Don't have an exact date yet but thought I'd give you all the heads up.

Thanks, Klaas.

The downtime will be worth it, IMO

Maybe I can get some work done! Good think I am the boss, I would hate to have an employee that spend the day on the computer, lol.

[Wyks]

Am quite positive that no matter how long the upgrade to a new server takes, we will STILL be wayyyyy ahead of the likes of NG, when it comes back up.   

[klaasend]

O/T but in the local papers

http://www.katu.com/news/local/97876029.html




Roseburg 3rd-grade teacher faces 500 child porn charges

by KPIC.com Staff

Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/97876029.html

ROSEBURG, Ore. – Police arrested an elementary school teacher Sunday, charging him of 500 criminal counts stemming from child porn officers said they found on his computer.

Steven Derlacki, 28, of Roseburg was arrested Sunday afternoon. The arrests came after a July 4 tip police received that Derlacki may have files containing child pornography on his laptop computer.

Derlacki is employed as a third-grade teacher at Fullerton IV Elementary. Roseburg school officials confirmed Tuesday morning that the case is under investigation by the school district as well.

Police arrested Derlacki on 500 counts of "first degree encouraging the sexual abuse of a child."

Police said that officers contacted Derlacki at his residence and got consent to search the files on the computer. Police said they discovered more than 500 files containing images or video of children involved in sexual activity.

Police seized the computer, and Derlacki was arrested. He is lodged in the Douglas County Jail and is being held on $9.5 million bail.

The investigators said that they believe all the images and files were not of local children; instead the images allegedly were obtained via the Internet.

[Miki Monkey]

Quote from: newfie on July 06, 2010, 11:06:02 AM
If you lie to LE about your whereabouts, what else are you lying about? If you are capable of hiring a murder for hire, what else are you capable of?

The optimum word being IF! I don't know she is lying, she hasn't said anything yet, she has neither confirmed nor denied anything. She cooperated up until the time the police bought in the lawnmower man and told her she was a suspect. She got herself a lawyer at that point, I think that's a pretty normal reaction, nothing is confirmed in this case yet. I think we should wait until she is arrested and charged or her lawyer makes a statement on her behalf.

[islandmonkey]

Terri had called the police apparently when this landscaper person approached her to demand 10,000 as payment...Isn't he sort of implicating himself with this statement? Isn't he sort of saying he did something to receive 10 grand? It seems fair to consider the different reactions a person can have to this.

A person guilty, I would think would say, hush, don't be so loud..I will get you the money as soon as I can. Have you seen what has been going on lately? Everyone is watching and if you don't want to get arrested, shut the hell up.

Or I suppose a guilty person covering would say, what are you talking about, get out of here before I call the police. You are crazy and I have no idea what you are talking about. I would think the guilty person would just walk away or go into the house and then try to tell everyone around them that this person is just looking for attention and shrug it off. They wouldn't call the police who are already looking at you because this person could implicate you into what you are trying to get away with.

I would think a person who is not guilty would actually call the police, identify the person, give the license plate because in doing so is not going to implicate them. She called 911, that to me says alot.

You all don't have to agree with me, that is ok. We all bring our ideas to the table.

I tend to agree with you, also I wonder if he wasn't possibly trying to extort her for $$ to keep quiet about the affair. So many possibilities in this case that I am looking for Valium Kitty

[klaasend]

Terri had called the police apparently when this landscaper person approached her to demand 10,000 as payment...Isn't he sort of implicating himself with this statement? Isn't he sort of saying he did something to receive 10 grand? It seems fair to consider the different reactions a person can have to this.

A person guilty, I would think would say, hush, don't be so loud..I will get you the money as soon as I can. Have you seen what has been going on lately? Everyone is watching and if you don't want to get arrested, shut the hell up.

Or I suppose a guilty person covering would say, what are you talking about, get out of here before I call the police. You are crazy and I have no idea what you are talking about. I would think the guilty person would just walk away or go into the house and then try to tell everyone around them that this person is just looking for attention and shrug it off. They wouldn't call the police who are already looking at you because this person could implicate you into what you are trying to get away with.

I would think a person who is not guilty would actually call the police, identify the person, give the license plate because in doing so is not going to implicate them. She called 911, that to me says alot.

You all don't have to agree with me, that is ok. We all bring our ideas to the table.

I tend to agree with you, also I wonder if he wasn't possibly trying to extort her for $$ to keep quiet about the affair. So many possibilities in this case that I am looking for Valium Kitty

[klaasend]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Family-struggles-through-days-without-Kyron-97874614.html



Family describes struggle without Kyron

by Teresa Blackman, kgw.com staff

kgw.com

Posted on July 6, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Updated today at 12:40 PM

PORTLAND -- The covers and sheets on Kyron Horman's bed are still ruffled from the last time he slept at his mother's house in Medford; she can't bear to make the bed since the horrible day she learned that her sweet and timid young son had disappeared.

"I still have his laundry laid out and his bed not made because I can't bring myself to make his bed. I like to see that it looks slept in," Desiree Young said in a statement sent to the media Monday.

Kyron's father, Kaine Horman said he had family friends come over and they all played in Kyron's bedroom "to fill it with love and happy noises... exactly as he would want if he would have been there with us."

Kaine said the room at his house also remains unchanged for the most part, except for the gifts from other children waiting to be put in Kyron's arms on the day the family has been praying for - the day Kyron comes home.

"We haven't been given any information by law enforcement to indicate he isn't still alive and therefore we will always expect that he will come home to us," Kyron and Desiree said in the prepared statement.

Kyron has been missing for more than a month now. This past holiday weekend, he was supposed to be on a special trip with Kaine in California; visiting friends, swimming, playing mini-golf, going to the water slides, and watching fireworks - some of his favorite ways to pass the time with dad.

But instead, Kaine, Desiree and her husband, Tony Young spent July 4th re-living special memories of past Independance Days.

"Kyron doesn't like real loud noises and so he generally is kind of timid when it comes to celebrating the 4th of July, but the main thing that I missed was Kyron sitting on my lap for the entire show. I always tell him he is just making sure that I am not afraid," she said.

"He likes the lights and colors but not the noises and will often sit and watch with his ears covered," Kaine added. "Kyron enjoys the food and barbeque that we usually do and we usually play outside most of the day, which he loves to do."

Kaine's most vivid memory, which he hangs on to every day, was the last time he saw Kyron on the morning of June 4. His son was getting ready to go to a science fair at school and Kaine was preparing to leave for work.

"I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair... and then I said, 'I love you.' He said, 'I love you too, Dad,' at which point we hugged, and then he went into the house as I got into the car and left," Kaine recalled.

"While I have not seen him since, that moment in time is still etched in my mind as if it just happened and is a constant reminder of the joy of having him as a son."

[Wyks]

Skeered to post.. lol.. thinking it's gonna bounce me out into not so greener pastures.