Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #3 7/5/10 - 7/8/10

[Gypsy DD]

DELAYED FISHING TRIP

Missing boy's mom makes new appeal to stepmother
7/6/2010

Young also revealed that the day her son disappeared, his stepmother was supposed to drive him to Eugene to turn him over to his mother and stepfather to spend the weekend in Medford.

Tony Young said he was going to take the boy on a long-delayed fishing trip with the rod the stepfather had given him for Christmas.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38101696/ns/us_news/

I'm also real curious about the trip that Kaine and Kyron were going to take to CA around the 4th. It sounded to me like just the two of them, if that is the case, maybe that is part of what Terri was also being revengeful about.

I agree Terri is responsible and LE has other evidence against her..timelines for that day not adding up, two different teachers saying they saw Kyron leaving school with her that day, etc.

I also didn't know what to make of Kaine's way of phrasing the California trip.  It could be it was a special vacation just for he and Kyron, and Terri din't even want to go with them fishing, camping etc.  It could also be that Terri was not wanting to go because Kyron grated on her nerves.  Or it could be the whole family was going, but after Kaine found out about the death threat he had no intention of including her in any discussions of family plans with the media.

I think Terri did this..I'm just not sure of her motive.  Seems she was ridding herself of male fmily members.  She tries to get a hit on Kaine, moves her teenage son out of the house, and now Kyron is missing....I wonder if all three actions are related. 

[klaasend]

This is the picture I am talking about the difference from then to now....

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs348.snc4/41522_1264414625_4984_n.jpg

Yes, she looks much better in that picture, I agree. And I am willing to bet that was taken around Nov or December last year.

IMO he had no right to make her son leave..

How do we know HE made her son leave? 

[Peace]

Maybe I just can't wrap my head around TH being capable of killing a child she raised, maybe I am just naive.  With that said JMO here: Think way too much is put into the DUI/DWI, tickets, speeding etc. That was over 10 years ago, sorry some people are just plain luckier than others when young and drinking and driving, I will speak for myself here but 10-15 years ago I was young, liked to go out, liked to drink, and yes drove while drinking, never got caught, yet have a friend that got caught.  I have only had two speeding tickets in my life, have friends who drive fast and have a LOT of tickets. 
I may be missing something here but how does speeding equal road rage?  And I do not in ANY WAY condone driving and drinking much less with your child in the car but sure we have all mad dumb mistakes.

Another question someone said earlier that Desiree has stated Terri Hormon and her were not friends as has been stated in the media releases when she got sick, where did that come from.

I hope FOX gets the RO released, I don't buy the Murder For Hire landscaper, I really don't, I just find it so unfair for the police to say yes she is cooperating, the family say no she needs to cooperate, this woman if she is guilty she will get whats she deserves BUT what if she isn't.  I still don't like the dad in this whole thing, something about him is missing.
I also don't understand Desiree she seems stable, her husband is a police officer, why wasn't Kaine back with her, if not full time at least half of the time?  A mother who is sick and has to go to Canada for treatment wouldn't lose her custody rights, and when she got better (she seems healthy) why didn't she take more time with Kyron? 
OHHHH so many questons....
thanks everybody just trying to keep everything straight here...

Hi D in Texas,
I am feeling exactly as you right now. I just cannot fathom TH harming that adorable boy. I have a tendency to pull for the underdog and boy is TH the underdog. She did most of the work raising this little boy, suspected her husband of having an affair while she was at home taking care of their children. She worked in his classroom, helped him with his homework. Now she has been ousted and the absentee biological mom is in the spotlight and the biological father is appearing to do nothing at all in the search efforts for his son. I just cannot wrap my mind around TH being stupid enough to hire the landscaper and then calling the cops on him when he shows up at her house. I am probably all wrong about TH

Glad to see you here Sebastian. I enjoy reading your views. I concur, although I think bio-mom is a victim of circumstance in the custody of Kyron.

[Gypsy DD]

This is the picture I am talking about the difference from then to now....

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs348.snc4/41522_1264414625_4984_n.jpg

Yes, she looks much better in that picture, I agree. And I am willing to bet that was taken around Nov or December last year.

IMO he had no right to make her son leave..

IMO Blonde that is the excuse Terri gave..Kaine has not commented on that, that I have seen.. I could have missed it though.  Terri also wrote in FB that his grades had fallen and he was having other issues...who knows..but at this point I take everything Terri has said with a grain of salt.

[Claycat]

That could very well be the case, Gypsy!

I don't think she wanted her son to leave.  If I had remarried before my son was grown, and my husband tried to send him away, I would take my son and leave.  In a case like that, your child comes first.  Of course, she had her daughter to worry about, too. 

Someone earlier said maybe Kyron was her revenge for her son being sent away.  I rejected that idea, but maybe that is the case.  She obviously wasn't thinking rationally by that point in time.

[Claycat]

This is all so confusing, maybe I should let my brain rest and stop trying to figure it out! 

[no rose colored glasses]

This is the picture I am talking about the difference from then to now....

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs348.snc4/41522_1264414625_4984_n.jpg

Yes, she looks much better in that picture, I agree. And I am willing to bet that was taken around Nov or December last year.

IMO he had no right to make her son leave..

I totally agree with that.  Sure would like to know more about that situation, except for the head butting comment, makes no sense, all teenagers and parents have issues like that. I think there is more to this.

[Peace]

"I agree Terri is responsible and LE has other evidence against her..timelines for that day not adding up, two different teachers saying they saw Kyron leaving school with her that day, etc."

Well we know who won't be picked for jury duty.
I believe it was reported teachers THOUGHT she left with Kyron.
What teenage boy with a love for horses wouldn't want to live on a horse farm?

The sting as it was reported does sound moronic, but what if they were trying to assess the amount of familiarity Terri had with this man? Did she react as if she knew him? Did she wonder who the heck he was when he showed up? Perhaps it was not so much to entrap Terri, because having a stranger there by his side would not be a good way to make this happen. Perhaps it was more of an opportunity to observe their interraction. A behaviorist doing so would be able to tell a lot from body language and the entire exchange of words. They know facial expressions and eyes and how one looks when being deceptive. She could not have known that the other man was a detective, as she called police, so it didn't necessarily get foiled because she detected a sting. If she detected a sting, I would think her actions would be to curl up in a ball and think out what to do next. That is not to say that the two did not conspire. We don't know how that interraction went. Just trying to look at all angles here.

[Tracygirl]

This case is just too out of control. So many assumptions, rumors and personal opinions that turn into "facts" it is difficult to keep everything straight. It has turned into a circus at this point.

[Tamikosmom]

That could very well be the case, Gypsy!

I don't think she wanted her son to leave.  If I had remarried before my son was grown, and my husband tried to send him away, I would take my son and leave.  In a case like that, your child comes first.  Of course, she had her daughter to worry about, too. 

Someone earlier said maybe Kyron was her revenge for her son being sent away.  I rejected that idea, but maybe that is the case.  She obviously wasn't thinking rationally by that point in time.

We have no idea what the circumstances were in regards to James leaving the home to live with his grandparents.  Inquiring minds would sure like to know.

What gives me a hinky feeling is the timing ... two months prior to the end of the school term.

Janet

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Irreconcilable
The Kyron Horman case: An interview with Terri Moulton Horman’s first ex-husband.

Moulton kept custody of James, and Tarver saw the boy regularly on weekends—but recently, James left his mother’s home to live with his maternal grandparents in Roseburg.

Until then James had been living with his mother and Kaine Horman off Cornelius Pass Road in unincorporated Multnomah County. Also sharing the house was Kyron, who is Kaine Horman’s son from his first marriage, and Kiara, the couple’s 18-month-old daughter.

After Kyron vanished, the reasons why James left his home and friends in Portland to move to Southern Oregon have been the subject of intense speculation. Terri Moulton Horman declined to comment when WW visited her home June 23.

James was a student at Lincoln High School in Portland, where he was on the swim team and played trumpet in the school band. Tarver says Terri Moulton Horman sent the boy to Roseburg in March this year because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/

[KittyMom]

I've got a friend whose son chose to go live with his father at the age of 12.  Kids can do that here.  He had reached an age where he needed more space than he was getting in his mom and stepfather's home.  He has a sister that is two years younger and halfbrothers that are 8 years younger.  His dad had a newborn.  He was at an age where he didn't want his younger siblings in his things and was tired of being followed around by them.  It broke his mother's heart but what could she do?  He is thriving now.  Grades are improved, attitude is improved, and he's happier.  It's not that he didn't like his younger siblings, he just needed space.  Blended families can sometimes be tricky.  He may stay with his father until he leaves home or he may move back in with his mother at some point.  His living arrangements willl change as the situation changes.  That's life.  We don't know what the situation was with James.  Maybe it was something similiar. 

[Tracygirl]

"I agree Terri is responsible and LE has other evidence against her..timelines for that day not adding up, two different teachers saying they saw Kyron leaving school with her that day, etc."

Well we know who won't be picked for jury duty.
I believe it was reported teachers THOUGHT she left with Kyron.
What teenage boy with a love for horses wouldn't want to live on a horse farm?

The sting as it was reported does sound moronic, but what if they were trying to assess the amount of familiarity Terri had with this man? Did she react as if she knew him? Did she wonder who the heck he was when he showed up? Perhaps it was not so much to entrap Terri, because having a stranger there by his side would not be a good way to make this happen. Perhaps it was more of an opportunity to observe their interraction. A behaviorist doing so would be able to tell a lot from body language and the entire exchange of words. They know facial expressions and eyes and how one looks when being deceptive. She could not have known that the other man was a detective, as she called police, so it didn't necessarily get foiled because she detected a sting. If she detected a sting, I would think her actions would be to curl up in a ball and think out what to do next. That is not to say that the two did not conspire. We don't know how that interraction went. Just trying to look at all angles here.

Peace,
Your posts are the voice of reason and I appreciate them so much. I agree very much with your assessment of Terri a few pages back as I do with what you have said here.

[Tracygirl]

I've got a friend whose son chose to go live with his father at the age of 12.  Kids can do that here.  He had reached an age where he needed more space than he was getting in his mom and stepfather's home.  He has a sister that is two years younger and halfbrothers that are 8 years younger.  His dad had a newborn.  He was at an age where he didn't want his younger siblings in his things and was tired of being followed around by them.  It broke his mother's heart but what could she do?  He is thriving now.  Grades are improved, attitude is improved, and he's happier.  It's not that he didn't like his younger siblings, he just needed space.  Blended families can sometimes be tricky.  He may stay with his father until he leaves home or he may move back in with his mother at some point.  His living arrangements willl change as the situation changes.  That's life.  We don't know what the situation was with James.  Maybe it was something similiar. 

I don't think it is all that uncommon for a teenaged boy to want to live with his dad. I expect my boys will ask for that someday. Hopefully by then their dad will be stable enough for me to say yes. The timing is strange to us, but perhaps there is a logical explanation for it.

[Tamikosmom]

This case is just too out of control. So many assumptions, rumors and personal opinions that turn into "facts" it is difficult to keep everything straight. It has turned into a circus at this point.

Tracygirl

Rumor or fact ... I find anything that is not directly related to the happenings encompassing the day Kyron Horman went missing a distraction.

The dynamics within the Horman family circle appear to be taking the focus off the morning of June 4, 2010 ... the morning when a little boy named Kyron went missing.

The chain of events encompassing the morning of June 4, 2010 do not appear to be complex.  There are pieces of the puzzle missing but the pieces which have been afforded do reveal a picture to base an investigation on and deem Terri Horman a person of interest.

Terri Horman was not forthcoming regarding her whereabouts on the day her stepson went missing.  Pressure need to be put on this woman to reveal the truth.  It should be all about Kyron not protecting the rights of a stepmother whose cell record exposed deception.

IMO

Janet

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THE MORNING OF JUNE 4, 2010

Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM

THE BACKPACK - THE COAT

Instead of taking the bus near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School.

They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog."

THE PHOTO

Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page. .....

THE WITNESSES
 
Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html


Kyron Horman disappears during Oregon school science fair
June 7, 2010

THE WITNESSES

Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together.

http://origin.ksdk.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=203651&catid=28


Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010

THE CELL PHONE RECORD

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/

[Babybear]

This case is just too out of control. So many assumptions, rumors and personal opinions that turn into "facts" it is difficult to keep everything straight. It has turned into a circus at this point.

Tracygirl, I couldn't agree more.  We have very few genuine "Facts."  Just opinions which are repeated until they become the truth.  One of the few things  we know for a fact is that Kyron went missing and Terri was the last person known to be with him.  I am certain that what Blink said on Dana's show last night was true because of her good contacts.  She verified the story of the landscaper having an affair with Terri.  She also mentioned that in her opinion Kyron's disappearance had something to do with Terri's "Lifestyle" and, again, I trust what Blink says and she wouldn't say it if she didn't have confirmation.

Other than that, we have no facts.  We don't know if Kaine made James leave.  We don't know if Terri actually did try to have Kaine killed.  We know nothing of their home life.  And while Kaine did write a letter to his fellow employees at Intel, perhaps it was at the suggestion of LE that they not speak to the media.  IMO that doesn't make him "Controlling."  He might be.  He might not be.  We have no proof.

For myself only,  I'm not willing to accuse people with no proof.

[Gypsy DD]

"I agree Terri is responsible and LE has other evidence against her..timelines for that day not adding up, two different teachers saying they saw Kyron leaving school with her that day, etc."

Well we know who won't be picked for jury duty.
I believe it was reported teachers THOUGHT she left with Kyron.
What teenage boy with a love for horses wouldn't want to live on a horse farm?

The sting as it was reported does sound moronic, but what if they were trying to assess the amount of familiarity Terri had with this man? Did she react as if she knew him? Did she wonder who the heck he was when he showed up? Perhaps it was not so much to entrap Terri, because having a stranger there by his side would not be a good way to make this happen. Perhaps it was more of an opportunity to observe their interraction. A behaviorist doing so would be able to tell a lot from body language and the entire exchange of words. They know facial expressions and eyes and how one looks when being deceptive. She could not have known that the other man was a detective, as she called police, so it didn't necessarily get foiled because she detected a sting. If she detected a sting, I would think her actions would be to curl up in a ball and think out what to do next. That is not to say that the two did not conspire. We don't know how that interraction went. Just trying to look at all angles here.

LOL..no I won't be picked for jury duty..I'm over 3000 miles away.

[Wyks]

Sebastian,
The only other thing that I am aware that Amanda wrote was a letter to the judge (I believe it was), or maybe the attorney, dunno... which I think was then sealed, regarding the daughter that had been molested by Kristian.  If you find something else said or written by Amanda, plz let us know, k?  tia

   

Hi Wyks! So nice to see you! I am confused. I thought that Kristian's ex is Stephenie Griggs Horman. Is Amanda another ex? It is hard to keep these people and their exes straight!

It's great to see you too!  Enjoy researching with ya!  Amanda is the former ex, before Stephenie.  To my knowledge, Stephenie is his current wife, haven't yet seen any divorce docs.  Seems to me she has stood by him thruout all the charges, sentencing etc.  Amanda is the mom of the girl he molested. 

Yeah, I hear ya!  For these folks we needs spreadsheets and such for the different spouses and kids in their lives! 

[Wyks]

Hi Wkys & Monkey's, guest,


Thanks for posting Kyron's work. 

If your Cat is interested (LOL) L.P. has a different intro :0)



Levi Page Show

Date / Time: 7/8/2010 9:00 PM

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage

 
Tune in for the latest in the Morgan Harrington, Kyron Horman and Haleigh Cummings investigations!

Thanks seahorse!  As long as the new intro doesn't make the cat extend his claws, then we're all good.  LOL  Will check it out, thanks again! 

[Gypsy DD]

This case is just too out of control. So many assumptions, rumors and personal opinions that turn into "facts" it is difficult to keep everything straight. It has turned into a circus at this point.

Tracygirl

Rumor or fact ... I find anything that is not directly related to the happenings encompassing the day Kyron Horman went missing a distraction.

The dynamics within the Horman family circle appear to be taking the focus off the morning of June 4, 2010 ... the morning when a little boy named Kyron went missing.

The chain of events encompassing the morning of June 4, 2010 do not appear to be complex.  There are pieces of the puzzle missing but the pieces which have been afforded do reveal a picture to base an investigation on and deem Terri Horman a person of interest.

Terri Horman was not forthcoming regarding her whereabouts on the day her stepson went missing.  Pressure need to be put on this woman to reveal the truth.  It should be all about Kyron not protecting the rights of a stepmother whose cell record exposed deception.

IMO

Janet

++++++++

THE MORNING OF JUNE 4, 2010

Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing
Published: Saturday, June 05, 2010, 11:21 PM
Updated: Friday, June 18, 2010, 5:02 PM

THE BACKPACK - THE COAT

Instead of taking the bus near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School.

They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog."

THE PHOTO

Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page. .....

THE WITNESSES
 
Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html


Kyron Horman disappears during Oregon school science fair
June 7, 2010

THE WITNESSES

Portland Public Schools spokesman Matt Shelby said two teachers saw Kyron with his stepmother and thought the two left school together.

http://origin.ksdk.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=203651&catid=28


Sources: Search for Kyron Horman Focuses on Step-Mom, Cell Records
4:52 PM June 17th, 2010

THE CELL PHONE RECORD

The island is more than five miles from rural Skyline Elementary School, where Horman was reported missing June 4. But rescuers on horseback, on foot and in dive teams have repeatedly scoured the island beginning around June 10 and continuing this week — even after Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton called off other major search operations last Sunday.

WW has learned that federal, county and city law-enforcement officials say the reason for the search of Sauvie Island is that cell-phone records reveal Kyron’s step-mother, Terri Moulton Horman, may have been on the island the day he disappeared.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/17/sources-search-for-kyron-horman-focuses-on-step-mom-cell-records/

ITA Janet.  We also know now from news reports that LE says they have also searched her computer.   

The teachers using the word thought doesn't throw me too much either.  Maybe they tell LE the last time they saw Kyron he is leaving school with his stepmom.  Two people both saw that..then LE comes out with stepmom says she waved goodbye to him at 8:45 AM..so we add thought to the sentence by the school admin so they don't get sued.  LOL..another opinion..

[NCSunny]

This is the picture I am talking about the difference from then to now....

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs348.snc4/41522_1264414625_4984_n.jpg

Yes, she looks much better in that picture, I agree. And I am willing to bet that was taken around Nov or December last year.

IMO he had no right to make her son leave..

ITA Blonde, I would not have put up with it!