Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #4 7/8/10 - 7/11/10

[klaasend]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98146889.html



Terri Horman refuses to answer reporter’s questions

by Dan Tilkin KATU News

Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/98146889.html

KATU News reporter Dan Tilkin attempted to ask Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, on Friday about her polygraph tests and if she knows where Kyron is. Terri refused to answer questions.

Her husband, Kaine has accused her in a murder-for-hire plot. He and Kyron's mother, Desiree Young revealed on Thursday Terri failed two lie detector tests.

They both said they believe Terri Horman knows something about Kyron's disappearance, and they say she's not cooperating with investigators.
   
KATU News has tried phone calls and e-mails with no success and on Friday Tilkin attempted to speak to her in a parking garage in an attempt to get her side of the story.

To watch Tilkin’s attempt to ask Terri questions, please click on the above video tab.

VIDEO:

[Rob]

Deenie - Polygraphs are not the unbeatable and not a true judgment on someone guilt or innocence. Some lunatic from Aruba took two of them in Houston and according to Tim Miller passed them both. We know he was lying.

They are a tool - inadmissible in court. What they can do is allow LE to look in other directions if they feel the person was truthful and honest. Of course, some test results can depend on the polygrapher, the questions asked, what order the questions are asked, and the type of test itself.

One of the cases we have been following had the test subject score a minus 11. That's called an epic fail. There are degrees of failure. And of course there is "inconclusive".

I have never heard of a law enforcement agency telling the husband and the ex-wife that the current wife has failed. They just don't share that info. They use it to further the investigation. Then again, you never know with this police department and what has happened to date - but I seriously doubt it happened as described.

Thank-you, that is what I've been trying to get answered, that the police dept doesn't usually share that info with someone, if Terri did fail the poly.

let's say this - the police can tell Kaine and Desiree that she didn't pass. It doesn't have to be the truth. They can lie to further the investigation.

They could have also told them she passed if they thought that might generate something of interest.

[klaasend]

Local tv stations in Portland, KATU and KPTV were there when Terri and a friend were out somewhere today in a parking lot. I couldn't get the video to work, but supposedly Terri didn't say anything, and the friend was shielding her. I haven't read who the friend was.

I just posted it.  Not a friend but an associate of the attorney. 

[Tamikosmom]

More old posts:

Just checked stepmom's FB and in reply to someone 5-7 hours ago she states she will be hitting the gym today and didn't get home til 8.  WTF???  Granted I would not react like this but how can you even think of working on yourself when a child is missing?  Sorry, I still can't bring a link over and you guys have shown me plenty of times!!!  Something is very weird in this case.  Maybe he's just lost in the woods like the other little girl a couple of months back.

OK, I wasn't suspicious of Stepmom until you posted this!! OMG, that is the last place I would be. My hinkymeter is starting to get some action. I just think that is incredibly insensitive to be going to the gym to work out....this is beyond frustrating!!

This is what the post looked like (posted JUNE 8, 2010) (I cant screen shot, because I am short on time, but this is the jist of MelisB's find:

 Jennifer Hill  Terri, I'm free afternoons all week long if you still want to meet up. And of course I can make myself free anytime if you need anything at all... We will continue to be here for you guys, just let us know how we can help. *hugs* for each of you
15 hours ago ·

Terri Moulton Horman
Hitting the gym tomorrow. I didn't get home until 8pm tonight...
15 hours ago


Jennifer Hill
I figured as much. Txt me when u go, if the timing works out ill keep u company.
8 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman#!/terri.horman?v=wall  

There is an image of both Terri and Kaine leaving the gym following a workout.  However ... only Terri is vulified.  Why?

I cannot comprehend why either Terri and/or Kaine would be working out at a gym only days following the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

That gym was the one Kaine worked out at.  I believe they were both there that day not just to work out..but it was a command center of sorts for people to drop off donations of food, water, etc. for the searchers.  I think that whole issue got out of control.  But that was Kaine's gym per the RO..Terri's gym is 24 Hour Fitness.

Please check out the video and ... article.  Sorry to burst your bubble in regards to Kaine.

I am off.

Janet

++++++

Former detective: Parents’ silence not unheard of but not the norm
June 10, 2010

KATU News extended an invitation to Horman’s parents to speak to the media after a reporter found them at a local gym Wednesday after their workout.

But the Horman’s drove off without responding to a question how the media could help.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?


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http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video

[Tracygirl]

Local tv stations in Portland, KATU and KPTV were there when Terri and a friend were out somewhere today in a parking lot. I couldn't get the video to work, but supposedly Terri didn't say anything, and the friend was shielding her. I haven't read who the friend was.

I just posted it.  Not a friend but an associate of the attorney. 

Thank you Klaas for posting the video. Her response was very unemotional.  She didn't even look at the reporter, she was just blank and sort of child like in hiding behind the woman. Interesting. They need to watch this woman, I really do fear she is going to kill herself.

[no rose colored glasses]

Local tv stations in Portland, KATU and KPTV were there when Terri and a friend were out somewhere today in a parking lot. I couldn't get the video to work, but supposedly Terri didn't say anything, and the friend was shielding her. I haven't read who the friend was.

I just posted it.  Not a friend but an associate of the attorney. 

Thank-you

[no rose colored glasses]

Deenie - Polygraphs are not the unbeatable and not a true judgment on someone guilt or innocence. Some lunatic from Aruba took two of them in Houston and according to Tim Miller passed them both. We know he was lying.

They are a tool - inadmissible in court. What they can do is allow LE to look in other directions if they feel the person was truthful and honest. Of course, some test results can depend on the polygrapher, the questions asked, what order the questions are asked, and the type of test itself.

One of the cases we have been following had the test subject score a minus 11. That's called an epic fail. There are degrees of failure. And of course there is "inconclusive".

I have never heard of a law enforcement agency telling the husband and the ex-wife that the current wife has failed. They just don't share that info. They use it to further the investigation. Then again, you never know with this police department and what has happened to date - but I seriously doubt it happened as described.

Thank-you, that is what I've been trying to get answered, that the police dept doesn't usually share that info with someone, if Terri did fail the poly.

let's say this - the police can tell Kaine and Desiree that she didn't pass. It doesn't have to be the truth. They can lie to further the investigation.

They could have also told them she passed if they thought that might generate something of interest.

Thank-you, so the police could have told them this, and didn't say to them, but please don't speak about it in public to the media.

[Wyks]

Wyks said;

IMO <--- that's at least one more strike against the school, for what seems to be a lax policy with students taking a bus home.

On page one of thread one - there is an article that said the Portland Public School system had a automated dialer that was used for alerting the parents that Kyron was missing. So, they did have some sort of system and recognized it's value. But there was no system in place at Skyline, and get this - we don't have a problem with absenteeism. 

More likely they have a problem with accountability.

< nods > Yep Rob, I agree.  And I betcha there has been a mad scramble to put things into place at Skyline, that they have realized they needed 'just in case'. 

Accountability being one important thing.  Am sure the school and parents have been able to come up with a list of things that would ensure better safety for all.  Helpful for the future anyway. 
 
IMO.

[Tracygirl]

More old posts:

Just checked stepmom's FB and in reply to someone 5-7 hours ago she states she will be hitting the gym today and didn't get home til 8.  WTF???  Granted I would not react like this but how can you even think of working on yourself when a child is missing?  Sorry, I still can't bring a link over and you guys have shown me plenty of times!!!  Something is very weird in this case.  Maybe he's just lost in the woods like the other little girl a couple of months back.

OK, I wasn't suspicious of Stepmom until you posted this!! OMG, that is the last place I would be. My hinkymeter is starting to get some action. I just think that is incredibly insensitive to be going to the gym to work out....this is beyond frustrating!!

This is what the post looked like (posted JUNE 8, 2010) (I cant screen shot, because I am short on time, but this is the jist of MelisB's find:

 Jennifer Hill  Terri, I'm free afternoons all week long if you still want to meet up. And of course I can make myself free anytime if you need anything at all... We will continue to be here for you guys, just let us know how we can help. *hugs* for each of you
15 hours ago ·

Terri Moulton Horman
Hitting the gym tomorrow. I didn't get home until 8pm tonight...
15 hours ago


Jennifer Hill
I figured as much. Txt me when u go, if the timing works out ill keep u company.
8 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman#!/terri.horman?v=wall  

There is an image of both Terri and Kaine leaving the gym following a workout.  However ... only Terri is vulified.  Why?

I cannot comprehend why either Terri and/or Kaine would be working out at a gym only days following the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

That gym was the one Kaine worked out at.  I believe they were both there that day not just to work out..but it was a command center of sorts for people to drop off donations of food, water, etc. for the searchers.  I think that whole issue got out of control.  But that was Kaine's gym per the RO..Terri's gym is 24 Hour Fitness.

Please check out the video and ... article.  Sorry to burst your bubble in regards to Kaine.

I am off.

Janet

++++++

Former detective: Parents’ silence not unheard of but not the norm
June 10, 2010

KATU News extended an invitation to Horman’s parents to speak to the media after a reporter found them at a local gym Wednesday after their workout.

But the Horman’s drove off without responding to a question how the media could help.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?


Video Clip

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video

Yep appears they were both working out. I am not sure what that means in the scope of it all, they were not doing anything illegal but it does appear they both were at the gym working out.

[klaasend]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_recalls_d.html



Kyron Horman's mother recalls day she heard her son was missing
Published: Friday, July 09, 2010, 5:23 PM     Updated: Friday, July 09, 2010, 5:42 PM

When Desiree Young's phone rang at 4:25 p.m. on June 4, she answered, not knowing the call would forever change her life.
(snipped)

[Tamikosmom]

More old posts:

Just checked stepmom's FB and in reply to someone 5-7 hours ago she states she will be hitting the gym today and didn't get home til 8.  WTF???  Granted I would not react like this but how can you even think of working on yourself when a child is missing?  Sorry, I still can't bring a link over and you guys have shown me plenty of times!!!  Something is very weird in this case.  Maybe he's just lost in the woods like the other little girl a couple of months back.

OK, I wasn't suspicious of Stepmom until you posted this!! OMG, that is the last place I would be. My hinkymeter is starting to get some action. I just think that is incredibly insensitive to be going to the gym to work out....this is beyond frustrating!!

This is what the post looked like (posted JUNE 8, 2010) (I cant screen shot, because I am short on time, but this is the jist of MelisB's find:

 Jennifer Hill  Terri, I'm free afternoons all week long if you still want to meet up. And of course I can make myself free anytime if you need anything at all... We will continue to be here for you guys, just let us know how we can help. *hugs* for each of you
15 hours ago ·

Terri Moulton Horman
Hitting the gym tomorrow. I didn't get home until 8pm tonight...
15 hours ago


Jennifer Hill
I figured as much. Txt me when u go, if the timing works out ill keep u company.
8 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman#!/terri.horman?v=wall  

There is an image of both Terri and Kaine leaving the gym following a workout.  However ... only Terri is vulified.  Why?

I cannot comprehend why either Terri and/or Kaine would be working out at a gym only days following the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

That gym was the one Kaine worked out at.  I believe they were both there that day not just to work out..but it was a command center of sorts for people to drop off donations of food, water, etc. for the searchers.  I think that whole issue got out of control.  But that was Kaine's gym per the RO..Terri's gym is 24 Hour Fitness.

Please check out the video and ... article.  Sorry to burst your bubble in regards to Kaine.

I am off.

Janet

++++++

Former detective: Parents’ silence not unheard of but not the norm
June 10, 2010

KATU News extended an invitation to Horman’s parents to speak to the media after a reporter found them at a local gym Wednesday after their workout.

But the Horman’s drove off without responding to a question how the media could help.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?


Video Clip

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http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video

Yep appears they were both working out. I am not sure what that means in the scope of it all, they were not doing anything illegal but it does appear they both were at the gym working out.

Not Illegal.  However ... I believe it is inappropriate considering that Kyron  has been missing for less than a week.

Anyways ... if it is inappropriate for Terri to be working out ... it is inappropriate for Kaine to be working out.

I cannot comprehend the double standard.

Janet

[ospainter]

http://www.kptv.com/livestream/index.html

live streaming, talking with DY and KH right now

OS

[Rob]

Deenie - Polygraphs are not the unbeatable and not a true judgment on someone guilt or innocence. Some lunatic from Aruba took two of them in Houston and according to Tim Miller passed them both. We know he was lying.

They are a tool - inadmissible in court. What they can do is allow LE to look in other directions if they feel the person was truthful and honest. Of course, some test results can depend on the polygrapher, the questions asked, what order the questions are asked, and the type of test itself.

One of the cases we have been following had the test subject score a minus 11. That's called an epic fail. There are degrees of failure. And of course there is "inconclusive".

I have never heard of a law enforcement agency telling the husband and the ex-wife that the current wife has failed. They just don't share that info. They use it to further the investigation. Then again, you never know with this police department and what has happened to date - but I seriously doubt it happened as described.

Thank-you, that is what I've been trying to get answered, that the police dept doesn't usually share that info with someone, if Terri did fail the poly.

let's say this - the police can tell Kaine and Desiree that she didn't pass. It doesn't have to be the truth. They can lie to further the investigation.

They could have also told them she passed if they thought that might generate something of interest.

Thank-you, so the police could have told them this, and didn't say to them, but please don't speak about it in public to the media.

I hope I'm not confusing you NRCG. It can be confusing. The police will not share the real and accurate info with Desiree and Kaine. Nor are they likely to tell Terri she passed or failed.

They can lie or provide false and misleading info to further the cause of finding Kyron. It's not against the law for the police to lie to suspects or witnesses.

What makes no sense here is that earlier I heard on JVM or Headline news that proceeded it - that Kaine and Desiree claim that Terri told them herself that she failed. I am not sure that she would know that and may have told them her inner thoughts on it. Or she may have been mislead to believe she failed and would need to show up again for another test on another date. That could all be true, all be false or it could be a combination of all.

The police are under no obligation to tell Terri, Kaine, or Desiree any of the facts. They may share some facts, no facts or all mistruths.

All that said - this investigation is not what the normal o b s e r v e r would expect.

[klaasend]

REMINDER:

http://www.kgw.com/news/Candlelight-vigil-for-Kyron-Friday-98078129.html

Candlelight vigil for Kyron Friday



by Michael Rollins, KGW.com staff

kgw.com

Posted on July 9, 2010 at 12:02 PM

PORTLAND -- A candlelight vigil will be held for Kyron Horman at Skyline grade school on Friday evening.

People are asked to gather at 8 p.m., for an 8:30 p.m. lighting at the "Wall of Hope."  Bring your own candles.

Parking is limited and participants are asked to carpool, walk or bicycle.

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks Rob, at this point I'm confused about a lot of things in this case, but I understand what you are saying about the polygraph tests.

[4getUnot]

Deenie - Polygraphs are not the unbeatable and not a true judgment on someone guilt or innocence. Some lunatic from Aruba took two of them in Houston and according to Tim Miller passed them both. We know he was lying.

They are a tool - inadmissible in court. What they can do is allow LE to look in other directions if they feel the person was truthful and honest. Of course, some test results can depend on the polygrapher, the questions asked, what order the questions are asked, and the type of test itself.

One of the cases we have been following had the test subject score a minus 11. That's called an epic fail. There are degrees of failure. And of course there is "inconclusive".

I have never heard of a law enforcement agency telling the husband and the ex-wife that the current wife has failed. They just don't share that info. They use it to further the investigation. Then again, you never know with this police department and what has happened to date - but I seriously doubt it happened as described.

Thank-you, that is what I've been trying to get answered, that the police dept doesn't usually share that info with someone, if Terri did fail the poly.

let's say this - the police can tell Kaine and Desiree that she didn't pass. It doesn't have to be the truth. They can lie to further the investigation.

They could have also told them she passed if they thought that might generate something of interest.

Thank-you, so the police could have told them this, and didn't say to them, but please don't speak about it in public to the media.

I hope I'm not confusing you NRCG. It can be confusing. The police will not share the real and accurate info with Desiree and Kaine. Nor are they likely to tell Terri she passed or failed.

They can lie or provide false and misleading info to further the cause of finding Kyron. It's not against the law for the police to lie to suspects or witnesses.

What makes no sense here is that earlier I heard on JVM or Headline news that proceeded it - that Kaine and Desiree claim that Terri told them herself that she failed. I am not sure that she would know that and may have told them her inner thoughts on it. Or she may have been mislead to believe she failed and would need to show up again for another test on another date. That could all be true, all be false or it could be a combination of all.

The police are under no obligation to tell Terri, Kaine, or Desiree any of the facts. They may share some facts, no facts or all mistruths.

All that said - this investigation is not what the normal o b s e r v e r would expect.

I'm wondering if she took the first LDT because she was the last one to see Kyron.  Maybe they called her in for the second test because the landscaper had told them about the MFH plot and they wanted to question her to see what they could find out about that. 

[Tracygirl]

More old posts:

Just checked stepmom's FB and in reply to someone 5-7 hours ago she states she will be hitting the gym today and didn't get home til 8.  WTF???  Granted I would not react like this but how can you even think of working on yourself when a child is missing?  Sorry, I still can't bring a link over and you guys have shown me plenty of times!!!  Something is very weird in this case.  Maybe he's just lost in the woods like the other little girl a couple of months back.

OK, I wasn't suspicious of Stepmom until you posted this!! OMG, that is the last place I would be. My hinkymeter is starting to get some action. I just think that is incredibly insensitive to be going to the gym to work out....this is beyond frustrating!!

This is what the post looked like (posted JUNE 8, 2010) (I cant screen shot, because I am short on time, but this is the jist of MelisB's find:

 Jennifer Hill  Terri, I'm free afternoons all week long if you still want to meet up. And of course I can make myself free anytime if you need anything at all... We will continue to be here for you guys, just let us know how we can help. *hugs* for each of you
15 hours ago ·

Terri Moulton Horman
Hitting the gym tomorrow. I didn't get home until 8pm tonight...
15 hours ago


Jennifer Hill
I figured as much. Txt me when u go, if the timing works out ill keep u company.
8 hours ago

http://www.facebook.com/terri.horman#!/terri.horman?v=wall  

There is an image of both Terri and Kaine leaving the gym following a workout.  However ... only Terri is vulified.  Why?

I cannot comprehend why either Terri and/or Kaine would be working out at a gym only days following the disappearance of Kyron.

Janet

That gym was the one Kaine worked out at.  I believe they were both there that day not just to work out..but it was a command center of sorts for people to drop off donations of food, water, etc. for the searchers.  I think that whole issue got out of control.  But that was Kaine's gym per the RO..Terri's gym is 24 Hour Fitness.

Please check out the video and ... article.  Sorry to burst your bubble in regards to Kaine.

I am off.

Janet

++++++

Former detective: Parents’ silence not unheard of but not the norm
June 10, 2010

KATU News extended an invitation to Horman’s parents to speak to the media after a reporter found them at a local gym Wednesday after their workout.

But the Horman’s drove off without responding to a question how the media could help.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?


Video Clip

0.50
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html?tab=video

Yep appears they were both working out. I am not sure what that means in the scope of it all, they were not doing anything illegal but it does appear they both were at the gym working out.

Not Illegal.  However ... I believe it is inappropriate considering that Kyron  has been missing for less than a week.

Anyways ... if it is inappropriate for Terri to be working out ... it is inappropriate for Kaine to be working out.

I cannot comprehend the double standard.

Janet

Yes I understand what you are saying. In an article from yesterday it stated that Kaine was keeping up his running as it helps him keep his mind clear or his head straight or something like that.

[klaasend]

http://www.kptv.com/livestream/index.html

live streaming, talking with DY and KH right now

OS

Thanks OS, I caught the end of it

[ospainter]

http://www.kptv.com/livestream/index.html

live streaming, talking with DY and KH right now

OS

Thanks OS, I caught the end of it

Klaas

yw, sorry that was kind of misleading, it is a live stream, but I think that was part of Natasha Lance taped interview, sounded like her voice to me. Could be wrong.

I wonder if that station will carry the vigil live? will keep it open.

OS

[Wyks]

Thanks Sebastian and Claycat!  Hope we get answers to those questions (and many many more) someday.