Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #5 7/11/10 - 7/13/10

[NCSunny]

Morning Monkeys and guests,

This is happened in the Portland area, kind of O/T but interesting none the less.

'Children’s book author K.P. Bath sentenced to six years in prison for child porn'

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m7d12-Childrens-book-author-KP-Bath-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-for-child-porn?cid=examiner-email

Thanks to all for the updates and links, maybe this week will be the week Kyron is found!

[4getUnot]

Morning Monkeys and guests,

This is happened in the Portland area, kind of O/T but interesting none the less.

'Children’s book author K.P. Bath sentenced to six years in prison for child porn'

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2010m7d12-Childrens-book-author-KP-Bath-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-for-child-porn?cid=examiner-email

Thanks to all for the updates and links, maybe this week will be the week Kyron is found!

Yes interesting.  I found a link about the author and found it interesting that he has also has a cat named Sam Underfoot. 

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/206522.K_P_Bath

[Claycat]

Sorry, I can't be of any more help regarding Harry than what others have said.  I just think I would have to know that it was/wasn't my child.  If there is something nefarious about him, I haven't heard it, other than he is supposedly "Not non-profit".  That's why I said if he offered his services for Free, I'd do it.  Maybe he requires something if he is successful, such as some form of payment?

I didn't realize he was not non profit.  That WOULD make a difference.

Harry Oakes is doing the search for Kyron free, but there are two women who are taking donations for him.  So, it isn't costing Kyron's family anything.  You would think they would give him an article of clothing or something with Kyron's scent on it, but they haven't!  I would exhaust all avenues, if he was my child. 

Without an item with Kyron's scent on it, Harry can only search for a body.  If he had the scent, his dogs could search for a live Kyron.  All I can figure is the family must truly believe Kyron is dead, or they would have given Harry something. 

The reason LE isn't cooperating is because Harry found a missing child's body in an area that LE had already searched in Multinomah County.  His dogs found the child in less than a minute.  I'm sure that was embarrassing for LE.  Harry doesn't forget it either.  So, there are too many egos, on both sides, getting in the way of searching for Kyron.

You may think this sort of thing doesn't go on in LE, egos hampering an investigation, but it does!  Frequently!

[trimmonthelake]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/  07/12/10
Search for Kyron Horman Enters Week 5
Family and community hold on to hope that the missing 7-year-old is alive.

[no rose colored glasses]

d in texas very sorry about your tragic loss.

[Blonde]

Watching http://www.kptv.com/video/15359817/index.html stream their News at 10, and they mentioned the statement by Kyron's parents tonight, that we have discussed previously here.

The also reported that the family is going to launch a website soon to sell tee shirts and bracelets.

That's all they said about that.

why are the selling bracelets and tee shirts?  They aren't searching, wonder what the money is for?

Have they exhausted the searches? Is it true that no one would give Harry Oakes a piece of Kyron's things for scent purposes?

Can someone explain to me just what "Harry Oakes" is all about and why there was such refusal and "hush hushness" met with the search efforts made by this man? I know when I was on WS there was a BIG HUB BUB made about that no one could speak a word even referring to this man's name or any searches that woulda, shoulda, coulda been. The mods were striking folks out left and right trying to keep all or any hints of this name whatsoever... So what gives? who and what is all the controversy surrounding this man about and why? Seemingly nothing but gestures of wanting to help in finding Kyron?? So what is the deal? TIA to anyone that doesn't mind taking the time to enlighten me on the "Harry Oakes" subject...

Everything I’ve said is DOCUMENTED and PUBLIC RECORD.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=127939120&blogId=536675806


Let’s find Kyron and bring him home.

Thank you
Respectfully
Mr. Harry Oakes
SAR Coordinator


International K9 Search and Rescue Services.

[klaasend]

From the Album - Kiara's First Birthday (November 2009):

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=861618&id=1264414625&fbid=1284531314426#!/photo.php?pid=866720&id=1264414625&fbid=1286441922190

She couldn't wait for Kyron to come back before taking the photo of HIS glass?



This was actually taken the day of Kiara's first birthday party at the Horman home.  This would have been right around the time Terri was attempting to hire someone to kill Kaine:

[Lenie]

Was just wondering why everything that Kaine says about Terri is taken as gospel. Do not know Kaine, Do not know Terri. Do not know who is responsible for Kyron missing. Just can't understand why everything he says is so.
Running with rumors? Kaine said he "thought she was suffering from PPD or something" then it is she was totally nuts by the time it hit the blogs. Unless I missed a presser that he says she def had PPD, the one I saw says "I think".
I am sitting on the fence with a few of you. I just can't see Terri being smart enough to completely stump law enforcement.

[Blonde]

Sorry, I can't be of any more help regarding Harry than what others have said.  I just think I would have to know that it was/wasn't my child.  If there is something nefarious about him, I haven't heard it, other than he is supposedly "Not non-profit".  That's why I said if he offered his services for Free, I'd do it.  Maybe he requires something if he is successful, such as some form of payment?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.new#new

[klaasend]

Was just wondering why everything that Kaine says about Terri is taken as gospel. Do not know Kaine, Do not know Terri. Do not know who is responsible for Kyron missing. Just can't understand why everything he says is so.
Running with rumors? Kaine said he "thought she was suffering from PPD or something" then it is she was totally nuts by the time it hit the blogs. Unless I missed a presser that he says she def had PPD, the one I saw says "I think".
I am sitting on the fence with a few of you. I just can't see Terri being smart enough to completely stump law enforcement.

Verified by LE, Terri attempted to hire someone to kill Kaine.  That in itself puts suspicion on Terri IMO.  The STING didn't work, Terri caught on.

[Blonde]

So Kyron went to the bathroom without telling anyone in that picture.
Could he have left the school that day without telling anyone, maybe dropped his glasses and got lost.

[no rose colored glasses]

Was just wondering why everything that Kaine says about Terri is taken as gospel. Do not know Kaine, Do not know Terri. Do not know who is responsible for Kyron missing. Just can't understand why everything he says is so.
Running with rumors? Kaine said he "thought she was suffering from PPD or something" then it is she was totally nuts by the time it hit the blogs. Unless I missed a presser that he says she def had PPD, the one I saw says "I think".
I am sitting on the fence with a few of you. I just can't see Terri being smart enough to completely stump law enforcement.

I don't know, only thing I know is that I will wait for LE to verify what is going on. And I was off the fence but now back sitting on it. IMO something seems off and have no idea what it is.

[cw618]

thanks klass for the pics, still strange to me that there has been no
mention of the baby at school 6.4.10, folks at school have met the
baby, you would think they wouldve mentioned seeing her

[no rose colored glasses]

So Kyron went to the bathroom without telling anyone in that picture.
Could he have left the school that day without telling anyone, maybe dropped his glasses and got lost.

Interesting that he went off by himself to the bathroom without telling anyone. Maybe he was afraid to ask the teacher? Maybe he did that all the time? If he is shy I can see why he might not ask.

[no rose colored glasses]

thanks klass for the pics, still strange to me that there has been no
mention of the baby at school 6.4.10, folks at school have met the
baby, you would think they wouldve mentioned seeing her

Could Kitty have been asleep in the car? Not a good idea to do that of course, but maybe she didn't want to wake her because she wasn't going to be in the school for long. And also maybe there is a sitter on the way to school and Terri could have dropped her there?

[Lenie]

Was just wondering why everything that Kaine says about Terri is taken as gospel. Do not know Kaine, Do not know Terri. Do not know who is responsible for Kyron missing. Just can't understand why everything he says is so.
Running with rumors? Kaine said he "thought she was suffering from PPD or something" then it is she was totally nuts by the time it hit the blogs. Unless I missed a presser that he says she def had PPD, the one I saw says "I think".
I am sitting on the fence with a few of you. I just can't see Terri being smart enough to completely stump law enforcement.

Verified by LE, Terri attempted to hire someone to kill Kaine.  That in itself puts suspicion on Terri IMO.  The STING didn't work, Terri caught on.

It is verified that the landscaper says she tried to hire him. If LE had verified her attempt to hire she would be in jail. I believe there is a lot of reasons to suspect Terri, I just don't believe that I have enough evidence to say that she did.

[Babybear]

I don't think anyone is giving Terri compassion, well perhaps some but that is because they don't feel she is guilty just as you don't feel Kiane is guilty of anything. People are entitled to their opinions and if it differs from ones views, it is ok.  Others I think are trying to reach out to her in the hopes of finding Kyron. Isn't that the point of all of this anyway? To find Kyron? If reaching out to this woman might bring Kyron home, I think it is worth a try.

So much of this case has been based on assumptions, rumors and opinions and that goes for both sides in my opinion. I don't think anyone can say at this point with 100% certainty they know what happened that day to Kyron. 

I agree, I haven't read every single post, but I haven't seen any true "bashing" of Kaine.  I've seen posters question things he's said and done, myself included.  I don't see the need to constantly remind us that he is a victim if a poster so much as questions things.  Come On.  Put your big girl panties on and if you need some I'll loan you a pair.

I want to know why he wasn't more involved ESPECIALLY if he doubted his wife's abilities.  He's the one who said she had been acting strangely, on medication, and yet he wasn't acting too concerned about all the time he left Kyron if her care.  Just my 2cents, and I'm stickin' to it.

Tracygirl,
I was agreeing with you, and the big girl panties weren't for you.  Just clarifying that!

Well who are the big girl panties for?  I did mention Kaine bashing a ways back in the previous thread but I sure wasn't trying to cause anyone any grief.

Thanks anyway, but I do wear my "Big girl panties" at all times. 

[txlisa]

From the Album - Kiara's First Birthday (November 2009):

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=861618&id=1264414625&fbid=1284531314426#!/photo.php?pid=866720&id=1264414625&fbid=1286441922190

She couldn't wait for Kyron to come back before taking the photo of HIS glass?



This was actually taken the day of Kiara's first birthday party at the Horman home.  This would have been right around the time Terri was attempting to hire someone to kill Kaine:

Do you see the same pattern I do with her Facebook pictures of Kyron?  She had no patience for him.  Funny, the astrological charts say the same thing about her.

[Babybear]

Was just wondering why everything that Kaine says about Terri is taken as gospel. Do not know Kaine, Do not know Terri. Do not know who is responsible for Kyron missing. Just can't understand why everything he says is so.
Running with rumors? Kaine said he "thought she was suffering from PPD or something" then it is she was totally nuts by the time it hit the blogs. Unless I missed a presser that he says she def had PPD, the one I saw says "I think".
I am sitting on the fence with a few of you. I just can't see Terri being smart enough to completely stump law enforcement.

Verified by LE, Terri attempted to hire someone to kill Kaine.  That in itself puts suspicion on Terri IMO.  The STING didn't work, Terri caught on.

I believe it has also been verified by a number of sources that Terri was the last person to have been seen with Kyron, as well as the information that LE advised Kaine to take the baby and get away from Terri.  A jusge saw enough danger to issue a restraining order and Terri did not respond to the custody issue "within" the alotted five days.  It's my opinion only that a devoted mother would not give up custody of her child without lifting a finger to stop it.

I prefer to get my information from trustworthy sources rather than people on internet blogs trying to be important and issuing information which might or might not be accurate. I like to be fair. But then, that might be just me.

[txlisa]

Does anyone remember the Facebook posting Terri made about a seven year old boy who was doing something to Kiara that pissed her off?  Could that boy have possibly been Kyron?