Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #6 7/13/10 - 7/17/10

[flutter1]

If I were Terri and innocent I'd:

1.  Cooperate with LE
2.  Fight to keep my daughter
3.  Would not have been sexting with Michael Cook when the important thing would be to find Kyron

I'm affraid that Terri has much to hide and this is why she's not putting up a fight about anything.  I agree with Kaine in that eventually she will be arrested and I pray they find a way to get her to say what SHE DID with Kyron.

MOO

That one really gets me.  Kiara was her world.

I doubt that one would try to have murdered the father of "Her world."  But then, maybe that's just me. I have seen no indication that Kiara is less of Kaines's world than Terri's. I know that Terri has been busy of late what with the landscaper, and Michael Cook and sexting and porno pics, but maybe she could take the time to tell what she did with Kyron.

In my scale of indiscretion -- boinking the landscaper and sexting your husband's friend doesn't indicate a very high regard for the father of your child.  Does it mean she wanted to have Kaine killed?  Maybe -- I have seen women do it for less and with nary a bit of concern for the man who contributed half the DNA to a child. 

Terri doesn't tell where Kyron is for the same reason Misty Croslin Cummings has withheld information about Haleigh for the last year and a half.  Doing so would not benefit them in any way.

[no rose colored glasses]

The more we hear the more it sounds like it was well planned and thought out by TH

I agree Spodie.  I don't know what happened to her that made her do something like this but to me it's clear she planned it.

That is what is driving me nuts, what in the world all happened to this woman, very confusing and rather scary. By all accounts she liked kids, enjoyed going to the school and helping, is a teacher 

[no rose colored glasses]

flutter1 lets just hope this case doesn't go in the direction like poor little Haleigh's case 

[Gypsy DD]

The more we hear the more it sounds like it was well planned and thought out by TH

I agree Spodie.  I don't know what happened to her that made her do something like this but to me it's clear she planned it.

That is what is driving me nuts, what in the world all happened to this woman, very confusing and rather scary. By all accounts she liked kids, enjoyed going to the school and helping, is a teacher 

Well her lifestyle certainly changed and so did her relationships with the children..she alledgedly starts sextexing the LS and asks him to murder Kaine, James leaves for unknown reasons to us, and then Kyron goes missing from school. 

I really wish I knew what LE already does about James moving out and what he saw or heard in that house.  Could Kyron have seen and heard the same thing? 

[mymonkey]

Mymonkey - how do we know he didn't?

I thought the same thing after I hit post.
There is so much not known in this case....

[no rose colored glasses]

The more we hear the more it sounds like it was well planned and thought out by TH

I agree Spodie.  I don't know what happened to her that made her do something like this but to me it's clear she planned it.

That is what is driving me nuts, what in the world all happened to this woman, very confusing and rather scary. By all accounts she liked kids, enjoyed going to the school and helping, is a teacher 

Well her lifestyle certainly changed and so did her relationships with the children..she alledgedly starts sextexing the LS and asks him to murder Kaine, James leaves for unknown reasons to us, and then Kyron goes missing from school. 

I really wish I knew what LE already does about James moving out and what he saw or heard in that house.  Could Kyron have seen and heard the same thing? 

That is what is so confusing to me, I'm one that just has to know what makes a person tick and what happened for Terri to do all this. It is never good enough for me to just label someone with evil, sociopath, or whatever label, always very curious, and need to know why, though unfortunately one very seldom finds those answers to those questions. What would make a person seek out someone to kill their spouse, why really did James leave the house, what happened that Kyron is missing. Sometimes I just drive myself nuts trying to figure these types of horrible situations out.

[Gypsy DD]

Kaine is not forthcoming in his response regarding whether he or Terri was involvement with someone else.  It appears that he addresses only Terri in his response ... not himself.  Logic dictates that Kaine would be aware if he had been involved with somebody else.

If Kaine was having an affair ... could this betrayal along with the irrational thoughts and behaviors that define PPD explain ... not justify ... the murder for hire attempt against Kaine ... the disappearance of his son and ... the sextexting affair with Michael Cook.

IMO

Janet

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PORTLAND, Ore., July 9, 2010
Kyron Parents: We Suspect Stepmom
Say Publicly for First Time They Think She Was Involved in His Disappearance; Also Say She Flunked 2 Polygraph Tests

CBS)  Kyron Horman's biological parents are saying publicly for the first time they think the missing Oregon 7-year-old's stepmother was involved in his disappearance.

Desiree Young and Kaine Horman sat down for an interview with Priya David Clemens of CBS Portland, Ore. Affiliate KOIN-TV. ...

Kaine says his wife changed after the birth of their daughter, Kiara, 19 months ago. "It's extremely shocking, based on where we are today, but things have definitely changed from who she used to be. I think there was some post-partum depression involved after the birth of Kiara. (Terri was) moody, and cried a lot.

It lasted, he says, "until recently, the past few months; some of it may have been hidden from me, more than I know about." .

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/09/earlyshow/main6661166.shtml


Kyron's Parents Suspect Stepmother
July 9, 2010 7:51 AM

The parents of Kyron Horman believe that stepmother, Terri Horman may be involved in the boy's disappearance. Priya David Clemens reports.

PRIYA:  Were either of you involved with anybody else

KAINE:  Not that I am aware of.

Interview:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6661870n&tag=related;photovideo


Police were ready to arrest Kyron's stepmom over plot to kill husband, says source
Jul 6 at 9:36 PM
 
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally by having an extra-marital relationship. However the reliable source told KGW that there was no evidence to prove that Kaine had an affair.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Source-Police-were-ready-to-arrest-Kyrons-stepmom-over-plot-to-kill-husband-97907429.html

I feel that Kaine has said all he is able to say without comprising the investigation.

As for my earlier comment..it is naive to believe that during an investigation LE does not request that you keep certain things to yourself ..and if something new comes up talk to them first.  I am sure LE wanted to interview people in relation to this case before the press did.

For pity sakes how many times in this investigation have we heard no comment from LE, Kaine or Desiree say I can't comment on that due to the investigation, and how many friends and children have said the same thing..per Tanner he was told not to comment to the press by LE ..but Grandma made sure he did, and recently the 7th grader just interviewed  was told don't discuss the time reference. 

[no rose colored glasses]

Q: What were the "red flags" or warning signs that Desiree Young thought she may have missed prior to Kyron's disappearance? Desiree told the Today Show that Kyron seemed increasingly unhappy when he left their home after his visits with the Youngs. Kaine, did you see any warning signs and if so what?

A: Desiree's quote was not taken in its entirety. As a younger boy, Kyron can express distress when going from one household to the other if he has been having a great time and is looking forward to upcoming activities with that particular household. There was no abnormal amount of this happening after he left Desiree's household or when he left ours to go visit Desiree. He has been unhappy several times when he has had to leave our house to go visit Desiree, nothing Desiree or I would deem out of the ordinary. (So, not sure how to take it, that Kyron was upset at Desiree's house when he had to leave and go back home.)

[Babybear]

Where's Kyron?

I think you're asking the wrong people.  How would anyone on this interneet forum know the answer to that?

The question "where is Kyron" is really the only one that matters.

Perhaps, but it would be best asked of someone who could answer it.  Since none of us can answer it, and if that is all that matters,  we can just all close down our computers and do something else.

[Kat_Gram]

IF there was evidence of  MFH, Terri would have been arrested.
No where has it been stated that she had an affair with the landscaper.
Kaine wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but it was thru what he filed about the " sextng " , (which was after he left ) that everyone is beating up on Terri.
I think, yes, he wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but he wants to focus on Terri for anything low down and dirty. Why ? His family ae not saints. 

[no rose colored glasses]

Has anyone heard if the search that Mr Oakes was going to organize for the weekend, happened?

[no rose colored glasses]

IF there was evidence of  MFH, Terri would have been arrested.
No where has it been stated that she had an affair with the landscaper.
Kaine wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but it was thru what he filed about the " sextng " , (which was after he left ) that everyone is beating up on Terri.
I think, yes, he wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but he wants to focus on Terri for anything low down and dirty. Why ? His family ae not saints. 

All good points.  I would think also if it can be proven about the MFH, Terri would have been arrested, but I was reading somewhere, that this type of crime, is hard to prove. Don't know if true, but I would imagine, a he said, she said in this case would be hard to prove, if the police don't have anything else.

[Brandi]

IF there was evidence of  MFH, Terri would have been arrested.
No where has it been stated that she had an affair with the landscaper.
Kaine wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but it was thru what he filed about the " sextng " , (which was after he left ) that everyone is beating up on Terri.
I think, yes, he wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but he wants to focus on Terri for anything low down and dirty. Why ? His family ae not saints. 

All good points.  I would think also if it can be proven about the MFH, Terri would have been arrested, but I was reading somewhere, that this type of crime, is hard to prove. Don't know if true, but I would imagine, a he said, she said in this case would be hard to prove, if the police don't have anything else.

I think if the sting had gone as planned, she would have been arrested.

JMO.

<--- For Kyron

[no rose colored glasses]

IF there was evidence of  MFH, Terri would have been arrested.
No where has it been stated that she had an affair with the landscaper.
Kaine wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but it was thru what he filed about the " sextng " , (which was after he left ) that everyone is beating up on Terri.
I think, yes, he wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but he wants to focus on Terri for anything low down and dirty. Why ? His family ae not saints. 

All good points.  I would think also if it can be proven about the MFH, Terri would have been arrested, but I was reading somewhere, that this type of crime, is hard to prove. Don't know if true, but I would imagine, a he said, she said in this case would be hard to prove, if the police don't have anything else.

Hard to say.

[Gypsy DD]

IF there was evidence of  MFH, Terri would have been arrested.
No where has it been stated that she had an affair with the landscaper.
Kaine wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but it was thru what he filed about the " sextng " , (which was after he left ) that everyone is beating up on Terri.
I think, yes, he wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but he wants to focus on Terri for anything low down and dirty. Why ? His family ae not saints. 

I think if we could look closely..we would see that LE , the DA and the FBI's fingerprints are all over those filings.

Something that has stuck with me is in one of the interviews Kaine gave after the first filing to remove Terri from the family home..he used the word comfort..as in the child's comfort is more important then any adults.  All the other interviews he used different phrasing.

But when I heard that word "comfort" I realized that is what all this has been about ..trying to remove Terri from her comfort zone, squeeze her to get the answers they need..and LE, FBI and the DA certainly know how to do that.  I do not think that Kaine nor his attorney are making a move without the full knowledge and approval of LE.

It is also about placing Kiara and Kyron back in their comfort zone...don't get me wrong.  But the ultimate goal is to find Kyron..Terri's comfort zone be damned.

And He!! yes I support Kaine and Desiree 100%.  Neither of them is the party who disappeared Kyron.  The people involved in that action..they are the ones I dislike ..and Terri seems to be up to her neck in this.

And yes I feel they have evidence of Terri and her involvement..right now they want to close all the gaps..make sure I'S and T's are dotted and crossed.  Once they arrest her they only get one shot to convict her.  Doesn't mean they don't have a solid case..just means they want an airtight case..and most importantly Kyron returned to his family.

[Babybear]

If I were Terri and innocent I'd:

1.  Cooperate with LE
2.  Fight to keep my daughter
3.  Would not have been sexting with Michael Cook when the important thing would be to find Kyron

I'm affraid that Terri has much to hide and this is why she's not putting up a fight about anything.  I agree with Kaine in that eventually she will be arrested and I pray they find a way to get her to say what SHE DID with Kyron.

MOO

That one really gets me.  Kiara was her world.

I doubt that one would try to have murdered the father of "Her world."  But then, maybe that's just me. I have seen no indication that Kiara is less of Kaines's world than Terri's. I know that Terri has been busy of late what with the landscaper, and Michael Cook and sexting and porno pics, but maybe she could take the time to tell what she did with Kyron.

In my scale of indiscretion -- boinking the landscaper and sexting your husband's friend doesn't indicate a very high regard for the father of your child.  Does it mean she wanted to have Kaine killed?  Maybe -- I have seen women do it for less and with nary a bit of concern for the man who contributed half the DNA to a child. 

Terri doesn't tell where Kyron is for the same reason Misty Croslin Cummings has withheld information about Haleigh for the last year and a half.  Doing so would not benefit them in any way.

Personally, I've never seen it done, period.  But IMO if anyone would do it, Terri would.  So many men, so little time.

[klaasend]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/17/missing-ore-boys-father-believes-party-involved-disappearance-cites-briefings/?test=latestnews

Missing Ore. boy's father believes third party involved in disappearance, cites 'briefings'

PORTLAND, Ore.

The father of a missing 7-year-old Portland boy says he believes a third party was involved along with his estranged wife in the disappearance of the child six weeks ago.
fox news

The father of a missing 7-year-old Portland boy says he believes a third party was involved along with his estranged wife in the disappearance of the child six weeks ago.

In e-mail answers to questions Friday from Portland reporters, Kaine Horman gave no basis for his belief other than "briefings."

The comments were the latest suggestions he's offered about what might have happened to Kyron Horman, who vanished June 4.

Since then, Kaine Horman has filed for divorce from Terri Horman, the boy's stepmother.

She moved out of their house in Portland on Friday and was reported to have moved to Roseburg in Southern Oregon, where she attended high school and her parents live.

In court documents, Kaine Horman has said he believes that his wife was involved in the disappearance, that he's learned she tried to hire someone to kill him last year and that after the boy disappeared, she began a sexual relationship with a high school acquaintance of his.

Terri Horman has not been charged with a crime nor named as a suspect by investigators.

Her lawyer did not immediately return calls Saturday seeking a response to the husband's comments. The Multnomah County sheriff's office said it would not comment on Kaine Horman's allegation about a third party.

In his responses to questions Friday, Kaine Horman did not identify a third party.

"I do believe that it is someone that Kyron has met before — whether I know of the person or they were only a friend of Terri's," he told KPTV.

The father also added a bit of detail to reports that Terri Horman had taken a polygraph test twice. After Kyron disappeared, she took a first test, Kaine Horman told The Oregonian newspaper, and she "vented her failed results to all family and friends, and law enforcement at the house."

She took a second, cut it short, refused to repeat it for several days, and then, after taking the test again, she again came home, "venting to all listeners," Kaine Horman said.

He asked a judge to order Terri Horman out of their house, which he'd left in late June. He said he planned to move back in with their daughter, now 20 months, and prepare the house for the return of his son.

[Babybear]

IF there was evidence of  MFH, Terri would have been arrested.
No where has it been stated that she had an affair with the landscaper.
Kaine wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but it was thru what he filed about the " sextng " , (which was after he left ) that everyone is beating up on Terri.
I think, yes, he wants to keep the focus on Kyron, but he wants to focus on Terri for anything low down and dirty. Why ? His family ae not saints. 

I think if we could look closely..we would see that LE , the DA and the FBI's fingerprints are all over those filings.

Something that has stuck with me is in one of the interviews Kaine gave after the first filing to remove Terri from the family home..he used the word comfort..as in the child's comfort is more important then any adults.  All the other interviews he used different phrasing.

But when I heard that word "comfort" I realized that is what all this has been about ..trying to remove Terri from her comfort zone, squeeze her to get the answers they need..and LE, FBI and the DA certainly know how to do that.  I do not think that Kaine nor his attorney are making a move without the full knowledge and approval of LE.

It is also about placing Kiara and Kyron back in their comfort zone...don't get me wrong.  But the ultimate goal is to find Kyron..Terri's comfort zone be damned.

And He!! yes I support Kaine and Desiree 100%.  Neither of them is the party who disappeared Kyron.  The people involved in that action..they are the ones I dislike ..and Terri seems to be up to her neck in this.

And yes I feel they have evidence of Terri and her involvement..right now they want to close all the gaps..make sure I'S and T's are dotted and crossed.  Once they arrest her they only get one shot to convict her.  Doesn't mean they don't have a solid case..just means they want an airtight case..and most importantly Kyron returned to his family.

  Gosh, I hope that's an applauding monkey.  I agree with all you say, Gypsy.  It would indeed be naive to think that Kaine is "Winging it" without the advice and consent of LE.

I don't think he has made a move or a court filing without first consulting LE.

Kyron is indeed the primary victim here, but not the only one.  Kaine and Desiree are also victims.  It would also be naive to think that Kyron disappeared in a vacuum. He has a mother, father, half-siblings, grandparents--they are all victims of, IMO, Terri Horman.

[no rose colored glasses]

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Published: 07/17/1012:59 pm | Updated: 07/17/1012:59 pm
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PORTLAND, Ore. - The father of a missing 7-year-old Portland boy says he believes a third party was involved along with his estranged wife in the disappearance of the child six weeks ago.

In e-mail answers to questions from Portland reporters, Kaine Horman gives no basis for his belief other than “briefings.”

His wife, Terri Horman, moved out of their house in Portland on Friday and was reported to have moved to Roseburg in Southern Oregon, where her parents live.

Kyron Horman vanished on June 4. Since then, his father has filed for divorce and said his wife tried to hire someone to kill him months ago.

Terri Horman’s lawyer did not immediately return calls seeking a response to her husband’s comment

[no rose colored glasses]

The article I just posted here is the link   http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/07/17/1267395/father-of-missing-oregon-boy-says.html    What is weird is the article is now gone. I went back to it, and it disappeared.