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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10 - 8/29/2010 (Read 253388 times)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
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http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20700-dolfi-richardson-polisnan-no-ta-corupto.html
Dolfi Richardson: Polisnan NO ta corupto
Tuesday, 10 August 2010 15:27
E forma con Ministerio Publico a saca e noticia y e forma con algun corant a interpreta esaki a cay den masha mal tera na Polis. Ta referi na e motibo cu Ministerio Publico a duna pa transporta e sospechoso Alexander Mathew pa Boneiro. A bisa cu e tin mucho relacion cu Polis y cu personal di KIA y no ta confia pa laga nan mes atende cune. Ta un argumento cu ta habri caminda pa hopi speculacion riba integridad di Cuerpo Policial.
Comisario Mr. Dolfi Richardson ta Alto Comisario suplente y algun siman pasa Conseho di Minister a dicidi cu e lo bira e siguiente Alto Comisario, aunke esaki no a sosode den forma oficial ainda. Awe el a cuminsa traha atrobe despues di algun dia di reunion na St. Maarten. Apenas el a yega Aruba cu el a bin topa cu un cantidad di Polis disgusta pa e forma con Ministerio Publico y corantnan a tilda Polisnan di lo ta bebe pornada of di tin un relacion mucho estrecho cu e sospechoso di husticia Mathew. "Polisnan no ta corupto", asina Alto Comisario Interino Dolfi Richardson a duna di conoce un rato pasa na su salida for di Warda di Polis di Noord. El a bisa di no por comenta riba e motibonan cu Ministerio Publico a duna pa transporta Mathew pasobra e no conoce e caso y no por duna comentario riba casonan andando tampoco. "Locual si mi por bisa ta cu no por generalisa. Nos tin un Cuerpo integro y berdad tin trabounan pa haci pa mehore pero nos ta haciendo tur esaki tambe. Pero mi kier pidi media pa ta mas balansa den dunamento di noticia riba nos polisnan", asina e criminologo cu awor ta encabesa nos Cuerpo di Polis a pidi. Segun mr. Dolfi Richardson, e tin encabesa un cuerpo di cual e ta orguyoso di dje y ta dispuesto pa sigui traha duro pa mehora e imagen mas ainda. Riba e critica cu e polis encuestion tabata traha como security guard pa e sospechoso Mathew, el a prefera di no comenta pasobra e no por papia nada riba e caso. Pa loke ta polisnan trahando como security guard den nan tempo liber, el a anuncia cu a caba di instala un task force cu lo revisa e leynan, e maneho di mando policial, tene cuenta cu e realidad di awendia y lo duna conseho riba cua trabounan si y cua trabounan un polis lo no por eherce banda di su funcion policial.
Papiamentu translation:
dolfi richardson: polisnan do not corupto
tuesday, 10 august 2010 15:27
the form con ministerio publico owing to saca the news y the form con some corant owing to interpreta this owing to cay in very bad earth at police. is referi at the motibo cu ministerio publico owing to give before transporta the sospechoso alexander mathew before boneiro. owing to say cu the have mucho relacion cu police y cu personal by kia y do not confia before allow they self atende cune. is one argument cu is open caminda before quite speculacion on integridad by cuerpo policial. comisario mr. dolfi richardson is alto comisario suplente y some week happen conseho by minister owing to dicidi cu the will become the next alto comisario, although this not owing to sosode in form oficial still. today past owing to cuminsa work afresh after by some day by meeting at st. maarten. barely past owing to arrive aruba cu past owing to come encounter cu one cantidad by police disgusta for her form con ministerio publico y corantnan owing to tilda polisnan by will is drink pornada or by have one relacion mucho estrecho cu the sospechoso by husticia mathew. "polisnan do not corupto", so alto comisario interino dolfi richardson owing to give by conoce one rato happen at her exit for by keep by police by north. past owing to say by not can comenta on the motibonan cu ministerio publico owing to give before transporta mathew because the not conoce the caso y not can give comentario on casonan andando niether. "locual if my can say is cu not can generalisa. we have one cuerpo integro y berdad have trabounan before haci before mehore but we is haciendo all this also. but my be willing to ask media before is more equilibrium in dunamento by news on we polisnan", so the criminologo cu at present is encabesa we cuerpo by police owing to ask. according mr. dolfi richardson, the have encabesa one cuerpo by cual the is proud by dje y is dispuesto before follow work duro before mehora the imagen more still. on the critica cu the police encuestion was work because security guard for her sospechoso mathew, past owing to prefera by not comenta because the not can talk nothing on the caso. before thing is polisnan trahando because security guard in they time pound, past owing to anuncia cu owing to come to anend by instala one task force cu will revisa the leynan, the maneho by command policial, hang on to cuenta cu the realidad by awendia y will give conseho on cua trabounan if y cua trabounan one police will not can eherce near by her funcion policial.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_76415.php
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Report from the Ukraine on human trafficking
9 Aug, 2010, 08:10 (GMT -04:00)
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ORANJESTAD — A report from ‘the Ukraine corner’ on strip club Foxy Lady with the Coordination Point Human Trafficking from the Corps National Police Services (KLPD) in the Netherlands has also led to the apprehension of exploiter Alex Mathew.
The house of detention on Bonaire, where Mathew is currently held in custody.
The Public Prosecutor (OM) said this before this newspaper on being asked this morning. “We received indication from the Netherlands that Foxy Lady was supposedly involved with human trafficking”, said the Officer of Justice entrusted with this case. According to the Officer, there were no direct reports on Aruba. However, there were indirect indications the nightclub is indeed involved with human trafficking. From investigation, it further appeared that several police officers and KIA co-workers held ‘friendly contacts’ with Mathew. Nothing is known yet on the nature of these contacts. However, the OM wishes to emphasize there are ‘no indications for corruption’. “It is up to the officers or prison guards with whom they strike up friendships in their own time,” says the case-officer. Even though it only regards ‘a sideline’, the OM does want to investigate the nature of these contacts. As a precautionary measure and to avoid problems, Mathew was flown to Bonaire where he is currently detained, pending the further course of the investigation – not only because of the ‘friendly contacts’ but also due to Mathew’s aggressive previous history. He was convicted of committing violence offences in the past, and had inflicted grievous bodily harm on the interim KIA-director Ben King in 2001. “He evidently has problems with Aruban authorities who take unfavorable decisions concerning him”, according to Officer Jaap Zondervan.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
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Well of course, the police are not corrupt. It is not their fault that Aruba does not legislate any laws. How can you be corrupt if no one can break a non existent law?? If the Netherlands hadn't heard the complaint, there would be no arrest. Nobody on the island noticed any problem.
One more thing, I can not get over the fact that an
island tourist destination does not have lifeguards
. The reason....they might be liable if they do something wrong? It is better to let the tourist die, on their own, then to attempt resuscitation? Time is everything!!! Please hold on to your children...and 83 yr. olds.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
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http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4077&offId=50&offDate=2010-8
Papiamentu translation:
5 day happen | fecha: 05/08/2010 | horario: 07:35
imagennan by the razzia at one office at palm beach where owing to confisca several proof in one esfuerzo combina, owing to haci several entrance hudicial all this relaciona cu esclavitud modern y traficacion by person
ministerio publico self does not give mucho informacion by the accion combina by diahuebs morning, cu did take lugar rond aruba. because the investigacion do not termina, but t’e instant owing to arrive, before haci some entrance hudicial, before attain more proof contra by thing is being investiga by thing can being denomina because esclavitud modern y traficacion by person. is for by some time come to anend, ministerio publico is haciendo one investigacion riguroso y pisa by actividadnan cu is take lugar the.o. in foxy lady nightclub at san nicolas. esnan cu is frecuenta san nicolas y likes visit the establecimento here, is good at altitude cu in foxy lady nightclub, fuera by is dedica at prostitucion, is allow the damanan y even man, dance on bar, practicamente sunu y have nothing even sunu, before satisface they clientela. is resultando at present, cu apparently the personanan here is being drugs before haci actonan cu can is they self do not consciente by thing they're haciendo. if they deny, they will is wordo beat y ordena before haci thing the “amonan” be willing to. is being say, cu have even practica by sex publico in the business, among man cu muher, but also by muher cu muher, y man cu man, haciendo usage by various artefacto cu is being using in type by practicanan here, before satisface they respectivo partner. the practicanan here owing to arrive at ear by ministerio publico y tumando at consideracion cu is sospecha even cu have police envolvi, owing to allow rst y landsrecherche before haci the investigacion y not owing to laydown in hand by cuerpo by recherche, p’e investigacion not lick. diahuebs in first oranan by madruga, owing to cuminsa at haci one entrance hudicial at foxy lady at san nicolas, where we can owing to see presencia by miembronan by ministerio publico, together cu personal by another departamentonan by husticia, the.o. by douane cu one cacho before give off an odour drugs, etc., they owing to remain till in oranan by afternoon is investiga. hour cu they owing to come to anend, they owing to claba the portanan close, by manner cu neither person can come into before “tapa” more proof cu can have. owing to come into in one cas at camay, north, y also
one office at palm beach
. although for by ministerio publico, they does not give mucho informacion, we know cu owing to detene assure the.a.a.m. y her lady, because also m.l. kendenan is operadornan by foxy lady nightclub y is propietarionan by the business. have more person cu owing to remain deteni, the.o. one police by surname s. cu is work because security come across, but manner menciona, we not can attain confirmacion by om still. the.a.a.m. do not one person desconoci, because in pasado the was encarcela, y owing to play one cantidad by comedia, till owing to bring her problem internacionalmente, acusando autoridadnan local by abuse by derecho human. very yamativo by the caso here is, cu day 2 by april 2009, was first minister by the time ey, nel oduber owing to haci aperture by foxy lady. update comunicado by ministerio publico: huiszoeking- y detencionnan relaciona cu investigacion mensenhandel bao guia by ministerio publico by aruba, seccion by crimen organiza by cuerpo policial by aruba y recherche samenwerkingsteam (rst) owing to investiga one organizacion criminal cu is wordo sospecha by mensenhandel. the investigacion here owing to start some time happen. after by some moon by investigacion preparativo, huiszoekingan did take lugar at several locacion on diahuebs 5 by august 2010. the investigacion was dirigi on the club nocturno foxy lady at san nicolas. the club nocturno here owing to wordo listra on diahuebs 5 by august. did take coin, cosnan y one car in beslag. all the time owing to detene cuatro sospechoso parent by edad. do not exclui more detencion. the investigacion by mensenhandel will follow y will is dirigi on the formanan by extorsion by bailarinanan in the club provided that cuestion. the investigacion owing to cuminza relaciona cu kehonan earnest tocante the circumstancianan by trabao by the bailarinanan. besides will take lugar one investigacion financiero. combati the delito mensenhandel is one prioridad by ministerio publico y is peace in the maneho regional cu ministerio publico by aruba y the another paisnan in kingdom dutch is bring conhuntamente.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=32955
Close · Aruba, August 10th, 2010
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 JUNE 2004 under serial number 31992.0 is the company with the tradename:
SEXTASY
Business address PALM BEACH 33-B, UNIT 5, NOORD
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company SEXTASY
Date of commencement 1 AUGUST 2004
OWNERS/PARTNERS
BERNADINA, LYNELL GODFRIED;
Born in ARUBA on 9 SEPTEMBER 1971
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 18 JUNE 2004
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
A) DE KLEINHANDEL IN- EN HET VERHUREN VAN VIDEO FILMS, EN DVD'S;
B) DE KLEINHANDEL IN POSTKAARTEN, TIJDSCHRIFTEN, CADEAU-ARTIKELEN, LINGERIE, SPORTKLEDING EN NEPARTIKELEN;
C) HET BEZORGEN AAN HUIS VAN DE ONDER PUNT A EN B GENOEMDE ARTIKELEN, VOOR PERSONEN VAN 18 JAAR EN OUDER.
Google translation:
A) THE HOUSES IN AND LET THE FILMS OF VIDEO AND DVD'S;
B) THE POSTCARDS IN RETAIL, MAGAZINES, gifts, lingerie, sportswear and NEPARTIKELEN;
C) THE HOUSE OF THE DELIVERY OF UNDER ITEM LISTED ITEMS A AND B, FOR PERSONS OF 18 YEARS AND OLDER.
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http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=35594
· Close · Aruba, August 10th, 2010
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 30 JANUARY 2006 under serial number 34420.0 is the company with the tradename:
SEXTASY II
Business address BERNARDSTRAAT 119, 2DE VERDIEPING, SAN NICOLAS ZUID
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company SEXTASY II
Date of commencement 1 MARCH 2006
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 1 JUNE 2009
OWNERS/PARTNERS
BERNADINA, LYNELL GODFRIED;
Born in ARUBA on 9 SEPTEMBER 1971
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 30 JANUARY 2006
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
A) DE KLEINHANDEL IN- EN HET VERHUREN VAN VIDEO FILMS, EN DVD'S;
B) DE KLEINHANDEL IN POSTKAARTEN, TIJDSCHRIFTEN, CADEAU-ARTIKELEN, LINGERIE, SPORTKLEDING EN NEPARTIKELEN;
C) HET BEZORGEN AAN HUIS VAN DE ONDER PUNT A EN B GENOEMDE ARTIKELEN, VOOR PERSONEN VAN 18 JAAR EN OUDER.
Google translation:
A) THE HOUSES IN AND LET THE FILMS OF VIDEO AND DVD'S;
B) THE POSTCARDS IN RETAIL, MAGAZINES, gifts, lingerie, sportswear and NEPARTIKELEN;
C) THE HOUSE OF THE DELIVERY OF UNDER ITEM LISTED ITEMS A AND B, FOR PERSONS OF 18 YEARS AND OLDER.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
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http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=39115
Close · Aruba, August 10th, 2010
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 25 JUNE 2008 under serial number 37583.0 is the company with the tradename:
THE FOXY LADY
Business address CAYA CAPT. ROBERT RODGER
37
, SAN NICOLAS ZUID
Legal form
SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company
THE FOXY LADY
Date of commencement
1 AUGUST 2008
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 21 OCTOBER 2009
OWNERS/PARTNERS
DEN BOEF, JOHN EDSON;
Born in ARUBA on 28 JUNE 1977
Nationality DUTCH
Position
OWNER
Effective 25 JUNE 2008
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KOFFIEHUISRESTAURANT
Google translation:
Operating a coffeehouse RESTAURANT
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http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=39162
Close · Aruba, August 10th, 2010
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 4 JULY 2008 under serial number 37626.0 is the company with the tradename:
FOXY LADY
Business address CAYA CAPT. ROBERT RODGER
37-39
, SAN NICOLAS ZUID
Legal form
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company
MATHEW BAR, ENTERTAINMENT & MORE N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation
1 JULY 2008
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
DEN BOEF, JOHN EDSON;
Born in ARUBA on 28 JUNE 1977
Nationality DUTCH
Position
MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 1 JULY 2008
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
1. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KOFFIEHUISRESTAURANT;
2. HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN CATERINGBEDRIJF;
3. HET ORGANISEREN VAN SHOWS, BIJEENKOMSTEN EN ANDERE GELEGENHEDEN.
Google translation:
1. Operating a coffeehouse RESTAURANT;
2. THE EXERCISE OF A CATERING COMPANY;
3. ORGANIZING FOR SHOWS, MEETINGS AND OTHER OCCASIONS.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
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http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4142&offId=0
17 minuut pasa | Fecha: 10/08/2010 | Horario: 21:32
HOMBER DI 60 AÑA A SER HAYA SIN BIDA NA UN CAS NA CURA CABAY AKI TA TRATA DI UN CRIMEN
Diamars anochi a drenta informe di un caso unda a haya un hende morto den cas na
Cura Cabay, mesora a dirigi un patruya na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya a bin
compronde cu un dama ora ela yega cas a bin haya e victima benta abao y a
solicita presencia di ambulans na e sitio. Na yegada di ambulans a bin ripara cu
e victima no ta duna señal di bida. A bati alarma pa e caso aki y a notifica
tur instancia concerni. POlis ta investigando ainda e caso aki. Informacionnan
extra-oficial ta indica cu aki ta trata di J.D. nos lo sigui informa
Papiamentu translation:
17 minuut happen | fecha: 10/08/2010 | horario: 21:32
man by 60 aÑa owing to being attain without life at one cas at cura cabay here is deal by one crimen
tuesday at night owing to come into informe by one caso where owing to attain one dead in cas at cura cabay, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at arrival by the patrol owing to come compronde cu one lady hour ela arrive cas owing to come attain the victima throw abao y owing to solicita presencia by ambulance at the sitio. at arrival by ambulance owing to come ripara cu the victima do not give sign by life. owing to beat alarma for her caso here y owing to notifica all instancia concerni. police is investigando still the caso here.
informacionnan extra-oficial is indica cu here is deal by
j.d.
we will follow informa
Is that Dennis Jacobs at the scene?
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
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http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/20717-posibel-caso-di-tiramento-na-cura-cabay.html
Papiamentu translation:
crimen earnest is cause dead by man by edad at cura cabay
tuesday, 10 august 2010 20:28
algo happen by 8or by at night police is attain notificacion cu will have to have one dead at
cura cabai # 102
. at arrival enberdad is encounter cu one man cu do not give sign by life y before 8:45pm dr. van der linden owing to constata dead by the victima.
according police, have all indicacion cu is deal by one caso by crimen, but does not give confirmacion if is deal here by one tiramento,aunke quite is specula cu is esey owing to sosode. identidad by the victima niether do not conoci still,
debi cu the person cu owing to hay'e conoc'e before her name by carinjo alone. police at once owing to form one team by investigador before investiga the caso here cu is wordo cataloga because one crimen pisa.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.arubayp.com%2FAruba%2FResidential%2FE%2Fbook&ei=KgRiTNzfNcH-8Aa97ICVCg&usg=AFQjCNF1PVDRP9o1HZUr6jZR5Bwr2L5JlQ
Aruba
Dorbeck, J
Cura Cabai 102
584-7079. .
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=21936
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Only valid if accordingly signed by the Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry - J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 10, Oranjestad, Aruba.
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 6 JUNE 1997 under serial number 21975.0 is the company with the tradename:
JOHAN TOOL & EQUIPMENT RENTAL
Business address
CURA CABAI 102
, SAVANETA
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company JOHAN TOOL & EQUIPMENT RENTAL
Date of commencement 9 APRIL 1997
OWNERS/PARTNERS
DORBECK, JOHAN WILLIAM
;
Born in NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, SINT-EUSTATIUS on 4 JUNE 1943
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 6 JUNE 1997
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
HET VERHUREN VAN GEREEDSCHAPPEN VOOR CONSTRUCTIE-WERKZAAMHEDEN.
Google translation:
THE HIRING OF TOOLS FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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If my math is right, the owner of that business would be 67 years old.
The Awe24 article says 60 years old, so maybe it's not him.
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Quote from: texasmom on August 10, 2010, 10:19:53 PM
If my math is right, the owner of that business would be 67 years old.
The Awe24 article says 60 years old, so maybe it's not him.
They've updated the article now.
http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4142&offId=0
1 hora pasa | Fecha: 10/08/2010 | Horario: 20:52
HOMBER DI
67 AÑA
A SER HAYA SIN BIDA NA UN CAS NA CURA CABAY AKI TA TRATA DI UN CRIMEN
Diamars anochi a drenta informe di un caso unda a haya un hende morto den cas na
Cura Cabay 102, mesora a dirigi un patruya na e sitio. Na yegada di e patruya a bin
compronde cu un dama ora ela yega cas a bin haya e victima benta abao y a
solicita presencia di ambulans na e sitio. Na yegada di ambulans a bin ripara cu
e victima no ta duna señal di bida. A bati alarma pa e caso aki y a notifica
tur instancia concerni. POlis ta investigando ainda e caso aki. Informacionnan extra-oficial ta indica cu aki ta trata di
Johan W. Dorbeck
naci na St Eustatius di 67 anja di edad nos lo sigui informa.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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The Cloak of Cover
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Pages 184/185
- The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting. The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.
Page 815
- The last announcement I make on television is never seen. Hurrican Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.
b]Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway
Page 142:[/b] Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.
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We Never Stood a Chance!
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 185:
The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3. The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead. Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there. It's the U.S. vice-consul. At the van der Sloots' house. Why is she here? She spots me. Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone. I don't want to talk to her. Who can we trust?
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 189:
It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil. It's verry, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it.
I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx
Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie
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Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao? Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?
Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.
The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.
Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies." The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.
But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.
There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.
Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:
From a site called Refugees Unleashed:
Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?
Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.
Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:
Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:
In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.
So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?
CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting. We've also attempted to reach Gielen. We'll keep you posted.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx
Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie
Last Update: 11:05 pm
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao? Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?
Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.
The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.
Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies." The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.
But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.
There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.
Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:
From a site called Refugees Unleashed:
Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?
Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.
Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:
Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:
In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.
So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?
CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting. We've also attempted to reach Gielen. We'll keep you posted.
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Quote from: texasmom on August 11, 2010, 12:16:13 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx
Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie
Last Update: 11:05 pm
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao? Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?
Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.
The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.
Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies." The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.
But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.
There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.
Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:
From a site called Refugees Unleashed:
Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?
Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.
Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:
Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:
In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.
So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?
CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting. We've also attempted to reach Gielen. We'll keep you posted.
I don't know who is writing the WIAT Channel 42 articles, but they are doing a good job of researching.
and reading....Hooray for whoever it might be!!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10
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Quote from: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 01:34:35 AM
Quote from: texasmom on August 11, 2010, 12:16:13 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx
Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie
Last Update: 11:05 pm
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao? Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?
Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.
The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.
Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies." The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.
But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.
There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.
Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:
From a site called Refugees Unleashed:
Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?
Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.
Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:
Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:
In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.
So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?
CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting. We've also attempted to reach Gielen. We'll keep you posted.
I don't know who is writing the WIAT Channel 42 articles, but they are doing a good job of researching.
and reading....Hooray for whoever it might be!!
I agree Magnolia!
I hope they'll keep digging!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: texasmom on August 11, 2010, 01:51:30 AM
Quote from: Magnolia on August 11, 2010, 01:34:35 AM
Quote from: texasmom on August 11, 2010, 12:16:13 AM
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx
Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie
Last Update: 11:05 pm
Birmingham, Al (WIAT) There’s a tangled web of internet speculation surrounding the as yet unreleased move "Me and Mr. Jones" by Dutch filmmaker Paul Ruven. What, if any, are Ruven’s connections to Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao? Why should anyone in Alabama care about a Dutch film maker and a producer from Curacao?
Ruven is making a fiction movie about a reporter investigating Joran van der Sloot and his assumed role in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba five years ago. The Mountain Brook teen disappeared on a graduation trip to the island…she was reportedly last seen in the company of van der Sloot.
The case was an international sensation and has stayed in or near the headlines ever since. The treatment by the news media has been calm compared to the five years of furor and fury online.
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him. That defense consists mainly of character attacks on Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty.
Prominent among those pressing that case is Renee Gielen, a film maker from Curacao who produced a 2008 documentary entitled "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines"….a title that morphs on screen to "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lies." The film was widely attacked on line as a cover up and vicious attack on Natalee and her family. Others saw it as a defense of both the van der Sloot family and Aruban authorities.
But isn’t that ancient history….hashed out on blogs and websites for years?
The story exploded back into prominence when Joran van der Sloot was charged with the murder of Stephany Flores…a 21 year old student found dead in van der Sloot’s Lima, Peru hotel room...five years to the day of Natelee’s disappearance.
And all the arguments are back again…this time charging various connections between Gielen and Ruven. A central figure in those arguments is cinematographer Dolph van Stapele, reportedly Ruven’s director of cinematography on Me and Mr. Jones and who had the same role in Gielen’s documentary…routinely referred to as a “crockumentary” by Holloway family advocates online.
There’s also a common thread that von Stapele is Gielen’s son.
Here’s a sampling of some of the online comments:
From a site called Refugees Unleashed:
Imladris wrote: There are gazillions of good cameramen, so why would you choose someone thas was affiliated with a shabby work like Renee's piece?
Nomdeguerre replied: Maybe because you use whoever you can get and Van Stapele or whatever his name is was on Aruba or available to go? If he worked on Renee Gielen's film, he would be familiar with Aruba, which doesn't hurt when you're filming (the light, the weather, etc.). I didn't not see Renee Gielen's documentary and so cannot comment on what's in it, but I see nothing suspicious about the fact that the same cameraman might have worked on both.
Here’s another exchange between Imladris and another poster, Black-Tulip:
Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
Imladris replied: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs.
And here’s a comment posted to "Explosive quotes from van der Sloot / Holloway movie maker" here on CBS42.com:
In the ditch - 8/7/2010 12:48 PM: he title of the original RNW article implies Ruven's film "searches for the truth" about Natalee Holloway's disappearance. What is not immediately obvious in the article is that Ruven was involved in another "trash and bash documentary" about Natalee Holloway produced by Renee Gielen. As taken from the posts: I think it goes like this..... Paul Ruven, the director of the new movie, was also the director of Renee Gielen's documentary. Dolph van Stapele, the director of photography and cinematographer, is Renee Gielen's son. Renee Gielen is Anita Van der Sloot's cousin. etc, etc, etc. So much for objectivity. Unfortunately (for Ruven), Joran went to Peru in the middle of the filming and put a serious kink in their story line. I know that people eat up sensationalistic films, but my gut feeling is to boycott this film.
So….what’s the relationship between Renee Gielen, Dolph van Stapele and Paul Ruven? How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?
CBS42.com has requested an interview with Ruven to clear all this up. He e-mailed us saying he’d get back to us. We’re still waiting. We've also attempted to reach Gielen. We'll keep you posted.
I don't know who is writing the WIAT Channel 42 articles, but they are doing a good job of researching.
and reading....Hooray for whoever it might be!!
I agree Magnolia!
I hope they'll keep digging!
Tangled web of the van der Sloot/ Holloway movie
What is the connection between "Me and Mr. Jones" and a previous documentary called a "crockumentary" and a vicious attack on the Holloway family?
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From the article: "On one side….defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban authorities who consider him a prime suspect in Natalee’s disappearance but have never charged him..." Now wait just a minute. On one side, defenders of Joran van der Sloot and the Aruban suthorities who consider him to be a prime suspect!!!??? Wouldn't those two groups be on opposite sides? Since I post regularly at the refugeesunleashed web site that you mis-quoted in your article, and since I have steadfastly defended the integrity of the investigation on Aruba, all the while suspecting that van der Sloot was, in fact, involved in Natalee's disappearance, and since I have never ever, even once, bashed Natalee Holloway on any internet forum, I take great umbrage at your attempt to lump me into the same (very small) group of posters that still defend Joran van der Sloot.
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opeenstokje
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Firstly: "How much, if any, of this speculation and online chatter is true?" NONE!! Mind my words. Secondly, before publishing your innuendo, rumors and speculation maybe it is to be recommended to re-read and check your copy/pasted qoutes first. Correct quotes: Black-Tulip: All I said was it looked like Stapele was involved in Gielen's alleged documentary. I don't know if he is her son, and I don't know if he is also working on Ruven's film. Imladris replied: If he worked on Gielen's piece of crap and he also is working on Ruven's film, then like I said, I would consider that highly suspicious and it would make me inclined to dismiss the film as bs. Thank you.
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Tangled-web-of-the-van-der-Sloot-Holloway-movie/U2mIykXJjEm0pEBJFWkFtQ.cspx?p=Comments
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We Never Stood a Chance!
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
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The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3. The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead. Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.
It's the U.S. vice-consul. At the van der Sloots' house.
Why is she here? She spots me. Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone. I don't want to talk to her. Who can we trust?
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
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It's the proverbial, Biblical
conflict between good and evil. It's verry, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are. And evil is always two steps ahead.
From the outset we never had a chance. But we didn't know it.
I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
Do we have a name address and photo of the evil American traitor U.S. consul ?
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