Natalee Case Discussion #844 7/31/10 - 8/29/2010

[texasmom]

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

8/18/2010 Aruba Today Page B3

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[darleenofalabama]

Just stopping in to say "hi" to Muffy, and everyone else. 

[texasmom]

http://annagroot.punt.nl/index.php?a=2006-02

Google translation:



http://www.zimbio.com/Natalee+Holloway/articles/11/Natalee+Holloway+4+years+on

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Guido Wever: Male model. Arrested May 2006 (then 19) in Utrecht the Netherlands on suspicion of battering, kidnapping and murder on request of the Aruban authorities who requested his extradiction. Wever was an apprentice croupier at the casino of Natalee’s hotel. He was working at the casino on May 29 2005, the night before NAtalee’s disappearance. After Natalee’s disappearance he was questioned 5 times. His arrest followed incriminating statements made by various former collegues at the casino. Supposedly he had appeared at work, the day after Natalee’s disappearance ‘looking worried’ and stopped working shortly thereafter ‘sooner than was planned’. Witnesses suddenly also remembered 8 months after the facts that he had had some deep scratches. Aided by lawyer Gerard Spong Wever was released 3 days later and though he ‘remained a suspect’, the police never showed any interest in him anymore. Spong mentioned Wever’s homoseksueal orientation as a factor that would make his involvement with an alledged rape turned murder of Natalee as highly unlikely. Rumours say that Natalee is burned in the Crematorium dat Guido’s moeder Yolanda supposedly has on Aruba.

[texasmom]

We won't give up...
Natalee and Stephany,
We want JUSTICE!

[adoronron]

I keep looking at the photo and still can't figure out what it shows. I've messed with brightness, constrast, hue, etc. I keep thinking I see what looks like a face in the upper left hand section of it.

This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

I don't see anything that looks like Natalee or a human but I do see in the upper right what looks like a car tire and wheel:

[Tamikosmom]

Eric Williams - Drug Enforcement Agent

Natalee Holloway's Uncle

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #716 1/29 -
« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2008, 04:30:29 PM »
 
When I called the Monday when Beth was first notified that Natalee was missing, I called 3 FBI locations, Wahington DC, and then a neighboring island, I can't spell it but it was Car? where we have a US office.  This was about 1:00PM Monday or so, and one of those offices explained that we had no presence in Aruba, but that we happened to have a US agent there of some kind, I really can't remember the exact type, but that they would contact him, advise him of the situation, I told them that a chaperone was still there, and they assured me he would be ables to assist Beth. This was before Beth even got to Birmingham, she was outside of Memphis.

That is why I have always thought this guy was legit, because I expected him to be there. To be honest, I didn't talk to Beth personally before she got to Aruba, I was left a message with my family, and I didn't talk to her for some time after she got to Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2548.msg334092;topicseen#msg334092


Jug Twitty

ldstlou
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 - 1/29/08
« Reply #925 on: January 29, 2008, 10:48:55 AM »

Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Holloway

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #827 12/9/09 -
« Reply #800 on: December 21, 2009, 06:40:22 PM »

Beth said: He was a legit DEA agent and was interviewed by 2 FBI guys

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6448.msg1041244;topicseen#msg1041244

[Edward]

Lori Berenson was arrested by police at the U.S. Embassy, where she was at what her father called a "regular consular meeting" to keep embassy officials apprised of her situation.

"She's calm. She is a very strong woman," her husband and lawyer, Anibal Apari, told reporters outside the embassy. "She is going to return to jail with her baby."

As she was led to a courthouse cell, Berenson carried her son in her arms.

Television footage later showed Berenson being taken to the Chorrillos women's prison in an ambulance. It is common practice in Peru to transfer prisoners in ambulances.

Deputy Justice Minister Luis Marill said the court struck down the May 27 decision that granted Berenson's parole — a decision that was widely unpopular in Peru.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_peru_lori_berenson

[antunym]

I keep looking at the photo and still can't figure out what it shows. I've messed with brightness, constrast, hue, etc. I keep thinking I see what looks like a face in the upper left hand section of it.

This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

I don't see anything that looks like Natalee or a human but I do see in the upper right what looks like a car tire and wheel:

I can't seem to see anything in it either...

[adoronron]

I should be working but this photo has me intrigued. Here's what I think so far.
It's a picture of sand. Some of it undisturbed, some of it disturbed. The dark areas are not disturbed and the lighter areas are disturbed. I think the dark spots in the lighter area are a dark liquid splatter and I see shovel marks within the lighter area. It looks like a spade shovel was used to drag sand toward the bottom of the photo. Notice there are no splatter spots within what I think are shovel marks. I don't think the view is looking straight down but rather it's at about a 45 degree angle. I have to look at the photo some more, but right now I think the tire/wheel may not be lying on the ground. Instead it's standing up. I don't see any typical automobile body work around the tire/wheel so I suspect if it's not free standing it would be mounted to a 4 wheel drive vehicle where there is not body work that low.
May be later I can spend more time looking at it - I need to get back to work.

[SuzieQ]

I think, like the plastic bags, everyone is going to see something different. I can almost see an impression where a body had been with tire tracks running over it.

[Blonde]

I keep looking at the photo and still can't figure out what it shows. I've messed with brightness, constrast, hue, etc. I keep thinking I see what looks like a face in the upper left hand section of it.

This site is that of a defrocked judge.  He is writing about Natalee.  I have followed since he started.  A poster named Carin supposedly challenged Anita to reveal who else was with Joran that night or she would reveal it.  Today there is a posting with the supposed email Carin sent to the Blogger.  There is a picture of a keycard and also supposedly one of Natalee at time of death.  The blog is closed to comments.  I was hoping we could grab the pics, just in case.

Several commenters, including "Mitch" at last asked the "nice" post that I would have toegstuurd Carin. I promised her permission. That she (or he) me through an email data.

Than post below:

Keycard Holiday Inn

I also received an equally unclear as macabre photographs, which would permit of Natalee Holloway shortly after she was slain / cqom killed was killed:

 Photo Natalee Holloway (this is the size of the picture as I received via email)

I also received a DVD of pieces mailed, which reconstruct the course of the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be shown.

Critical questions remained unanswered by me. Hard evidence were omitted. Then it stops. The only hard point was a fairly specific indication of where Natalee would be found.


http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/

I don't see anything that looks like Natalee or a human but I do see in the upper right what looks like a car tire and wheel:

I see a face could this be Natalee licence all torn up?

[Blonde]

origional

clicked Negitive
I cropped and darkend then saw a face am I nuts again

[antunym]

origional

clicked Negitive
I cropped and darkend then saw a face am I nuts again

Lol you would think we are all nuts with being here trying to make every picture possible and decipher everything that has been written.... why can't we just get an actual piece of evidence that is clear and couldn't be mistaken or guessed for anything else.  Someone open up a big piece of evidence here to get us all scrambling around again lol.

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/21080-falta-hopi-placa-na-bon-dia-aruba.html

Falta hopi placa na Bon Dia Aruba      
Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:22


 
 
Caribbean Speed Printers, e cas editorial y di imprenta di e dos corantnan Bon Dia Aruba y Aruba Today ta haciendo un investigacion financiero debi na falta di sumanan grandi den e compania. For di fuentenan bon na altura nos a compronde cu algun siman pasa a manda e director financiero cas y recientemente a “prohibi entrada” e director general tambe. Ta menciona sumanan grandi cu lo ta perdi, specialmente den e departamento di imprenta cu ta imprimi mas cu un corant na Aruba. Nos lo sigui e desaroyo aki masha di cerca.

Papiamentu translation:

miss quite coin at good morning aruba

thursday, 19 august 2010 20:22

caribbean speed printers, the cas editorial y by print by the two corantnan good morning aruba y aruba today is haciendo one investigacion financiero debi at miss by sumanan big in the compania. for by fuentenan good at altitude we owing to compronde cu some week happen owing to send the director financiero cas y recientemente owing to “prohibi entrada” the director general also. is menciona sumanan big cu will is perdi, specialmente in the departamento by print cu is print more cu one corant at aruba. we will follow the desaroyo here very by close.

[adoronron]

Blonde,

I've been out and about and got home about fifteen minutes ago. My photo software isn't as good as yours. I messed with the contrast and brightness and found this rectangle at the bottom center of the photo. Can you, using your photo software, get more detail out of that area of the photo? I want to know if there is a hand beside the rectangle. And it's probably too much to ask but can you see if you can get more detail on that rectangle - could be a key card.
The tire in the photo appears to have white lettering on it but I can't get enough detail to see what brand tire it is. Also I can just about clearly see the wheel spoke style. It appears to be have sort of a cross hatch pattern from the rim to the center.

[adoronron]

Here's the face I thought I saw. Look at the area I outlined, tilt your head left and you might see a frontal view of a face. I'm beginning to doubt that it's actually a face.

[wreck]

Well, I definitely saw what Blonde saw in the "drainage ditch bag" (or at least I can see what people think they see) -- but, I can't see jack in these latest photos -- sorry.

 

[adoronron]

Klaasend,
This is very urgent. I need your email address.

Ado

[MuffyBee]

Klaasend,
This is very urgent. I need your email address.

Ado

Klaasend's email address is smklaas@hotmail.com

[texasmom]

Not sure about this but it caught my eye.  I think it says that a 14 year old was seen going into the window of an apartment behind a house on Montana.  The child of A. S. lives in the apartment. 

Wondering if Sebastian could be living in the apartment that Joran lived in at one time? 

The 14 year old that was caught in the apartment seems to have some problems, from what I gather neither parent really wanted to deal with the situation, apparently this isn't his first run in with the police.  I think it says he's been detained several times for stealing.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

8/19/2010 Bondia Page 5



Polis di Noord a sorprende na Montana
Hobencito di 14 ana cu ta biba riba caya
y ta drenta den apartamento pa haci uso
di bano

Nan mayornan no sa kico mas pa haci cune

Noord - Segun informacion di polis,
diamars 9.20 di mainta, polis di Noord a
bay na un apartamento na Montana, naunda
ladron a drenta.  Na yegada polis a
papia cu e senora R, kende ta bisa polis
cu e ta tira bista pa e dono di e cas y
el a mira e homber D.R. naci na Aruba di
14 ana, bula dor di un bentana y a
drenta den un di e apartamentonan cu tin
tras di e cas.  Den e apartamento ta
biba e yiu di crianza A. S. Polis a
logra gara D.R. den e apartamento.  El a
bisa polis, cu como cu e no tin luga di
biba, el a drenta den e apartamento.  El
a bisa polis, cu como cu e no tin luga
di biba, el a drenta den e apartamento
pa haci uso di e bano.  Polis a hiba e
mucha homber na cas di su mama na Nune,
pero e mama a bisa polis cu e no kier
tin nada di haci cu e mucha dor di su
mal comportacion y a bisa polisnan cu ta
e tata nan a duna Voogdij riba dje. 
Polis a busca e tata J.R. y a papia
cune.  E tambe a bisa cu e no sa di
D.R., como cu e tin algun luna caba cu e
no ta na cas y ta biba riba caya.  Polis
a mustra e tata riba su responsbilidad y
a bise cu e mucha ta menor di edad y e
tin boogdij di e mucha.  Polis a bay cu
e yiu warda di Polis y a yama e tata, y
eynan Voogdijraad a wordo yama y a bin
na e sitio.  Despues di a papia cu nan
dos, e tata a bay cas cu e yiu.  Pero
ora cu e tata y yega na e auto, e mucha
a ranca careda y a core bay.  Polis a
core su tras y a logra gare.  Nan a
bolbe bay paden cune y a bolbe yama
Voogdijraad, cu a mustra cu no tin luga
pa pone e mucha y no por haci nada mas
pe.  Nan a laga e tata bay cune.  E tata
ta su responsabel.  Segun informacion di
polis, D.R. a wordo denten varios biaha
caba pa ladronisia.

Papiamentu translation:

police by north owing to sorprende at montana hobencito by 14 ana cu live on caya y is come into in apartment before haci usage by bano they parents not know kico more before haci cune

north - according informacion by police, tuesday 9.20 by morning, police by north owing to bay at one apartment at montana, naunda thief owing to come into. at arrival police owing to talk cu the senora r, that is say police cu the is throw view for her dono by the cas y past owing to see he d.r. naci at aruba by 14 ana, jump by by one window y owing to come into in one by the apartamentonan cu have behind the cas. in the apartment live the child by crianza a. s. police owing to succeed grab d.r. in the apartment. past owing to say police, cu because cu the not have luga by be alive, past owing to come into in the apartment. past owing to say police, cu because cu the not have luga by be alive, past owing to come into in the apartment before haci usage by the bano. police owing to bring the boy at home by her mam at nune, but the mam owing to say police cu the does not have nothing by haci cu the child by by her bad comportacion y owing to say polisnan cu is the father they owing to give voogdij on dje. police owing to busca the father j.r. y owing to talk cune. the also owing to say cu the not know by d.r., because cu the have some moon come to anend cu the do not at home y live on caya. police owing to indicate the father on her responsbilidad y owing to bise cu the child is younger by edad y the have boogdij by the child. police owing to bay cu the child keep by police y owing to be called the father, y eynan voogdijraad owing to wordo be called y owing to come at the sitio. after by owing to talk cu they two, the father owing to bay cas cu the child. but hour cu the father y arrive at the car, the child owing to ranca careda y owing to core bay. police owing to core her slow y owing to succeed gare. they owing to go back bay inside cune y owing to go back be called voogdijraad, cu owing to indicate cu not have luga before laydown the child y not can haci nothing more pe. they owing to allow the father bay cune. the father is her responsible. according informacion by police, d.r. owing to wordo denten several trip come to anend before ladronisia.