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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
anitakissee tweeted
Just learned WHY DeDe Spicher answered no questions in front of the grand jury today... and why her attorney wasn't even allowed in.
ME: hope we find out before midnite...
I didn't think attorneys were allowed in the GJ proceedings anyway.....
Maybe DeDe's trying to negotiate a deal for immunity.
Where is Kyron??
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Oops, I meant consecutive sentences.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Quote from: Tracygirl on July 26, 2010, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: JessStar on July 26, 2010, 07:59:43 PM
Well there you have it--I've been humbled!
So there is an Investigative Grand Jury empaneled. Very interesting. LE must have A LOT more than what we can even imagine to go that route.
Nice word DD--you indeed have a reliable source!
Jess no one here would ever think of you in any type of negative light, ever. We all value your input and opinion, (even when we disagree).
Thanks TG! You're awesome.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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So far, Dateline has been good. Not much new though.
But not any errors that I can find.
And did I mention the graphics? LOL
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Quote from: JessStar on July 26, 2010, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tracygirl on July 26, 2010, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: JessStar on July 26, 2010, 07:59:43 PM
Well there you have it--I've been humbled!
So there is an Investigative Grand Jury empaneled. Very interesting. LE must have A LOT more than what we can even imagine to go that route.
Nice word DD--you indeed have a reliable source!
Jess no one here would ever think of you in any type of negative light, ever. We all value your input and opinion, (even when we disagree).
Thanks TG! You're awesome.
Just wanted to tell you you are one awesome person. I've been a lurker for a long time and appreciate your work for children.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Tony and Desiree both think that Terri had something to do with Kyron's disappearance...Desiree thinks that it was a planned thing...
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Desiree states she believes that Terri "planned to do something with Kyron."
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Jess Star rocks!
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Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
anitakissee tweeted
Just learned WHY DeDe Spicher answered no questions in front of the grand jury today... and why her attorney wasn't even allowed in.
ME: hope we find out before midnite...
OS
Thank you.
I suspect that a plea deal is being made with the prosecutor ... a plea deal that implies that any participation of DeDe in covering up any wrongdoing ... will be forgiven in return for her testimony
I appreciate all the updates that are being posted on the forum right now but ... it is all too much for this 63 year old heart. Hey ... I just turned down an invite to come over to a neighbour's home for a game of scrabble and fresh blueberry pie. I am now convinced I am nuts.
Janet
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Quote from: doubledecker on July 26, 2010, 08:18:20 PM
Quote from: JessStar on July 26, 2010, 07:59:43 PM
Well there you have it--I've been humbled!
So there is an Investigative Grand Jury empaneled. Very interesting. LE must have A LOT more than what we can even imagine to go that route.
Nice word DD--you indeed have a reliable source!
thanks jess, but I am still with you on this, was
very unusual
for this to happen...
now let me run this one by you, as this one I am wondering about also...
let's just say this as a hypothetical...
say terri was not on sauvie, lets say she was somewhere else and it was across the state line.
could we have a fed grand jury rather than a state one? or can a state one handle both states?
what is your thought on this?
Great question, DD. The answer is, without having more facts, I don't know, as the answer depends on a very detailed factual analysis of where the crime or crimes occurred. Kidnapping is a federal crime if the kidnapping crosses state lines. So if SM kidnapped Kyron and took him across state lines and did something to him, then yes, you can have a federal crime. I don't know what the law is in Oregon, but in some states, a parent or custodian can kidnap his/her own child if the kidnapping is perpetuated through false pretenses. (for example, "Come with me, son--we're going to go to CITY X to get an ice cream" but instead, parent takes son across state lines and kills him). It's impossible for murder to cross state lines so murder can't be a federal crime (unless the murder has a federal component--think Timothy McVey). There's a possibility that the MFH plot can be a federal crime if "the wires" or mail were used to perpetrate it. Those are just a few examples. The analysis is very complex and factually detailed. I couldn't even begin to answer it without knowing more.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Janet...you turned down pie and scrabble?? I am worried about you lol!
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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July 26, 2010, 10:53:50 PM »
Quote from: seemeatthebeach on July 26, 2010, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
anitakissee tweeted
Just learned WHY DeDe Spicher answered no questions in front of the grand jury today... and why her attorney wasn't even allowed in.
ME: hope we find out before midnite...
I didn't think attorneys were allowed in the GJ proceedings anyway.....
Maybe DeDe's trying to negotiate a deal for immunity.
Where is Kyron??
They are not allowed as far as I know.
I am thinking immunity also can't think of any other reason for going to GJ and either not being asked questions or not answering questions ask. Makes no sense to me.
guess time will tell.
OS
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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July 26, 2010, 10:56:40 PM »
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:53:50 PM
Quote from: seemeatthebeach on July 26, 2010, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
anitakissee tweeted
Just learned WHY DeDe Spicher answered no questions in front of the grand jury today... and why her attorney wasn't even allowed in.
ME: hope we find out before midnite...
I didn't think attorneys were allowed in the GJ proceedings anyway.....
Maybe DeDe's trying to negotiate a deal for immunity.
Where is Kyron??
They are not allowed as far as I know.
I am thinking immunity also can't think of any other reason for going to GJ and either not being asked questions or not answering questions ask. Makes no sense to me.
guess time will tell.
OS
Why?
Janet
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2010, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
anitakissee tweeted
Just learned WHY DeDe Spicher answered no questions in front of the grand jury today... and why her attorney wasn't even allowed in.
ME: hope we find out before midnite...
OS
Thank you.
I suspect that a plea deal is being made with the prosecutor ... a plea deal that implies that any participation of DeDe in covering up any wrongdoing ... will be forgiven in return for her testimony
I appreciate all the updates that are being posted on the forum right now but ... it is all too much for this 63 year old heart. Hey ... I just turned down an invite to come over to a neighbour's home for a game of scrabble and fresh blueberry pie. I am now convinced I am nuts.
Janet
This case is mind boggling for sure, and hard to follow for me at least.
I am still at the school waiting for LE to tell me some facts, I am 64 hope it's not too long.
Wow, bluberry pie, yummm..don't think I would pass that up.
OS
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2010, 10:56:40 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:53:50 PM
Quote from: seemeatthebeach on July 26, 2010, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
anitakissee tweeted
Just learned WHY DeDe Spicher answered no questions in front of the grand jury today... and why her attorney wasn't even allowed in.
ME: hope we find out before midnite...
I didn't think attorneys were allowed in the GJ proceedings anyway.....
Maybe DeDe's trying to negotiate a deal for immunity.
Where is Kyron??
They are not allowed as far as I know.
I am thinking immunity also can't think of any other reason for going to GJ and either not being asked questions or not answering questions ask. Makes no sense to me.
guess time will tell.
OS
Why?
Janet
No defense is ever offered in a GJ, maybe Jess can explain it.
It's all prosecution in a GJ.
OS
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2010, 10:56:40 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:53:50 PM
Quote from: seemeatthebeach on July 26, 2010, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
anitakissee tweeted
Just learned WHY DeDe Spicher answered no questions in front of the grand jury today... and why her attorney wasn't even allowed in.
ME: hope we find out before midnite...
I didn't think attorneys were allowed in the GJ proceedings anyway.....
Maybe DeDe's trying to negotiate a deal for immunity.
Where is Kyron??
They are not allowed as far as I know.
I am thinking immunity also can't think of any other reason for going to GJ and either not being asked questions or not answering questions ask. Makes no sense to me.
guess time will tell.
OS
Why?
Janet
It is all to keep the secrecy of the GJ. IMO.
Defense lawyers are not allowed to be present in the grand jury room and cannot present evidence, but may be available outside the room to consult with witnesses. The prosecutor and the grand jury members may not reveal what occurred in the grand jury room and witnesses cannot obtain a transcript of their testimony.
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Why are grand jury proceedings secret?
Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure provide that the prosecutor, grand jurors, and the grand jury stenographer are prohibited from disclosing what happened before the grand jury, unless ordered to do so in a judicial proceeding. Secrecy was originally designed to protect the grand jurors from improper pressures. The modern justifications are to prevent the escape of people whose indictment may be contemplated, to ensure that the grand jury is free to deliberate without outside pressure, to prevent subornation of perjury or witness tampering prior to a subsequent trial, to encourage people with information about a crime to speak freely, and to protect the innocent accused from disclosure of the fact that he or she was under investigation.
http://www.abanet.org/media/faqjury.html
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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I'd be more willing to entertain the thought of an innocent TH if she'd taken the $350,000 and added it to the reward money for finding Kyron. I read the stuff from earlier in the thread where she had a friend speaking for her telling that all the online chatter was hurtful. Interesting. Why not have your friend mention your desire to have Kyron back and the need to find him?
I think I know the answer to that.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Reply #697 on:
July 26, 2010, 11:04:16 PM »
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2010, 10:56:40 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:53:50 PM
Quote from: seemeatthebeach on July 26, 2010, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
anitakissee tweeted
Just learned WHY DeDe Spicher answered no questions in front of the grand jury today... and why her attorney wasn't even allowed in.
ME: hope we find out before midnite...
I didn't think attorneys were allowed in the GJ proceedings anyway.....
Maybe DeDe's trying to negotiate a deal for immunity.
Where is Kyron??
They are not allowed as far as I know.
I am thinking immunity also can't think of any other reason for going to GJ and either not being asked questions or not answering questions ask. Makes no sense to me.
guess time will tell.
OS
Why?
Janet
No defense is ever offered in a GJ, maybe Jess can explain it.
It's all prosecution in a GJ.
OS
OS,
I must have missed something. What school are you talking about? Where are you??
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Quote from: 4 Donks on July 26, 2010, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: JessStar on July 26, 2010, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tracygirl on July 26, 2010, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: JessStar on July 26, 2010, 07:59:43 PM
Well there you have it--I've been humbled!
So there is an Investigative Grand Jury empaneled. Very interesting. LE must have A LOT more than what we can even imagine to go that route.
Nice word DD--you indeed have a reliable source!
Jess no one here would ever think of you in any type of negative light, ever. We all value your input and opinion, (even when we disagree).
Thanks TG! You're awesome.
Just wanted to tell you you are one awesome person. I've been a lurker for a long time and appreciate your work for children.
Thank you EVERYONE for your kind words. I really appreciate it. Everyone in this forum has such a passion for helping our kids, and so many put so much of their blood, sweat, tears and time into it. Kudos to everyone. It can be very emotionally trying at times.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #10 7/25/10 - 7/27/10
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Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2010, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: ospainter on July 26, 2010, 10:33:17 PM
anitakissee tweeted
Just learned WHY DeDe Spicher answered no questions in front of the grand jury today... and why her attorney wasn't even allowed in.
ME: hope we find out before midnite...
OS
Thank you.
I suspect that a plea deal is being made with the prosecutor ... a plea deal that implies that any participation of DeDe in covering up any wrongdoing ... will be forgiven in return for her testimony
I appreciate all the updates that are being posted on the forum right now but ... it is all too much for this 63 year old heart. Hey ... I just turned down an invite to come over to a neighbour's home for a game of scrabble and fresh blueberry pie. I am now convinced I am nuts.
Janet
This case is mind boggling for sure, and hard to follow for me at least.
I am still at the school waiting for LE to tell me some facts,
I am 64 hope it's not too long.
Wow, bluberry pie, yummm..don't think I would pass that up.
OS
OS
I fear we will both be pushing up daisies by the time that miracle occurs. However ... DeDe's attorney has given me some hope that there is a light at the end of the tunnel in the Kyron Horman case.
I am so thankful.
Janet
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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