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« Reply #700 on: August 15, 2010, 08:28:15 AM »

IF this data is legitimate, then it would appear that George could not be Caylee's father, nor could Lee, nor Jesse.  
From what I understand, George never submitted a DNA sample, so it is possible that Hinkey is inaccurate. LE may have attained DNA that they believe belongs to George.
The reason for this is because George was never a suspect. The timing is critical on this because they wanted him to feel that freedom and mess up and maybe offer more clues in his clumsiness. Now George is close to being charged for something... and then the DNA will be asked for and analyzed. George doesn't want that. He's very coy since he knows the system.

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« Reply #701 on: August 15, 2010, 08:33:49 AM »

Geraldo did a piece tonight on Mother's in denial and had Dina Lohan next to Rosebud in a split screen  I caught the tail end of what he was saying.  He said the prosecution should never have put the death penalty on the table.  One of his talking heads reminded him that if Casey did the research about neck breaking etc then it was premeditated and the DP belongs on the table.  Geraldo then said something about Casey being a product of her upbringing.  Wonder if Bobo had any input to the piece tonight?  I would have loved to have seen it from the beginning.
Gotta love Geraldo. He knows how to build drama. He also has connections like Barbara Walters and digs into stories.
I agree, Casey is the product of psychological manipulation, I would add incest. So many pregnant teens are forced to keep the baby by their parents, and laws keep adding complications to abortion. Thank goodness there is a new FDA approved morning after pill that works 5 days after the act. It's a shame that men don't take more responsibility for spreading their seeds. Women are usually the responsible ones and Casey did have to deal with the circumstances of lack of coping skills not taught by her parents.
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« Reply #702 on: August 15, 2010, 10:11:09 AM »

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
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Did George Anthony Molest Casey Anthony
That's interesting. Yes George molested Casey, but what does that mean? Boob grab? Penetration? Intercourse? How often? At what age did it start? Who has Casey told? So many questions!
And why was Lee eliminated as the father of Caylee??????
DNA testing by FBI labs eliminated both Lee and George as Caylee's bio daddy.
Please give me the link to that FBI report. I have seen it said on a blog where they showed the profile but to this day I have not been able to find the FBI report showing George's DNA profile. I have searched and searched, to no avail.

The blogger who is usually very accurate received that information from "someone else", so until I see the actual report, I will have to stand with my previous assumption that George's has not been released yet and that is some more of the misinformation the Anthony family has put out.
I'm not sure if this is what you meant by "the actual report," Turbo, but it was all that I could find. 

FBI DNA test results for George and Lee are contained in this .pdf file of the discovery released Sept. 29, 2009: 
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html
The chart is on Page 87.
George is K7-1, and Lee is K9-1.

FBI DNA test results for Caylee and Casey are contained in this .pdf file of the discovery released Oct. 9, 2009:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21252257/detail.html
The chart is on Page 56.
Caylee is Q18-1, and Casey is K1-1.


And for those who have not seen the blog post Turbo referenced, here is where Valhall of Hinky Meter expanded upon the conclusions her friend/reader Brenda had submitted.  Val put all the DNA info on a spreadsheet chart in order to visually compare how everyone's alleles line up:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2009/10/31/about-caylees-parentage/

IF this data is legitimate, then it would appear that George could not be Caylee's father, nor could Lee, nor Jesse.  And btw, despite the speculation I read somewhere (I think it was here at SM) about George's DNA ruling him out as Casey's father, it actually appears from the FBI data that George and Cindy both match up as the parents of both Lee and Casey.

Bottom line, according to this data, Cindy and George are the parents of Lee and Casey.  Casey is the mother of Caylee.  Caylee's father is NOT George, Lee, or Jesse.  Caylee's father is still unknown.

I am having trouble getting this to download this morning as it is 662 pages but will get it eventually. I am going to print off those pages which refer to the DNA and take them first of the week to the University of Tennessee DNA specialist and also send them to my friend who is a Ph.D. in BioForensics in Michigan and see what their take is on this. I can't remember, but for some reason, I did not think that George's was in this release, and I have read it many times.  If it is, we will get to the truth in this.
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« Reply #703 on: August 15, 2010, 10:16:05 AM »

IF this data is legitimate, then it would appear that George could not be Caylee's father, nor could Lee, nor Jesse.   
From what I understand, George never submitted a DNA sample, so it is possible that Hinkey is inaccurate. LE may have attained DNA that they believe belongs to George.
The reason for this is because George was never a suspect. The timing is critical on this because they wanted him to feel that freedom and mess up and maybe offer more clues in his clumsiness. Now George is close to being charged for something... and then the DNA will be asked for and analyzed. George doesn't want that. He's very coy since he knows the system.



That was my understanding also. I am very curious now if that was his actual DNA or it was a test sample they used. I still can't find where it says it is George Anthonys. When I took the first on which was on Hinky meter to my friend at UT, they said if that was George's then he was not Casey's father either, so my instinct now is you are right and it was not George's to begin with.
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« Reply #704 on: August 15, 2010, 10:25:34 AM »

Eyes for Lies weighed in on Cindy's level of truthfulness back in July of 2008, shortly after the case broke.  Here is an excerpt of what she had to say:

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http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2008/07/grandmother-cindy-anthony.html

"Many of you believe she is being dishonest and not genuine.

I have to disagree. When I watch Cindy speak in this video, she is genuine and true."

More recently, this was her assessment after watching their Good Morning America appearance a couple of months back:

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http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2010/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-on-gma-today.html

"So many people believe the Anthonys are lying, and I couldn't disagree more."

Her expert opinion is that they are both just in denial.   

No expert is 100% accurate and this is one she missed. Denial does NOT lie and destroy evidence because one is denial would see no reason to -
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« Reply #705 on: August 15, 2010, 11:09:17 AM »

NO evidence to connect KC............KC is not that smart............this leads me back to the 24th when George & KC were at the house and the "script" about the trunk.  I have always wondered if George found the body that day because the story was way too rehearsed to ring true.

Who would know how to wipe down everything to prevent finger prints from being anywhere? George.
It is impossible for there not to be fingerprints on a car trunk, or anywhere in a trunk of a car. I can see the prints being degraded from the garbage bags due to the time element but there is no way there could be no prints anywhere in that trunk unless it had been "sanitized" by someone who KNEW how to do it. Think about it.
Turbo, you and I are on the same page! There is something fishy about that gas-can return day. No witnesses, contrived story. George used the same method to get to Casey that mom tried by calling the police about stolen gas cans... and it worked for him. How did she know to meet up with him? Maybe he threatened to out their little affair to Cindy, or Tony?
And yes, the smell would have been apparent when the trunk was open dispite the gasoline odor. And Casey had planned to burn the body with gasoline by the airport and George probably stopped her because the body would be discovered. And is this the point that Casey went to Sawgrass to dream up a story?

Turbo and JJay (Love your hair!)  Early on, when Greta was talking about this case and during an interview with George and Cindy, George said that when he saw Casey on June 24  he told her he wanted the chocks to rotate Cindy's tires.  She cursed at him and  he brushed by her and opened the trunk. I don't know what George was going to say, but Cindy said, "And there were the cans."  It seems to me that George said he had a key to the trunk, but I'm kind of hazey on that. Not hazey on the rest of it.

I believe that in addition to finding the gas cans, he found a dead Caylee and helped place her body in the woods.  IMO
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« Reply #706 on: August 15, 2010, 11:15:01 AM »

If George found a dead Caylee in the trunk  and obviously he wouldn't call the police, IF this happened you would think he would have found somewhere, a decent place to bury Caylee and not toss her where she was tossed. I can't stand George, frankly I think he is useless, but just can't picture a grandfather tossing his granddaughter like that 
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« Reply #707 on: August 15, 2010, 11:24:57 AM »

Eyes for Lies weighed in on Cindy's level of truthfulness back in July of 2008, shortly after the case broke.  Here is an excerpt of what she had to say:

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http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2008/07/grandmother-cindy-anthony.html

"Many of you believe she is being dishonest and not genuine.

I have to disagree. When I watch Cindy speak in this video, she is genuine and true."

More recently, this was her assessment after watching their Good Morning America appearance a couple of months back:

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http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2010/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-on-gma-today.html

"So many people believe the Anthonys are lying, and I couldn't disagree more."

Her expert opinion is that they are both just in denial.   

No expert is 100% accurate and this is one she missed. Denial does NOT lie and destroy evidence because one is denial would see no reason to -

I'm not a big believer in profilers, body language experts, etc. because it is often a matter of opinion--in fact, IMO, it is always a matter of opinion.  I remember a murder in, I think New Orleans, and it was suppose to be a white dude living with his mother, etc.  It turned out to be an African American with none of the characteristics claimed by the profiler. It's kind of voo-doo to me.  DNA? That's different.  Scientific.  Proven to be.  I don't know how it was determined that George's DNA went by the designation K-6 or whatever. If his name is definitely attacked to it by the FBI, then that's pretty definitive, IMO.  If not, and is just identified by a letter-number, It isn't.  Just another guess. 

And that guy who sent letter bombs to heads of corporations?  He wasn't found by a profiler although they claimed he was.  His brother turned him in.
I just a skeptic when it comes to profilers and language experts, pyschics, etc. but I'm skeptical about most things I read on the internet. I need a reliable, proven source such as the FBI Lab--not their profilers--Then I'm a believer.

No offense intended.  That's just my perspective on it.
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« Reply #708 on: August 15, 2010, 11:26:32 AM »

Uh....George's name "ATTACHED" to it. 
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« Reply #709 on: August 15, 2010, 12:03:18 PM »

I agree about George NOT being ruled out.  Never thought he was.  I also have in memory the anguish he presented when in depositions with the other case.  He got very serious and i noted many changes within his demeanor.  He stated something like.....   I am not going there when asked to describe what he saw in the trunk that day.  He took a serious stand when they asked him to describe the last day he saw Caylee. From this... My opinion is that he saw Caylee in the trunk that morning.  Maybe he did not have anything to do with disposal in the woods.  However,  I think he told Casey to take care of the mess she created.  Did Lee assist?   All this will come out in trial.

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« Reply #710 on: August 15, 2010, 12:08:39 PM »

If George found a dead Caylee in the trunk   and obviously he wouldn't call the police, IF this happened you would think he would have found somewhere, a decent place to bury Caylee and not toss her where she was tossed. I can't stand George, frankly I think he is useless, but just can't picture a grandfather tossing his granddaughter like that  

I think the "toss in the woods" was a temporary remedy to an immediate need. I think there was something which happened to make them need to get rid of the body fast. That was close, and not easily found. Then the rains came in so fast the body became covered in water and they could not retrieve it. I don't think it was ever the intended place, but became that because of the fast flooding.
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« Reply #711 on: August 15, 2010, 12:21:09 PM »


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FBI DNA test results for George and Lee are contained in this .pdf file of the discovery released Sept. 29, 2009:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147519/detail.html
The chart is on Page 87.
George is K7-1, and Lee is K9-1.


And for those who have not seen the blog post Turbo referenced, here is where Valhall of Hinky Meter expanded upon the conclusions her friend/reader Brenda had submitted.  Val put all the DNA info on a spreadsheet chart in order to visually compare how everyone's alleles line up:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2009/10/31/about-caylees-parentage/

IF this data is legitimate, then it would appear that George could not be Caylee's father, nor could Lee, nor Jesse.  And btw, despite the speculation I read somewhere (I think it was here at SM) about George's DNA ruling him out as Casey's father, it actually appears from the FBI data that George and Cindy both match up as the parents of both Lee and Casey.



The pdf will not download for the one you listed for George and Lee -(the KC one does) has anyone seen a different source for that one? I contacted the station and they said there was something not working for that one and they did not know if they would be fixing it or not.
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« Reply #712 on: August 15, 2010, 12:42:21 PM »

I think the "toss in the woods" was a temporary remedy to an immediate need. I think there was something which happened to make them need to get rid of the body fast. That was close, and not easily found. Then the rains came in so fast the body became covered in water and they could not retrieve it. I don't think it was ever the intended place, but became that because of the fast flooding.
I'm with ya. Maybe hiding it from Cindy? Maybe a secret pact of secrets with George and Casey.
And then George played dumb when he picked up the car and there still was a smell!!!

I think George put a snake in the road because he patrolled the place and saw the meter readers hanging out there.
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« Reply #713 on: August 15, 2010, 01:36:08 PM »

I don't know much, but IF it turns out that George is Caylee's father  not a jury in the world would give the death penalty to Casey, imo. I honestly don't think a jury will anyway, imo.
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« Reply #714 on: August 15, 2010, 02:03:17 PM »



What is this!!! Surely George's whole life was pretty much picked clean and open for general inspection before they paid this PI another $1000 for absolutely NOTHING we don't know already. I'm so glad I don't live in Florida cos I'd be writing to the powers that be everyday complaining about the waste of taxpayer dollars.
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« Reply #715 on: August 15, 2010, 02:04:32 PM »

And I'll say one more thing, because it is obvious I can't shut up    I don't think much more in this case would startle me, but IF it turns out that George is the father, I will be beyond startled. 
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« Reply #716 on: August 15, 2010, 02:18:31 PM »

And I'll say one more thing, because it is obvious I can't shut up    I don't think much more in this case would startle me, but IF it turns out that George is the father, I will be beyond startled. 


From what I have seen and read about it George can simply not be the father, I'll eat the monkey branch I'm sitting on if he is...
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« Reply #717 on: August 15, 2010, 02:20:54 PM »

And I'll say one more thing, because it is obvious I can't shut up    I don't think much more in this case would startle me, but IF it turns out that George is the father, I will be beyond startled. 


From what I have seen and read about it George can simply not be the father, I'll eat the monkey branch I'm sitting on if he is...
I just pray he isn't is all I will say on the topic  I don't understand any of the DNA stuff, and I could look at charts all day and it would make no sense to me.
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« Reply #718 on: August 15, 2010, 02:32:04 PM »

If George found a dead Caylee in the trunk  and obviously he wouldn't call the police, IF this happened you would think he would have found somewhere, a decent place to bury Caylee and not toss her where she was tossed. I can't stand George, frankly I think he is useless, but just can't picture a grandfather tossing his granddaughter like that 
Norose~  me too.  I really don't believe wimpy George has it in him to be an active participant in tossing her.  I'm thinking that during the gas can/chock incident he may have seen the garbage bag with caylee in it, but only figured it out after the facts came to light. For a person who has a smidge of conscience that would put you in a guilt trip, especially if you didn't tell what you probably saw.  Of course this theory is based on him having any conscience!
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« Reply #719 on: August 15, 2010, 02:35:43 PM »

If George found a dead Caylee in the trunk  and obviously he wouldn't call the police, IF this happened you would think he would have found somewhere, a decent place to bury Caylee and not toss her where she was tossed. I can't stand George, frankly I think he is useless, but just can't picture a grandfather tossing his granddaughter like that 
Norose~  me too.  I really don't believe wimpy George has it in him to be an active participant in tossing her.  I'm thinking that during the gas can/chock incident he may have seen the garbage bag with caylee in it, but only figured it out after the facts came to light. For a person who has a smidge of conscience that would put you in a guilt trip, especially if you didn't tell what you probably saw.  Of course this theory is based on him having any conscience!
I can't stand the man, but just don't see him being so vicious as to toss his granddaughter's body like that. But maybe he did 
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