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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: Lifesong on August 02, 2010, 04:09:50 PM
Quote from: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 03:12:00 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm
Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.
The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.
It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering,
but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.
Well, I think this is good news! I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify.
Thanks for posting it, Brandi.
BBM .. I think it gives us a clue as to exactly what the GJ is investigating.
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BREAKING NEWS:
Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning
1 p.m
http://www.katu.com/
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.
all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: BabsKats on August 02, 2010, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 03:51:32 PM
Quote from: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 02:43:07 PM
Maybe Terri just handed Kyron off. Maybe thats why she was not dirty? If she did hand him off and dede was involved it could be because dede knew the person to hand him off to? could dede be the brains behind the kidnapping? I dont know but I try to look at all the options.
anything is possible, and I do think DeDe is involved, why I have no idea.
The time line of her leaving the gym and going home what did she do for 40 minutes? or is that just what is known when she left and when she got on facebook?
12:40 p.m. left gym By 1:21, Terri claimed she'd traveled home - a distance of nearly 11 miles - and was posting photos on Facebook (40 minutes)
http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html
Another thought was she going to say she went home early because of Kiara not feeling well and somebody posting/playing on her facebook account? But that didn't work out while doing the deed, so scraped that plan and went to plan b?
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Where was Kiara? was she at the science fair. somone posted as a teacher from skyline on Oregon Live stating Kiara wasnt there. if she had an earache why would she take her to the gym?
I have wondered about the dr appointments being verified~dates ect..what the staff at gym said ~were there cameras at the gym? was kiara with terri ? was she crying with an earache at the gym?why take her there if she has an earache ? why drive her around ? did she take her to the dr to get her some ear meds?or was that all a lie?
Welcome Lucky 7, and thank you for questioning "Where was Kiara", I know this has been brought up several times throughout but never a clear answer has been given. You would think during the Q & A's with Kaine and Desiree a reporter would have at least asked for clarification? They should be able to answer with some specifics if its been verified that Terri was in the grocery store videos, etc.
Thanks BabsKats ! I agree they should get that clarified. from what I gathered about the terri videos in the store is that no one was with her.of couse no one is for sure.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
BREAKING NEWS:
Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning
1 p.m
http://www.katu.com/
do you think they are preparing for an arrest?
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
BREAKING NEWS:
Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning
1 p.m
http://www.katu.com/
do you think they are preparing for an arrest?
I thought they were preparing for an arrest weeks ago so what do I know
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 03:12:00 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm
Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.
The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.
It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.
Well, I think this is good news! I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify.
Thanks for posting it, Brandi.
I don't recall, has Terri been called by the grand jury yet?
We haven't heard.
It would be unusual for the prosecution to subpoena the target of a grand jury investigation to testify before the grand jury. First, the prosecution is under no obligation to present the defense's side. Second, the prosecution is under no obligation to present "exculpatory" evidence. The question is whether there is sufficient evidence to convict. Since the state cannot compel a criminal defendant to testify at the merits trial, it would be most unusual for a prosecutor to subpoena the target because, assuming the target would not assert the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination, the target, if charged, would not likely testify at trial, therefore making the indictment suspect.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Thanks for the gj info JessStar
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:16:05 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo
The Key to Finding Kyron Horman
Former captain with the Multnomah county sheriff's office Bruce Mccain spoke with Erica Hill on the latest in the search for Kyron Horman and the probe on his step mother and those who know her.
Video 8/2 states
dede said she didnt have her phone with her on Jun 4th
(however I remember seeing somewhere she called terri for 3 min during the 90 min timeframe) (
her atty also said she never left the home she was working at
) <in another video ~how strange is all that.
I could swear I read somewhere that she left after receiving a phone call. Besides that, what if: Terri picked DeDe up (maybe DeDe hat to walk a block to meet her), so DeDe's car was still at the location she worked. Then Terri drives to gym and DeDe takes the wheel. DeDe does what she has to do to help Terri, returns to pick up Terri, and gets dropped back at work, while Terri goes home. Purely hypothetical of course.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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August 02, 2010, 04:51:20 PM »
Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
BREAKING NEWS:
Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning
1 p.m
http://www.katu.com/
do you think they are preparing for an arrest?
Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: JessStar on August 02, 2010, 04:47:27 PM
Quote from: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:28:32 PM
Quote from: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: Lifesong on August 02, 2010, 04:09:50 PM
Quote from: Brandi on August 02, 2010, 03:12:00 PM
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/breakingnews/story/Kaine-Desiree-and-Tony-Young-called-before-grand/10QkYxWoqkyk5HGxkWOiMg.cspx
Kaine, Desiree and Tony Young called before grand jury
Last Update: 12:10 pm
Tony Young, Desiree Young and Kaine Horman appeared before a Multnomah County grand jury for the first time Monday, less than a week after Terri Horman’s friend, DeDe Spicher, briefly appeared.
The trio, who have been adamant about Terri’s involvement in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, were stoic and speechless before a throng of cameras outside the courthouse on Southwest 4th avenue.
It’s unclear what charges the grand jury is pondering, but the only thing all those people - Kaine, Desiree, Tony and DeDe - have in common is Terri Horman and Kyron Horman.
Well, I think this is good news! I'd thought it was odd that they hadn't been called to testify.
Thanks for posting it, Brandi.
I don't recall, has Terri been called by the grand jury yet?
We haven't heard.
It would be unusual for the prosecution to subpoena the target of a grand jury investigation to testify before the grand jury. First, the prosecution is under no obligation to present the defense's side. Second, the prosecution is under no obligation to present "exculpatory" evidence. The question is whether there is sufficient evidence to convict. Since the state cannot compel a criminal defendant to testify at the merits trial, it would be most unusual for a prosecutor to subpoena the target because, assuming the target would not assert the 5th amendment privilege against self-incrimination, the target, if charged, would not likely testify at trial, therefore making the indictment suspect.
Just to clarify, the indictment would be suspect because it would be based on evidence the prosecution would most likely not have the chance to present at the merits trial--that is, the target's, now defendant's, testimony.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Thanks for the gj info JessStar
You bet, Klaas.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
BREAKING NEWS:
Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning
1 p.m
http://www.katu.com/
do you think they are preparing for an arrest?
The Grand Jury would have to return an indictment first. If these three witnesses are being called to testify, it says to me that the Grand Jury is still taking evidence.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
BREAKING NEWS:
Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning
1 p.m
http://www.katu.com/
do you think they are preparing for an arrest?
Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?
thats possible, but since they were ALL called and dede was before them i dont know.
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Quote from: d in texas on August 02, 2010, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
BREAKING NEWS:
Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning
1 p.m
http://www.katu.com/
do you think they are preparing for an arrest?
Would one think since KH,DY and TY were called to Grand Jury it isn't just for the MFH Plot?
Exactly what I was thinking. The only one who
might
have evidence to offer GJ regarding MFH would be Kaine, and even that's highly unlikely given what we've read...
It's got to be Kyron. Gosh, I hope this is it!
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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Always appreciate your info JessStar
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Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:33:39 PM
I believe whoever dede was surronded with around and soon after kyron goes missing needs to be questioned as a little boy is missing & scared.
look at this web page from JJ speaking about portland (they go on Jun 8th)
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
Very important ...Three of us, myself and two myrmidons, are traveling economically to Portland Oregon to spend two days going to farms
one of those myrmidons is pea whom talks to dede.
all im saying is they should be questioned at the very least.
I have scoured the tweets and associated blogs of enlocale and pea. They are both chef/foodistas from the east coast who came to Portland to prepare a "farm dinner" for 40. It is clear that Rosemont farms happens to be one of the purveyors and DeDe was one of the many workers utilized to produce and serve this dinner. I believe it to be coincidental to Kyron's disappearance. It is my opinion that neither of these east coast chefs is involved. I'm not saying that the posts should be ignored by LE; however, I doubt the posts are integral to the investigation. Here are the links on the blogs associated with the farm dinner. The blogs will give you a better feel for the tweets.
http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/2010/06/pdx.html
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #13
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August 02, 2010, 04:57:35 PM »
Quote from: Scatty on August 02, 2010, 04:51:09 PM
Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:16:05 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6736428n&tag=related;photovideo
The Key to Finding Kyron Horman
Former captain with the Multnomah county sheriff's office Bruce Mccain spoke with Erica Hill on the latest in the search for Kyron Horman and the probe on his step mother and those who know her.
Video 8/2 states
dede said she didnt have her phone with her on Jun 4th
(however I remember seeing somewhere she called terri for 3 min during the 90 min timeframe) (
her atty also said she never left the home she was working at
) <in another video ~how strange is all that.
I could swear I read somewhere that she left after receiving a phone call. Besides that, what if: Terri picked DeDe up (maybe DeDe hat to walk a block to meet her), so DeDe's car was still at the location she worked. Then Terri drives to gym and DeDe takes the wheel. DeDe does what she has to do to help Terri, returns to pick up Terri, and gets dropped back at work, while Terri goes home. Purely hypothetical of course.
Maybe this is what you are thinking about?
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Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.
Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html
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Quote from: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:50:59 PM
Thanks for the gj info JessStar
jes TY
i have a Q jess, if the GJ do not find enough evidence to go to trial, at this time
can a new GJ be convened an hear old and new evidence later,is there a time limt
on any case for the GJ, like how many times can they go to the GJ with the same case
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Quote from: JessStar on August 02, 2010, 04:55:10 PM
Quote from: Lucky7 on August 02, 2010, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on August 02, 2010, 04:33:17 PM
BREAKING NEWS:
Desiree, Kaine and Tony to testify for a Multnomah County grand jury beginning
1 p.m
http://www.katu.com/
do you think they are preparing for an arrest?
The Grand Jury would have to return an indictment first. If these three witnesses are being called to testify, it says to me that the Grand Jury is still taking evidence.
isnt this GJ a little different than normal GJ? it is an investigative GJ whats the difference ? can you clarify?
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===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
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