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« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2010, 06:49:33 PM »

Wreck,

Sometimes I want just anything to happen, anything!  Just to have some news!

But thinking more logically, Dr. Phil/Oprah have attroneys on retainers so they have to pay at least part of their fees anyway whether they use them or not, etc.

The Kalpoes don't.  So all this is ever-mounting expense for them and whoever is backing them which I am sure is AHATA/ATA/some Aruban govt agency.

Ever court filing is costing Aruba.  It's not unusual to have a "complex case" for this much money drag out like this.

Also it is "our system" to do everything possible to give everybody their day in court.  Then they don't have that as a basis for an appeal.  So the continuations mean nothing except to cost the Kalpoes more and lower the chances of a successful appeal later.

I would really not be shocked to see this drag on several more years much as I would like to be dancing with glee at the defeat of the Kalpoes.

But do remember that had a ruling been made earlier, Joran wouldn't have yet been caught red-handed murdering again!  That goes against them so much because it makes Joran even more of a person of ill repute and underlines that they are the ones who chose that kind of company to keep.  They were the ones hauling Joran around that night of their own free will so they chose a path of infamy.

And who knows what might come to light before this finally goes to court?  You can bet it won't be anything that will help their case, however!

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« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2010, 06:54:33 PM »


I have no idea why you think that.  I have never seen what Dr. Phil's team has or hasn't done.

When John Kelly stated that about the Kalpoes, they were still suspects.  They have been released.

The judge used the term "edited" in his ruling in favor of Jamie.

Defamation involves a whole lot more than the tape.  You must show worthiness of character to be defamed then you must show how the "defamation" injured you.

Deepak's life "was over" before Phil ever edited the tape.  He was still working after the tape.  The documents will show that K2 were defamed long before Dr. Phil....and rightly so.

This is a case of AHATA trying to exact revenge for the boycott. Everyone thought Phil would settle.  They were wrong.


I agree.

However ... it would only make sense that the ATA/AHATA and/or the Kalpoes' attorneys would anticipate a settlement if there was assurance that the McGraw tape had been deceptively manipulated.  Otherwise ... they lose the lawsuit.  I believe the assurance that the McGraw tape was manipulated came directly from the NFI.

My contention is that McGraw's attorneys came up with a strategy.  They would obtain incriminating case documents to prove that the manipulated tape did not defame Deepak and Satish.

Why has the FBI not released any findings?

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Thursday, December 01, 2005 
By Greta Van Susteren


To begin with, and as you may know, Dr. Phil paid polygrapher Jamie Skeeters to go to Aruba and investigate Natalee Holloway's disappearance. It is Skeeters' trip to Aruba that is at the center of a current dispute in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. ....

Did Deepak admit on the tape to having sex with Natalee or did he deny it? On the "Dr. Phil" show, it was claimed that Deepak admitted on tape to having sex with Natalee. The authorities in Aruba disagree and assert that on the original tape Deepak actually denies, not admits, to having had sex with Natalee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


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updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005


ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE: Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.

However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order. Just before the word “she,” there was a cut. And just after the word “did,” there was a cut. And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.” And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


 
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« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2010, 06:59:09 PM »

The answer is:  Money
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« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2010, 06:59:39 PM »

Joran used Valentijn's mountainbike at the same time Valentijn was on the familycomputer at 2.26am, the room next to Paulus bedroom.
He used the bike to bring the crimescene from the VDSresidence to the beach area by confusing and framing Deepak by calling him.
At 10.30pm the evening before Joran logged in onto the computer. He was picked up by Paulus at 10.15-1020pm at McDonalds. Valentijn was babysitting and Joran had to replace him as the older brother in the house.
Paulus went back to a casino. The Marriott ?
Ask by email Rick Zeola, the former manager [ now transferred to Egypt]  or his wife, close friends of de VDSfamily.. That family took care of Sebastiaan that afternoon.
There is one witness [ a woman] who saw the red Jeep of Paulus returning to the VDSresidence at 4.00am the nigt Natalee disappeared. She could not see who was driving.

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The new soccerfield [ in may 2005 under construction] very close to Montanja 19 and two dumpspots within 700 meters from the VDShome in Cunucu, Joran's playground when he was a kid.

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I have never locked in on any hard, fast theory of what happened because I think when people do that, they they select and chose only the information that supports their theory only and are blind to anything else.

At times, I have considered that Joran acted alone later in the night after being dropped off somewhere by the Kalpoes.

They still were parties to luring Natalee into the car and just as the driver of a getaway car in a bank robbery are accomplices so are the Kalpoes.

Since none of us really know what happened, this could have happened about as well as anything else.  It would be comforting to Natalee's family if remains could some day be recovered.

I continue to hope and pray that someday we will all know for a fact what happened and that Natalee will be brought back home to Alabama.  It would be a comfort to her family to finally know and have closure.

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« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2010, 07:03:34 PM »

The answer is:  Money


Muffy,
Are you talking about why someone would marry Satish?

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.  Poor girl may have married him thinking he was actually going to get a lot of money from this lawsuit.  As time drags on the awful truth will slowly dawn on her and she will find herself left with just Satish in the end.
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« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2010, 07:03:48 PM »

The answer is:  Money

Let me explain.  I think initially it was about money.  The Kalpoes thought they would get a settlement in the beginning and that didn't happen.  It's in the legal system now.  I also wonder if by holding up the process, it prevents the Kalpoes from having legal challenges in that they are guilty of crimes toward Natalee Holloway or of at least having knowledge.  JMHO  There will still need to be some sort of payout from one side or the other, due to the legal fees, right?
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« Reply #66 on: August 30, 2010, 07:04:43 PM »

The answer is:  Money


Muffy,
Are you talking about why someone would marry Satish?

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.  Poor girl may have married him thinking he was actually going to get a lot of money from this lawsuit.  As time drags on the awful truth will slowly dawn on her and she will find herself left with just Satish in the end.


Why a girl would marry Satish?  For her fifteen five minutes (or less) of fame?
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« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2010, 07:06:39 PM »

Anna-maybe the girl is marrying Satish for the possibility of money in the future.   When you don't have much to start with, money from a possible lawsuit would be attractive. 
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« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2010, 07:08:37 PM »

Anna-maybe the girl is marrying Satish for the possibility of money in the future.   When you don't have much to start with, money from a possible lawsuit would be attractive. 

 
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« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2010, 07:08:50 PM »

The answer is:  Money


Muffy,
Are you talking about why someone would marry Satish?

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.  Poor girl may have married him thinking he was actually going to get a lot of money from this lawsuit.  As time drags on the awful truth will slowly dawn on her and she will find herself left with just Satish in the end.


Why a girl would marry Satish?  For her fifteen five minutes (or less) of fame?


Yeah, but the creep factor!  Can you imagine going to sleep right next to a Kalpoe?  I mean for all she knows, they could well be parties to first degree murder as they were once arrested for.

I wonder if she sleeps with one eye open.
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« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2010, 07:13:40 PM »

Criminals are assured of a reasonable swift trial.  It's usually their attorneys who delay things as we see in other missing persons cases.

But this thing with the Kalpoes does not have that guarantee is my understanding.  It will move at the court's leisure more or less.  And I think the courts in California are some of the most congested in the country.

If the Kalpoes thought they could win, they would be the ones pushing to get it into the trial phase so they could get their greedy hands on all that money.

The party seeking the money is not the one to delay if they have a good case.  Wouldn't be very smart on their part, now would it?

Just saying. . . .
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« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2010, 07:15:18 PM »



Meant to add that this is a CIVIL case and not a criminal one so they don't have the right to a speedy trial, etc.

But if they thought they could win, they would want to be in trial tomorrow!
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« Reply #72 on: August 30, 2010, 07:15:56 PM »

Magnolia

According to John Kelly ... the Kalpoes' attorneys never had any intentions of releasing incriminating documentation relating to the Natalee Holloway case.  I do not believe that the Kalpoes have any intentions of testifying before an American judge.  Their silence is a given.

Four years later ... after many granted extentions ... the judge has failed to throw out the defamation lawsuit.  Why?  Could it be that the Kalpoes' attorneys are legally challenging the request by McGraw's attorneys for case documents?  Could it be they are citing that case document are irrelevent to the lawsuit?

In other words ... the issue is whether of not Phil McGraw manipulated the recording that was received from Jamie Skeeters ... an issue that a professional comparison of the McGraw manipulated/edited recording and ... Skeeters hard drive.

Considering McGraw's attorneys ARE NOT demanding a professional comparison ... I suspect that the McGraw tape WAS deceptively manipulated and ... the defence strategy is to obtain incriminating documents which would affirm that the manipulation did not defame the Kalpoes.

I could be wrong but ... I cannot comprehend another reason why this case has dragged on for four long years.

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THE ALTERED PORTIONS?

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
Former Holloway Suspects Can Sue Dr. Phil


The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html


A SWORD AND A SHIELD

Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007


JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html






If you cannot comprehend, then perhaps it would be best if you let the issue drop.

Most of the rest of us can understand the process.  The judge has no authority to demand a comparision
of the tapes until the case goes to trial.  The case cannot go to trial until the Kalpoe attorneys submit
the requested materials and statements for discovery.

Dr. Phil and his companies retain a staff of attorneys at all times.  They really don't care how long the
process takes.  They have no intention of paying the Kalpoes a dime.

It really does look like you are rooting for the Kalpoes. IMO
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« Reply #73 on: August 30, 2010, 07:34:53 PM »

I remain bloodied but unbowed.

There is no reason for case documents to be requested if the issue is whether or not the McGraw tape was manipulated.  A professional comparison with the hard drive would resolve the entire issue.

I suspect a settlement will be forthcoming ... a settlement that will benefit the Kalpoes/attorneys/AHATA.

IMO

Janet

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THE DEFAMATION LAWSUIT IN A NUTSHELL

Feb 6, 2008 5:00 am US/Pacific
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The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html

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« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2010, 07:59:04 PM »

Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes.  I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.
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« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2010, 08:00:52 PM »

I remain bloodied but unbowed.

There is no reason for case documents to be requested if the issue is whether or not the McGraw tape was manipulated.  A professional comparison with the hard drive would resolve the entire issue.

I suspect a settlement will be forthcoming ... a settlement that will benefit the Kalpoes/attorneys/AHATA.

IMO

Janet

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The Kalpoes, who have maintained they had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance, sued in December 2006, claiming the "Dr. Phil" talk show altered portions of a taped conversation between Deepak Kalpoe and a private investigator to "create false, incriminating, and defamatory statements that the plaintiffs engaged in criminal activity against Natalee Holloway."

The brothers also contend the TV show implied they helped kill Holloway and got rid of her body. Their suit claims defamation, invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

http://cbs2.com/entertainment/doctor.phil.mcgraw.2.647163.html




Your own quote that you cite should be enough to show you the case is not just about the tape.
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« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2010, 08:04:31 PM »

Janet - I have to disagree with you on this.  I don't think they have any intention of settling with the Kalpoes I believe they expect the case to be thrown out and so do I. 

I agree with Magnolia - CBS and Dr. Phil have these attorneys on their payroll.  The Kalpoes are a minor irritation to CBS but do allow some hope of getting information regarding the NH case which is their intention IMO.

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« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2010, 08:08:04 PM »

What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me.
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« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2010, 08:16:16 PM »

What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me.


Deposition!!  The case cannot proceed to trial until the Kalpoes present themselves for deposition.
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« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2010, 08:21:56 PM »

What is the word (that won't come to my mind right now)  where you give a sworn statement to lawyers
before the trial?  I can't think of it to save me.

Deposition

That is what the Kalpoes are so far refusing to come to California (as ordered by the judge) to give to the Defense.
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