Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 - 9/12/2010

[carpe noctem]

resigned, at RU, after viewing the pic of Anita at the Jossy granddaughter BDay party:

Anita last week at Jossy Mansur's daughter's birthday gala (w Sebastian)
One hard step and those cha cha's would have been all over that floor.   

Why is it - that the people you never want to see hang their cha-chas out... always feel
the need to show to them off to the world?

 


         

Put it ON, Anita... put it all back on.


Nobody wants to see your ol' weather-beaten gunny sacks. Those poor things
started heading south when Abba's "Dancing Queen" was still on the charts.

Mork calling Orson: They've jumped the shark, ho!

[klaasend]

Did we post this yet?

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Holloway-friend-disgusted-by-latest-confession/XRyB6jSSdkWUWKY7GG8y4g.cspx


Holloway friend disgusted by latest confession
   Reported by: Mike McClanahan
Contributor: Associated Press
Last Update: 9/07 10:18 pm

(Mountain Brook, AL) WIAT-
 According to the Associated Press: Joran van der Sloot admitted to extorting $25,000 from Natalee Holloway's parents in an interview that aired on Dutch TV last night.

He reportedly took the money in exchange for bogus information about the location of Natalee Holloway's body.  Van der Sloot told reporters that he did it to get back at the Holloway family for making his life tough over the past five years.

"Curiously, legally, it really doesn't at best it's stunningly insensitive by him at worst it could be a whole lot of other things, but legally it's not an admission. He's not saying legally, I killed her...he's saying well I wanted to get back at the parents here,” said Jack Ford, CBS legal analyst.

 Ford goes on to say Joran van der Sloot's interview puts more suspicion around him, but it's not a smoking gun that could lead to a murder charge with regard to Natalee Holloway.

The Dutch citizen is facing murder charges in Peru for the death of Stephany Flores and extortion and wire fraud charges in the United States, so his life could definitely get tougher.

Holloway family friend Betsey Koepsel says she doesn't believe a word Joran van der Sloot says, but she wouldn’t put anything past him either.


“He gets nervous when he doesn't have any face time because his only celebrity is causing trauma for other people. So did he confess? Yes. He's confessed to Natalee's crime 20 times in 20 different ways,”
said Koepsel. “Again, why wouldn't he confess? He gets face time and he gets attention because he thrives on attention.

She welcomes any lead that could bring them closer to finding Natalee Holloway, but she finds van der Sloot’s latest reported confession hard to stomach.

 "It's always been about him so my gut reaction is the same as it's always been. He’s just despicable human being," said Koepsel.  “We never give up hope that we'll get justice. We never give up hope that we'll find her. So do I hope that he'll be convicted and have a miserable life? Yeah, of course. I mean naturally, but I hope that at some point before the end of his life we will be able to bring her home."

  Whether or not it has any legal effect, former U.S. Attorney Doug Jones thinks the reported confession could have a big impact on the court of public opinion.
 
"In an extradition proceeding, an admission of guilt is always very helpful," said Jones.

"I think as much public pressure as can be placed on a government like this to extradite him to the United States is appropriate and hopefully a public confession like this to a TV station, to the media will lend it s support to helping authorities get him to the United States," said Jones.

[texasmom]

I have to say that John van den Heuvel's "soft" approach is more succesfull than Peter de Vries' more agressive style.
Joran is pretty open-hearted up to the moment where John asks about Stephany's murder.
"It is not in my interest to talk about the case."
Calculated SOB! 

Self edit.

We saw some of the real Joran, with Peter R., especially when he thought the camera was off.  John van den Heuvel was won over by his charm.  He was played like a fiddle.  As an investigative reporter, he should have been well aware that Joran pursued the family, for money, not as Joran stated. He should have called him on it. He'd rather believe the camera/FBI scenario. Anita wouldn't put a real investigator, on the visitors list.

I hope Dateline shows the donation page.

Exactly! 

And surely Dateline will include John Q. Kelly's statements as to how the extortion actually came about, with Joran initially contacting him by email.

[texasmom]

Carpe!   

[Tamikosmom]

Van der Sloot "feels guilty"
Last Update: 9/07 11:11 am  

Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot says he has no culpability for Natalee Holloway's disappearance but that he feels guilty for a lot of what he's done since.

"For everything that's happened since 2005, all the things said in the media and everything, I feel guilty for, yeah," van der Sloot, 22, said in the interview that aired on Dutch TV last night.

In the interview, conducted in his cell in Lima, Peru's Castro Castro prison, van der Sloot said he feels guilty about his father's fatal heart attack, for not listening to his mother and for telling lies, as well as his past behavior.

"I was doing a lot of things that I shouldn't have been doing, and mostly only going out all the night and sleeping all the day," he said, describing himself as "impulsive."

Van der Sloot was also asked why he's told so many different stories about Natalee Holloway's fate...including confessions with details that turned out to be fake.

"There were people who were paying me to make up stories, and I was really good at making up stories. Everybody keeps coming at you asking questions ... if you want something, I'll tell you whatever you want to hear, sure."

He went on to say he has "misused the situation for my own advantage."

Excerpts of the interview ran on the Today show followed by comments by a Holloway family attorney.

It's a familiar refrain, said John Q. Kelly, an attorney for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty.

"He's always a victim. He's always seeking attention. He's always misunderstood and someday he's absolutely going to tell the truth," Kelly said on NBC. "... He's a pathological liar."

He said it was van der Sloot who contacted him about revealing the location of Holloway's body in exchange for payment. "We knew he was going to lie, and was going to make up the basis for wire fraud," Kelly said. "It's attention-seeking behavior, as simple as that," "He wants to be in the spotlight ... he just can't help himself."

Van der Sloot conceded in the Dutch TV interview that taking money from the Holloway family in exchange for information about Natalee's fate was a scam.  He faces federal charges here in Birmingham for wire fraud and extortion.

Extradition to Alabama to face those charges is pending while van der Sloot faces murder charges in Peru in the death of 21 year old Stephany Flores, a student he met in a casino in Lima.  Her body was found in van der Sloot's hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba.

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Van-der-Sloot-feels-guilty/MATtB8P_60-1mpA0vwFzrA.cspx

[klaasend]

Posted by Resigned at RU after looking at this photo of Sebas and Anita. I'm still laughing  :

[Tamikosmom]

The highlighted portions of the following articles concern me.  Something about the words "lured", "regained his attention" and "a promise" concern me.  I thought Joran was calling the shots?

Janet

++++++

Original Article - June 11, 2010

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
John Q. Kelly set up suspect, who said he would show Holloway’s remains
By Mike Celizic
TODAYshow.com contributor
updated 2 hours, 41 minutes ago

An attorney for Natalee Holloway's mother spent more than six hours on two occasions trying to get Joran van der Sloot to divulge the location in Aruba of her daughter’s remains, first on his own, then with the help of the FBI.  He lured van der Sloot with $100 and the promise of $25,000 more, he tells TODAY.

Van der Sloot, who is under arrest in Peru for the murder of the 21-year-old daughter of a prominent local family, has been suspected almost from the beginning of being responsible for Holloway’s death in Aruba five years ago.

Attorney John Q. Kelly says he walked away from his meetings with van der Sloot having no doubt that the suspect is a psychopath.

Read more:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/#ixzz0qZ1tI5xl

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.160


Updated Article - June 11, 2010

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
John Q. Kelly set up suspect, who said he would show Holloway’s remains
By Mike Celizic
TODAYshow.com contributor
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET

Joran van der Sloot was so desperate for money that $100 — with only a promise of more to come — was all he needed to further an FBI sting operation and spark a chain of events that ended with him confessing to a Peruvian woman's savage death, according to the lawyer who provided the funds.

In a TODAY exclusive, John Q. Kelly, an attorney for Natalee Holloway's mother, offered new details about the sting operation that likely allowed van der Sloot to flee Aruba for Peru.

Van der Sloot has been suspected almost from the beginning of being responsible for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance in Aruba five years ago, and Thursday, Peruvian police told NBC News that he admitted knowing the location of Holloway’s remains. They added that he was willing to tell authorities in Aruba where to find the Alabama teenager’s remains.

In March, van der Sloot reached out to Kelly, demanding $250,000 from Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, in exchange for leading Kelly to the teenager’s remains, Kelly told TODAY.

Kelly said that when van der Sloot contacted him, he did not think he was going to learn the truth. His feelings, he said, were, “skepticism, caution, assuming everything he was going to tell me was false — but I had to understandably think that it might be true, also; so approach it very carefully and keep communicating.”

Kelly agreed to meet van der Sloot alone and brought no money — angering the suspect. Kelly then called the FBI to set up a sting, telling TODAY it only took $100 to convince van der Sloot to start talking with him again.

'A win-win situation'
Kelly said he ultimately decided he couldn’t lose by playing along with van der Sloot's demands for money in exchange for revealing the location of Holloway's remains.

“It was a win-win situation. He was either going to pay the money, and if the information turned out to be true, Beth would get closure, she’d bring Natalie home. Assuming it was false, it would be extortion and wire fraud once falsehoods are proven. Either way, he’d be boxed in,” Kelly told TODAY. Kelly said van der Sloot wanted $25,000 up front, with the rest to be provided when the remains were recovered and proven to be Holloway’s, Kelly said.

So Kelly went to Aruba in April to meet with van der Sloot without telling anyone but his own wife and Twitty. He met van der Sloot for about two hours in a hotel.

“No money, no recording devices. Nobody knew I was there,” Kelly said Friday. “It was Easter Sunday. It was one-on-one in a hotel room for a couple hours. He thought I was bringing the $25,000. I engaged him in a long series of conversations. I was trying to get as much information as I could.”

Van der Sloot wanted money, and when Kelly said he didn’t have it with him, the man got “very angry, very agitated, very upset.”

Kelly said it was nerve-racking.

“He’s a big guy. He’s 6’4”, 225 [pounds], well built. He’s sort of a threatening individual when he gets angry, no question.”

When Kelly returned to the States, he contacted the FBI and began to set up the elaborate sting with the FBI and Aruban law-enforcement authorities.

He regained van der Sloot’s attention by sending him $100. Then, with a promise that he would bring $25,000, another meeting was set up for May 10 in Aruba.

This time, Kelly was hooked up with recording devices and rehearsed in how he needed to handle the transaction. He gave van der Sloot $10,000 in cash, establishing extortion, then had $15,000 of Twitty's personal money wired to van der Sloot’s bank account in the Netherlands, establishing wire fraud.

Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were. He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation. It was later determined that the house was not built when Holloway disappeared on her high school’s senior trip and that the information was false.

Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.   

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627

[San]

"Joran Van der Sloot: Behind Bars," reported on by Chris Hansen, will air this Friday, Sept. 10 (10:00-11:00 PM/ET) on "Dateline." For the report, Hansen retraces Van der Sloot's jet-setting odyssey across four continents with exclusive details and photos, and interviews the veteran Dutch crime reporter John van den Heuvel who conducted the interview with him last week at Lima's Miguel Castro-Castro prison. Heuvel will also appear on TODAY, Wednesday, Sept. 8 (7:00 AM/ET).

I like Chris Hansen.  He is the one who does those undercover shows to catch a predator.  Will be interesting to watch.  Can anyone guess why I like him so much 

[sharon]

tacopenis was paid by posner.....end of story......

 

Interesting where he jumps in to control the conversation and changes the subject    Joy was asking a question to Jean -- and Tapioca wanted to make sure she was derailed off that track. daddy had no political clout.  ABSOLUTELY no political clout.




TACOPINA: Of course, yes. First of all, his father never bailed him out of anything.

VON ORNSTEINER: He didn`t?

TACOPINA: No, no, no. I represented him in that case and it wasn`t about his father. The evidence bailed him out in Aruba. It wasn`t anything but that. His father was someone who had absolutely no political clout whatsoever.

BEHAR: Do you agree with that Jean?

TACOPINA: Here was -- here was a boy who five years ago, Joy, I really believed was a smart, charismatic, intelligent kid who had been put under enormous pressure as a teenage boy, been at really the eye of a storm and had a target on his back.

He`s disintegrated into somebody who I do not know. Someone who was not the same person we met five years ago. You know? And it`s a sad story.

No matter how this turns out in Peru. I don`t know whether he`s guilty, innocent or what in Peru. I don`t know the evidence, but I will tell you that there`s been a real disintegration --

[cecilita]

I don't understand how the monster was pushed to talk about Natalee when in Peru not too many people knew about Natalee's case 

[Buckeye]

How much has Joran changed??

Vanity Fair:

Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."

....just like Stephany

Edit-add link per Buckeye.  MB  http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=7

[Buckeye]

How much has Joran changed??

Vanity Fair:

Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=7

....just like Stephany

edited to add link

[wreck]

8 1/2" + rainfall since yesterday at my house! Tornado on the ground just off downtown this evening (no one hurt-I think)! Our usual tornado season is May. We needed the rain -- just not all at once!!! 

[texasmom]

Posted by Resigned at RU after looking at this photo of Sebas and Anita. I'm still laughing  :

 

[Buckeye]

8 1/2" + rainfall since yesterday at my house! Tornado on the ground just off downtown this evening (no one hurt-I think)! Our usual tornado season is May. We needed the rain -- just not all at once!!! 

 

[San]

8 1/2" + rainfall since yesterday at my house! Tornado on the ground just off downtown this evening (no one hurt-I think)! Our usual tornado season is May. We needed the rain -- just not all at once!!! 

WOW that's a lot of rain.  Stay safe.

[klaasend]

8 1/2" + rainfall since yesterday at my house! Tornado on the ground just off downtown this evening (no one hurt-I think)! Our usual tornado season is May. We needed the rain -- just not all at once!!! 

Stay safe Wreck.  We've had a very unusually cool summer, really no summer at all.  It's been strange.

[wreck]

8 1/2" + rainfall since yesterday at my house! Tornado on the ground just off downtown this evening (no one hurt-I think)! Our usual tornado season is May. We needed the rain -- just not all at once!!! 

Stay safe Wreck.  We've had a very unusually cool summer, really no summer at all.  It's been strange.

A week and a half a go -- it was 105 degrees everyday -- today a high of 80! 

[klaasend]

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4474&offId=0&offDate=2010-9

UN "BAD" CHOLLER A CREA SU "BED" DILANTI PORTA DI "BID"

WELCOME TO ARUBA!

[klaasend]

8 1/2" + rainfall since yesterday at my house! Tornado on the ground just off downtown this evening (no one hurt-I think)! Our usual tornado season is May. We needed the rain -- just not all at once!!! 

Stay safe Wreck.  We've had a very unusually cool summer, really no summer at all.  It's been strange.

A week and a half a go -- it was 105 degrees everyday -- today a high of 80! 

I don't think it hit 70 today.  We've had maybe 4 days over 85 all summer most days have been low 70's or upper 60's.