Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 - 9/12/2010

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night All.

Janet

[Buckeye]

I thought John van Heuval?'s description of Joran was rather chilling.  Bet he's off the visitor's list.

[Magnolia]

I think somebody else is wearing an Edward suit.

Edward can't spell or type that well.

[MuffyBee]

[Magnolia]

I thought John van Heuval?'s description of Joran was rather chilling.  Bet he's off the visitor's list.

I did too, gave me shivers.  Joran's eyes are like a shark's.....totally dark and lifeless.

Joran will never be happy till he gets his picture on the cover of The Rolling Stone.

[Kermit]

Freebirds is not law enforcment nor are they a group of licensed investigators.
They made huge mistakes.
They should have communicated ONLY to Dave and Beth and let the Holloways do the walking and the talking.
jmho

A. Your information from the people who have been nothing more then a nuisance is not reliable - although you certainly seem to have bought it. That is your mistake.

B. one of the Freebirds posted and said and I'll repeat it, we do nothing without permission. BEFORE anything was exposed - we had permission and we did reveal that permission to the people who needed to know.

C. WE, did what we did the way we wanted to do it - like it or not. We are not under your control or others whom you choose to trust.

[Kermit]

No !! Not reality .. I hates that guy... 

Funny how those explaination points have a space after the word - just like Reality posts.

[klaasend]

Also, I'd like to add I am of the opinion that parents of missing persons have no place posting on forums and blogs. 

It worked with Ambers mom. We even had the police monitor our research from Escondido.

It has helped with Gloria, Aprils mom.

It has been a support for Carolyn, Clintons mom.

Blink has Morgans parents and the police.

I respectfully disagree.

We always have police monitoring and input from families and occasionally a family member will post but NOTHING like Robin Holloway was doing. 

[Magnolia]

No !! Not reality .. I hates that guy... 

Funny how those explaination points have a space after the word - just like Reality posts.

That old Debbie is consorting with the enemy again.  POS!

[texasmom]

Freebirds is not law enforcment nor are they a group of licensed investigators.
They made huge mistakes.
They should have communicated ONLY to Dave and Beth and let the Holloways do the walking and the talking.
jmho

A. Your information from the people who have been nothing more then a nuisance is not reliable - although you certainly seem to have bought it. That is your mistake.

B. one of the Freebirds posted and said and I'll repeat it, we do nothing without permission. BEFORE anything was exposed - we had permission and we did reveal that permission to the people who needed to know.

C. WE, did what we did the way we wanted to do it - like it or not. We are not under your control or others whom you choose to trust.

 

[Tamikosmom]

I know what you mean.. But that fish trap weight is about a ton ... 2000 lbs.
So it would not be Joran dumping it there. It would have had to have been dropped off a very large boat or ship.
In that cage were items that looked like police officers hat.

Time Miller said it looked like a body to him.

It looked like a body to most of us at one point or another. 

In reality it can look like anything..But was it anything ?
Only ALE and everybody on Persistance knows for sure .

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 01:28:45 PM »

I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260

[klaasend]

I know what you mean.. But that fish trap weight is about a ton ... 2000 lbs.
So it would not be Joran dumping it there. It would have had to have been dropped off a very large boat or ship.
In that cage were items that looked like police officers hat.

Time Miller said it looked like a body to him.

It looked like a body to most of us at one point or another. 

In reality it can look like anything..But was it anything ?
Only ALE and everybody on Persistance knows for sure .

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 01:28:45 PM »

I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260

Yeah Edward - where did you get the idea the trap would weigh a ton?  Was that ******* or Johan555 that gave you that idea? 

Even if the trap was already at the bottom of the ocean, a body could have been taken down to the trap.  I'm certain Joran and his friends were all scuba certified.  Just saying it's possible.

[Kermit]

No !! Not reality .. I hates that guy...  

Funny how those explaination points have a space after the word - just like Reality posts.

That old Debbie is consorting with the enemy again.  POS!

Yes and lets not leave out old Walter Sobchak. He's a busy beaver!

Continent: North America
Country:United States  (Facts)
State:Alabama
City:Troy

 




Edited to correct spelling of name:  Sobcheck s/b Sobchak

[msmarple]

Janet - I left another post on the Eric Williams thread, page 3.

Magnolia - you might want to check out the two posts I made on that page, too. (I'm talking about you, sort of, maybe.)

[Kermit]

No !! Not reality .. I hates that guy... 

Funny how those explaination points have a space after the word - just like Reality posts.

That old Debbie is consorting with the enemy again.  POS!

Yes and lets not leave out old Walter Sobcheck. He's a busy beaver!
State California
City: Mountain View



Continent: North America
Country:United States  (Facts)
State:Alabama
City:Troy

 

[Magnolia]

No !! Not reality .. I hates that guy... 

Funny how those explaination points have a space after the word - just like Reality posts.

That old Debbie is consorting with the enemy again.  POS!

Yes and lets not leave out old Walter Sobcheck. He's a busy beaver!
State California
City: Mountain View



Continent: North America
Country:United States  (Facts)
State:Alabama
City:Troy

 

Seems like I remember old Walter from FOB or somewhere.   

[Magnolia]

Janet - I left another post on the Eric Williams thread, page 3.

Magnolia - you might want to check out the two posts I made on that page, too. (I'm talking about you, sort of, maybe.)

Sorry to disappoint you, Msmarple, but that was a joke from Kermit.  I loved it! 

[San]

I don't like what I am reading.  So before I go on a rant I will just stop and say this.

Where would this case be without the average person supporting Natalee's family.  It was the average person who did the every day digging for anything they could find on this case.

So this average person is going to bed in her average bed and hopefully I will have an average nights sleep because that's what we average people do.

Have an average night everyone.

[klaasend]

No !! Not reality .. I hates that guy... 

Funny how those explaination points have a space after the word - just like Reality posts.

That old Debbie is consorting with the enemy again.  POS!

Yes and lets not leave out old Walter Sobcheck. He's a busy beaver!
State California
City: Mountain View



Continent: North America
Country:United States  (Facts)
State:Alabama
City:Troy

 

Seems like I remember old Walter from FOB or somewhere.   

RWV for sure and he either posted at or was quoted alot at RU

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/12/natalee_hollowa_16.html

[klaasend]

I don't like what I am reading.  So before I go on a rant I will just stop and say this.

Where would this case be without the average person supporting Natalee's family.  It was the average person who did the every day digging for anything they could find on this case.

So this average person is going to bed in her average bed and hopefully I will have an average nights sleep because that's what we average people do.

Have an average night everyone.

Well said in an average sort of way,  San