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« Reply #960 on: September 12, 2010, 10:46:45 AM »

Supposedly Joran had dual passports. I think he had to leave his passport at the hostel -- he still should have had one.

Legally?  I don't see how he could.  

Dual, as in from two different countries?

Unless one of his parents were born in another country, or he was married at some point that we don't know about...I don't see how that could be.

Or two Dutch passports?  But I wouldn't think that would be legal either.
I never said "Legally"!  Monkey Devil!

 

Well...he did have connections for getting passports for those girls he was recruiting for dancers sex slaves in Thailand!  



....and he had Jean Akers.   Weren't Visas and Passports her speciality in Cambodia?
Does he have a passport from his country and another from Aruba? I know some countries you can get a passport for the time living in that specific country. I don't think that he left his "original" passport in the hotel, it is first time in my life that I heard that hotels in Lima keep your passport ...It is way too dangerous!!!
I don't like to say this but I think that the taxi drivers knew the monster was trying to scape from Peru.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba

Aruban citizens hold Dutch passports.

Aruba, which has no administrative subdivisions, is one of the three countries that form the Kingdom of the Netherlands, together with the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles.

I think the taxi drivers knew too.  JMO   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #961 on: September 12, 2010, 10:53:40 AM »

How he will lose his Dutch citizenship? maybe returning it to the Dutch Embassy? or how the Dutch embassy will know that he has another citizenship?
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« Reply #962 on: September 12, 2010, 10:57:39 AM »

http://www.travelpod.com/guest-houses/Lima.html

Travel Day - Arrival in Lima - Miraflores

Not much to report. Flew from Calgary to Toronto, Toronto to Lima - arriving around 12:30 or 1:00 AM. We staggered out to the warm parking lot where we were directed to a small bus that drove us to our hotel in Miraflores. Of course the hotel took our passports for the night. We were too tired to care and dragged ourselves up to our rooms and pr...
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« Reply #963 on: September 12, 2010, 11:07:00 AM »

Thank you Texasmom!!! I am surprised that somebody can give to an stranger his/her passport
I don't know why? I went this year with my hubby to a resort in Peru and the hotel receptionist asked him to show his passport but it was only for tax purposes::MonkeyEek::
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« Reply #964 on: September 12, 2010, 11:27:04 AM »



http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20394155,00.html

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Stephany Flores: a Family's Grief

"She was having a beautiful life," an exhausted, teary-eyed Ricardo Flores, 48, says of his only daughter, Stephany, 21, just two days after van der Sloot's arrest (her mother, Maria Elena, 49, is too heartbroken to talk to the media). "She was everyone's protector," adds Flores, a former race-car driver and politician who operates a circus in Peru. "Ever since she was little, she liked to make decisions." Headstrong and friendly, Stephany loved teddy bears, salsa music and poker; a third-year business administration student at the University of Lima, she hoped to open her own café with her friend Monica Soto. "She was courageous," says Soto. "She got the most out of every minute." Says her father: "I feel like I am always going to have her with me. What has been separated from me is the flesh, not her soul and spirit."
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #965 on: September 12, 2010, 11:58:24 AM »

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20148066,00.html
7/4/2005

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« Reply #966 on: September 12, 2010, 12:17:22 PM »

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20147942,00.html
6/20/2005

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« Reply #967 on: September 12, 2010, 12:18:52 PM »

Would a mod please delete post 966

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #968 on: September 12, 2010, 12:53:40 PM »

I wonder if Beth had accepted that the two security guards were guilty, Aruba would have given back
Natalee's body
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« Reply #969 on: September 12, 2010, 12:56:29 PM »

Kermit, I'm not worried either.

He's NOT in Aruba anymore.   


 

On "Dateline" last night -- Joran was pretty much saying "Sure I did it -- but, they did not arrest me in Chile -- they expelled me. I should have gotten away with the crime. They Cheated!" 


Father of woman killed in Peru says Joran van der Sloot's arrest in her death no 'coincidence'

Published: Thursday, June 03, 2010, 9:38 PM     Updated: Friday, June 04, 2010, 6:04 AM


Frank Bajak and Franklin Briceno --- The Associated Press

LIMA, Peru --Natalee Holloway's family was outraged by how Aruban authorities handled the case of her disappearance, and now the family of another young woman wants justice.

"This isn't a coincidence, this murder," Stephany Flores' anguished father, Lima entertainment impresario Ricardo Flores, told reporters after Joran van der Sloot's arrest.


 
Peruvian businessman Ricardo Flores, left, and Marielena Ramirez, sitting second right, attend the funeral of their daughter Stephany Flores in Lima, Thursday, June 3, 2010. Flores, 21, was killed in a Lima hotel Sunday. The suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was arrested Thursday in neighboring Chile. Van der Sloot has also long been suspected in the disappearance of an Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba, which occurred five years to the day before Flores' murder. (AP)

Van der Sloot was arrested in the killing of Stephany Flores the same day he was charged in Alabama with trying to extort $250,000 in return for giving the location of Holloway's body and describing the circumstances of Holloway's death. Federal prosecutors did not say who was allegedly extorted but filed a sworn statement saying that van der Sloot got a partial payment of $15,000 wired to a Netherlands bank.

Flores' neck was broken Sunday in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot, who police believe met the 21-year-old University of Lima business student for the first time the previous night at a nearby casino. Her body was found by a maid late Tuesday.

Flores, a 48-year-old former race car driver and sometime politician, buried his daughter today in the upscale Jardines de la Paz cemetery accompanied by about 100 mourners. His inconsolable wife, Maria Elena Ramirez, held the slain girl's Minnie Mouse doll to her chest.

The father called on authorities to immediately bring van der Sloot to Peru to face justice.

"It's not just about my daughter," he said. "There's a matter pending in Aruba and we don't know how many more remain unpunished."

Late today, a Chilean spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with department policy, said van der Sloot would be flown to the Peruvian border Friday morning.


Stephany Flores (AP)

Stephany Flores was fully clothed and there were no signs she had been sexually abused, the chief of Peru's criminal police, Gen. Cesar Guardia, told The Associated Press.

"The room was a complete mess," he said in an interview. He added that no potential murder weapon was found, indicating the killer may have used his bare hands.

"It's probable they had drunken alcohol," said Guardia. No alcohol was found in Flores' blood, he said, but he added that it could have dissipated in the more than two days it took to find her body.

Guardia added that police are investigating why it took until Tuesday night for hotel staff to discover the body.

Van der Sloot remains the prime suspect in the disappearance of Holloway, an 18-year-old who was celebrating her high school graduation on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba when she disappeared May 30, 2005. He told investigators he left her on a beach, drunk. That's the last anyone saw of her. Van der Sloot was twice arrested in her disappearance -- and twice released for insufficient evidence.

"If they have enough proof that he committed the crime in Peru, maybe, just maybe that might help to get him to confess in Natalee's case. It just might crack him," a Holloway family lawyer, Vinda de Souza, told the AP.

Van der Sloot put up no resistance when he was detained Thursday about halfway to the Pacific coast from Santiago, said deputy Chilean investigative police spokesman Fernando Ovalle. When brought in for questioning in Santiago, he was unshaven with closely cropped hair, khaki pants, and a gray hooded sweat shirt.

Van der Sloot checked into the room where Flores' body was found May 14 after arriving on a flight from Colombia, Guardia said. He was in Peru for a poker tournament and it appears he and Flores met Saturday evening at Atlantic City, the Lima casino hosting the tourney, Guardia said.

The police chief said Flores was killed between 5 a.m. Sunday, when the victim and suspect were seen entering his room by a hotel employee, and about 8:45 a.m., when he said two people saw van der Sloot leave.

"Various things aren't very clear," Guardia said, among them the killer's motive.

It certainly wasn't money, he said. Van der Sloot had no problem paying for his escape to Chile.

He gave a truck driver 1,500 Peruvian soles ($525) to take him from Ica, a town south of Lima, to the Chilean border, the driver, Luis Aparcana, said in a TV interview. He said van der Sloot didn't speak Spanish very well and carried two suitcases.

Aparcana said van der Sloot "was worried because he kept smoking cigarettes. He didn't have a cell phone but he had a laptop that he would take out, handle and then put back."

Lawyers for van der Sloot did not immediately comment. On Wednesday, a lawyer in New York who has represented him, Joe Tacopina, cautioned against a rush to judgment.

"Joran van der Sloot has been falsely accused of murder once before. The fact is he wears a bull's-eye on his back now and he is a quote-unquote usual suspect when it comes to allegations of foul play," Tacopina said.

A former FBI agent who investigated the Holloway disappearance for the missing girl's family, Harold Copus, told the AP that while van der Sloot's behavior in Peru followed "a pattern of him gambling and hooking up with girls" he was surprised at the violence of Flores' death.

(Associated Press writers Eva Vergara in Santiago, Chile, Carla Salazar in Lima, Kendall Weaver in Montgomery, Alabama, Mike Warren in Buenos Aires and Michael Melia in San Juan, Puerto Rico, contributed to this report.)

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« Reply #970 on: September 12, 2010, 12:58:17 PM »

I wonder if Beth had accepted that the two security guards were guilty, Aruba would have given back
Natalee's body

That is my belief
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« Reply #971 on: September 12, 2010, 01:09:33 PM »

Mother says she thinks 3 men know what happened to teen
Twitty says authoritiesshould apply pressure
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba — The mother of a missing Alabama teenager said Sunday that she believes three young men who were with her daughter the day of her disappearance know what happened to her.

Beth Holloway Twitty, 44, said Aruban authorities should pressure the young men to reveal what they know. She also said she thought that two former hotel security guards detained in connection with the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway were innocent and should be released.

“All three of those boys know what happened to her,” the teen’s mother said during a 45-minute interview with The Associated Press in her hotel room at the Holiday Inn, the same hotel where Natalee Holloway was staying before she disappeared on May 30. “They all know what they did with her that night.”

Holloway Twitty declined to say what she thought the boys had done or whether she thought her daughter was still alive.

The three young men — the son of a Dutch justice ministry official and two Surinamese brothers — have told police they brought Natalee Holloway to a lighthouse beside the island’s Arisha Beach, but didn’t get out of the car. The brothers, Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Deepak Kalpoe, 21, also told police that Natalee and the Dutch boy had been kissing in the back seat of the car. They said they dropped her off at her hotel about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security guard uniform before they drove off, a lawyer for the brother’s has said.

The three young men were detained on Thursday. Two former hotel security guards who worked at a hotel not far from the Holiday Inn have been detained since June 5.

Holloway Twitty said she met the three young men within 12 hours of Natalee’s disappearance and she said it surprised her that it took authorities more than a week to detain them

Authorities have said they are pursuing all leads, while Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has said that “no one stands above the law” on the island.

Natalee Holloway vanished hours before she was expected at the airport following a five-day trip to the Dutch Caribbean island with 124 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala. Her U.S. passport and packed bags were found in her hotel room.

Defense lawyers for the former security guards said there wasn’t enough evidence to continue holding them.

“This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation,” said Noraina Pietersz, the attorney representing Antonius “Mickey” John, 30. John and Abraham Jones, 28, had been detained a week as of Sunday, and have denied any connection to Holloway. “The prosecution is pretending it has information that we don’t have.”

Attorney General Caren Janssen said Sunday that wasn’t the case but declined to give details. “We are still in the middle of an investigation,” she said.

A confession reported by a polic chief and its subsequent retraction by the attorney general fueled rumors of the young woman’s demise. The family has said no body has been found, and islanders and tourists attended church services Sunday to pray for the teen.

Valerie Stanton, a 35-year-old computer technician visiting from Washington, D.C., prayed Sunday at the Alto Vista chapel outside the capital. “This could happen in any city and it’s unfortunate a dark cloud is now over the island because people here are so nice,” she said.

At the Santa Ana Catholic church in the town of Noord, also outside the capital, the Rev. Rudy Lampe told about 300 parishioners to “pray to give the family an oasis of peace.”

“Today we stand with the family of Natalee,” Lampe said. “This is the first time something like this has happened on our island so we are all in shock.”

A couple of pictures of Holloway were posted at the entrance to the church. Back home in Mountain Brook, Ala., residents also attended services to pray for Natalee and scribbled notes of support and concern on a special dedication wall.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8169252/

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« Reply #972 on: September 12, 2010, 01:13:22 PM »

STILL CHOSE TO PURSE THE TWO SECURITY GUARDS

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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn.  They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one. ….

What was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

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« Reply #973 on: September 12, 2010, 01:19:00 PM »

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March 29, van der Sloot contacted a representative of Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway. http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/08/us.van.der.sloot.alabama/index.html?hpt=T3



March 30, 2010 – John Q. Kelly states on Dateline this is the date that Joran emailed him telling him that his father is dead and for a quarter of a million dollars he will tell what happened to Natalee.


4-4-10 John Q. Kelly is in Aruba and meets with Joran at the Marriott. Joran aluded to where Natalee's body was. Joran was aware of the 5 year anniversary.  He appareaed nervous. Desparate and agitated.

4-6-10 Joran in Lorenzo van accident


May 10, 2010 – sting operation – Joran received in a hotel room $10,000.00 cash and $15,000.00 wire transfer to his bank account


May 10: EMAIL from JORAN to John Ludwig:
"I am going to Peru to live their (sic) until I need to go back to Thailand & take care of my shop.  I am done with Aruba.  Take care."

May 13, 2010 Joran left Aruba to Columbia

May 14, 2010 Anita and Renfro post to Joran on facebook.

Anita Hugen 
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends. 
May 14 at 10:26am 

Julia Renfro 
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come. 
Sunday at 5:05pm

Does that sound like a worried mother that her son did not go to the psychiatric hospital for his depression/addictions etc? Nor does her friend Julia seem to be concerned or tell him to come back.

MAY 25, 2010 – Joran contacted John Q. Kelly for the last time.

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JORAN EMAIL TO JOHN LUDWIG:
May 26:
Hey,
Just so you know I will be coming back to Aruba on Sunday."

ALMOST THREE WEEKS LATER JORAN HAS BLOWN THROUGH $25,000.00 CASH he extorted from Beth

May 29:
"Happy birthday man I hope you had a good day & remember how imortant family & friends are.  I won't bother you today but send me some money through Western Union tomorrow.  The only information of mine you is my name Joran van der Sloot, the country Peru & the city Lima.  I need this man for my ticket back so di it for me. Take care & enjoy your b-day."


05/29/2010
Stephany Flores meets Joran van der Sloot in the Atlantic City Casino in Lima, Peru


May 30/31, 2010 – Joran leaves Casino with Stephany and returns to his hotel R 5:16 and 8:45 am Joran leaves his hotel room.
http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/policial/holandes-es-principal-sospechoso_63588.html
Approx. 5:16am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores leave the Atlantic City Casino
Approx. 5:40am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores arrive at TAC hotel and enter Joran's room
Approx. 8:10-8:30am:     Joran leaves the hotel room, crosses the street, purchases two cups of coffee & breakfast bread, returns to the hotel room
Approx. 9:45am:     Joran leaves the hotel room a second time carrying a duffel bag and backpack.

Joran Has Fled to Chile



No, IMO Anita doesn't sound at all like a mother who is so concerned that her psychopathic son did not check himself into a psychiatric facility...if that was EVER the plan at all.

Anita (and POS Paulus) KNEW before Natalee Holloway ever stepped foot on that God forsaken rock that her son was dangerous, she'd seen it first hand.  He'd almost killed one of her other sons, among other things!

For more than five years she LIED and participated with her group of LIARS in slandering Natalee Holloway, and her family...most especially her mother; to try to cast doubt on the crimes that she KNEW her son was responsible for.

June 3, 2010

Another family devastated...









Almost immediately the group of LIARS started posting in force all over the internet (including on Joran's facebook wall)...setup...she's not really dead...it's all Beth's fault...she gave him the money to go to Peru!

Sickening!

And I have no doubt that Anita was part of it.

Blame anyone but he who is responsible. 

Paulus and Anita raised a murderer, and she continues to support and protect him to this day.

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Spanish translation:

TE AMO = I LOVE YOU   

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« Reply #975 on: September 12, 2010, 02:05:11 PM »

I wonder if Beth had accepted that the two security guards were guilty, Aruba would have given back
Natalee's body

This is exactly what they wanted her to do.  She didn't fall for their lies.
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« Reply #976 on: September 12, 2010, 02:06:52 PM »



Spanish translation:

TE AMO = I LOVE YOU   

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What would be the translation for rot in hell.  Because that's what will be on Joran's grave.
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« Reply #977 on: September 12, 2010, 02:16:46 PM »

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Stefany

Her FB page still says engaged...his says single.  Maybe she just hasn't had time to update, or maybe she thinks he'll get over it.  From all appearances it does seem like a very on/off relationship.  JMO 
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Spanish translation:

TE AMO = I LOVE YOU   

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What would be the translation for rot in hell.  Because that's what will be on Joran's grave.

 

Google translate says...

pudrirse en el infierno
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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