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« on: July 31, 2010, 02:45:33 PM »


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 04:48:24 PM »

Well, shoot!   I'm not first.....I'm just the only one here.
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 04:55:42 PM »

I'm back and forth 

Can you believe that photo Jan Brennan uses?  Can't she do better than that?  Seriously? 
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 05:09:12 PM »

I'm back and forth 

Can you believe that photo Jan Brennan uses?  Can't she do better than that?  Seriously? 


I have never been able to understand her using that horrible picture.  But, every picture I have ever seen
of her looks just about as bad.
Maybe that is as good as it gets with her. Monkey Devil!
She could just use a smiley face for heaven's sake.  It would be better than that thing. Razz
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 05:10:09 PM »



Sam Redman aka Polemic aka Roger from 'Scrux One' and Jan Brennan aka medleyrelay are the organizers of the horrorfying aftermath of Jorans beachparty, that has become an endless looptape of a beachlie started by the only perpetrator in this case at 2.26am when he called Deepak at his home the night Natalee vanished.
When a crime occur you have two scenario's to investigate.
A- Was there one perpatrator ?
B- Were there two or more perpetrators ?

The timeline during those nightly hours was created by Joran.
His dad wasn't at home that night. That's why my 'Bike and Babysit' scenario [Scrux] was total crap according to Sam Redman, Jan Brennan and many others.
In his book, published in 2007, Joran wrote about being the only perpetrator.
He stated that you have to be a professional killer to kill Natalee and dispose of her body within an hour. And secondly you must be very very sick to kill someone and watching a pornmovie afterwards and goiing to school the next day as usual.[page 93]

Maybe it's time for Scared Monkeys to put scenario A into the spotlight.
let's make an end to Jorans beachparty.  Don't become a Joran troll.

Dead daddy Paulus wasn't asleep the night his son raped [ no codom] and killed Natalee in his apartment after they were dropped off by the Kalpoe brothers.
He wasn't even at home.

The remains of Natalee still can be found !


To be continued
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 05:15:41 PM »

J45 - where do you think they put Natalee's body? 
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 05:21:18 PM »



Sam Redman aka Polemic aka Roger from 'Scrux One' and Jan Brennan aka medleyrelay are the organizers of the horrorfying aftermath of Jorans beachparty, that has become an endless looptape of a beachlie started by the only perpetrator in this case at 2.26am when he called Deepak at his home the night Natalee vanished.
When a crime occur you have two scenario's to investigate.
A- Was there one perpatrator ?
B- Were there two or more perpetrators ?

The timeline during those nightly hours was created by Joran.
His dad wasn't at home that night. That's why my 'Bike and Babysit' scenario [Scrux] was total crap according to Sam Redman, Jan Brennan and many others.
In his book, published in 2007, Joran wrote about being the only perpetrator.
He stated that you have to be a professional killer to kill Natalee and dispose of her body within an hour. And secondly you must be very very sick to kill someone and watching a pornmovie afterwards and goiing to school the next day as usual.[page 93]

Maybe it's time for Scared Monkeys to put scenario A into the spotlight.
let's make an end to Jorans beachparty.  Don't become a Joran troll.

Dead daddy Paulus wasn't asleep the night his son raped [ no codom] and killed Natalee in his apartment after they were dropped off by the Kalpoe brothers.
He wasn't even at home.

The remains of Natalee still can be found !


To be continued


Why would Joran not have used one of the family vehicles to dispose of a dead Natalee?
We know he could drive.   I just can't see him (or anybody) taking a body on a bicycle.
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2010, 05:27:44 PM »

http://www.coolaruba.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=39

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 05:29:18 PM »

Come to think of it.............I have never seen a picture of Joran driving a car.  He had the bicycle
in Holland and the motorcycle in Thailand and he is always being driven by others on Aruba.
He hired Taxi drivers in Peru.

What's up with that?
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2010, 06:09:28 PM »

Joran used Valentijn's mountainbike at the same time Valentijn was on the familycomputer at 2.26am, the room next to Paulus bedroom.
He used the bike to bring the crimescene from the VDSresidence to the beach area by confusing and framing Deepak by calling him.
At 10.30pm the evening before Joran logged in onto the computer. He was picked up by Paulus at 10.15-1020pm at McDonalds. Valentijn was babysitting and Joran had to replace him as the older brother in the house.
Paulus went back to a casino. The Marriott ?
Ask by email Rick Zeola, the former manager [ now transferred to Egypt]  or his wife, close friends of de VDSfamily.. That family took care of Sebastiaan that afternoon.
There is one witness [ a woman] who saw the red Jeep of Paulus returning to the VDSresidence at 4.00am the nigt Natalee disappeared. She could not see who was driving.

@ Klaasend

The new soccerfield [ in may 2005 under construction] very close to Montanja 19 and two dumpspots within 700 meters from the VDShome in Cunucu, Joran's playground when he was a kid.

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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2010, 07:08:54 PM »

So Jonathan45.How did Joran transport a body on a bike?
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2010, 07:11:54 PM »

I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard.

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2010, 08:01:55 PM »

FLASHBACK - AUGUST 29, 2005

A Catastrophic Blow!

New Orleans braces for monster hurricane
Crescent City under evacuation; storm may overwhelm levees
Monday, August 29, 2005; Posted: 12:10 a.m. EDT (04:10 GMT)


NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans braced for a catastrophic blow from Hurricane Katrina overnight, as forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could drive a wall of water over the city's levees.

The huge storm, packing 160 mph winds, is expected to hit the northern Gulf Coast in the next nine hours and make landfall as a Category 4 or 5 hurricane Monday morning.

The National Hurricane Center reports that conditions are already deteriorating along the central and northeastern coast. (Watch video to see the worst case scenario)

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city. (Watch video of mayor's announcement)

"This is a threat that we've never faced before," Nagin said. "If we galvanize and gather around each other, I'm sure we will get through this."

He exempted essential federal, state, and local personnel; emergency and utility workers; transit workers; media; hotel workers; and patrons from the evacuation order.

About 1.3 million people live in New Orleans and its suburbs, and many began evacuating before sunrise. (Watch video to see who's staying and who's leaving)

Nagin estimated that nearly 1 million people had fled the city and its surrounding parishes by Sunday night. (Watch time lapse video of the evacuation)

Between 20,000 and 25,000 others who remained in the city lined up to take shelter in the Louisiana Superdome, lining up for what authorities warned would be an unpleasant day and a half at minimum.

City officials told stranded tourists to stay on third-floor levels or higher and away from windows. (See video from New Orleans, a city below sea level)

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that New Orleans could expect a complete loss of electricity and water services as well as intense flooding.

"We know we're going to have property damage," she told CNN's "Larry King Live." "We know we're going to have high wind damage. We're hoping we're not going to lose a lot of lives."

About 70 percent of New Orleans is below sea level, and is protected from the Mississippi River by a series of levees. (Full story)

Forecasters predicted the storm surge could reach 28 feet; the highest levees around New Orleans are 18 feet high.

Hurricane-force winds extend 105 miles from the center of the mammoth storm and tropical storm-force winds extend outward up to 230 miles. It is the most powerful storm to menace the central Gulf Coast in decades.

Isolated tornadoes are also possible Sunday across southern portions of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, forecasters said.

Federal Emergency Management Agency teams and other emergency teams were in place to move in as soon as the storm was over, FEMA Undersecretary Michael Brown said.

Katrina is blamed for at least seven deaths in Florida, where it made landfall Thursday as a Category 1 hurricane. As much as 18 inches of rain fell in some areas, flooding streets and homes. (See video of the damage floodwaters left in one family's new house)

At midnight ET, Katrina was centered about 90 miles south of the mouth of the Mississippi River. It was moving to the northwest at about 10 mph.

National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield said: "There's certainly a chance it can weaken a bit before it gets to the coast, but unfortunately this is so large and so powerful that it's a little bit like the difference between being run over by an 18-wheeler or a freight train. Neither prospect is good." (Watch Mayfield's assessment of Katrina)

Bush issues disaster declarations

President Bush announced Sunday that he had issued disaster declarations for Louisiana, Mississippi and parts of southern Florida. The declaration for Miami-Dade and Broward counties in Florida will allow residents there to apply for federal disaster aid.

"We'll do everything in our power to help the people and communities affected by this storm," he said.

The president urged anyone in the storm's path "to put their own safety and the safety of their families first by moving to safe ground."

Jesse St. Amant, the emergency management chief for Louisiana's southernmost Plaquemines Parish, said nearly 95 percent of the parish's 27,000-plus residents had fled by Sunday afternoon. Those who remained were being told that they are "gambling with their own lives."

"I think they just don't believe something of this nature can ever happen in their lifespan, and I think they're going to be wrong," he said.

As far east as Mobile, Alabama, 118 miles away from New Orleans, authorities warned of storm surges approaching 20 feet.

"I'm afraid most people look at the map and say, 'It's going to New Orleans, we're all right,'" said Mobile Mayor Mike Deal. "We're in harm's way with the current path of this storm."

Hurricane warnings are posted from Morgan City, Louisiana, eastward to the Alabama-Florida state line, including New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain. This means winds of at least 74 mph are expected in the warning area within the next 24 hours.

A tropical storm warning and a hurricane watch are in effect from the Alabama-Florida state line eastward to Destin, Florida, and from west of Morgan City to Intracoastal City, Louisiana. A tropical storm warning is also in effect from Intracoastal City, Louisiana, west to Cameron, Louisiana, and from Destin, Florida, eastward to Indian Pass, Florida.

A tropical storm warning means tropical storm conditions, including winds of at least 39 mph, are expected within 24 hours. A hurricane watch means hurricane conditions are possible, usually within 36 hours.

Category 5 is the most intense on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Only three Category 5 hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records were kept. Those were the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, 1969's Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew, which devastated the Miami area in 1992. Andrew remains the costliest U.S. hurricane on record, with $26.5 billion in losses.

Camille came ashore in Mississippi and killed 256 people.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/28/hurricane.katrina/
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2010, 08:03:07 PM »

FLASHBACK - AUGUST 29, 2005

It's named Katrina!

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 179 - Excited with the news that now all three suspects are in custody, friends Hal and Phillip accompany Jug and me back to Aruba after the auction.  As we leave the mainland, a big hurricane is moving toward the United States.  It's named Katrina.  And our flight plan is altered to get around the storm.

Page 183 - Settling in for the night, we see and hear the first reports about the hurricane.  It hits hard in Louisiana.  Mississipi and Alabama are also affected.  We all have loved ones at home in these states.  The early reports of the devastation are unbelievable.  News reporters are saying the death toll could exceed that of 9/11.  Our hearts ache for the people of New Orleans.  Reports are telling us that this is the hardest-hit city.  But visuals are not come out yet of the most damaged areas.  Reporters can't even get to those.  We stand down from all our scheduled interviews and desperately await information on the aftermath of the giant hurricane.


FLASHBACK - SEPTEMBER 1, 2005

The Cloak of Cover

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 182 - September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Pages 184 - And Bill explains how the release of the three suspects happened.  "The information the FBI was given was that the judge gave Joran thirty more days, up to October 1.  And he gave the Kalpoes eight more days.  But then the judge flew back from Curacao and faxed a reverse decision from there."  The reverse decision decreed that all three will go free.

The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting.  The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 815 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen.  Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2010, 08:06:28 PM »

FLASHBACK -  Hurricane Katrina
The Open Door

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

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  Hurricane Katrina had left the door open for the boys to sent on their way with little publicity and few restrictions because it took the world's focus off of Natalee.
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2010, 08:09:01 PM »

Most recent filing in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:



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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2010, 08:46:30 PM »

I'm back and forth 

Can you believe that photo Jan Brennan uses?  Can't she do better than that?  Seriously? 

It's almost like a practical joke -surely there's one somewhere more flattering.  She looks uncomfortable, lol.
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2010, 09:40:33 PM »

I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard.

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.

Well Magnolia since you said that they will say that she is not from Aruba but the dog pound.

Seriously who the heck would marry that rapist.  I wonder if she is of legal age to marry.
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2010, 09:41:58 PM »

I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard.

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.

Well Magnolia since you said that they will say that she is not from Aruba but the dog pound.

Seriously who the heck would marry that rapist.  I wonder if she is of legal age to marry.

I guess she will have to wait for him to graduate high school.
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2010, 09:56:44 PM »

I just read that Glenda says that Satish has gotten married!!!!  So she has heard.

Since he is married to an Aruban, the Visa issue is simplified and he can come and go from Aruba.

Well Magnolia since you said that they will say that she is not from Aruba but the dog pound.

Seriously who the heck would marry that rapist.  I wonder if she is of legal age to marry.


I know!  I was 

Some women just aren't that particular I guess.  I never thought Satish was just right. Monkey Devil!
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