Natalee Case Discussion #845 8/29/2010 - 9/12/2010

[klaasend]

Is it tomorrow that the 4th judge decides?

[SuzieQ]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-06/joran-van-der-sloots-extortion-confession/

Van der Sloot's New Confession

by Barbie Latza Nadeau

September 6, 2010 | 6:07pm



AP Photo Natalee Holloway’s alleged killer has admitted to extorting her parents in return for revealing her body’s location—but is it just his latest plea for attention?

Can anyone really believe anything Joran van der Sloot says? The 22-year-old Dutch man who is awaiting trial for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in Lima, Peru, has given yet another confession about his involvement in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway. This time, he told the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf that he attempted to extort $250,000 from Holloway’s mother out of revenge for being so tough on him.  “I wanted to get back at Natalee’s family,” he told De Telegraaf’s John van den Heuvel during a televised interview in Van der Sloot’s prison cell block. “When they offered to pay for the girl’s location, I thought, ‘Why not’?”

This is not, of course, the first confession that van der Sloot has made.

Van der Sloot says he then told Holloway’s mother that her daughter’s body was under the foundation of a house in Oranjestad, Aruba.  The house was being built at the time Holloway disappeared in May 2005 and van der Sloot says his father buried her under the wall forms that had been set in place to pour cement.  Van der Sloot’s father died of cardiac arrest in the spring of 2010, and authorities in Aruba say that building records show that there was no such permit or record that anyone was pouring cement at the address when Holloway disappeared. 

They dismissed the confession to Holloway’s mother as yet another lie.

This is not, of course, the first confession that van der Sloot has made. He was caught on hidden camera in 2007 by Dutch journalist Peter R. De Vries admitting to dumping Holloway’s body at sea after she died on the beach.  He then famously told Fox News Channel’s Greta Van Susteren that he had sold Holloway as a sex slave off the coast of Aruba.  And when he was arrested in Peru last June, he told Peruvian officials that he would finally give up the truth about where to find the young American’s remains – but only if they turned him over to authorities in Aruba.

The latest Holloway confession has little bearing on Van der Sloot’s current dilemma, so he had nothing to lose by admitting the obvious, though it was gratuitously cruel to admit he did it for spite.  With the exception of a young woman who brings him food and his own mother, who was also interviewed by De Telegraaf for the segment, the Dutch man has few obvious supporters.

Still, he is wildly popular.  In August, a photograph emerged of him and three cellblock mates – Columbian hitman Hugo Trujillo Ospina and American William Trickett Smith II, known as the suitcase killer after murdering and dismembering his wife.  The photo of the three notorious foreigner killers, along with an unidentified foreign man, was allegedly sold to local tabloid photographers by prison staff. A formal investigation by Peru’s National Institute of Corrections say they have begun "administrative and disciplinary actions with the goal of establishing responsibility over the acts of official misconduct by employees of the Castro Castro Correctional Institution. They improperly used photographic equipment that was meant for administrative duties."

Van der Sloot is also the subject of an English language Dutch film set for release in 2011.  Me and Mr. Jones is a fictional account of the crime that paints Holloway as a party girl and van der Sloot as a playboy.  The scenes were being filmed in Aruba by director Paul Ruven in May 2010 when Flores was murdered.  On his website, Ruven says he incorporated the Flores story into the script but he has hinted to Dutch media that the film does not end with a resolution of the crime.  He told Radio Netherlands that the film casts an honest light on Aruba.  “It’s this colonial background of favoritism and conflict of interests that allows a young rich Dutchman to do what he likes without being brought to justice,” he said. “Nobody on Aruba wants the truth to come out. It was also never the intention that Joran should end up in prison. That would damage tourism and the economy.”
The same cannot be said for Peru.  When van der Sloot was detained in June, the authorities wasted no time locking him up.  He initially confessed to killing Flores in his hotel room after she found incriminating information on his laptop about the Holloway case.  But shortly after, he steadfastly denied his confession, saying it was coerced and that his court-appointed lawyer was really working for the Peruvians and had actually tricked him into confession. Earlier this summer a Peruvian judge ruled that the confession would be admissible in his murder trial, but his new lawyers are appealing that ruling.

But in his latest confession in the De Telegraaf inteview, van der Sloot admits that he did murder Flores, even saying that the Peru prosecutor will easily convict him.
Truth may be elusive to the young Dutch man, but it is obvious that—unlike in Aruba—this time he understands his fate.

I think the last bolded paragraph is interesting. Seems someone sees Aruba as we do. Maybe the movie will not be as bad as we thought.

[Tamikosmom]

Is it tomorrow that the 4th judge decides?

According to the following article ... the 4th judge will decide next week.

Janet

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Dutch paper: Van der Sloot admits extortionBy the CNN Wire Staff
September 6, 2010 4:40 p.m. EDT

Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision.  Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week.  If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

"It doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/06/peru.vandersloot.extortion/?hpt=T2

[Magnolia]

Is it tomorrow that the 4th judge decides?

According to the following article ... the 4th judge will decide next week.

Janet

++++++

Dutch paper: Van der Sloot admits extortionBy the CNN Wire Staff
September 6, 2010 4:40 p.m. EDT

Also Monday, a Peruvian court voted 2-1 to reject van der Sloot's contention that he is being held unlawfully, but the court requires three votes to secure a decision.  Alteza said that a fourth jurist will hear the case and cast a vote at a public hearing next week.  If that judge votes in favor of van der Sloot, a fifth judge will hear the case to break the tie.

Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

"It doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/06/peru.vandersloot.extortion/?hpt=T2

When did Alteaz make that statement?

Is "next week" the week that commenced yesterday; or is it the following week that begins on Sept. 12th?

[Anna]

Someone needs to explain to Anita that Joran would not qualify for being sent to the NL to serve his sentence because he is awaiting extradition to the U.S. on his extortion warrant.  Peru and the US already have extradition treaties in place. 

I talked to someone from the NL over the weekend and they said that this "girlfriend" is just am embassy worker that would be made available to anybody from the NL and Joran is likely lying about it being anything more.  Note that she is in her 30's and so not age appropriate for Joran.

Like everything else, he's just lying some more.

The only place Joran is going to go should he ever leave Peru is to the US to face charges here.  Anita is dreaming that the whole world is trying to get her psycho kid out of jail.  She needs to talk to an international lawyer before doing these idiotic things unless of course, it is for other prisoners benefit she is working.  Hers ain't going anywhere from Peru except maybe to Levenworth to stand trial again.

And extortion carries a very heavy sentence in this country, more than murder in NL.

Just saying. . . .

[Anna]

Oh, and once they get him here on extortion, misbehaving in jail can get years added if you know what I mean.  Things like attempting to escape.

Not all the world see someone who beats young girls to death as a hero.  Most normal people despise this kind of thing and will go out of their way to see that Joran is never on free feet again.

And the US even has extradition treaties with the NL on things like extortion.  They would have to hand him over or give a very good excuse why not.  Extortion does not carry the death penalty so that's out.  If their "system" which we heard so much about was not so flawed, Stephany would still be alive.

Aruba with their Dutch system are the ones who allowed this psycho to be free to kill again and God only know what he did in Thailand.  It's all on their hands no matter how they play it or how many interviews they do glorifying this scum of the earth, it changes nothing.

JMO

[MuffyBee]

I'm wondering IF an extradition thing was agreed to between Peru and The Netherlands, what would be the criteria?  Would it be automatic?  What about certain cases, such as  Joran's, which include murder?  That's a lot different to me than a person charged with theft or with drug trade.  JMHO and wondering.

[texasmom]

http://www.prisonersinperu.nl

From the bottom of the page...

Developed by G. Simkanic

From the petition:

http://petities.nl/petitie/joran-van-der-sloot

G. Simkanic Amsterdam 2 months ago

from Google search...

http://www.kingscasino.nl/pdf/brochure.pdf

  from the brochure...





Google translation:

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Note: Same address as the Casino Equipment Business

http://www.nileguide.com/destination/amsterdam/hotels/las-vegas-bed-and-breakfast/322115



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Nice big non smoking rooms on the groundfloor, in a lovely area full with shops close to the vondelpark and centre of Amsterdam. De centre is about 7 minutes with public transportation there you find all bars, restaurants and disco's, the Rijksmuseum and van Gogh museum is about 6 minutes from our location. This area is very quiet and execelent for groups of 4 people. When you check in you will get a free welcome drink and a few dutch snacks. Behalf of the Simkanic family we hope to meet you soon,and we wish you a pleasant stay. NOTE !! On Holiday's there is a supplement
As seen on 

Read more: http://www.nileguide.com/destination/amsterdam/hotels/las-vegas-bed-and-breakfast/322115#ixzz0ynjiGNIc

Woestduinstraat 155
1059 SV Amsterdam
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Reviews:

Nice, small hostel”
Las Vegas Bed and Breakfast

traveldq   1 contribución
Frankfurt, Alemania
30 ago 2010 | Tipo de viaje: En pareja
The few previous reviews are really exaggerated. The owner is quite a character, that's for sure, but he's no creep. He was very friendly all the time and trying to make us feel comfortable. Some people may find all the small talk disturbing after a while, but considering the person has lived in the States for years, I would say it's normal to behave like that. The rooms are spacious and the hostel is located in a quiet area. I would stay there again.

Under NO circumstances stay at this B&B”
Las Vegas Bed and Breakfast

jolente   1 contribución
aken
5 ago 2010 | Tipo de viaje: De negocios

Under NO circumstances stay at this Hostel. Me and my Mother have just had a very bad experience here. We left the hostel after one night due to both me and my Mother feeling very unsafe due to the odd behavior by the hostel owner. We left our room to find the owner sitting in the dark outside our room.

Avoid this place at all costs..you have been warned !”
Las Vegas Bed and Breakfast

polanski09   3 contribuciones
Liverpool
3 ene 2009 | Tipo de viaje: En pareja

5personas encontraron esta crítica útil.

Under NO circumstances stay at this Hostel. Me and my wife have just had a very bad experience here. We left the hostel after one night due to both me and my wife feeling very unsafe due to the frankly very odd behavior by the hostel owner. We were forced to leave when after one night we left our room to find the owner sitting in the dark outside our room. We were constantly harassed and were aware at all times that the owner was camped right outside our door. Everytime that one of us left the room to use the shower/shared bathroom we were stopped by the owner and after using the bathroom the owner would go in afterwards to check it. We stayed at the hostel for New Years Eve and after going out for drinks that evening we were questioned the next morning over how long we stayed out and how many drinks we had at the hostel when returning, we constantly felt like we were being intergogated. We felt increasingly like prisoners and not paying guests. The final straw came when I was questioned by the owner as to who I had been speaking to outside the hostel and why my wife wished to go to bed as she had been in bed all day, at this point we became very concerned as this kind of behavior to us is very strange. Luckily we were able to salvage our holiday but at the price of 180 Euros extra as we were requested to pay for the 3 nights up front. Additionally the price was altered by the Hostel owner from our original invoice adding a holiday charge and city tax to our bill which I questioned by e-mail before arrival.

The money is not our concern, what is that no other people visiting this city should ever stay in this hostel. Finally just to reinforce my point the other couple (an American couple staying in the other room) also left the day before us for we suspect the same uneasy feelings that both myself and my wife had.

Thanks and safe travels !

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I think this is the same David Simkanic as in the pics for King Casino. 

The timing was interesting to me too, about the time Joran went to Thailand after the Range Rover recordings were televised in Feb 2008.  IIRC in the next Peter DeVries show about trafficking Thai girls , Joran was dealing with someone in Amsterdam.  Both pictures that are posted on the site were supposedly taken in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Couldn't help but notice where one of the workers on the right is from!

I just get a hinkey feeling about these people...JMO

http://www.4familycare.com/job_info.php?dz=42676&mena=USD



Larger pictures from the ad...





Comparisons from King Casino brochure photos:

[klaasend]

Someone needs to explain to Anita that Joran would not qualify for being sent to the NL to serve his sentence because he is awaiting extradition to the U.S. on his extortion warrant.  Peru and the US already have extradition treaties in place. 

I talked to someone from the NL over the weekend and they said that this "girlfriend" is just am embassy worker that would be made available to anybody from the NL and Joran is likely lying about it being anything more.  Note that she is in her 30's and so not age appropriate for Joran.

Like everything else, he's just lying some more.

The only place Joran is going to go should he ever leave Peru is to the US to face charges here.  Anita is dreaming that the whole world is trying to get her psycho kid out of jail.  She needs to talk to an international lawyer before doing these idiotic things unless of course, it is for other prisoners benefit she is working.  Hers ain't going anywhere from Peru except maybe to Levenworth to stand trial again.

And extortion carries a very heavy sentence in this country, more than murder in NL.

Just saying. . . .

I choose to believe 100% with the above 

[klaasend]

TM - looks like the same guy to me. 

[texasmom]

Sorry....that last post of mine is a mile long.   

[klaasend]

http://www.cancuntravel.com/hotels/cancun/avalon-grand/reviews/

[klaasend]

http://www.freepaulcortez.org/2008/05/new-blog-releas.html

[robots]

perhaps the reason UGLANITA wants the delicious sporter out as soon as possible is because she realizes
the implications of him being asked more questions about when he killed Natalee. and the delicious sporter whether true or not he can and would possibly inplicate UGLANITA  which would make her future a tad more difficult.... JORANUGLY is capable of telling whoppers mixed in with lettuce and pickles and the occasional dabble of scanty truth...

UGLANITA is skeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred

she doesnt care about the PIG she wants to be able to sell paintings..........

Robots out

[Keepthefaith]

perhaps the reason UGLANITA wants the delicious sporter out as soon as possible is because she realizes
the implications of him being asked more questions about when he killed Natalee. and the delicious sporter whether true or not he can and would possibly inplicate UGLANITA  which would make her future a tad more difficult.... JORANUGLY is capable of telling whoppers mixed in with lettuce and pickles and the occasional dabble of scanty truth...

UGLANITA is skeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred

she doesnt care about the PIG she wants to be able to sell paintings..........

Robots out

Agreed Robots.Once Joran knows for a fact that he has NO chance of getting out he'll be MUCH MORE inclined to spill more beans!JMOO

[MuffyBee]

perhaps the reason UGLANITA wants the delicious sporter out as soon as possible is because she realizes
the implications of him being asked more questions about when he killed Natalee. and the delicious sporter whether true or not he can and would possibly inplicate UGLANITA  which would make her future a tad more difficult.... JORANUGLY is capable of telling whoppers mixed in with lettuce and pickles and the occasional dabble of scanty truth...

UGLANITA is skeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred

she doesnt care about the PIG she wants to be able to sell paintings..........

Robots out

That makes a lot of sense, Robots.    

[Magnolia]

perhaps the reason UGLANITA wants the delicious sporter out as soon as possible is because she realizes
the implications of him being asked more questions about when he killed Natalee. and the delicious sporter whether true or not he can and would possibly inplicate UGLANITA  which would make her future a tad more difficult.... JORANUGLY is capable of telling whoppers mixed in with lettuce and pickles and the occasional dabble of scanty truth...

UGLANITA is skeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred

she doesnt care about the PIG she wants to be able to sell paintings..........

Robots out

I think you've got it figured out, Robots!  Good to see you.

[msmarple]

I'm sure someone has picked up on this by now (I'm trying to catch up).

From the article klaas posted a couple of pages back --

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Felcomercio.pe%2Fnoticia%2F634765%2Fjoran-van-der-sloot-se-responsabilizara-asesinato-stephany-flores-segun-prensa-holandesa&sl=es&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

“ ‘I wanted to make a trip to the family of Natalee because these five years I have life miserable,’ admitted the Dutchman to explain his attempt to blackmail.”

<snip>

“The Dutchman said further that the prison has time to think because in the past five years has only thought of ‘fun’ and ‘money’, without thinking of the future.”

Conflicting statements, in the same interview. The goon is slipping.

Poor pitiful Joran. He's ENTITLED to say, for money, whatever he likes, as often as he likes, about Natalee's demise.
 
He just didn't like the end play, where he was criticized, chased, re-investigated -- if that made him miserable, he should have kept his yap shut.

But he wasn't "miserable" enough to stop. Natalee Holloway has been his unique ATM. Inflicting further misery on her family gets Rewards Points.

I wish these interviews would CEASE. Can't that prison shut them down? All I want to hear about this double murderer is that he is locked up for good.

[robots]

nice to see all of you

i recently saw some arubans,   yuck...........   and no i did not go that hell hole but i did see some

i had to take a lot of showers.......

[Magnolia]

nice to see all of you

i recently saw some arubans,   yuck...........   and no i did not go that hell hole but i did see some

i had to take a lot of showers.......

Were you skeeeeeeeered of them Arubans?