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« Reply #920 on: September 11, 2010, 03:19:37 PM »

again, someone else gave me this information about Walter

Walter has very graciously offered his board as meeting place in case FOB goes down again.

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I always go to that BFN site...and other pro-natalee sites (that lil drunken, drugged up sex starved nympho blonde girl) because they have the bestest ads for Aruba. In fact I have enhanced my knowledge of Aruba ten fold by visiting these sites for the advertisements. My previous knowledge existed only from listening to the exploits of one of my lawyers. Now thanks to all of these wonderful pro-aruba advertisements I can click and learn so much detailed and positive info.
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Virgin or Vamp? I vote for skanky Ho...just like dear OLD mom

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« Reply #921 on: September 11, 2010, 03:21:48 PM »

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« Reply #922 on: September 11, 2010, 03:24:28 PM »

The Natalee Reward site has noticed you have high interest in this subject. With your connections, might you be able to obtain an image of the reward entry Jossy has hosted in the Diario this week.

The Committee very much would like to update their site with this new information. So far we have not seen it anywhere on line.
Others should be able to view this beyond just those in Aruba that may read the Diario.

Reward's Committee.

"Jan Brennan" nhreward@yahoo.com
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« Reply #923 on: September 11, 2010, 03:38:56 PM »

And yet Jan Brennen is still allowed at BFN?  Seems so strange to me.

She is at RU adamantly defending Anita and her parenting skills and her dancing duds.
And she thinks Joran is just misunderstood.
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« Reply #924 on: September 11, 2010, 05:11:33 PM »

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-appeal-drags-on/onsOHKQv5kanWZRm5LCgjA.cspx


van der Sloot appeal drags on

Last Update: 1:42 pm

Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  While Joran van der Sloot sits in his cell at Lima's Castro Castro prison he's probably revelling in the attention he gained with an interview aired on Dutch TV Monday night.  But he's also waiting an answer on a far more important question:  his bid to get a murder confession tossed out of court because of alleged improprieties.

Under Peruvian law, it takes three appellate judges to sustain or deny an appeal.  The initial three judge panel split 2-1 in favor of denying the appeal, so a fourth judge was appointed.  But even that decision may not end the drama.  If the fourth judge sides with van der Sloot, a fifth judge will be appointed to review the same evidence and provide the necessary third vote.

Van der Sloot confessed to killing Stephany Flores after the Peruvian student found material relating to Natalee Holloway on van der Sloot's computer.  The body of Flores, a 21 year old student and daughter of a Peruvian business man and race car driver, was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day after Holloway disappeared in Aruba.  The Mountain Brook teenager was on a graduation trip to Aruba and was last seen leaving a nightclub there with van der Sloot.  He's still the prime suspect in that case but was never charged.

So what's at stake with his appeal in Peru?  Authorities there would still have a substantial amount of evidence in their murder case, including security camera video of van der Sloot and Flores entering his hotel room but only him coming out.  Current Peruvian law would have a maximum sentence of 35 years if van der Sloot is convicted of killing Flores.

Lurking in the background are federal charges of wire fraud and extortion claiming van der Sloot scammed the Holloway family taking $25,000 but not coming across with promised information on Natalee's fate.  In his Dutch television interview he admitted the scam "I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years,"

The United States has requested extradition on the federal charges but Peru has physical custody and their murder charges take precedent.
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« Reply #925 on: September 11, 2010, 05:12:18 PM »

Finally beat TM to an article?  
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« Reply #926 on: September 11, 2010, 05:41:40 PM »

Finally beat TM to an article?  

 

 




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« Reply #927 on: September 11, 2010, 05:50:40 PM »

I am concerned if Joran is released from Peruvian detection prior to charges being filed for rearrest on the evidence ... the order to extradict to the States will go into effect and ... Joran will never be returned to Peru to face charges in Stephany's murder.

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Dutch paper: Van der Sloot admits extortion
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 6, 2010 4:40 p.m. EDT


Alteza said that van der Sloot's constitutional rights have been violated and he "could be released because of the mistakes made by the police during the investigation."

"It doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/06/peru.vandersloot.extortion/?hpt=T2


Van der Sloot: I've 'misused' Holloway case 'for my own advantage'By the CNN Wire Staff
September 7, 2010 9:11 a.m. EDT


But Kelly pointed out Tuesday that if he is released, van der Sloot will be held in Alabama on the charges related to extortion.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/07/peru.vandersloot/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
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« Reply #928 on: September 11, 2010, 06:19:30 PM »

The words "lured", "regained his attention", "convinced" and "a promise" in the following article concerns me.  I hope that Joran has not been assured that he can beat the extortion charges ... return home to the Netherlands and ... never be extradited back to Peru to face charges in the murder of Sephany.

Think about it.  Joran van der Sloot accepted big bucks twice from Greta to reveal the truth regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway only to later retract his words.  Why was he not charged with extortion?

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Holloway family extortion plot: 'Why not?'
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"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family — her parents have been making my life tough for five years," the De Telegraaf newspaper quoted Joran Van der Sloot as saying in an interview published Monday.

"When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not?'" he added, according to the newspaper.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39023617/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts


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Original Article - June 11, 2010

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
John Q. Kelly set up suspect, who said he would show Holloway’s remains
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An attorney for Natalee Holloway's mother spent more than six hours on two occasions trying to get Joran van der Sloot to divulge the location in Aruba of her daughter’s remains, first on his own, then with the help of the FBI.  He lured van der Sloot with $100 and the promise of $25,000 more, he tells TODAY.

Van der Sloot, who is under arrest in Peru for the murder of the 21-year-old daughter of a prominent local family, has been suspected almost from the beginning of being responsible for Holloway’s death in Aruba five years ago.

Attorney John Q. Kelly says he walked away from his meetings with van der Sloot having no doubt that the suspect is a psychopath.

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http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627/ns/today-today_people/#ixzz0qZ1tI5xl

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Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
John Q. Kelly set up suspect, who said he would show Holloway’s remains
By Mike Celizic
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updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET


Joran van der Sloot was so desperate for money that $100 — with only a promise of more to come — was all he needed to further an FBI sting operation and spark a chain of events that ended with him confessing to a Peruvian woman's savage death, according to the lawyer who provided the funds.

In a TODAY exclusive, John Q. Kelly, an attorney for Natalee Holloway's mother, offered new details about the sting operation that likely allowed van der Sloot to flee Aruba for Peru.

Van der Sloot has been suspected almost from the beginning of being responsible for Natalee Holloway’s disappearance in Aruba five years ago, and Thursday, Peruvian police told NBC News that he admitted knowing the location of Holloway’s remains. They added that he was willing to tell authorities in Aruba where to find the Alabama teenager’s remains.

In March, van der Sloot reached out to Kelly, demanding $250,000 from Holloway’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, in exchange for leading Kelly to the teenager’s remains, Kelly told TODAY.

Kelly said that when van der Sloot contacted him, he did not think he was going to learn the truth. His feelings, he said, were, “skepticism, caution, assuming everything he was going to tell me was false — but I had to understandably think that it might be true, also; so approach it very carefully and keep communicating.”

Kelly agreed to meet van der Sloot alone and brought no money — angering the suspect. Kelly then called the FBI to set up a sting, telling TODAY it only took $100 to convince van der Sloot to start talking with him again.

'A win-win situation'
Kelly said he ultimately decided he couldn’t lose by playing along with van der Sloot's demands for money in exchange for revealing the location of Holloway's remains.

“It was a win-win situation. He was either going to pay the money, and if the information turned out to be true, Beth would get closure, she’d bring Natalie home. Assuming it was false, it would be extortion and wire fraud once falsehoods are proven. Either way, he’d be boxed in,” Kelly told TODAY. Kelly said van der Sloot wanted $25,000 up front, with the rest to be provided when the remains were recovered and proven to be Holloway’s, Kelly said.

So Kelly went to Aruba in April to meet with van der Sloot without telling anyone but his own wife and Twitty. He met van der Sloot for about two hours in a hotel.

“No money, no recording devices. Nobody knew I was there,” Kelly said Friday. “It was Easter Sunday. It was one-on-one in a hotel room for a couple hours. He thought I was bringing the $25,000. I engaged him in a long series of conversations. I was trying to get as much information as I could.”

Van der Sloot wanted money, and when Kelly said he didn’t have it with him, the man got “very angry, very agitated, very upset.”

Kelly said it was nerve-racking.

“He’s a big guy. He’s 6’4”, 225 [pounds], well built. He’s sort of a threatening individual when he gets angry, no question.”

When Kelly returned to the States, he contacted the FBI and began to set up the elaborate sting with the FBI and Aruban law-enforcement authorities.

He regained van der Sloot’s attention by sending him $100. Then, with a promise that he would bring $25,000, another meeting was set up for May 10 in Aruba.

This time, Kelly was hooked up with recording devices and rehearsed in how he needed to handle the transaction. He gave van der Sloot $10,000 in cash, establishing extortion, then had $15,000 of Twitty's personal money wired to van der Sloot’s bank account in the Netherlands, establishing wire fraud.

Van der Sloot and Kelly signed a contract, and van der Sloot took the lawyer on a drive to show where Holloway’s remains were. He pointed out a house and said his father had helped dispose of the body in the foundation. It was later determined that the house was not built when Holloway disappeared on her high school’s senior trip and that the information was false.

Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.


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« Reply #929 on: September 11, 2010, 06:39:06 PM »

DATELINE - CHRIS HANSEN - SEPTEMBER 10, 2010

Joran van der Sloot Behind Bars


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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39108371#39108371

Part 2:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39108515#39108515

Part 3:
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Part 5:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39108515#39108883

Part 6:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39108515#39108991


Dutch reporter sees 'two faces' of van der Sloot

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39100831#39100831
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« Reply #930 on: September 11, 2010, 08:26:16 PM »

I am concerned if Joran is released from Peruvian detection prior to charges being filed for rearrest on the evidence ... the order to extradict to the States will go into effect and ... Joran will never be returned to Peru to face charges in Stephany's murder.

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JORAN ACTIONS UP TO HIS MURDERING STEPHANY. Up to this point Joran was mainly on facebook adding friends and playing mafia wars and farmville games.

March 9, 2010 - Joran has removed 6 pics from his Facebook, and both videos he had up. No idea what pics he removed.........he had 55, now has 49.


3/19/2010 - The Latest Twist in the Natalee Holloway Case … Pics of Body Found While Scuba Diving in Aruba?


03/28/2010 - ISA Bingo Joran with his mother
http://www.isaruba.com/Community/Minutes/december.html


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March 29, van der Sloot contacted a representative of Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway. http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/08/us.van.der.sloot.alabama/index.html?hpt=T3



March 30, 2010 – John Q. Kelly states on Dateline this is the date that Joran emailed him telling him that his father is dead and for a quarter of a million dollars he will tell what happened to Natalee.


4-4-10 John Q. Kelly is in Aruba and meets with Joran at the Marriott. Joran aluded to where Natalee's body was. Joran was aware of the 5 year anniversary.  He appareaed nervous. Desparate and agitated.

4-6-10 Joran in Lorenzo van accident


May 10, 2010 – sting operation – Joran received in a hotel room $10,000.00 cash and $15,000.00 wire transfer to his bank account


May 10: EMAIL from JORAN to John Ludwig:
"I am going to Peru to live their (sic) until I need to go back to Thailand & take care of my shop.  I am done with Aruba.  Take care."

May 13, 2010 Joran left Aruba to Columbia

May 14, 2010 Anita and Renfro post to Joran on facebook.

Anita Hugen 
I hope the future will bring you, wisdom, trust,honesty, love and good friends. 
May 14 at 10:26am 

Julia Renfro 
Be Grateful... for those who love you, for those who support you, for everything -- good and the bad. Be Grateful, life will come full circle even when the clouds are so dark, there is always a rainbow to come. 
Sunday at 5:05pm

Does that sound like a worried mother that her son did not go to the psychiatric hospital for his depression/addictions etc? Nor does her friend Julia seem to be concerned or tell him to come back.

MAY 25, 2010 – Joran contacted John Q. Kelly for the last time.

MAY 25, 2010 – POSTED:

Jaime Carrasquilla 

Awo cu Mourinho ta bai join Real Madrid e worst nightmare di Barca Ta bai cuminsa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AYO Barca!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Yesterday at 9:21am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
pfff you wish 
Yesterday at 3:06pm


Romy Hoeksma 
Hey Joran, 
How are you doing? long time no speak..woon je nog in thailand?Yesterday at 11:40am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
Hey Romy, 
Ja zoizo lang geleden. Nee zit niet meer in thailand ben nu in een ander land. Hoe gaat alles met jou? 
Yesterday at 11:45am 

Romy Hoeksma 
ja top:) 
Binnekort weer lekker naar de caribean:) daarna ga ik door naar seoel voor me study..wat doe je nu allemaal? 
Yesterday at 11:47am 

Joran Van Der Sloot 
Doe je goed welk eiland ga je naartoe? Ik ben bezig met werk heb me bedrijf in thailand verhuurd en heb nu gewoon een betaalde baan dus ben daar ook druk mee bezig. Hoop dat alles goed met jou is en veel geluk gewenst in seoel ik ben er een keer geweest met wat thaise vrienden en was super leuk uiteraad well een cultuur shock maar daar doe je het voor tog . Groetjes. 
Yesterday at 11:52am 

Translated: 

Romy Hoeksma 
Hey Joran, 
How are you doing? long time no speak...yet you live in thailand? 

Joran: 

Yes zoizo long ago. No is no longer in Thailand am in another country. How's everything with you? 

Romy: 

yes top:) 
Soon again went to the Caribbean:) then I go on to Seoul to study me .. what do you all now? 

Joran: 

Do you look what island are you going? I'm doing work, I let my business in Thailand and have now just a paid job so am too busy working. Hope all is well with you and good luck in Seoul, I been here once with some Thai friends and was super nice uiteraad a culture shock but well done for the tog:). Greetings.

JORAN EMAIL TO JOHN LUDWIG:
May 26:
Hey,
Just so you know I will be coming back to Aruba on Sunday."

ALMOST THREE WEEKS LATER JORAN HAS BLOWN THROUGH $25,000.00 CASH he extorted from Beth

May 29:
"Happy birthday man I hope you had a good day & remember how imortant family & friends are.  I won't bother you today but send me some money through Western Union tomorrow.  The only information of mine you is my name Joran van der Sloot, the country Peru & the city Lima.  I need this man for my ticket back so di it for me. Take care & enjoy your b-day."


05/29/2010
Stephany Flores meets Joran van der Sloot in the Atlantic City Casino in Lima, Peru


May 30/31, 2010 – Joran leaves Casino with Stephany and returns to his hotel R 5:16 and 8:45 am Joran leaves his hotel room.
http://www.diariolaprimeraperu.com/online/policial/holandes-es-principal-sospechoso_63588.html
Approx. 5:16am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores leave the Atlantic City Casino
Approx. 5:40am:     Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores arrive at TAC hotel and enter Joran's room
Approx. 8:10-8:30am:     Joran leaves the hotel room, crosses the street, purchases two cups of coffee & breakfast bread, returns to the hotel room
Approx. 9:45am:     Joran leaves the hotel room a second time carrying a duffel bag and backpack.

Joran Has Fled to Chile


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« Reply #931 on: September 11, 2010, 08:28:45 PM »


The way Joran described to John Q. Kelly how he pushed Natalee and she hit her head was similar to how he killed Stephany. I thought that was very telling because in the beginning DEEPAK KALPOE said that Natalee fell and hit her head. Probably a lot of truth in that one statement.

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« Reply #932 on: September 11, 2010, 08:56:15 PM »


The way Joran described to John Q. Kelly how he pushed Natalee and she hit her head was similar to how he killed Stephany. I thought that was very telling because in the beginning DEEPAK KALPOE said that Natalee fell and hit her head. Probably a lot of truth in that one statement.



I agree.  There was a time that I believed that Natalee's death was an act of wrongdoing but ...  unintentional nevertheless.  Maybe an overdose of GHB.  However ... the results of Stephany's autopsy convinces me otherwise.  Both young ladies were victims of Joran's rage.  IMO 

I thought last night's Dateline was good.  My hubby taped it for me on our old VCR because many NBC's videos cannot be accessed in Canada.  I am in communication with a very nice rep at NBC and ... she is attempting to find me an alternate route that implies I can access the Network's videos.  Anyways ... I hope a transcript emerges.

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« Reply #933 on: September 11, 2010, 09:15:44 PM »

Kermit, I'm not worried either.

He's NOT in Aruba anymore.   


 
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« Reply #934 on: September 11, 2010, 09:29:41 PM »

Kermit, I'm not worried either.

He's NOT in Aruba anymore.   


 

On "Dateline" last night -- Joran was pretty much saying "Sure I did it -- but, they did not arrest me in Chile -- they expelled me. I should have gotten away with the crime. They Cheated!" 
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« Reply #935 on: September 11, 2010, 09:40:55 PM »

Kermit, I'm not worried either.

He's NOT in Aruba anymore.   


 

On "Dateline" last night -- Joran was pretty much saying "Sure I did it -- but, they did not arrest me in Chile -- they expelled me. I should have gotten away with the crime. They Cheated!" 



I remember some early reports stating that Joran left his passport at the Hotel Tac.

Do we know for sure if that was true or not?

I remembered that when he was saying he could have just taken a plane to the Netherlands.

If he could have hopped a plane from Chile, WHY did he dye his hair and take taxi's out of Peru?

I don't think he had his passport, since he left without checking out of the hotel.  IIRC, it was in the hotel safe.  Therefore, he couldn't hop a plane out of the country.  I don't recall if they ever said how much money he had on him either, but it sure didn't look like much to me!

If he didn't cross into Chile legally...WITH HIS PASSPORT...wouldn't that be sufficient reason to expel him? 

He's just telling more lies.   

JMO

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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #936 on: September 11, 2010, 09:52:49 PM »

Supposedly Joran had dual passports. I think he had to leave his passport at the hostel -- he still should have had one.
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« Reply #937 on: September 11, 2010, 10:18:23 PM »

Supposedly Joran had dual passports. I think he had to leave his passport at the hostel -- he still should have had one.

Legally?  I don't see how he could.  

Dual, as in from two different countries?

Unless one of his parents were born in another country, or he was married at some point that we don't know about...I don't see how that could be.

Or two Dutch passports?  But I wouldn't think that would be legal either.
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« Reply #938 on: September 11, 2010, 10:20:19 PM »

Supposedly Joran had dual passports. I think he had to leave his passport at the hostel -- he still should have had one.

Legally?  I don't see how he could.  

Dual, as in from two different countries?

Unless one of his parents were was born in another country, or he was married at some point that we don't know about...I don't see how that could be.

Or two Dutch passports?  But I wouldn't think that would be legal either.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #939 on: September 11, 2010, 10:20:22 PM »

Supposedly Joran had dual passports. I think he had to leave his passport at the hostel -- he still should have had one.

Legally?  I don't see how he could.  

Dual, as in from two different countries?

Unless one of his parents were born in another country, or he was married at some point that we don't know about...I don't see how that could be.

Or two Dutch passports?  But I wouldn't think that would be legal either.
I never said "Legally"!  Monkey Devil!
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