Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #18 8/11/10 - 8/13/10

[Tracygirl]

No signs of foul play? Clothing was found near the bones? Did she undress herself throw the cloths down into the revine and then jump? come on now...this case is nothing more then CYA, what happened to this woman should never had happened. I don't know if it is because she was african american, if she was mentally ill and didn't matter or if LE had their heads up their hinneys that night, but I find her release from jail, alone at night, no car or anyway but to walk miles, against her rights. I hope the parents sue the pants off of them all and then help to creat a new law. This is an outrage! imo.

Prayers to the family. May they some how find comfort in knowing their daughter is in a place of peace.

WTH? This was posted in the matrice folder not this one, can a mod please delete this posting?

[Wyks]

I am going to have to agree with you sorry there are too many different versions from KH's version, not only with TH but also DY.  THIS IS IN NO WAY condoning or siding with ANYTHING TH and buddies have done. 
PEOPLE when unhappy you do have an option it is called D-I-V-O-R-C-E, yes divorce....just blows me away.
I am above and over the top angry at this whole situation with TH and DDS, they are truly bad people on my scale of good and bad....
I wish James would just give a statement at this point and but it to rest get his name out of the whole thing, I feel so sorry for the children of these people, forever when friends google their names now, it will list TH and what she has done.

Yeah.  I'd like to hear just a lil statement from James, and Quinn as well.  Those two are wayyyyyyy the heck too quiet.  Likely for good reason, since they are minors.  But still.  They are both old enough to have important input that won't necessarily 'damage the investigation', but help to bring an understanding.  We've heard a few public statements from minors a lot younger than these two before. 

Such as a 2 yr old who seemingly broke a case wide open with, "Mommy cry.  Mommy bwoke table.  Mommy in rug."   

[Patricia Mocha Latte]

https://ccbed.ccb.state.or.us/ccb_frames/consumer_info/business_detail.asp?license_number=141629

https://ccbed.ccb.state.or.us/ccb_frames/consumer_info/business_detail.asp?license_number=141629

Thank you Klaas! I just google mapped the addy shown for him and it is showing a business district area and not a housing area?

I was gleaning and not cleaning 

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/Scouty77/comments-5.html

It may not matter, but in the reduced interview it isn't clear that this Jason guy is a FORMER boyfriend of DeDe's.

They dated for 10 months and broke up 'about a year ago' is what was said on TV last night. Again, it may not matter but this guy is not her current boyfriend at least according to the interview. Doesn't mean they're not in touch.

Posted on Kaine Horman challenges those with information to come forward in Kyron Horman case on July 31, 2010, 9:54AM

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/Scouty77/comments-5.html

Sheesh! I must have missed that article! Those peeps there were talking about this daaaays ago!
I believe this is significant. How? I am not exactly sure yet but the guy seems familiar.
His influence on DS and possibly TH could be an issue.

If he is not involved, DS and TH, with their possibly limited knowledge, could have been pulling all of this off but I agree they are not in this by themselves.

Possibly like, say for instance, someone has a headache, you might offer them an aspirin. It still won't make you a Dr. yeah?

And on another note....I wonder if anything came of that bloody sock reporting?

[sebastian]

Unfortunately, I strongly feel this case is going to turn out just like Scotty Baker's.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0%2C%2C20104652%2C00.html

I just don't see anything that points to Terri being overly caring or loving to Kyron after Kiara came along.  I really think she wanted him gone!  Just my opinion, of course.

I made an interesting discovery regarding Terri and her facebook photos. In the beginning, when I was a fence sitter and leaning more towards Terri not being involved, I looked at her facebook photos and saw her as a caring mother who just got overwhelmed with "new baby syndrome". Taking more pictures of the baby but still occasionally taking photos of Kyron to let all know that he was not forgotten. I did not see anything sinister in her photos at all. When I jumped off of the fence, I saw things in a different light. I saw her as not caring too much for Kyron and even her facial expressions bugged me. Last night, I perused through the long list of photos that someone provided (sorry I cannot remember who brought them forward on page 2 but thank you). I am back on that fence and I got teary eyed going through the photos. Once again, because I am back on the fence, I did not see anything sinister in any of the photos. I think your mindset at the time of viewing projects a lot. At least it does for me. My favorite photo and the one that broke my heart was when the whole family were cuddled up in the "snuggies".

[sebastian]

I want to know when Dede and Jason split up...and if either of the Sanchez boys ever worked for Embassy.

Excellent question mediamama!!!!!

[Wyks]

Just my opinion, but I think that DeDe Spicher has Terri on a pedestal.

For some reason DeDe thinks that Terri is the Cats Axx.
That she sees' Terri as superwoman or something. More than likely at one time ( if not even today) there is some envy on Dede's part .. that she wishes she could be just like Terri.
Sounds to me that DeDe is fairly gullible..when it comes to Terri. That Dede is Starry-eyed when she is with Terri.  Terri is the big dawg and Dede is the little dog .. jumping up and down .. doing whatever she can to impress Terri.

The video of DeDe walking outside of the court house, that has been posted here before. Dede's body language as she walking, and the smug smirk on her face.. 
Her body swaying back and forth, her arms across her chest, reminds me of a child, that knows they are in trouble, yet they are not going to say anything .. "as if she is offering to all around her" via her body language, to me she comes across as ( You're not my Mom Hah Hah, I don't have to tell you anything)... like the cat who swallowed the canary. She obviously is standing by Terri's side... Its more so to protect her precious Terri. 
Than to protect her own self/future. She is not standing up for Kyron, that's a given. Almost makes you wonder if Dede is in love with Terri. ( not inferring anything, its just an observation) Many women, have gone to jail/prison to protect their boyfriends/spouses, just saying. 
 

I agree!  And I'll go ahead and infer it, cuz that's exactly what it appears to me to be.  DeDe 'in love with' Terri.  And come 'hell or highwater' seems to be gonna defend her to the limit.  As one typically would do with their SO. 

[hellokitty]

OK here is a "What if", What if TH believed that Kyron were being harmed in some way, (I refuse to speculate as to what if anything might have occurred or been suspected if possible.) What if TH and her buddies had taken Kyron to a safe place that would be in their opinion better than where he was currently? What if they had just enough knowledge of Children's rights to believe what they wer doing was ok but when it was reported that Kyron had disappeared the case then went national as the local PD was all over it.
(Another case of the new sheriff being in town. I noticed that in doing some research.)
Anyway what if they expected the case to fly under the radar so to speak just long enough that they could have legal representation for Kyron?
TH didn't want to lose custody of either her Daughter nor have access as a Mother to Kyron but things went out of control before anything could be done?

I am not saying I believe that Kyron was harmed I am saying "what if" this is what TH believed?

I think the arrest of KH's brother might have inspired her to tell her buddies that Kaine was a threat.

Kyron is fully capable to be brought to a center to disclose absse.  He is verbal.  There is no reason that TH would have to do anything like that.  There are professionals that deal with this all of the time.

KH's own Brother was recently convicted and is known to be a pedophile. Then we have rumors floating around about KH possibly cheating on TH. Even rumors of a male partner? Who knows if any of that is true?

This feels more correct than any other theory I have read and it follows along with my own thoughts about this case so far.

It would also explain to me very clearly why it is that Desiree is so hitting below the belt against TH on issues and suggestions that do not even make any sense when considering the fact the level of seriousness that should be singularly about finding Kyron first and foremost.
How could TH and DY not be on friendly terms when TH emailed her so often and not just on the day that Kyron was reported as missing?
The way that DY makes it appear is that they were sworn enemies. It doesn't make any sense.


 

[Deenie]

The website from the Craigslist post - links to here
Jason Name Redacted
http://www.embassyenterprises.biz/

Funny how he has two little boys on his site, looking over a fence ..

His Bio:
Embassy Enterprises was founded in June 1993 by Jason Name Redacted. Mr. Name Redacted is a child advocate who has been a volunteer with the Citizen Review Board of Multnomah County  for 10 years in November 2008. Currently he is a 6 time Oregon Supreme Court Appointee (Citizen Review Board) and became the youngest male in Oregon history to be elected to serve as a Judicial Advisor with his July 2006 election to the State Advisory Council. In his capacity as a Citizen Review Board Member, Mr. Name Redacted provides judicial oversight to the cases of children placed in state custody. Through this process, he ensures that each child is safe, healthy and has a permanent place to call home.

n 1994, Mr. Name Redacted started sponsoring children through the Christian Children’s Fund out of Richmond, Virginia. In 2002, he was inducted into the “Friends of Children" Society from the accumulated total of gifts to CCF over the years. This is a Fortune 500 charitable organization with a 92% contribution to child efficiency rate.

In 2003, Mr. Name Redacted began sponsoring orphans in Mexico through the “Friends of Pimpollo” child outreach organization based in Salem, Oregon and headed by Mr. John Kerr. This is not only a financial assistance program but a hands-on program as well. Twice a year, “Friends of Pimpollo” sends teams of volunteers down into the poorest parts of Mexico and completes a construction project to benefit the children of Pimpollo.

- There is that Virginia again. 
Going to check out these Child Friend sites .. 


      


      

[Wyks]

I think LE/FBI would do well just to ask Kiara what happened that day.   

[Tamikosmom]

I think LE/FBI would do well just to ask Kiara what happened that day.   

 

[Scatty]

That guy looks familiar. Has his photo been published before now?

It isn't him, but he may look a little like one of those mugshots from Blink's site.

[hellokitty]

   My reply to Patricia didn't work.

I think that KH's brother's arrest may have inspired Terri to say something to her buddies about KH doing things to Kyron.

If that were in fact the case, Kyron is verbal and can be brought to a professional center that deals with these issues all of the time.  There is no excuse that she would take Kyron and hide him.

[klaasend]

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/sks/1886205738.html

Jason's post on Craigslist - which is current - posted August 7, 2010

12. State licensed contractor in business 17 years  on June 1st. Bonded at $10,000.00 and Insured at $1,000,000.00 No CCB complaints ever. Please verify this by logging onto the CCB website at www.ccb.state.or.us then type in my license #141629.

13. Please visit my website for pictures and letters from past customers commenting on our customer service and business integrity at www.embassyenterprises.biz

14. Currently we offer service only to residential homeowners and are unable at this time of economic uncertainty to give estimates to banks, property management companies, investors and all other non-owner occupied structures.

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Why does Rodney Bender sound familiar?

http://www.rodbendercreative.com/about.html

[hellokitty]

Unfortunately, I strongly feel this case is going to turn out just like Scotty Baker's.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0%2C%2C20104652%2C00.html

I just don't see anything that points to Terri being overly caring or loving to Kyron after Kiara came along.  I really think she wanted him gone!  Just my opinion, of course.

I made an interesting discovery regarding Terri and her facebook photos. In the beginning, when I was a fence sitter and leaning more towards Terri not being involved, I looked at her facebook photos and saw her as a caring mother who just got overwhelmed with "new baby syndrome". Taking more pictures of the baby but still occasionally taking photos of Kyron to let all know that he was not forgotten. I did not see anything sinister in her photos at all. When I jumped off of the fence, I saw things in a different light. I saw her as not caring too much for Kyron and even her facial expressions bugged me. Last night, I perused through the long list of photos that someone provided (sorry I cannot remember who brought them forward on page 2 but thank you). I am back on that fence and I got teary eyed going through the photos. Once again, because I am back on the fence, I did not see anything sinister in any of the photos. I think your mindset at the time of viewing projects a lot. At least it does for me. My favorite photo and the one that broke my heart was when the whole family were cuddled up in the "snuggies".

The snuggies picture was around the time of the MFH and James off to Roseburg.  Pictures are deceiving.

[sebastian]

The website from the Craigslist post - links to here
Jason Name Redacted
http://www.embassyenterprises.biz/

Funny how he has two little boys on his site, looking over a fence ..

His Bio:
Embassy Enterprises was founded in June 1993 by Jason Name Redacted. Mr. Name Redacted is a child advocate who has been a volunteer with the Citizen Review Board of Multnomah County  for 10 years in November 2008. Currently he is a 6 time Oregon Supreme Court Appointee (Citizen Review Board) and became the youngest male in Oregon history to be elected to serve as a Judicial Advisor with his July 2006 election to the State Advisory Council. In his capacity as a Citizen Review Board Member, Mr. Name Redacted provides judicial oversight to the cases of children placed in state custody. Through this process, he ensures that each child is safe, healthy and has a permanent place to call home.

n 1994, Mr. Name Redacted started sponsoring children through the Christian Children’s Fund out of Richmond, Virginia. In 2002, he was inducted into the “Friends of Children" Society from the accumulated total of gifts to CCF over the years. This is a Fortune 500 charitable organization with a 92% contribution to child efficiency rate.

In 2003, Mr. Name Redacted began sponsoring orphans in Mexico through the “Friends of Pimpollo” child outreach organization based in Salem, Oregon and headed by Mr. John Kerr. This is not only a financial assistance program but a hands-on program as well. Twice a year, “Friends of Pimpollo” sends teams of volunteers down into the poorest parts of Mexico and completes a construction project to benefit the children of Pimpollo.

- There is that Virginia again. 
Going to check out these Child Friend sites .. 


      


      

You have to wonder if someone who gets involved with this type of organization ever decides to cross the line and play God. Perhaps after seeing so many horrors, they take it upon themselves to decide what is or is not in a childs best interest, ie: involving themselves in underground railroads for children.

[sebastian]

  My reply to Patricia didn't work.

I think that KH's brother's arrest may have inspired Terri to say something to her buddies about KH doing things to Kyron.

If that were in fact the case, Kyron is verbal and can be brought to a professional center that deals with these issues all of the time.  There is no excuse that she would take Kyron and hide him.

I don't think that Patricia is making an excuse and for myself, I am not doing that either. I will let Patricia speak for herself, but for me, I am just trying to get into Terri's possible mindset and following this logic it make ME feel better that perhaps Kyron is still alive.

[Patricia Mocha Latte]

The website from the Craigslist post - links to here
Jason Name Redacted
http://www.embassyenterprises.biz/

Funny how he has two little boys on his site, looking over a fence ..

His Bio:
Embassy Enterprises was founded in June 1993 by Jason Name Redacted. Mr. Name Redacted is a child advocate who has been a volunteer with the Citizen Review Board of Multnomah County  for 10 years in November 2008. Currently he is a 6 time Oregon Supreme Court Appointee (Citizen Review Board) and became the youngest male in Oregon history to be elected to serve as a Judicial Advisor with his July 2006 election to the State Advisory Council. In his capacity as a Citizen Review Board Member, Mr. Name Redacted provides judicial oversight to the cases of children placed in state custody. Through this process, he ensures that each child is safe, healthy and has a permanent place to call home.

n 1994, Mr. Name Redacted started sponsoring children through the Christian Children’s Fund out of Richmond, Virginia. In 2002, he was inducted into the “Friends of Children" Society from the accumulated total of gifts to CCF over the years. This is a Fortune 500 charitable organization with a 92% contribution to child efficiency rate.

In 2003, Mr. Name Redacted began sponsoring orphans in Mexico through the “Friends of Pimpollo” child outreach organization based in Salem, Oregon and headed by Mr. John Kerr. This is not only a financial assistance program but a hands-on program as well. Twice a year, “Friends of Pimpollo” sends teams of volunteers down into the poorest parts of Mexico and completes a construction project to benefit the children of Pimpollo.

- There is that Virginia again. 
Going to check out these Child Friend sites .. 


      


      

You have to wonder if someone who gets involved with this type of organization ever decides to cross the line and play God. Perhaps after seeing so many horrors, they take it upon themselves to decide what is or is not in a childs best interest, ie: involving themselves in underground railroads for children.

Exactly my thoughts as well!

[seahorse]

I want to know when Dede and Jason split up...and if either of the Sanchez boys ever worked for Embassy.

Excellent question mediamama!!!!!

They split-up a year ago according Scouty77 comment from July 31, 2010.


http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/Scouty77/comments-5.html


They dated for 10 months and broke up 'about a year ago' is what was said on TV last night. Again, it may not matter but this guy is not her current boyfriend at least according to the interview. Doesn't mean they're not in touch.


http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/Scouty77/comments-5.html

[Wyks]

Please forgive me if this has been addressed but I just wanted to say that just because someone is here illegally does not mean that he has no qualms with breaking the law.  It’s a very broad overgeneralization.  That's like saying because I don’t drive the speed limit, I don’t have any qualms with breaking the law.  I have huge issues with breaking the law but I drive with the flow of traffic and here in the big city, no one does the speed limit unless a cop around. 

That he’s here illegally doesn’t mean anything other than that he overstayed a visa, lost a work permit or yeah, ok, crossed illegally.  Let’s talk about why ppl come to the states - better life, make more money to send home to help family, to get away from the violence if their Mexican.  Do yo have any idea how hard ppl work to make less than minimum wage?  Most undocumented workers put up with a lot - cramped living space, being paid less than minimum wage for more work, unscrupulous bosses who may not pay at the end of the day, not having access to things we take for granted and always looking over their shoulders because you never know when ICE will come around. 

This is all conjecture anyway, but if he were here to work towards a better life, why would he muck it up?  Moreover, why would he muck it up when cooperating might help him with a visa?  This has happened before, I forgot what it’s called but there is a visa they will issue when someone narcs.  Remember the Russian spy ring?  If it can be proven that a person has relevant information to a criminal case, the law can be applied.  I think it’s only under extreme cases (ie - national security) but there’s no reason a compelling case can’t be made to help secure a visa if he remains cooperative and provides relevant, critical information.

It still doesn’t seem like the LS has a committed an actual crime in this matter but he’s under tremendous scrutiny. 

At the end of the day there are two ppl who know what happened, two ppl who could end this speculation.  There are at least 2 ppl with a special place reserved in a very hot locale for disappearing the sweetest, brightest little guy ever. 

Sorry, ok, back to work...

best, C

Thank you for these perspectives, Mon Quixote!  I just love when you post, wish you could do that a bit more often!   

[Scatty]

The website from the Craigslist post - links to here
Jason Name Redacted
http://www.embassyenterprises.biz/

Funny how he has two little boys on his site, looking over a fence ..

His Bio:
Embassy Enterprises was founded in June 1993 by Jason Name Redacted. Mr. Name Redacted is a child advocate who has been a volunteer with the Citizen Review Board of Multnomah County  for 10 years in November 2008. Currently he is a 6 time Oregon Supreme Court Appointee (Citizen Review Board) and became the youngest male in Oregon history to be elected to serve as a Judicial Advisor with his July 2006 election to the State Advisory Council. In his capacity as a Citizen Review Board Member, Mr. Name Redacted provides judicial oversight to the cases of children placed in state custody. Through this process, he ensures that each child is safe, healthy and has a permanent place to call home.

n 1994, Mr. Name Redacted started sponsoring children through the Christian Children’s Fund out of Richmond, Virginia. In 2002, he was inducted into the “Friends of Children" Society from the accumulated total of gifts to CCF over the years. This is a Fortune 500 charitable organization with a 92% contribution to child efficiency rate.

In 2003, Mr. Name Redacted began sponsoring orphans in Mexico through the “Friends of Pimpollo” child outreach organization based in Salem, Oregon and headed by Mr. John Kerr. This is not only a financial assistance program but a hands-on program as well. Twice a year, “Friends of Pimpollo” sends teams of volunteers down into the poorest parts of Mexico and completes a construction project to benefit the children of Pimpollo.

- There is that Virginia again. 
Going to check out these Child Friend sites .. 


      


      

You have to wonder if someone who gets involved with this type of organization ever decides to cross the line and play God. Perhaps after seeing so many horrors, they take it upon themselves to decide what is or is not in a childs best interest, ie: involving themselves in underground railroads for children.

Sebastian, I agree and wonder the same thing.