Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #19 8/13/10 - 8/15/10

[no rose colored glasses]

I really don't think she walked out the door with Kyron or waited for Kyron. It was too risky for her to do. I know I am being ignored, lol, but I think he was smuggled out. Well unless you skipped my posting earlier you understand my theory, today's theory anyway.

The only way is if it was very well planned...just like real life CSI junkies think.  And I believe the adults in this family were way too into CSI and WOW...so sad...

If you don't mind, please, I'd like to know "why" you believe the adults were way too into CSI.
I watch every CSI that comes out; original, Miami, New York and Los Angeles.  I love them because you get to try to "figure out" stuff.  It's just like trying to figure out what happened to Kyron or Natalee.

You know....PUZZLER....

I not only watch all of those CSI shows, throw in Dexter, Bones, Criminal Minds and NCIS, and never once did I look at the shows to get ideas on how to commit a crime. Most people watch because it is entertainment.

[BabsKats]

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/03/one_dead_in_officer-involved_s_10.html

For someone who moved from the East coast to find some peace and quiet, seems Andrea has had her share of drama and media attention.

[Grey]

If you were innocent...the whole world would know exactly what you had done and when you had done it...IMHO...because innocence and the truth is a lot easier to maintain then a lie.

It's true...what you said earlier...we're only being given bits and pieces.  We are being structured into thinking they way they want us to think.  I don't think that's good.  We don't know at this point if Terri has told everything or not.  We do know that they point to her as being the suspect (and more often than not, I thinks she's culpable, too); however, if I were Terri and had been told to keep quiet by my husband (and I did) and then it became obvious that the finger was being pointed at me by LE (LDT questions) about a little boy going missing, I would get me the best attorney I could and I would follow his instructions (of which I feel assured the attorney would not want her or her relatives to say one word).  If Terri's guilty, that's the best advise she can get and should follow it.  If Terri's not guilty, then NO ONE is looking for Kyron in any other direction!  THAT is so frustrating!

Surely LE has looked into other options beyond Terri. They have probably interviewed many people (and children) at the school, in the local area, and people who often drive through the area. Weren't there photos and news reports about this in the beginning as well as references to checking out known sex offenders in the area? Sorry, I don't have a bunch of links for clarification of this info.

Terri's inconsistencies don't help with the investigation. We have no idea what info LE is holding, but it must be enough to seriously focus on Terri.

[Puzzler]

The reason I am confused about the truck & dede is because about at the half way point or a little past the halfway point in this video I will post the link below... It says DeDe was identified as the other person in this video. It makes it sound as though witness's said they saw DeDe at the school in the truck outside. It also makes it seem like there is another vehical.
  So if DeDe was outside with the baby or waiting there for Terri to bring out Kyron, it would make since for dede to take him not terri. I say this because if they planned this (and we know they did- both TERRI & DEDE ) wouldnt make since that If terri was the one who drove off with Kyron someone would notice and she needed an Alibi so she went to the store to be seen on the camera? dede prob never thought she would be drug into this.  The truck was seen where dede was working that day around 10-10-30.
 

What about this scenerio? DeDe or someone was waiting in the truck with Kiara while Terri was inside taking the photo of Kyron.

Then maybe Kyron says to Terri he'll meet her at the back door because he's not done looking at the fair stuff.  Terri walks out the front, gets in the truck, drives around back or the side and picks up Kyron.  People see Terri leave the front without Kyron but don't see her pick Kyron up at the other exit.  Kryon thinks he has a doctors appointment.

That seems like a very likely scenario, Klaas!

Good morning Monkeys! Sorry, still 7 pages behind.

The problem I'm having with this scenario is, why wouldn't Kyron have gone back to his classroom, which was right near the exit door, and get his backpack and coat before leaving? It was raining and cool outside.

Excellent point Sassifrass!  Wonder if for some reason Kyron thought Terri grabbed his backpack and jacket?

Yes, excellent point.  I've wondered many times why Kyron didn't get his backpack and coat before leaving.  I've also wondered why the teachers didn't think it odd that those items were on his desk when they thought he was gone and it was raining and cool outside.

That's why "sometimes" I just wonder if he wasn't snatched from the hallway into a room and moved later.

[Puzzler]

Excellent point Sassifrass!  Wonder if for some reason Kyron thought Terri grabbed his backpack and jacket?

I'm remembering that Kyron's friend said that Kyron said he was going to see another exhibit - that was [electronic?]. Anybody remember that? What if Terri told Kyron that she needed to check on the baby in the truck, and to meet her at point A, at which time she'd come back in and show him this one she had seen that was electronic. I just picture Terri luring him someplace with the promise of a super cool science exhibit. Maybe she even told him there were a few outside she had seen?

That is really good, maybe she did tell him there were some exhibits outside.

The groundskeeper did say he saw some kids come outside to look at a garden.

That's interesting...I hadn't noticed that remark before...

[Grey]

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/03/one_dead_in_officer-involved_s_10.html

For someone who moved from the East coast to find some peace and quiet, seems Andrea has had her share of drama and media attention.

 

You're right. She must be looking over her shoulder by now and making notes about her activities in a diary. Things come in threes, or so it is said, and the lady must be anxious, waiting for the next thing to interrupt her peace and quiet.

[cw618]

http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/03/one_dead_in_officer-involved_s_10.html

For someone who moved from the East coast to find some peace and quiet, seems Andrea has had her share of drama and media attention.

and experince with the GJ from same case pg 135
http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Jack-Collins-grand-jury-testimony.pdf

[melisb]

Does anyone besides me remember Blink stating way back in the beginning the answer to the question by a poster at BOC to where was Kiara during the science fair?  I can not put it word for word but B's answers was Kiara was with a friend/sitter something to that effect.  She didn't elaborate or bring it up again.  I'm gonna try and look for it.  Wish me luck.  If anyone else knows about where that was let me know before I drown myself in posts and prolly overlook it anyway!! lol!

[Bearlyhere]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would automatically assume you meant tomorrow if you said Next Friday and today was Thursday. I think that anyone would either ask for clarification or assume you meant the Friday after this one. Which is why imo she DIDN'T say "Next Friday".

It depends on the situation.  The teacher was at her job, working in what, I understand, was gym class.  She may be hard of hearing.  That does not make her not "in her right mind," and it is an insult to this teacher if in fact that is what was said.  Her mind was on her kids, not Terri, I hope.

That said, I often needed to give a teacher paperwork to fill out before we went to the Neurologist, therapist(s), developmental pediatrician, specialist(s), when my son was Kyron's age.  They want to see not only what the parent observes, but what those in school may observe, too.  Kyron was a child with special needs from what I can see, he needed glasses in order to participate in school.  He also seemed to be "blind" without them, according to his family.

If the teacher was given paperwork to fill out, it would be difficult to mistake the doctor's appointment, but that is just what I can get from the lack of info out there.  Teachers did it to me all the time, and almost never had the paperwork filled out.  I have not heard much from LE to know what the situation is.  Did this woman get paperwork, or not?  Did Kyron have an appointment?  Was Kiara home?  What store did Terri really go to? 

What did Secret Squirrel really do that day?  Tune in tomorrow for more Secret Squirrel, same Squirrely time, Same Squirrely channel.

 

No insult meant to the teacher. I should have clarified that I meant if she HEARD 'Next Friday" on the day before. If that's what she heard, and still assumed Terri meant the very next day, then I do think she's loopy rather unique. 

Fair enough.  Thanks for the clarification.

[no rose colored glasses]

Does anyone besides me remember Blink stating way back in the beginning the answer to the question by a poster at BOC to where was Kiara during the science fair?  I can not put it word for word but B's answers was Kiara was with a friend/sitter something to that effect.  She didn't elaborate or bring it up again.  I'm gonna try and look for it.  Wish me luck.  If anyone else knows about where that was let me know before I drown myself in posts and prolly overlook it anyway!! lol!

Sorry, I don't remember that.

[Scatty]

I'm not implying anything here even if it sounds like it, I'm just curious.
Did the groundskeeper know Terri from when she volunteered at the school? How well? Would he recognize her if he saw her from a distance?
And what about the LS who worked at the school? Blonde's comment about the GK needing help made me remember him. Was he affiliated with GK such as, did they work for same company?

[cw618]

I'm not implying anything here even if it sounds like it, I'm just curious.
Did the groundskeeper know Terri from when she volunteered at the school? How well? Would he recognize her if he saw her from a distance?
And what about the LS who worked at the school? Blonde's comment about the GK needing help made me remember him. Was he affiliated with GK such as, did they work for same company?

i think the GK at the school is a city employ, and since he cuts the soccer field on fridays
there is a pos that TH and GK know each other, since TH volunteers at the school, and
kyron played soccer last spring and i think fall

[Puzzler]

If you were innocent...the whole world would know exactly what you had done and when you had done it...IMHO...because innocence and the truth is a lot easier to maintain then a lie.

It's true...what you said earlier...we're only being given bits and pieces.  We are being structured into thinking they way they want us to think.  I don't think that's good.  We don't know at this point if Terri has told everything or not.  We do know that they point to her as being the suspect (and more often than not, I thinks she's culpable, too); however, if I were Terri and had been told to keep quiet by my husband (and I did) and then it became obvious that the finger was being pointed at me by LE (LDT questions) about a little boy going missing, I would get me the best attorney I could and I would follow his instructions (of which I feel assured the attorney would not want her or her relatives to say one word).  If Terri's guilty, that's the best advise she can get and should follow it.  If Terri's not guilty, then NO ONE is looking for Kyron in any other direction!  THAT is so frustrating!

Surely LE has looked into other options beyond Terri. They have probably interviewed many people (and children) at the school, in the local area, and people who often drive through the area. Weren't there photos and news reports about this in the beginning as well as references to checking out known sex offenders in the area? Sorry, I don't have a bunch of links for clarification of this info.

Terri's inconsistencies don't help with the investigation. We have no idea what info LE is holding, but it must be enough to seriously focus on Terri.

Most of the time I, too, think that LE must have enough on Terri to make them be so pointed toward her; they know more than we know.  I think I got really depressed over the last presser, when IMO LE came out with questions to the public that should have come out in the first week of this case.  It was stunning!  To me, it hit home that the police are either "behind" in this case or just don't have enough evidence to solidly support their beliefs. To be fair, maybe this jurisdiction has not had much experience in handling these types of cases;   BUT...the FBI has a lot of experience and it's our understanding from LE that the FBI is involved (besides we know the the FBI is involved in kidnapping cases).

[Blonde]

GOT IT

Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman    Reported by: Carly Kennelly
Email: ckennelly@koin.com
Last Update: 10:48 am
         

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Andrea Leckey spoke to KOIN Local 6 about Terri Horman and the grand jury investigation. (KOIN)
A woman who spoke with Terri Horman the day Kyron disappeared shared her story with the Multnomah County grand jury last week, calling part of the encounter "odd."

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."


Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

"Did she seem different? Did she seem out of the ordinary? I can't say that she seemed any different to me than any other day," said Leckey.

Only six or seven hours after their meeting in the store, Kyron was initially reported missing to police.

Leckey, a mother herself who now works at a different gym location, said she has sympathy for what Kyron's parents are going through.

And despite noting that it was obvious Horman has acted deceitful in the time following Kyron's disappearance, Leckey said that doesn't necessarily mean she harmed Kyron in any way.

"Only (Terri) knows the truth about what happened that day," she said.

Wednesday press conference: Investigators seek witnesses on day of Kyron's disappearance.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx
More: Landscaper in alleged murder-for-hire plot appears before grand jury

[no rose colored glasses]

I'm not implying anything here even if it sounds like it, I'm just curious.
Did the groundskeeper know Terri from when she volunteered at the school? How well? Would he recognize her if he saw her from a distance?
And what about the LS who worked at the school? Blonde's comment about the GK needing help made me remember him. Was he affiliated with GK such as, did they work for same company?

I could be wrong but I'm guessing the groundskeeper probably works for the city and does work at different schools? He may have seen Terri at the school before.

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks Blonde 

[klaasend]

I'm not implying anything here even if it sounds like it, I'm just curious.
Did the groundskeeper know Terri from when she volunteered at the school? How well? Would he recognize her if he saw her from a distance?
And what about the LS who worked at the school? Blonde's comment about the GK needing help made me remember him. Was he affiliated with GK such as, did they work for same company?

I don't know.  What I do know is that he wasn't employed by the school, he was employed by the City of Portland so likely went all over the place mowing the lawns.  I doubt he was actually a groundskeeper per se.

[Puzzler]

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Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman    Reported by: Carly Kennelly
Email: ckennelly@koin.com
Last Update: 10:48 am
         

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Andrea Leckey spoke to KOIN Local 6 about Terri Horman and the grand jury investigation. (KOIN)
A woman who spoke with Terri Horman the day Kyron disappeared shared her story with the Multnomah County grand jury last week, calling part of the encounter "odd."

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."


Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

"Did she seem different? Did she seem out of the ordinary? I can't say that she seemed any different to me than any other day," said Leckey.

Only six or seven hours after their meeting in the store, Kyron was initially reported missing to police.

Leckey, a mother herself who now works at a different gym location, said she has sympathy for what Kyron's parents are going through.

And despite noting that it was obvious Horman has acted deceitful in the time following Kyron's disappearance, Leckey said that doesn't necessarily mean she harmed Kyron in any way.

"Only (Terri) knows the truth about what happened that day," she said.

Wednesday press conference: Investigators seek witnesses on day of Kyron's disappearance.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx
More: Landscaper in alleged murder-for-hire plot appears before grand jury

Blonde...thank you!  Well...that settles one of the BIG questions we've all been asking.

[Scatty]

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Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman    Reported by: Carly Kennelly
Email: ckennelly@koin.com
Last Update: 10:48 am
         

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Andrea Leckey spoke to KOIN Local 6 about Terri Horman and the grand jury investigation. (KOIN)
A woman who spoke with Terri Horman the day Kyron disappeared shared her story with the Multnomah County grand jury last week, calling part of the encounter "odd."

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."


Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

"Did she seem different? Did she seem out of the ordinary? I can't say that she seemed any different to me than any other day," said Leckey.

Only six or seven hours after their meeting in the store, Kyron was initially reported missing to police.

Leckey, a mother herself who now works at a different gym location, said she has sympathy for what Kyron's parents are going through.

And despite noting that it was obvious Horman has acted deceitful in the time following Kyron's disappearance, Leckey said that doesn't necessarily mean she harmed Kyron in any way.

"Only (Terri) knows the truth about what happened that day," she said.

Wednesday press conference: Investigators seek witnesses on day of Kyron's disappearance.
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx
More: Landscaper in alleged murder-for-hire plot appears before grand jury

Great catch Blonde! 

[cw618]

no rose
I not only watch all of those CSI shows, throw in Dexter, Bones, Criminal Minds and NCIS, and never once did I look at the shows to get ideas on how to commit a crime. Most people watch because it is entertainment.

then all the people that want to blame their crimes on tv,vid ect.
then no one wants to consider, that the make up of these people
is sick in some way, thats why they cant fig it out that it is entertainment
seems simple to me TV = entertainment