Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #19 8/13/10 - 8/15/10

[Tracygirl]

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

[Scandi]

Welcome Leah!

Klaas, Could you post your email address again?  Thanks   

[Tracygirl]

I am for the first time ever, one of the first monks in the clean cage, lol.

Thanks Klaasend.

Does anyone have any thoughts on why a Guardian Ad Litem has not been assigned for Kyron?

Ouch! God the cage door slammed on my tail!

 

Not sure why he would need a guardian ad litem. Kaine and Desiree are still his legal guardians, and there is no legal action pending... that I know of.

He may later on need one, my opinion only.

I agree. A Guardian as Litem is typically used in custodial cases where one parent is accusing the other parent of improper parenting. With Kyron, although KH & DY are throwing accusations out there about TH, she is not a legal parent to Kyron.

On the other side of the coin, I'm not sure why one was not appointed for Kiara.

Yea good point.

[no rose colored glasses]

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

Great points. Why didn't DeDe just stay home that day? I agree, if these two are responsible they are really dumb criminals. And yes, why would you go to a parking lot with cameras? 

[Grey]

Hello Everyone and Thank you very much Klaas for approving me 
I live in London , but learned about Kyron while on a holiday in US and have been reading here ever since.His always smiling face captured my heart and i pray he is found alive very soon ! So thank you all again for the useful information and thoughts you provide every day and once again i am excited to be here !

Welcome, Leah.

*tosses a banana and a glass of wine to Leah*

 

[seahorse]

Hello Everyone and Thank you very much Klaas for approving me 
I live in London , but learned about Kyron while on a holiday in US and have been reading here ever since.His always smiling face captured my heart and i pray he is found alive very soon ! So thank you all again for the useful information and thoughts you provide every day and once again i am excited to be here !

WELCOME    Cool avatar.

Ello leahlvo7,

Welcome aboard. 

[Grey]

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

Great points. Why didn't DeDe just stay home that day? I agree, if these two are responsible they are really dumb criminals. And yes, why would you go to a parking lot with cameras? 

It doesn't make sense, but Terri was not honest in her initial discussions with LE, and she was focused on herself, not Kyron. Then she hired a criminal defense lawyer and shut up instead of cooperating with LE. I don't have a problem with anyone hiring a lawyer in this situation because it is good to have their counsel, but I do have a problem when someone hires a lawyer and refuses to talk with LE.

If DeDe is involved and decided to stay home that day, it would have been a red flag. Sneaking away from work on a 40-acre property would have less risk.

If Terri is not involved, she has certainly caused a lot of problems and distractions for LE by not being forthright. I don't know if DeDe is cooperating as best she can or not.

I agree that if either or both are responsible, there have been some really dumb moves. The purchase of throwaway phones is jaw-dropping.

[amom2]

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

Great points. Why didn't DeDe just stay home that day? I agree, if these two are responsible they are really dumb criminals. And yes, why would you go to a parking lot with cameras? 

I think it's more than that - I think it's that, plus buying the phones with a fake name (the same day Kyron went missing??) The only reason to do that is to circumvent LE, and in such a serious situation, as a child missing, that is a HUGE no-no.

[sassifrass]

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

Great points. Why didn't DeDe just stay home that day? I agree, if these two are responsible they are really dumb criminals. And yes, why would you go to a parking lot with cameras? 

Perhaps they were making sure DY didn't show up to the exhibition because if she did, the plan would have been foiled.

[seahorse]

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

Great points. Why didn't DeDe just stay home that day? I agree, if these two are responsible they are really dumb criminals. And yes, why would you go to a parking lot with cameras? 

I think it's more than that - I think it's that, plus buying the phones with a fake name (the same day Kyron went missing??) The only reason to do that is to circumvent LE, and in such a serious situation, as a child missing, that is a HUGE no-no.

amom2,

Were the phones purchased before or after Kyron went missing?  Thank-you!

[txlisa]

Good day monkeys!

I have complete faith that LE is on the right track and that Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance.  If I am wrong I will eat crow, but all the things she has done add up to her being complicit.  I still wonder why she won't fight to see Kiara?  Is it because she would have to answer a few questions first?

[sassifrass]

Hello Everyone and Thank you very much Klaas for approving me 
I live in London , but learned about Kyron while on a holiday in US and have been reading here ever since.His always smiling face captured my heart and i pray he is found alive very soon ! So thank you all again for the useful information and thoughts you provide every day and once again i am excited to be here !

Welcome, Leah.

*tosses a banana and a glass of wine to Leah*

 

Did ya run out of that whiskey Grey? 

[Grey]

Hello Everyone and Thank you very much Klaas for approving me 
I live in London , but learned about Kyron while on a holiday in US and have been reading here ever since.His always smiling face captured my heart and i pray he is found alive very soon ! So thank you all again for the useful information and thoughts you provide every day and once again i am excited to be here !

Welcome, Leah.

*tosses a banana and a glass of wine to Leah*

 

Did ya run out of that whiskey Grey? 

*hic*

[amom2]

amom2,

Were the phones purchased before or after Kyron went missing?  Thank-you!

As I understood it, they were purchased same day he went missing, after he went missing.

[hellokitty]

 

First we had Terri say that she left Kyron at school at 8:45 and watched him walk down the hall (even though she says he had starting having issues of being in some kind of daze; and the environment was chaotic and unorganized.  Whatever, loving mother)


Then she says in her email she left at 9.  So which is it?  If it was 9, what was she doing for 15 minutes in that school or grounds?

[Scatty]

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

Great points. Why didn't DeDe just stay home that day? I agree, if these two are responsible they are really dumb criminals. And yes, why would you go to a parking lot with cameras? 

It doesn't make sense, but Terri was not honest in her initial discussions with LE, and she was focused on herself, not Kyron. Then she hired a criminal defense lawyer and shut up instead of cooperating with LE. I don't have a problem with anyone hiring a lawyer in this situation because it is good to have their counsel, but I do have a problem when someone hires a lawyer and refuses to talk with LE.

If DeDe is involved and decided to stay home that day, it would have been a red flag. Sneaking away from work on a 40-acre property would have less risk.

If Terri is not involved, she has certainly caused a lot of problems and distractions for LE by not being forthright. I don't know if DeDe is cooperating as best she can or not.

I agree that if either or both are responsible, there have been some really dumb moves. The purchase of throwaway phones is jaw-dropping.

TH also told so many different versions of her doings on the 4th. Why? Liars have to keep changing their story as each new part of their original tale gets discredited. Why the lies?

[Tracygirl]

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

Great points. Why didn't DeDe just stay home that day? I agree, if these two are responsible they are really dumb criminals. And yes, why would you go to a parking lot with cameras? 

It doesn't make sense, but Terri was not honest in her initial discussions with LE, and she was focused on herself, not Kyron. Then she hired a criminal defense lawyer and shut up instead of cooperating with LE. I don't have a problem with anyone hiring a lawyer in this situation because it is good to have their counsel, but I do have a problem when someone hires a lawyer and refuses to talk with LE.

If DeDe is involved and decided to stay home that day, it would have been a red flag. Sneaking away from work on a 40-acre property would have less risk.

If Terri is not involved, she has certainly caused a lot of problems and distractions for LE by not being forthright. I don't know if DeDe is cooperating as best she can or not.

I agree that if either or both are responsible, there have been some really dumb moves. The purchase of throwaway phones is jaw-dropping.

I don't think this happened the way we are considering. I don't believe Terri left with Kyron, I am considering someone helped her get him out of the school.

I disagree with you about DeDe, I think her being somewhere that was around other people was more of a risk then saying she was home, sick. It is not against the law to be sick or alone in a condo where you live alone. a person doesn't always have to have a witness to their whereabouts. But maybe she thought well if I am at work on a 40 acre farm and I leave my phone in my car and leave my car there, I can say I was busy and not around other people. However, she left for 3 hours! She also choose a farm not that far away from the horman house which much to her downfall at the moment has put her in the direct area of the crime. Could be since she was so close she walked to the horman house and Terri picked her up from there? But I honestly think if this was planned, Terri and Dede would not have been together that day. I also believe Terri left Kyron and someone else took over. Who? I am not sure, but I think someone who could be at the school without being noticed or stand out.
I think there is a 3rd person that helped to get Kyron from the school to where ever they took him. I think he was hidden in something and taken out, he didn't walk out.

Just my opinion as of 1:54 PM on August 13th, 2010. I reserve the right to change my mind, lol.

[Tracygirl]

First we had Terri say that she left Kyron at school at 8:45 and watched him walk down the hall (even though she says he had starting having issues of being in some kind of daze; and the environment was chaotic and unorganized.  Whatever, loving mother)


Then she says in her email she left at 9.  So which is it?  If it was 9, what was she doing for 15 minutes in that school or grounds?

Maybe she was waiting to see if another car left? That way there would be no need to communicate, she would know the plan worked and Kyron was taken out of the school and the plan was set in motion. Terri would go to certain places to create an alibi, DeDe would be at work and then if she left, then she left and did her side of the the plan, whatever that was.

The truck was taken on the 3rd for whatever reason maybe that reason was not a dry run but a run that didn't work for whatever reason and "take 2" was on Friday.

[Tracygirl]

amom2,

Were the phones purchased before or after Kyron went missing?  Thank-you!

As I understood it, they were purchased same day he went missing, after he went missing.

I don't think this has ever completely been varified, am I wrong? Can someone please post who said this and when? TIA

[Tracygirl]

Interesting question blink...

So DeDe is on a 40 acre farm, doesnt have her phone with her, it was left in her car. She began working at what time? The last time she was seen on the farm was around 10 and then again at 1. LE has to have more then this because I am sure about 10,000 other people in Oregon are also unaccounted for between the hours of 10-1.

Thanks to who posted the pics...I have seen them before and that door to the mechanical room freaks me out everytime. I still say it is possible that Kyron was tied up and taken out via a container and either taken out of the school or placed somewhere and possibly picked up by someone. Now who could have done that? I suppose that is the question of the day.

If Terri and DeDe planned this they really did a horrible job. Terri risked everything if she took Kyron out of that school. Anyone at anytime could have seen her. Anyone at any time could have noticed Kyron was missing. Given the grass was being mowed, put someone right outside where she would be. There was also so many people coming and going, anyone could have seen her. Then rather then rural street to do a swap it is being assumed that it happened in a parking lot with camera's? Then Dede, leaves work when at any moment someone could have noticed she was not around. Why didn't she just stay home that day, pretend she was sick? She could have left to meet Terri and not have worried about it? If this was their plan, it was not a very good one, considering they may have spent time on this. Remember that show, The worlds dumbest criminals? Well these two if responsible need to be on the next episode.

Honestly this all makes me want to reconsider thinking she is responsible. 

 

Great points. Why didn't DeDe just stay home that day? I agree, if these two are responsible they are really dumb criminals. And yes, why would you go to a parking lot with cameras? 

It doesn't make sense, but Terri was not honest in her initial discussions with LE, and she was focused on herself, not Kyron. Then she hired a criminal defense lawyer and shut up instead of cooperating with LE. I don't have a problem with anyone hiring a lawyer in this situation because it is good to have their counsel, but I do have a problem when someone hires a lawyer and refuses to talk with LE.

If DeDe is involved and decided to stay home that day, it would have been a red flag. Sneaking away from work on a 40-acre property would have less risk.

If Terri is not involved, she has certainly caused a lot of problems and distractions for LE by not being forthright. I don't know if DeDe is cooperating as best she can or not.

I agree that if either or both are responsible, there have been some really dumb moves. The purchase of throwaway phones is jaw-dropping.

TH also told so many different versions of her doings on the 4th. Why? Liars have to keep changing their story as each new part of their original tale gets discredited. Why the lies?

Scatty would you mind posting the different stories and time lines? I am drawing a blank. I know we read a supposed email from Terri stating she left the school at 9, did the other time lines come from Terri directly or from LE? I think it would be interesting to directly compair the different stories