Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #21 8/17/10 - 8/19/10

[klaasend]

Please forgive me if this has already been discussed thoroughly here, but have the two Sanchez landscapers been investigated here?  I imagine that it would be tough to obtain much info, if any, of anybody who is an illegal alien.  But it seems to me that there could be something fishy about them.

Is there a link to a thread where I can read and catch up on what might have already been discussed here?

Thanks!

When the MFH story and the landscaper first hit the news we did discuss it in the normal thread.  There was not a separate thread for him.  I think at the time so much was coming out we didn't think to do a thread.  We did see and talk about Blink's post regarding the landscaper.  I read last week the LS was being interviewed by the grand jury.  I'd love to know how that went.

[Tamikosmom]

<snipped>

Now, let's get to the important question...when do I get my salmon fillet??   

 

Today Hubby, grandsons and son-in-law are out on that ocean at the mouth of the Fraser River ... determined to catch their limit.

This weekend we are having a family gathering at our home and ... salmon is on the menu.  All Monkeys are invited and ... will be considered guests of honor.

Janet
 

Thank-you, Janet!

Do we have permission to dance on the tables?   

As long as I am not expected to climb up on that table with ya.



seahorse - Tamikosmom's Party 2010



 

 

[nicubird]

It's beginning to sound like a catty henfest in here.

I think people wanted Jason to answer questions, and he did some. I personally see no reason to bring up DeDe's lack of exercise and overeating, and her being on unemployment. Many people have weight issues, and gain and lose weight becomes a big part of life. And it certainly shouldn't take away from the person themselves, and that was the feeling I got, and didn't like 

On the other hand, since he's giving us his take on things, which is what we wanted, maybe criricizing him for what he says might work against us. That's JMO and I don't want anyone to think I'm telling them what to do. But I just mean why would he share more if his words just lead to  more criticism? It could be very inhibiting.

I just think it isn't the nicest thing to say about an ex girlfriend. I don't care if he tells us about what she is like, but one doesn't have to be rude while doing it, imo.

Hi NoRose & Monkeys,

He has told the whole world  that she is fat & lazy (not in so many words) and that stinks.

Seahorse, IMO that really isn't a fair assessment of how he answered the question that we asked him. He used non-emotional objective statements to indicate some of the changes that occurred during the few months that he knew her. He told us she had put on weight and that her activity level decreased (among other details). Not once did he use derogatory words. He also took the time to sing DeDe's paraises. I know, I know...one sided information and DeDe is not here to present her side of the story. Well, he is only one person, as imperfect as the rest of us. He can only tell one side of the story. If I were him I would bug out now. We may have a reputation of being kind to each other, but somehow we are having difficulty translating that kindness and benefit of the doubt to him. IMO he has been very even handed in his description of his relationship with DeDe.

OK...throw your nanners at me now 

[sebastian]

I have a big problem with Jason and therefore will not be asking him any questions. Jason INSERTED HIMSELF into this case and is now trying to tell us monkeys not to look into his family? Uh huh. I also have a problem with people who constantly contradict themselves. His posts are riddled with contradictions. It bugs me to no end when people say unkind things and then start banging on the old Bible. I think it was clear that he did not like DeDe's weight gain but it was also IMPLIED in my opinion, that she was not overweight when he met DeDe. I don't think he wants the public to think that he was involved with the overweight DeDe that we are seeing now. I have really big concerns with Jason working with children. I will not elaborate as I think other monkeys are thinking that same thing and I don't want to get too pointed.

I think DeDe and Terri's bond became really strong within the last year. I think DeDe came out of the relationship with Jason mad as hell at men. I think Terri has been slinging mud about Kaine for a while to those that would listen. I truly think that these two stashed Kyron as a way to get back at Kaine. I think that originally there may have been a ransom plan. Terri could make money while getting back at Kaine. Terri and DeDe could have killed two birds with one stone. They could have put terror into Kaine and hit his wallet at the same time. I am sure that BOTH Terri and DeDe could use the money. I wonder if a ranson note was left on June 4th, or if a ransom note was something these two were planning for later. I think it blew them both away that LE and Tony and Desiree were on the scene so fast. I think their plan has spiralled out of control and they have no idea how to make the rabbit re-appear out of the hat. I just hope that Kyron is still alive and well.

[Justamama]

I come from another land,(another board).  Today I have taken the time to read and read through so many posts and threads on here that I'm dizzy but I HAVE to post this...

Seriously you all need to pat yourselves on the back.  There are other places on the internet where Kyron's case is being discussed and the discussion has gone to such depths of depravity that I no longer wanted to be associated with it.

I'm no  myself but WOW really the level of respect and ability to bite your tongue on here shows so much about all of you I'm just so impressed.

I looked through all the different threads and didn't find an appropriate place to post this really, so I posted it here.  Hope you don't mind.

Most respectfully,
Justamama

[Tamikosmom]

Please forgive me if this has already been discussed thoroughly here, but have the two Sanchez landscapers been investigated here?  I imagine that it would be tough to obtain much info, if any, of anybody who is an illegal alien.  But it seems to me that there could be something fishy about them.

Is there a link to a thread where I can read and catch up on what might have already been discussed here?

Thanks!

When the MFH story and the landscaper first hit the news we did discuss it in the normal thread.  There was not a separate thread for him.  I think at the time so much was coming out we didn't think to do a thread.  We did see and talk about Blink's post regarding the landscaper.  I read last week the LS was being interviewed by the grand jury.  I'd love to know how that went.

Klaas

I have compiled some of the MFH "credible sources" articles as well as some quotes from Desiree and Kaine.

Would you like me to post them to a separate thread?  Maybe others could contribute.

I am off for the day but ... I am willing to do it tonight.

Janet
11:40 AM PT

[no rose colored glasses]

I have a big problem with Jason and therefore will not be asking him any questions. Jason INSERTED HIMSELF into this case and is now trying to tell us monkeys not to look into his family? Uh huh. I also have a problem with people who constantly contradict themselves. His posts are riddled with contradictions. It bugs me to no end when people say unkind things and then start banging on the old Bible. I think it was clear that he did not like DeDe's weight gain but it was also IMPLIED in my opinion, that she was not overweight when he met DeDe. I don't think he wants the public to think that he was involved with the overweight DeDe that we are seeing now. I have really big concerns with Jason working with children. I will not elaborate as I think other monkeys are thinking that same thing and I don't want to get too pointed.

I think DeDe and Terri's bond became really strong within the last year. I think DeDe came out of the relationship with Jason mad as hell at men. I think Terri has been slinging mud about Kaine for a while to those that would listen. I truly think that these two stashed Kyron as a way to get back at Kaine. I think that originally there may have been a ransom plan. Terri could make money while getting back at Kaine. Terri and DeDe could have killed two birds with one stone. They could have put terror into Kaine and hit his wallet at the same time. I am sure that BOTH Terri and DeDe could use the money. I wonder if a ranson note was left on June 4th, or if a ransom note was something these two were planning for later. I think it blew them both away that LE and Tony and Desiree were on the scene so fast. I think their plan has spiralled out of control and they have no idea how to make the rabbit re-appear out of the hat. I just hope that Kyron is still alive and well.

Everything pretty much what I've been thinking.

[no rose colored glasses]

I come from another land,(another board).  Today I have taken the time to read and read through so many posts and threads on here that I'm dizzy but I HAVE to post this...

Seriously you all need to pat yourselves on the back.  There are other places on the internet where Kyron's case is being discussed and the discussion has gone to such depths of depravity that I no longer wanted to be associated with it.

I'm no  myself but WOW really the level of respect and ability to bite your tongue on here shows so much about all of you I'm just so impressed.

I looked through all the different threads and didn't find an appropriate place to post this really, so I posted it here.  Hope you don't mind.

Most respectfully,
Justamama

[seahorse]

<snipped>

Now, let's get to the important question...when do I get my salmon fillet??   

 

LOL
Today Hubby, grandsons and son-in-law are out on that ocean at the mouth of the Fraser River ... determined to catch their limit.

This weekend we are having a family gathering at our home and ... salmon is on the menu.  All Monkeys are invited and ... will be considered guests of honor.

Janet
 

Thank-you, Janet!

Do we have permission to dance on the tables?   

As long as I am not expected to climb up on that table with ya.



seahorse - Tamikosmom's Party 2010



 

 

[klaasend]

Please forgive me if this has already been discussed thoroughly here, but have the two Sanchez landscapers been investigated here?  I imagine that it would be tough to obtain much info, if any, of anybody who is an illegal alien.  But it seems to me that there could be something fishy about them.

Is there a link to a thread where I can read and catch up on what might have already been discussed here?

Thanks!

When the MFH story and the landscaper first hit the news we did discuss it in the normal thread.  There was not a separate thread for him.  I think at the time so much was coming out we didn't think to do a thread.  We did see and talk about Blink's post regarding the landscaper.  I read last week the LS was being interviewed by the grand jury.  I'd love to know how that went.

Klaas

I have compiled some of the MFH "credible sources" articles as well as some quotes from Desiree and Kaine.

Would you like me to post them to a separate thread?  Maybe others could contribute.

I am off for the day but ... I am willing to do it tonight.

Janet
11:40 AM PT

Sure Janet - start a MFH thread!

[zinnia]

I come from another land,(another board).  Today I have taken the time to read and read through so many posts and threads on here that I'm dizzy but I HAVE to post this...

Seriously you all need to pat yourselves on the back.  There are other places on the internet where Kyron's case is being discussed and the discussion has gone to such depths of depravity that I no longer wanted to be associated with it.

I'm no  myself but WOW really the level of respect and ability to bite your tongue on here shows so much about all of you I'm just so impressed.

I looked through all the different threads and didn't find an appropriate place to post this really, so I posted it here.  Hope you don't mind.

Most respectfully,
Justamama

Justamama,  you have just expressed one of the exact reasons why I have chosen to be here and not a part of many of the other boards out there.  I am glad to have been accepted by such a nice and talented group!

[seahorse]

<snipped>

Now, let's get to the important question...when do I get my salmon fillet??   

 

LOL
Today Hubby, grandsons and son-in-law are out on that ocean at the mouth of the Fraser River ... determined to catch their limit.

This weekend we are having a family gathering at our home and ... salmon is on the menu.  All Monkeys are invited and ... will be considered guests of honor.

Janet
 

Thank-you, Janet!

Do we have permission to dance on the tables?   

As long as I am not expected to climb up on that table with ya.



seahorse - Tamikosmom's Party 2010



 

 

Ola Lay 

[seahorse]

It's beginning to sound like a catty henfest in here.

I think people wanted Jason to answer questions, and he did some. I personally see no reason to bring up DeDe's lack of exercise and overeating, and her being on unemployment. Many people have weight issues, and gain and lose weight becomes a big part of life. And it certainly shouldn't take away from the person themselves, and that was the feeling I got, and didn't like 

On the other hand, since he's giving us his take on things, which is what we wanted, maybe criricizing him for what he says might work against us. That's JMO and I don't want anyone to think I'm telling them what to do. But I just mean why would he share more if his words just lead to  more criticism? It could be very inhibiting.

I just think it isn't the nicest thing to say about an ex girlfriend. I don't care if he tells us about what she is like, but one doesn't have to be rude while doing it, imo.

Hi NoRose & Monkeys,

He has told the whole world  that she is fat & lazy (not in so many words) and that stinks.

Seahorse, IMO that really isn't a fair assessment of how he answered the question that we asked him. He used non-emotional objective statements to indicate some of the changes that occurred during the few months that he knew her. He told us she had put on weight and that her activity level decreased (among other details). Not once did he use derogatory words. He also took the time to sing DeDe's paraises. I know, I know...one sided information and DeDe is not here to present her side of the story. Well, he is only one person, as imperfect as the rest of us. He can only tell one side of the story. If I were him I would bug out now. We may have a reputation of being kind to each other, but somehow we are having difficulty translating that kindness and benefit of the doubt to him. IMO he has been very even handed in his description of his relationship with DeDe.

OK...throw your nanners at me now 

nicubird,

Thank-you for taking the time to walk me through your thoughts and opinions.

You do have an excellent point.    It isn't like he said  she drank my beer, ate all my chocolate and slept all day.   I am sure he could have said worst. 

[zinnia]

One thing I do see as relevant in terms of what Jason has shared (please forgive me if this has already been discussed.  I have not read all of the posts made by posters in the Jason thread) is that he said that DD told him that he would be the last man she got involved with if it didn't work out between the two of them.  Maybe I am coming out of left field, but I have had suspicions about whether DD and TH had a sexual relationship or maybe there was some sort of love or infatuation going on between the two of them.  Maybe it could have been one sided infatuation by DD for Terri, I have no idea.  But we have definitely seen that Terri has shown to be manipulative and inappropriate sexually with at least one person, Michael Cook.  If DD had feelings for Terri, she could feel protective of her and could act in inappropriate ways to try to protect her.  When someone feels blinded by love, they can do things that are totally out of character.

Excellent point!

O/T Zinnia - when I see your name I think of this 

Thank you, Klassend! 

I love the photo you posted.  The reason I love zinnias is because they are hearty flowers that can bloom and thrive in harsh conditions.  They come in many diverse and beautiful varieties, and if you cut them back, they tend to grow back stronger.  If I can apply that to my own life and to the way I view the vast and beautiful varieties of people in our world, then I think I am doing alright. 
 

[nicubird]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/08/dede-spicher-to-people-magazine-part-2.html

Seamus O'Reilly presents another statement analysis on part 2 of the People article.

[Curly]

It's beginning to sound like a catty henfest in here.

I think people wanted Jason to answer questions, and he did some. I personally see no reason to bring up DeDe's lack of exercise and overeating, and her being on unemployment. Many people have weight issues, and gain and lose weight becomes a big part of life. And it certainly shouldn't take away from the person themselves, and that was the feeling I got, and didn't like 

I'm with you, No Rose. As fara as unemployment~you actually have to work to be entitled to it so I do not begrudge anyone who uses it when it's needed. We pay for it every week out of our paychecks.

  Is Jason trying to lure her to SM?    I am offended, too, how he portrays Hefty-people.
 I want to see his family members!

BBM Not exactly true. The employer has to pay a large amount compared to anything the employee pays. And the more people you have on or have had on unemployment the higher the percentage of your gross sales you pay. So, while we do not mind paying people when they deserve it, most of the time we will fight the award because the employees (in our case) are not entitled to it.

Sorry...I'm for the little guy ALWAYS. Do not care about who pays how much. If it comes out of my paycheck, it says to me that I'M paying for it and am Entitled to it. If I have to fight against greedy employers I do, and so far, have always won.

[amom2]

Just finished reading the Jason thread, and just wanted to put in my 2 cents. Jason seems like a really decent guy. His reasons for not continuing in a relationship with DeDe don't bother me one bit. I've heard you should keep both eyes wide open before you get married, and half shut after. If you feel someone is not who you thought they were, and you don't feel you can live with the person they have now become, I don't see what is wrong with breaking it off. It seems the weight issue was part of the whole picture. The thing that really struck me that gave some insight into DeDe was the demanding way with the planter boxes. He sees himself working hard through difficult times when work is hard to come by, and DeDe collecting unemployment, demanding something of someone putting in 15 hour days. She threatens to finish the job herself? Threatens? I'd have said "Have at it."

Anyhow, this seems like a really decent guy, offering us some insight into the DeDe picture.

[seahorse]

Dear Monkey's,

Does anyone know anything about Satellites?

Would a Satellite see through trees?  If SM parked under a canopy of trees, would a Satelllite be able to detect her car?

A few years back, a Culprit, hid under trees in the forest, to avoid detection. Helicopter Infra rays couldn't see him for the trees.

The rays must bounce off the wood?


TIA

[no rose colored glasses]

Just finished reading the Jason thread, and just wanted to put in my 2 cents. Jason seems like a really decent guy. His reasons for not continuing in a relationship with DeDe don't bother me one bit. I've heard you should keep both eyes wide open before you get married, and half shut after. If you feel someone is not who you thought they were, and you don't feel you can live with the person they have now become, I don't see what is wrong with breaking it off. It seems the weight issue was part of the whole picture. The thing that really struck me that gave some insight into DeDe was the demanding way with the planter boxes. He sees himself working hard through difficult times when work is hard to come by, and DeDe collecting unemployment, demanding something of someone putting in 15 hour days. She threatens to finish the job herself? Threatens? I'd have said "Have at it."

Anyhow, this seems like a really decent guy, offering us some insight into the DeDe picture.

I've heard you should keep both eyes wide open before you get married, and half shut after.    I have never heard that statement before, how true.

[no rose colored glasses]

Dear Monkey's,

Does anyone know anything about Satellites?

Would a Satellite see through trees?  If SM parked under a canopy of trees, would a Satelllite be able to detect her car?

A few years back, a Culprit, hid under trees in the forest, to avoid detection. Helicopter Infra rays couldn't see him for the trees.

The rays must bounce off the wood?


TIA

Sorry seahorse, I sure don't.