Lively Case Discussion #582 2/10 - 2/15/2007

[justinsmama]

Yes, Klaas, that is what I was referring to (though not very clearly).

[justinsmama]

Other than having been with the Twittys at the Sloot's that early morning, what else do we know about Claudio Eldridge? Age, occupation, his reason for being there and involved in the initial search for Joran?

[klaasend]

Other than having been with the Twittys at the Sloot's that early morning, what else do we know about Claudio Eldridge? Age, occupation, his reason for being there and involved in the initial search for Joran?

I'll have to do some research, but I believe Claudio worked at the airport and assisted Charles Croes and the family locate the VDS residence and Joran that night.  I could be wrong..will search now.

[Leslie]

If that evidence is good enough to deny PVDS financial compensation, why wasn't it good enough to keep Paul and Joran in jail?   The judges could have been looking for any excuse to deny PVDS his greedy moneygrab but they have also stated an opinion on the validity of these witnesses recollections.

[LilPuma]

FYI - MF at FOB has posted what he is calling a threatening email from a known Monkey.  I will not post the email here.  

I want to point out the MF and many at FOB and RU call ANYONE that supports the family and believes the prime suspect JVDS is guilty a MONKEY.  I have seen numerous quotes attributed to MONKEYS that I know for a fact were said by non monkeys.

I've seen that on the AOL--Holloway board also.  In fact, people who copy articles from the FP are insulted for bringing things over from the "Chimps" or "Chimp site" and various references to Monkeys.  I've read at RU, but never even clicked myself into FOB.  Don't think I'll start today.  

[Leslie]

I "borrowed" a copy of the translation of the article from RU.  I am sure they won't mind:

arubagirl Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm  
 
Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen

Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"

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Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]

Your Honor,

In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.

As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.

The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.

Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.    

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They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.

Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.

Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.

Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .  
 
 mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]

 Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/

The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.

[LilPuma]

ATTENTION - MF and SUNMOONSTARS

If you know who sent that email why not post their name or nicknames?  MF claims the ALE and FBI know who it is.  IF that person is a member of SM I will have then banned.

How do we know such an email even exists?  

Exactly.  Whoever posted a threat must be registered and their e-mail would be known by site admin.  They could forward that to Red and be done with it without the drama.

[igsigs]

ATTENTION - MF and SUNMOONSTARS

MF now appears to be saying that the offending post is from a member at Freebirds/J4N (not that i believe that).

It would have been appropriate, IMO, for MF or Sunmoonstars to correct the 20 posts blaming SM. I am surprised that Sun did not.

[klaasend]

Leslie - too funny.  I just created a thread for the same translated article by Arubagirl.

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… mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

[justinsmama]

"Greeter" is an odd term to use, too. Methinks someone whose primary language is not English (or at leat the Americanized version) penned this alleged email.

[LilPuma]

NO FLORINS FOR PAUL AND THE VAN DER SLOOT FAMILY  
                      THEY LOST THEIR CASE

HOT DAMN!!!   finally something good outta the cellpool island

I'm stunned and happy by the news.  And Sunny, cellpool is where the younger Gottenbos's phone was disposed of.  Cesspool, the larger one, is Aruba.  The lyingpool is the pool around which J2K sat while deciding with Paulus whether or not to tell the truth and get the guards out of jail or continue lying.  Tablepool contains the 8-ball behind which Joran's head still sits.  I know it can be confusing.    

[klaasend]

ATTENTION - MF and SUNMOONSTARS

MF now appears to be saying that the offending post is from a member at Freebirds/J4N (not that i believe that).

It would have been appropriate, IMO, for MF or Sunmoonstars to correct the 20 posts blaming SM. I am surprised that Sun did not.

MF, Utah, Charlierat and others have been using the term Monkey or Monkkkeys for months when referring to all groups that support the family of Natalee Holloway.

[Artcolley]

If that evidence is good enough to deny PVDS financial compensation, why wasn't it good enough to keep Paul and Joran in jail?   The judges could have been looking for any excuse to deny PVDS his greedy moneygrab but they have also stated an opinion on the validity of these witnesses recollections.

It certainly would seem that way to me, Leslie.
It will be most interesting to see how this all shakes out, won't it?

[Leslie]

Klaas:  great minds think alike...
" together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge."
So, do we have the identities of Shango, Simian and Checkme figured out yet?  

[Cat]

I do not know who ru,fob,or mf is,but I am a cat

[klaasend]

Klaas:  great minds think alike...
" together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge."
So, do we have the identities of Shango, Simian and Checkme figured out yet?  

Based upon my own research into posts made by Checkme I honestly do not believe we should be looking at those posts.  I think Checkme was someone just "playing" with us. I believe Checkme though he/she would have some fun.

[msmarple]

Leslie - Thanks for posting that translation of the letter.

It is clear that the language thing has created quite a few problems in this case. I remember that we previously discussed the reference to Charles Croes as a "clairvoyant," which surely isn't correct in anyone's opinion.

Can't remember what we decided, but I think it's possible that the term "mediator" might have become "medium".

Okay - we know pretty much what the letter says about Claudio and the time.

But, have we now also heard that there is a statement from Claudio that refers to a 4:00 a.m. pickup? That is what I thought, and was so excited about.

[klaasend]

I do not know who ru,fob,or mf is,but I am a cat

RU = Refugees Unleashed
FOB = Freedom of Blog
MF = Media Freak (someone from Aruba)

All of the above stand firmly behind the Sloots.

[klaasend]

Leslie - Thanks for posting that translation of the letter.

It is clear that the language thing has created quite a few problems in this case. I remember that we previously discussed the reference to Charles Croes as a "clairvoyant," which surely isn't correct in anyone's opinion.

Can't remember what we decided, but I think it's possible that the term "mediator" might have become "medium".

Okay - we know pretty much what the letter says about Claudio and the time.

But, have we now also heard that there is a statement from Claudio that refers to a 4:00 a.m. pickup? That is what I thought, and was so excited about.

I would say there most definately is a statement from Claudio even though we have not seen it.

[Leslie]

Checkme was the one with all the Lorenzo van Rijn info.  
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/17/morning-update/