Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 - 8/21/10

[Puzzler]

Another thing that I find hinky is, if Kaine wasn't even around when Terri had James leave, why was Terri compaining "to whomever would listen" at the gym about how mean Kaine was being about James, and Kaine forcing James to leave. It sounds very much like laying the groundwork for something. Maybe to convince someone there how sad her situation was and to find a sucker to help her in her scheme(s) against Kaine. Schemes that could involve Kyron's disappearance. I'm thinking one of those  platinum-blond "village of the damned" people--possibly a guy. Just kidding about the blond types but I think it may have been a male she was trying to influence. Just call it spidey-sense. IMO more info to come from 24Hour Fitness.

IMO we won't know the answer to the question you asked until we know "what all happened" in the lead up to Terri making the decision for her son to go live with her grandparents.  We don't know what was going on in the days, weeks, months, leading up to the decison.  We did hear that James was not making good grades and they picked up considerably when he moved away.  Even James said that school was boring. 

[txlisa]

I'm sure Desiree tried to make the short time of a weekend visit with her son as enjoyable as possible.  Kyron, of course, would rather stay in the "fun" environment; rather that going back to "school" and everyday life.  That just a normal response from a kid IMO.

A good friend of mine had trouble with one of her son's when he was small and would send him to his room when he was misbehaving.  She was told by a physchiatrist that sending a child to their room was not a punishment, as it was their safe place with all their toys, etc.; that she should assign a chore like the previously mentioned "dust rag" or take away a favorite toy for a specified period of time. 

I heard that same thing about a kid's room being no punishment. Can't remember where. Makes sense though.
Now comes an unsettling thought: what if Terri wanted Kyron in his room, away from Kaine as much as possible, because she just wanted it to be the Terri-Kaine-Kiara dynamic? In her mind, Kyron would become less and less part of the family. Out of sight out of mind. Finally that wasn't enough for her, or Kaine wasn't going along with it as much as she hoped, or it was taking too long--something more permanent had to be done to get Kyron out of the way.

I don't get why the punishment always involved making him stay in his room.

I think she wanted daily reports because each day she hoped he wouldn't get a 'green" report.
Then away to his room and away from the rest of the family would go poor little Kyron. Maybe he was getting too many green reports and so that little scheme didn't work, so she had to find another way to get the little boy lost.

Seriously, she should have done that for James since he was the one skipping school.

[Tamikosmom]

The MFH Plot

I am backtracking in regards to the alleged MFH plot.  I now doubt that there is any evidence ... only the hearsay of the landscaper ... that there was ever a MFH plot.

The failing sting to trap Terri ... would not have been necessary ... if there had been electronic backup ... credible evidence.

Terri Horman would have been apprehended and charged ... if there had been electronic backup ... credible evidence..

I can tell you that Tamikosmom would be sitting in a Canadian prison at this moment if there was credible evidence that she attempted a MFH against her husband.

I contend that the sexting was what motivated investigators to track down the landscaper and ... for his own benefit ... an illegal lied to investigators.

Janet

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Kyron Horman's stepmom won't contest husband's push out of their home; new court files allege sexual relationship
Published: Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:56 PM
Updated: Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:31 AM

Law enforcement informed Kaine Horman that Terri Horman not only shared concerns about her marriage with Cook and made sexual overtures to him, but made similar overtures to the landscaper who she had attempted to hire to murder Kaine months before Kyron's disappearance, the filing says.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyrons_stepmom_wont_contest_he.html

 

Then why was she sexting and carrying on with the landscaper?

The same reason that Kaine had been carrying on with Terri with Desiree was eight months pregnant ... Terri was unhappy in her marriage.  Hey ... maybe Terri's justification had something to do an affair that "sources" claim that Kaine may have been involved in.

Janet

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Police were ready to arrest Kyron's stepmom over plot to kill husband, says source
Jul 6 at 9:36 PM
 
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally by having an extra-marital relationship.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Source-Police-were-ready-to-arrest-Kyrons-stepmom-over-plot-to-kill-husband-97907429.html

So we beat up Kaine for something there isn't any proof that he did, but we are supposed to justify Terri's confirmed affair with the landscaper?  Ok, is this bizarro world or what?

I am not justify an affair ... I am not saying that underlying dynmics within the marriage may imply that Terri felt justified.  One way or another ... the affair/sexting does not necessarily imply a MFH motive.

There is no proof that Kaine was involve in an affair other that "sources" and ... there is no proof in regards to the following words you posted trashing Terri.  It is all speculation.

Janet

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Damn!  No wonder the kid was shy and timid!  He probably had to walk on eggshells around her!

I shudder to think what she did to that poor child when no one else was around!

I think Kyron was Terri's "whipping boy."  The easiest target of her growing frustrations.  I don't think any discipline she did to that child was out of love. MOO!

[no rose colored glasses]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

[Puzzler]

2).  Anyone believe that when fall comes and school goes back into session there is a teeny tiny chance that someone will discover Kyron's body in a place no one thought to look?

YES - I have a very strong feeling that this will be the case.

O/T  Wildmala - what a cute avatar you have.

[Scatty]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Can you imagine the blow to her ego, knowing this is the first husband she didn't get rid of first? I think she was used to having someone in the wings when she left a husband. Kaine beat her to the punch.

[Scatty]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

Someone here speculated that it may have been scantily clad bodybuilding pics sent due the the wording "in various states of undress". But the wording "Graphic Sexual Activity" sorta lays that theory to rest IMO.

[Tamikosmom]

I'm sure Desiree tried to make the short time of a weekend visit with her son as enjoyable as possible.  Kyron, of course, would rather stay in the "fun" environment; rather that going back to "school" and everyday life.  That just a normal response from a kid IMO.

A good friend of mine had trouble with one of her son's when he was small and would send him to his room when he was misbehaving.  She was told by a physchiatrist that sending a child to their room was not a punishment, as it was their safe place with all their toys, etc.; that she should assign a chore like the previously mentioned "dust rag" or take away a favorite toy for a specified period of time. 

I heard that same thing about a kid's room being no punishment. Can't remember where. Makes sense though.
Now comes an unsettling thought: what if Terri wanted Kyron in his room, away from Kaine as much as possible, because she just wanted it to be the Terri-Kaine-Kiara dynamic? In her mind, Kyron would become less and less part of the family. Out of sight out of mind. Finally that wasn't enough for her, or Kaine wasn't going along with it as much as she hoped, or it was taking too long--something more permanent had to be done to get Kyron out of the way.

I don't get why the punishment always involved making him stay in his room.

I think she wanted daily reports because each day she hoped he wouldn't get a 'green" report.
Then away to his room and away from the rest of the family would go poor little Kyron. Maybe he was getting too many green reports and so that little scheme didn't work, so she had to find another way to get the little boy lost.

Seriously, she should have done that for James since he was the one skipping school.

txlisa

Wait until you son is sixteen and ... try sending him to his room for not conforming to expectations.  You might find him on the roof outside his window smoking.

 

Janet

[txlisa]

The MFH Plot

I am backtracking in regards to the alleged MFH plot.  I now doubt that there is any evidence ... only the hearsay of the landscaper ... that there was ever a MFH plot.

The failing sting to trap Terri ... would not have been necessary ... if there had been electronic backup ... credible evidence.

Terri Horman would have been apprehended and charged ... if there had been electronic backup ... credible evidence..

I can tell you that Tamikosmom would be sitting in a Canadian prison at this moment if there was credible evidence that she attempted a MFH against her husband.

I contend that the sexting was what motivated investigators to track down the landscaper and ... for his own benefit ... an illegal lied to investigators.

Janet

++++++

Kyron Horman's stepmom won't contest husband's push out of their home; new court files allege sexual relationship
Published: Monday, July 12, 2010, 8:56 PM
Updated: Friday, July 16, 2010, 10:31 AM

Law enforcement informed Kaine Horman that Terri Horman not only shared concerns about her marriage with Cook and made sexual overtures to him, but made similar overtures to the landscaper who she had attempted to hire to murder Kaine months before Kyron's disappearance, the filing says.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyrons_stepmom_wont_contest_he.html

 

Then why was she sexting and carrying on with the landscaper?

The same reason that Kaine had been carrying on with Terri with Desiree was eight months pregnant ... Terri was unhappy in her marriage.  Hey ... maybe Terri's justification had something to do an affair that "sources" claim that Kaine may have been involved in.

Janet

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Police were ready to arrest Kyron's stepmom over plot to kill husband, says source
Jul 6 at 9:36 PM
 
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally by having an extra-marital relationship.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Source-Police-were-ready-to-arrest-Kyrons-stepmom-over-plot-to-kill-husband-97907429.html

So we beat up Kaine for something there isn't any proof that he did, but we are supposed to justify Terri's confirmed affair with the landscaper?  Ok, is this bizarro world or what?

I am not justify an affair ... I am not saying that underlying dynmics within the marriage may imply that Terri felt justified.  One way or another ... the affair/sexting does not necessarily imply a MFH motive.

There is no proof that Kaine was involve in an affair other that "sources" and ... there is no proof in regards to the following words you posted trashing Terri.  It is all speculation.

Janet

+++++

Damn!  No wonder the kid was shy and timid!  He probably had to walk on eggshells around her!

I shudder to think what she did to that poor child when no one else was around!

I think Kyron was Terri's "whipping boy."  The easiest target of her growing frustrations.  I don't think any discipline she did to that child was out of love. MOO!

I never offered those statements up as proof of anything. Those are my gut feelings and opinions. You asked me for proof of TERRI AND DEDE DOING SOMETHING TO KYRON, which if you go back, you will see that I did.  Apples and oranges.

[Puzzler]

I just find it interesting that James said he only heard his mom and Kaine fight once in eight years, and the couple fought in private.  I have never heard of that before, good way of doing it though. Would love to know how often they fought in private.

I would love to know when that fight took place.  Recently on a weekend visit when James was home, before James was sent away, before the MFH?

Me too

Ditto...and what it was about...Kaine/Terri both seem like they have strong personalities and I'm sure they had all the disagreements that other married parnters have, whether James heard them or not.

I do have a growing belief that maybe Kaine/Terri were already on their way to a divorce before Kyron went missing.

[Tamikosmom]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

Someone here speculated that it may have been scantily clad bodybuilding pics sent due the the wording "in various states of undress". But the wording "Graphic Sexual Activity" sorta lays that theory to rest IMO.

I agree.

Considering both the texting of these images to both landscaper and Michael Cook ... it would appear that Terri Horman had some issues.

Janet

[seemeatthebeach]

Sorry, I have to disagree with the discipline thing.  I think what Terri wanted Kaine to do was excessive and not necessary.

Well I disagree with you completely. She was parenting Kyron.

Do you feel it is reasonable to expect perfect behavior in the classroom every day? There are 4 colors of cards. If my (or any other child) had perfect behavior every single day in the classroom, I would find that to be a little strange. We all want our children to be perfect, but if a child gets 29 greens and one card that is the step lower than a green, do we ground them for that (if so, then for how long)? My point is we all have varying parenting styles. There is usually more than one way to get from point A to point B; however, expecting perfection from a child can set up just as many issues as allowing chaos to rule IMO. I have no idea if Terri was too punitive or expected perfection from Kyron. If she wanted excessive consequences for any behavior that was one iota less than perfect, that could be an indicator of other issues. All I can reasonably discern from the article is that Kaine and Terri did not agree on the management of these cards nor on the potential consequences.

To punish a child on a daily basis based on a color card can be detrimental to a childs self-esteem.  After a while the poor kid will question if they can ever do anything right.  

No wonder Kyron was afraid to get out of bed until someone gave him the "okay".

My hopes of Kyron still being alive are dwindling after reading the Oregonian article.

[txlisa]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Can you imagine the blow to her ego, knowing this is the first husband she didn't get rid of first? I think she was used to having someone in the wings when she left a husband. Kaine beat her to the punch.

It sounds like Terri was always waiting for the next best thing.

[Scatty]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

Someone here speculated that it may have been scantily clad bodybuilding pics sent due the the wording "in various states of undress". But the wording "Graphic Sexual Activity" sorta lays that theory to rest IMO.

Let me qualify my last post. I'm not totally sure about the various states of undress terminology ever being used. But I am sure about the Graphic Sexual part.

[txlisa]

I'm sure Desiree tried to make the short time of a weekend visit with her son as enjoyable as possible.  Kyron, of course, would rather stay in the "fun" environment; rather that going back to "school" and everyday life.  That just a normal response from a kid IMO.

A good friend of mine had trouble with one of her son's when he was small and would send him to his room when he was misbehaving.  She was told by a physchiatrist that sending a child to their room was not a punishment, as it was their safe place with all their toys, etc.; that she should assign a chore like the previously mentioned "dust rag" or take away a favorite toy for a specified period of time. 

I heard that same thing about a kid's room being no punishment. Can't remember where. Makes sense though.
Now comes an unsettling thought: what if Terri wanted Kyron in his room, away from Kaine as much as possible, because she just wanted it to be the Terri-Kaine-Kiara dynamic? In her mind, Kyron would become less and less part of the family. Out of sight out of mind. Finally that wasn't enough for her, or Kaine wasn't going along with it as much as she hoped, or it was taking too long--something more permanent had to be done to get Kyron out of the way.

I don't get why the punishment always involved making him stay in his room.

I think she wanted daily reports because each day she hoped he wouldn't get a 'green" report.
Then away to his room and away from the rest of the family would go poor little Kyron. Maybe he was getting too many green reports and so that little scheme didn't work, so she had to find another way to get the little boy lost.

Seriously, she should have done that for James since he was the one skipping school.

txlisa

Wait until you son is sixteen and ... try sending him to his room for not conforming to expectations.  You might find him on the roof outside his window smoking.

 

Janet

Probably will happen.  But why come down so hard on Kyron when her own son was skipping school and getting bad grades?

[no rose colored glasses]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

Someone here speculated that it may have been scantily clad bodybuilding pics sent due the the wording "in various states of undress". But the wording "Graphic Sexual Activity" sorta lays that theory to rest IMO.

Thanks

[no rose colored glasses]

I just find it interesting that James said he only heard his mom and Kaine fight once in eight years, and the couple fought in private.  I have never heard of that before, good way of doing it though. Would love to know how often they fought in private.

I would love to know when that fight took place.  Recently on a weekend visit when James was home, before James was sent away, before the MFH?

Me too

Ditto...and what it was about...Kaine/Terri both seem like they have strong personalities and I'm sure they had all the disagreements that other married parnters have, whether James heard them or not.

I do have a growing belief that maybe Kaine/Terri were already on their way to a divorce before Kyron went missing.

I do also, and this also could be a motive. Think things weren't going well in that house for awhile, imo.

[Tracygirl]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

[seahorse]

Hi Monkey's and guest,

I was gleaning and not cleaning 

 WS  actually have a thread:


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=410

"Possible S-----  Relationship Between DeDe and Terri? ( 1 2)
akashana

 ::MonkeyShocked::anyone would entertain that idea so bluntly   
I am only interested in what Rudy's muscles and abs look like 

[no rose colored glasses]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

If Kaine and Terri met at a restaurant, why was Kaine not wanting to say where they met?