Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 - 8/21/10

[Tracygirl]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

There was proof that she was sending nudie pics of herself to the landscaper.  I would kind of consider that cheating.

I wish they would release exact details about these texts to clear this up. If she sent porno pics then that is one thing if they were pics of her in a bathing suit, then that is another. I also wish i could find out exactly what she said.

[txlisa]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

There was proof that she was sending nudie pics of herself to the landscaper.  I would kind of consider that cheating.

I wish they would release exact details about these texts to clear this up. If she sent porno pics then that is one thing if they were pics of her in a bathing suit, then that is another. I also wish i could find out exactly what she said.

What would be the difference?  Do all married people send racy pics of themselves to their landscapers?

[Tamikosmom]

 I think some of us are mad at Kaine because he was having a extra-marital relationship with Terri while  Desiree was eight months pregnant ,and still married and living with Desiree.
I just don't know who I would hate worse Kaine or Terri if I was her hmmm I say Kaine.

JMO

Blonde

I take issue with both Kaine and Terri in areas of morality but ... when all is said and done ... the countless revealed photos imply they both loved Kyron, Kaira and James very much.  However ... following the birth of Kiara ... Terri changed and ... I believe that change was a catalyst to what happened on the morning of June 4, 2010.

Again ... I am not justifying ... only attempting to understand what was behind the change ... what was behind Terri's warped illogical thought process.

Janet

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Kaine Horman: "Terri was a good person when we first met"
Posted on July 16, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Updated today at 1:56 PM

In his response to questions from KGW, Kaine acknowledged that people have commented about 'how could he marry a woman like this' and how could he 'not see this coming.'

In response, he wrote: "Terri was a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that. I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did."

"Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now," added Kaine Horman.

"There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen."

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-Horman-Terri-was-a-good-person-when-we-first-met-98620944.html

[Tamikosmom]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

Hi Tracygirl

According to unnamed "sources" ... Terri shared with the landscaper that Kaine was having an affair.

I assume that determining what unnamed "sources" wannabe detectives are to believe or not to believe in this case is where it is at.

Janet

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Police were ready to arrest Kyron's stepmom over plot to kill husband, says source
Jul 6 at 9:36 PM
 
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally by having an extra-marital relationship.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Source-Police-were-ready-to-arrest-Kyrons-stepmom-over-plot-to-kill-husband-97907429.html

To be honest, in lots of high profiled crimes I have followed, there are un-named sources.  It's nothing new.

So do we believe these unnamed sources or ... do we pick and choose according to our personal leanings.

Janet

[Puzzler]

All the landscaper had to do was tell LE that he was having an affair with Terri.  Also, Blink is certain that landscaper IS involved in Kyron's disappearance.

Blink's certainty reminds me of our discussion (I believe yesterday) about a May 9 confrontation between the landscaper and the Horman's (I believe it was the Horman's and not just Terri...don't want to mislead) and that 911 calls were made then, but were sealed once Kyron went missing.  The inference was that the landscaper was really angry and that event was of interest with Kyron going missing.  We just keep coming back to the landscaper...

[txlisa]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

Hi Tracygirl

According to unnamed "sources" ... Terri shared with the landscaper that Kaine was having an affair.

I assume that determining what unnamed "sources" wannabe detectives are to believe or not to believe in this case is where it is at.

Janet

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Police were ready to arrest Kyron's stepmom over plot to kill husband, says source
Jul 6 at 9:36 PM
 
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally by having an extra-marital relationship.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Source-Police-were-ready-to-arrest-Kyrons-stepmom-over-plot-to-kill-husband-97907429.html

To be honest, in lots of high profiled crimes I have followed, there are un-named sources.  It's nothing new.

So do we believe these unnamed sources or ... do we pick and choose according to our personal leanings.

Janet

It's up to you.  I'm just saying there is nothing to surprised about with un-named sources in this case. 

[txlisa]

All the landscaper had to do was tell LE that he was having an affair with Terri.  Also, Blink is certain that landscaper IS involved in Kyron's disappearance.

Blink's certainty reminds me of our discussion (I believe yesterday) about a May 9 confrontation between the landscaper and the Horman's (I believe it was the Horman's and not just Terri...don't want to mislead) and that 911 calls were made then, but were sealed once Kyron went missing.  The inference was that the landscaper was really angry and that event was of interest with Kyron going missing.  We just keep coming back to the landscaper...

Yep.  There had to have been more going on with Terri and said landscaper than "innocent texting" for this May 9 confrontation to have come about.

[Blonde]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

If Kaine and Terri met at a restaurant, why was Kaine not wanting to say where they met?

Kaine didn't want to get into it

[no rose colored glasses]

All the landscaper had to do was tell LE that he was having an affair with Terri.  Also, Blink is certain that landscaper IS involved in Kyron's disappearance.

Blink's certainty reminds me of our discussion (I believe yesterday) about a May 9 confrontation between the landscaper and the Horman's (I believe it was the Horman's and not just Terri...don't want to mislead) and that 911 calls were made then, but were sealed once Kyron went missing.  The inference was that the landscaper was really angry and that event was of interest with Kyron going missing.  We just keep coming back to the landscaper...

Now that is certainly something that I wish we knew.

[Puzzler]

I'm sure Desiree tried to make the short time of a weekend visit with her son as enjoyable as possible.  Kyron, of course, would rather stay in the "fun" environment; rather that going back to "school" and everyday life.  That just a normal response from a kid IMO.

A good friend of mine had trouble with one of her son's when he was small and would send him to his room when he was misbehaving.  She was told by a physchiatrist that sending a child to their room was not a punishment, as it was their safe place with all their toys, etc.; that she should assign a chore like the previously mentioned "dust rag" or take away a favorite toy for a specified period of time. 

I heard that same thing about a kid's room being no punishment. Can't remember where. Makes sense though.
Now comes an unsettling thought: what if Terri wanted Kyron in his room, away from Kaine as much as possible, because she just wanted it to be the Terri-Kaine-Kiara dynamic? In her mind, Kyron would become less and less part of the family. Out of sight out of mind. Finally that wasn't enough for her, or Kaine wasn't going along with it as much as she hoped, or it was taking too long--something more permanent had to be done to get Kyron out of the way.

I don't get why the punishment always involved making him stay in his room.

I think she wanted daily reports because each day she hoped he wouldn't get a 'green" report.
Then away to his room and away from the rest of the family would go poor little Kyron. Maybe he was getting too many green reports and so that little scheme didn't work, so she had to find another way to get the little boy lost.

Seriously, she should have done that for James since he was the one skipping school.

You hit on something I've thought about, too.  What you said: James was the one skipping school.  We heard James was getting bad grades and skipping school.  Maybe she did try.  Maybe that's what was meant when she said she just couldn't handle it.  A teenage boy vs. mom.  Maybe the decision was made in the best interest of James' education.  We did hear that his grades were much better after the move and spending time with the horses.  James himself said he was bored.  Maybe the interaction with the horses was not boring to James and he settled down, enabling him to get better grades.

[no rose colored glasses]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

If Kaine and Terri met at a restaurant, why was Kaine not wanting to say where they met?

Kaine didn't want to get into it

I wondered if maybe Terri was a stripper at one point, but would have no idea if inside some strip joints there are menus for food as well  But it sure could be a regular restaurant, and he just didn't want to talk about it.

[Lazydog1]

Two things;

1).  Anyone else read anywhere with any credibility that Desiree is on a houseboat somewhere?

2).  Anyone believe that when fall comes and school goes back into session there is a teeny tiny chance that someone will discover Kyron's body in a place no one thought to look?

I haven't read that about Desiree but I do think that if Kyron is found it will be a totally by accident thing unfortunately.

I hate to say this but I figure he might be found during hunting season here in the great NW.
The thought of it just breaks my heart.

[Tamikosmom]

All the landscaper had to do was tell LE that he was having an affair with Terri.  Also, Blink is certain that landscaper IS involved in Kyron's disappearance.

Blink's certainty reminds me of our discussion (I believe yesterday) about a May 9 confrontation between the landscaper and the Horman's (I believe it was the Horman's and not just Terri...don't want to mislead) and that 911 calls were made then, but were sealed once Kyron went missing.  The inference was that the landscaper was really angry and that event was of interest with Kyron going missing.  We just keep coming back to the landscaper...

Considering the landscaper testified before the grand jury ... which IIRC provides immunity from prosecution  ... the implication is that authorities do not consider him a person of interest in the Kyron Horman case.

Could it be that the landscaper was "in love" while Terri considered that relationship nothing more than a passing fling?  This was what the confrontation was all about.  This is what the MFH allegation is all about.

Janet

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Landscaper in alleged murder-for-hire plot testifies before grand juryLast Update: 8/13 8:04 am

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Landscaper-in-alleged-murder-for-hire-plot/DsZPsC9z3UujvXc6ZrUh-Q.cspx

[Blonde]

I don't recall reading anywhere that Kyron did or didn't have any learning disabilities.

D "He's had some challenges at school with listening & following direction, and so of course we've had to talk to him about that, too, and part of that is listening to your elders, unfortunately."

From this interview with Kaine & Desiree:

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/me...t&navCatId=156

[hellokitty]

 

Alcoholism is an interesting disease.  Some signs of being an alcoholic are if it gets you in trouble (think DUI).  Hiding your drinking from others.

If you quit drinking and take it up 20 years later, you will be at the point in your drinking as if you had not quit drinking for 20 years.  It's a progressive disease.  Very strange.

Some characteristics of families that live with an alcoholic are feeling like you have to walk on eggshells.  Secrecy-never breaking the code of silence and secrecy in the family.  Denial. Children who play unwitting roles in the family-the golden child, the source of all problems, the clown, the fixer.

Very interesting family dynamics.

[no rose colored glasses]

All the landscaper had to do was tell LE that he was having an affair with Terri.  Also, Blink is certain that landscaper IS involved in Kyron's disappearance.

Blink's certainty reminds me of our discussion (I believe yesterday) about a May 9 confrontation between the landscaper and the Horman's (I believe it was the Horman's and not just Terri...don't want to mislead) and that 911 calls were made then, but were sealed once Kyron went missing.  The inference was that the landscaper was really angry and that event was of interest with Kyron going missing.  We just keep coming back to the landscaper...

Considering the landscaper testified before the grand jury ... which IIRC provides immunity from prosecution  ... the implication is that authorities do not consider him a person of interest in the Kyron Horman case.

Could it be that the landscaper was "in love" while Terri considered that relationship nothing more than a passing fling?  This was what the confrontation was all about.  This is what the MFH allegation is all about.

Janet

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Landscaper in alleged murder-for-hire plot testifies before grand juryLast Update: 8/13 8:04 am

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Landscaper-in-alleged-murder-for-hire-plot/DsZPsC9z3UujvXc6ZrUh-Q.cspx

Could be he was, and Terri told him to get lost.

[nicubird]

All the landscaper had to do was tell LE that he was having an affair with Terri.  Also, Blink is certain that landscaper IS involved in Kyron's disappearance.

Blink's certainty reminds me of our discussion (I believe yesterday) about a May 9 confrontation between the landscaper and the Horman's (I believe it was the Horman's and not just Terri...don't want to mislead) and that 911 calls were made then, but were sealed once Kyron went missing.  The inference was that the landscaper was really angry and that event was of interest with Kyron going missing.  We just keep coming back to the landscaper...

Now that is certainly something that I wish we knew.

Correct me if I am wrong, but there is no credible source for the May 9 confrontation. The origination of that rumor was sincerelyours (AKA rosecitybluessinger, arizonalovesyoutwo). She is the self professed psychic and friend of Terri's parents that was  (is?) posting conflicting bits of information at KATU. I realize all we have are anonymous sources, but on the spectrum of believability she rates fairly low.

As for the LS, I believe there is definitely something going on there. Sexting by definition is sexually graphic in word or photo. Bathing suit and bodybuilding pics do not fit the definition. Does anyone remember who first used the word sexting as a descriptor of the activity between the LS and Terri or MC and Terri?

[Puzzler]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

Someone here speculated that it may have been scantily clad bodybuilding pics sent due the the wording "in various states of undress". But the wording "Graphic Sexual Activity" sorta lays that theory to rest IMO.

That was me that speculated on the "bodybuilding pics".  I agree about the "graphic sexual activity"...the thought makes me sick to send stuff like that over your phone.  We hear all the time on the news that teenage girls are sending nude photos of themselves over the phone "sexting". 

I tend to think this is true because it was put out by LE, albeit through Kaine...only thing is that LE doesn't have to tell the truth and there's a slight chance it was put out there to get a rise out of Terri - maybe in an attempt to get her upset and make some kind of excited utterance that would be the smoking gun they're looking to find.

[Scatty]

I have a question. (O/T-don't you hate it when the caller starts with that on Nancy Grace? Hello, we know! Isn't that why you're calling? Just ask the damn question!)
OK, back to the question. Does anyone know when did the family have the press conference where Kaine asked a couple pubs to leave? Was it before he discovered the MFH plot and moved out?

[seahorse]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/quick_take_terri_moulton_horma.html


Quick take: Terri Moulton Horman profile required weeks of gathering documents, banging on doors
Published: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:13 PM     Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:15 PM

Video of Lynne Terry (reporter)

She walks you through steps how she "obtained information"for the OL with SM husband's 1,2, & 3