Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 - 8/21/10

[Scatty]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

Someone here speculated that it may have been scantily clad bodybuilding pics sent due the the wording "in various states of undress". But the wording "Graphic Sexual Activity" sorta lays that theory to rest IMO.

That was me that speculated on the "bodybuilding pics".  I agree about the "graphic sexual activity"...the thought makes me sick to send stuff like that over your phone.  We hear all the time on the news that teenage girls are sending nude photos of themselves over the phone "sexting". 

I tend to think this is true because it was put out by LE, albeit through Kaine...only thing is that LE doesn't have to tell the truth and there's a slight chance it was put out there to get a rise out of Terri - maybe in an attempt to get her upset and make some kind of excited utterance that would be the smoking gun they're looking to find.

If it wasn't true, I think Terri's lawyer would be all over LE like white on rice.

[nicubird]

I have a question. (O/T-don't you hate it when the caller starts with that on Nancy Grace? Hello, we know! Isn't that why you're calling? Just ask the damn question!)
OK, back to the question. Does anyone know when did the family have the press conference where Kaine asked a couple pubs to leave? Was it before he discovered the MFH plot and moved out?

YoooHooo Janet, Scatty needs you!

[Puzzler]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

Someone here speculated that it may have been scantily clad bodybuilding pics sent due the the wording "in various states of undress". But the wording "Graphic Sexual Activity" sorta lays that theory to rest IMO.

Let me qualify my last post. I'm not totally sure about the various states of undress terminology ever being used. But I am sure about the Graphic Sexual part.

The words are the court motion - see in this article, 11th paragraph, just above bolded words "READ: Court Affidavit"

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-Terri-Hormans-sexting-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html

[Tamikosmom]

I have a question. (O/T-don't you hate it when the caller starts with that on Nancy Grace? Hello, we know! Isn't that why you're calling? Just ask the damn question!)
OK, back to the question. Does anyone know when did the family have the press conference where Kaine asked a couple pubs to leave? Was it before he discovered the MFH plot and moved out?

YoooHooo Janet, Scatty needs you!

 

[Scatty]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/quick_take_terri_moulton_horma.html


Quick take: Terri Moulton Horman profile required weeks of gathering documents, banging on doors
Published: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:13 PM     Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:15 PM

Video of Lynne Terry (reporter)

She walks you through steps how she "obtained information"for the OL with SM husband's 1,2, & 3

Finally someone who does what an investigative journalist is supposed to do. Brings back memories of the good old days for me. I'm sick of talking heads who call themselves journalists when they just limit themselves to going where somebody's told them to go, followed by their camera person. Although that does have its uses too.

[Puzzler]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

If Kaine and Terri met at a restaurant, why was Kaine not wanting to say where they met?

What kind of restaurant was it?  (Sorry...but I've read that there are restaurants in Oregon that do more than sell food and drink).   Maybe it was who the friends were that Kaine was out with at the restaurant.  Maybe it's just that Kaine wanted to keep the focus on Kyron.

[Scatty]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

Someone here speculated that it may have been scantily clad bodybuilding pics sent due the the wording "in various states of undress". But the wording "Graphic Sexual Activity" sorta lays that theory to rest IMO.

Let me qualify my last post. I'm not totally sure about the various states of undress terminology ever being used. But I am sure about the Graphic Sexual part.

The words are the court motion - see in this article, 11th paragraph, just above bolded words "READ: Court Affidavit"

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-Terri-Hormans-sexting-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html

Thanks Puzzler. Added that to my "Kyron document" links.

[Gypsy DD]

I have got to comment on the mark system from the school and Terri's behavior toward this. My daughter gets the colored dot system and has since kindergarten. She has also been diagnosed ADD with anxiety and Pica disorders. (firm believer this all comes from living with her bio parents). During kindergarten she received several red marks, I kept asking her why, after the 3rd time I called the school to speak with the teacher, no call back. The following day she again received a red mark. Sammi said the same thing "I don't know" Well I went to the room to talk to the teacher. The teacher was very belligerent and asked if I had not talked to Sammi. After pulling the info from her, she had told Sammi to take the pencil out of her mouth, after that every day that she saw Sammi with the pencil in her mouth she gave her a red mark, said that she knew she was not suppose to have the pencil in her mouth she should not have to remind her every day. After I saw the pencils, she was not putting the pencil in her mouth, she was eating them from the erasers down and had eaten 4 pencils. I asked the teacher if she had any idea of what Pica was. At this time I requested that a note accompany any mark other than a green mark. Had to fight with the whole school system over this. During any of Sammi's re-evaluations for ADD and other disorders I have to have very close communications with the teachers. If Terri thought that Kyron was having issues I feel she was doing right by staying up with it on a daily basis.
               During 2nd grade Sammi got into the habit of picking her nose and eating it. I found out about this because she was crying after school one day because none of the other kids would have anything to do with her. I went to the school the next morning and found out that this had been going on for weeks. She did not do it at home because she did not feel the anxiety that she felt at school. But because after several weeks the teacher did not see fit to tell the parent Sammi was shunned by her school mates.

One other thing I wanted to hit on, in the story about Terri I wonder if the whole pregnancy was a bad emotional deal. Kaine said in the article that the pregnancy was a shock to him as he thought they were NOT going to have children.

Not defending what she may have done to Kyron on June 4th. Only defending her right to question the teacher on the behavioral issues.

oh my, Pica is a terrible thing, we had a family member with this. May I please ask, is this card system used with all children, or with children with learning problems? The reason I ask is, did Kyron have learning problems?

IIRC, Kyron's teacher said Kyron had NO learning disabilities.

And to add to that thought Desiree and Kaine when asked in an interview about physical characteristics and any illness stated only about a birthmark or mole, and the allergy to bee stings.  They have been asked repeatedly about Kyron having other issues and have stated he did not.  Why would they lie when they want their son back? 

Why are we having to defend anything Desiree or Tony or Kaine say?  The point is..not any of them are involved in his disappearance, not any of them has had even 1 person come forward to say anything bad about them in a written or spoken press article, not one person has suspected them in any of this disappearance of Kyron.

However people have come forward..people who know her well..Kaine and Desiree and Tony..and LE.  Kaine says in his court document that LE has given him reason to belive his life may be in danger..do you think he lied..LE lied..LE just got the facts wrong.  Give me a break this taking up for Terri and battering Kaine is silly.  People doing that seem to have their own issues..which I can't comprehend. 

We are not a jury ..but we form opinions on what we know.  If you feel you don't have enough to base an opinion of Terri on..well that's fine..but don't belittle people that can see she is the most likely suspect.

LE didn't lie to Kaine about Terri's affair and MFH scheme..so you need to get over that fact..she is not a nice person..she is capable of planning a murder and requesting help.  So far no one else in this case seems to have that ability..except any contacts the landscaper may have found for her.

[Scatty]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

If Kaine and Terri met at a restaurant, why was Kaine not wanting to say where they met?

What kind of restaurant was it?  (Sorry...but I've read that there are restaurants in Oregon that do more than sell food and drink).   Maybe it was who the friends were that Kaine was out with at the restaurant.  Maybe it's just that Kaine wanted to keep the focus on Kyron.

Maybe it was McDonalds. I eat there, but some might be embarassed to admit meeting their new squeeze there. The article did mention she worked at McDonalds.

[Puzzler]

I don't recall reading anywhere that Kyron did or didn't have any learning disabilities.

I don't either.  I just recall that he would walk in a room, stare and walk out (words to that effect) and that the doctor said Kyron might be having petit mal seizures and that's why she made a doctor's appointment.  Little confusing in the wording.  My interruptation is that she discussed it with or took Kyron to his regular doctor and based on what the doctor said she made an appoint with another doctor, probably a specialist.  However, that's only my interruptation.

[cw618]

When did the name Name Redacted2 become Name Redacted?  Is Robin M. de Alicante and Robin Holmes that same person?  Who is she?

Janet
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8388.msg1212612#msg1212612

janet not sure you or anyone resolved this, if you did i missed the post
sorry for the repeat, i just remember coming across the holmes link b4

pg10 refers to Robin de Alicante as he/male
Robin de Alicante, Field Manager, Citizen Review Board
Robin M. de Alicante has been with the Oregon Judicial Department as a CRB Field Manager for over 15
years. He previously worked for three years with Parrott Creek Ranch as a Case Manager and as a
Court Liaison with the Clackamas County Court. Robin received his BA in 1981 from the University of
Oregon.
http://www.oregon.gov/OJD/docs/OSCA/cpsd/citizenreview/2010Conference/AgendaBios.pdf?ga=t

pg7, in the pic, Robin Holmes is a female
Featured left to right are: Robin Holmes, CRB; Kelly
Merrick, CRB; Layla Zand, Washington County Courts; and
Gina O’Brien, Multnomah County Courts.
http://www.oregon.gov/OJD/docs/OSCA/cpsd/citizenreview/April06Newsfinal.pdf?ga=t

[Puzzler]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

Hi Tracygirl

According to unnamed "sources" ... Terri shared with the landscaper that Kaine was having an affair.

I assume that determining what unnamed "sources" wannabe detectives are to believe or not to believe in this case is where it is at.

Janet

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Police were ready to arrest Kyron's stepmom over plot to kill husband, says source
Jul 6 at 9:36 PM
 
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally by having an extra-marital relationship.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Source-Police-were-ready-to-arrest-Kyrons-stepmom-over-plot-to-kill-husband-97907429.html

To be honest, in lots of high profiled crimes I have followed, there are un-named sources.  It's nothing new.

So do we believe these unnamed sources or ... do we pick and choose according to our personal leanings.

Janet

IMO a source that cannot be named is not to be believed 100%; therefore, anything an unnamed source says is questionable...just like the rest of the rumors, etc.

[Gypsy DD]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

If Kaine and Terri met at a restaurant, why was Kaine not wanting to say where they met?

What kind of restaurant was it?  (Sorry...but I've read that there are restaurants in Oregon that do more than sell food and drink).   Maybe it was who the friends were that Kaine was out with at the restaurant.  Maybe it's just that Kaine wanted to keep the focus on Kyron.

Good question Puzzler.  What type of establishment was this, and since she had managed rest. in the past..was she working/manager..or was she just mutual friends with others at the table?

[Puzzler]

All the landscaper had to do was tell LE that he was having an affair with Terri.  Also, Blink is certain that landscaper IS involved in Kyron's disappearance.

Blink's certainty reminds me of our discussion (I believe yesterday) about a May 9 confrontation between the landscaper and the Horman's (I believe it was the Horman's and not just Terri...don't want to mislead) and that 911 calls were made then, but were sealed once Kyron went missing.  The inference was that the landscaper was really angry and that event was of interest with Kyron going missing.  We just keep coming back to the landscaper...

Yep.  There had to have been more going on with Terri and said landscaper than "innocent texting" for this May 9 confrontation to have come about.

His anger (if true) is what tweaks my curiosity, especially only a few weeks before Kyron went missing.  I just have unanswered curiosity questions about it.

[Gypsy DD]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

Hi Tracygirl

According to unnamed "sources" ... Terri shared with the landscaper that Kaine was having an affair.

I assume that determining what unnamed "sources" wannabe detectives are to believe or not to believe in this case is where it is at.

Janet

++++++

Police were ready to arrest Kyron's stepmom over plot to kill husband, says source
Jul 6 at 9:36 PM
 
According to sources, Terri Horman had talked to the landscaper about being in a bad marriage and had claimed that Kaine had "hurt" her emotionally by having an extra-marital relationship.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Source-Police-were-ready-to-arrest-Kyrons-stepmom-over-plot-to-kill-husband-97907429.html

To be honest, in lots of high profiled crimes I have followed, there are un-named sources.  It's nothing new.

So do we believe these unnamed sources or ... do we pick and choose according to our personal leanings.

Janet

IMO a source that cannot be named is not to be believed 100%; therefore, anything an unnamed source says is questionable...just like the rest of the rumors, etc.

Janet I have to respond because this is about the sting.  If LE did not believe that Terri had approached the LS with a MFH plot they would not have taken it to the point of the sting.

The source has been proven to be true about the sting and the reasoning behind the sting per LE  and Kaine's court docs ?

[Tracygirl]

So we shouldn't judge Terri with the yardstick we ourselves would not want to be judged with, but it is okay to judge Kaine based on "rumors?" 

Kaine seeing terri while married to desiree is not a rumor, which btw we got the answer how they met, at a restaurant while Kaine was out with friends. . We don't really know if Kaine was having an affair or not while married to Terri, could be I suppose. It was not confirmed Terri was having an "affair" with the LS.

Maybe no proof of affair in the physical sense, but yes, she was sexting him.  And both Tarver and Eckert stated that she had cheated on them.

Desiree says Kaine cheated on her so does that mean that kaine cheated on Terri? I am not saying she did or not, but we haven't been told she was having an affair.

There was proof that she was sending nudie pics of herself to the landscaper.  I would kind of consider that cheating.

I wish they would release exact details about these texts to clear this up. If she sent porno pics then that is one thing if they were pics of her in a bathing suit, then that is another. I also wish i could find out exactly what she said.

What would be the difference?  Do all married people send racy pics of themselves to their landscapers?

I would like to know what context they were in and what it was all about.

[Itaryl Moosee]

Maybe the restaurant where Terri and Kaine met was not really a restaurant... more like a lounge/bar?

It wouldn't have looked good on Kaine revealing that during the interviews, I would think.

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About disciplining according to school rating...

This is what the article says:

Her attitude changed in the past year after Kyron entered second grade, he said. His teacher, with a color-coding system for her class, rated the kids on their behavior. Green was good, yellow signaled moments of inattention, blue indicated trouble and red sent them home.

Kaine said the teacher called parents about a blue or red card. But he said his wife was the only parent who asked for daily accounts from the teacher.

"Terri wanted notification whether it was green, yellow, red or blue," he said. "Every day she wanted it. That, to me, is extremely excessive. The child is in second grade."

He said when Kyron brought home anything but a green card she wanted Kaine to discipline him by grounding him to his room for the evening, eliminating play time or not letting him watch movies.

"There was no room for error," Kaine said.

To me, disciplining on red is fair.

Talking and discussing the behaviors that rate as yellow and blue is what is best, give the child a chance to change behaviors on his/her own based on the discussion.

To me disciplining on anything but a green is punishing too much, and too much punishment looses its effectiveness in the long run.

We all make mistakes, even as adults.

[Puzzler]

I'm mixed up with the sexting with Michael, I read that it was pictures from her bodybuilding days, has that been confirmed? And if she was sexting with the landscaper maybe they were pics from the time period also.

Someone here speculated that it may have been scantily clad bodybuilding pics sent due the the wording "in various states of undress". But the wording "Graphic Sexual Activity" sorta lays that theory to rest IMO.

Let me qualify my last post. I'm not totally sure about the various states of undress terminology ever being used. But I am sure about the Graphic Sexual part.

The words are the court motion - see in this article, 11th paragraph, just above bolded words "READ: Court Affidavit"

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-Terri-Hormans-sexting-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html

 



Thanks Puzzler. Added that to my "Kyron document" links.

[cw618]

wkys
*Tiptoes in*  Just to point out, all we have is a one-sided 'report' from Kaine, that this is what Terri did.  How do you know for sure what the heck Terri was doing, and why?  Just saying........   

Would you want to be judged with the same yardstick you are judging Terri with?  Really?? 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8388.msg1212986#msg1212986

in the one article, sorry dont have link on hand
it was the first one where kaine, gave his timeline feed cat,talked to kyron
and then he said, i got home about 2pm and terri was already home, i grabbed
food, hugged kitty,worked in office till bus time
but in a paragraph or 2 above that statement, he said he didnt know what terri
did when he wasnt at home he is at work
that terri was already home statement has always bugged me
it almost sounds like they talked on phone email, something that day
and he wasnt expecting her to be home yet, i know prob reading more
into it than is there

[Tamikosmom]

The words are the court motion - see in this article, 11th paragraph, just above bolded words "READ: Court Affidavit"

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-Terri-Hormans-sexting-mirrored-talk-with-landscaper-98369624.html

Thanks Puzzler

I was looking for that document.

Janet