Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 - 8/21/10

[klaasend]

Klaas, do you think LE is paying attention to these videos that are being posted?

I know they were told of them, whether they take then seriously or not I couldn't say.  My bet is they are taking everything serious.

[Puzzler]

Have you guys seen this comment, made by the maker of the videos, in his comment section at the link below? 

@charlisav "Thank you Charlis this whole thing has been breaking my heart since day on. It's all I do for about 10 12 hours a day scouring photos, looking for clues and discerning facts. Your efforts are appreciated. I have a little grandson named Kyron."

musicworldnewstoday1
2 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigDPJBvXRs

  

Isn't TH's second husband's father's name Charlie??  The elder Ekert is named Charlie I do believe.  And by law considering the adoption that would legally make Kyron his grandson would it not?

No. Kyron would be no relation.

You're right.  I got lost swinging in the family tree.  I'm not much of a monkey yet.

 

[Claycat]

Klaas, do you think LE is paying attention to these videos that are being posted?

I know they were told of them, whether they take then seriously or not I couldn't say.  My bet is they are taking everything serious.

Thanks!  I was hoping they were keeping track. 

I wish something would break...

[pfaubush]

I don't understand his motive for coming forward.  I mean he has been out of Dede's life for quite some time and I don't know what he thinks he is going to contribute to the investigation.  I aksed this in the question section for him.  He hasnt replied.

OK, so I totally believe there is something 'off' about JW. He did say that DS said she would never be with another man and he believed her. Didn't he also say that she got close to some man before they started dating and that DS reconnected with this man when their relationship started to go south? I've seen too many inconsistencies with this guys statements and posts. He's lost all credibility with me.

Exactly! There is only one person I could come forward and say such nasty things about them in such a manipulatively nice way...my ex-husband. It is because I'm BITTER. That would make me a lousy 'source' of information. One sided. 

[Justamama]

OK, so I totally believe there is something 'off' about JW. He did say that DS said she would never be with another man and he believed her. Didn't he also say that she got close to some man before they started dating and that DS reconnected with this man when their relationship started to go south? I've seen too many inconsistencies with this guys statements and posts. He's lost all credibility with me.

He lost all credibility with me when he insisted on blabberating on about their relationship and how he felt and her personal details.  His letter reads like a diatribe.

Actually his letter reminds me of abusive people I have known in my life who start out luring you in with compliments and then just SLAM you with some insult and then build you back up again and then SLAM you with something else.  He comes across as bitter, jealous of her being on unemployment while he toils away working like a lackey from dawn to dusk only to live off of noodles and barely any bread to eat.

The very idea that someone would go public with their relationship without the other person available to say, "Hey wait just a minute there mister, what about..." just turns me right off.

He has NOTHING to offer this investigation other than the fact that he dated her.  He didn't know KH or TH. 
The rest of it is simply his OPINION on his relationship.  He's not a psychologist and even if he was I'd think even less of him for going public with is attempt at diagnosing her with a 'downward spiral'.

When I pointed this out to him and also pointed out that he, HIMSELF was in a depressed area of his life due to the economy sure enough then the next postings I'm reading from him he's saying this as if it were all in his dialogue to begin with.

Seems to me he thought he had found a big fan base that was just waiting to hang on his every word and he was more than willing to finally get to DUMP on DeDe but he sensed things weren't going his way and changed his tune.  I don't like it.

For someone who continually writes that he's a good guy, he honest and trustworthy ect...ect...his actions are speaking otherwise.

I myself would do an in depth statement analysis of his letter but I'm sick of it already.

[pfaubush]

OK, so I totally believe there is something 'off' about JW. He did say that DS said she would never be with another man and he believed her. Didn't he also say that she got close to some man before they started dating and that DS reconnected with this man when their relationship started to go south? I've seen too many inconsistencies with this guys statements and posts. He's lost all credibility with me.

He lost all credibility with me when he insisted on blabberating on about their relationship and how he felt and her personal details.  His letter reads like a diatribe.

Actually his letter reminds me of abusive people I have known in my life who start out luring you in with compliments and then just SLAM you with some insult and then build you back up again and then SLAM you with something else.  He comes across as bitter, jealous of her being on unemployment while he toils away working like a lackey from dawn to dusk only to live off of noodles and barely any bread to eat.

The very idea that someone would go public with their relationship without the other person available to say, "Hey wait just a minute there mister, what about..." just turns me right off.

He has NOTHING to offer this investigation other than the fact that he dated her.  He didn't know KH or TH. 
The rest of it is simply his OPINION on his relationship.  He's not a psychologist and even if he was I'd think even less of him for going public with is attempt at diagnosing her with a 'downward spiral'.

When I pointed this out to him and also pointed out that he, HIMSELF was in a depressed area of his life due to the economy sure enough then the next postings I'm reading from him he's saying this as if it were all in his dialogue to begin with.

Seems to me he thought he had found a big fan base that was just waiting to hang on his every word and he was more than willing to finally get to DUMP on DeDe but he sensed things weren't going his way and changed his tune.  I don't like it.

For someone who continually writes that he's a good guy, he honest and trustworthy ect...ect...his actions are speaking otherwise.

I myself would do an in depth statement analysis of his letter but I'm sick of it already.

Those are the types of people I can't trust. When you push how great you are, you are generally the opposite and will do or say almost anything to convince people of it.

[Nana29]

Here is something I misread in the Oregonian article that became clear in the KPTV article:

Once when they were shopping online with their son, Horman walked into the room and asked what they were doing. They told her Chuck Ecker wanted to buy a boat. "She said, 'Oh, so you're spending James' inheritance,'" Mavis Ecker said. "She was serious."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Ecker didn't comment about the investigation, but said she remembered when Terri Horman accused her and her husband of spending too much money on a boat, neglecting Terri Horman's son's inheritance.
“That really took us back because we had never been around people like that before," Ecker said.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24706595/detail.html

When I first read The Oregonian I thought Terri was complaining about her own husband spending too much money. After reading both articles and realizing that Chuck is her faher-in-law (not her husband), it is clear she was saying that her inlaws were spending money James was entitled to as an inheritance. Saying that type of a comment directly to her in laws takes more body parts than I have in my possesion... 

major cajones!

[akmom]

You guys have been moving so fast I cannot catch up.  I have not heard or seen this anywhere else and I am sorry if it has been discussed, but on NG they said that they were digging in the gardens today where DeDe worked....has there been anything more on that????

[Justamama]

Do you remember, in that first video, it talked about Dr. Death and the Porn Queen?  I believe the person was talking about Terri as being the Porn Queen. 

I've been wondering who she meant as Dr. Death.  Who do you think of as Dr. Death?  Well, Hitler's Mengele came to mind.  Interestingly, Kaine's bio father was called Kurtis Mengel.  Do you think that might be an oblique reference to his family?

It was just something I was pondering. 

I had read elsewhere during a LONG and very heated discussion about this very issue.  I do think it's odd that these references were used in this video, even more odd was the fact that there is a twin/Mengele connection there.  The cosmos is VERY strange sometimes.

You are very sharp to pick up on these references.

My instinct tells me it's just Kooks making these videos.  But you just can't take anything for granted.

[Hiding Monkey]

Does anyone remember Terri suggesting that Kyron had autism?  TIA

[klaasend]

You guys have been moving so fast I cannot catch up.  I have not heard or seen this anywhere else and I am sorry if it has been discussed, but on NG they said that they were digging in the gardens today where DeDe worked....has there been anything more on that????

WOW, no I didn't hear that or read that anywhere. 

[Justamama]

OK, so I totally believe there is something 'off' about JW. He did say that DS said she would never be with another man and he believed her. Didn't he also say that she got close to some man before they started dating and that DS reconnected with this man when their relationship started to go south? I've seen too many inconsistencies with this guys statements and posts. He's lost all credibility with me.

He lost all credibility with me when he insisted on blabberating on about their relationship and how he felt and her personal details.  His letter reads like a diatribe.

Actually his letter reminds me of abusive people I have known in my life who start out luring you in with compliments and then just SLAM you with some insult and then build you back up again and then SLAM you with something else.  He comes across as bitter, jealous of her being on unemployment while he toils away working like a lackey from dawn to dusk only to live off of noodles and barely any bread to eat.

The very idea that someone would go public with their relationship without the other person available to say, "Hey wait just a minute there mister, what about..." just turns me right off.

He has NOTHING to offer this investigation other than the fact that he dated her.  He didn't know KH or TH. 
The rest of it is simply his OPINION on his relationship.  He's not a psychologist and even if he was I'd think even less of him for going public with is attempt at diagnosing her with a 'downward spiral'.

When I pointed this out to him and also pointed out that he, HIMSELF was in a depressed area of his life due to the economy sure enough then the next postings I'm reading from him he's saying this as if it were all in his dialogue to begin with.

Seems to me he thought he had found a big fan base that was just waiting to hang on his every word and he was more than willing to finally get to DUMP on DeDe but he sensed things weren't going his way and changed his tune.  I don't like it.

For someone who continually writes that he's a good guy, he honest and trustworthy ect...ect...his actions are speaking otherwise.

I myself would do an in depth statement analysis of his letter but I'm sick of it already.

Those are the types of people I can't trust. When you push how great you are, you are generally the opposite and will do or say almost anything to convince people of it.

My former brother in-law is like that.  He's been a     :smt019for the 17 or so years that I've known him and now that he's going through a nasty divorce he sees me on the street and tells me how AWFUL his soon to be ex-wife is and then adds in;
"You believe me don't you?  You believe me?"

The more he says that, the LESS I believe him.

[Justamama]

  <-----he looks like this not that other thing I just posted.  Is there an edit button on this?

[akmom]

You guys have been moving so fast I cannot catch up.  I have not heard or seen this anywhere else and I am sorry if it has been discussed, but on NG they said that they were digging in the gardens today where DeDe worked....has there been anything more on that????

WOW, no I didn't hear that or read that anywhere. 

I was so busy, I logged on quick to see if anyone was talking about it and I didn't see anyone, but then I had to leave.....I do not know how to find it online but I am sure that is what they were saying and I thought it was odd that no one caught it.

[Hiding Monkey]

I was just reading an article and went to read comments.  See what was posted by Lynne Terry of the Oregonian in response to a prior blogger on previous page.  I've copied it for you along with the link to the page.  Correct me if I did this wrong.

bisou73 -

The article does not mention anything about ADD/ADHD but rather Terri Horman suggested after Kyron went missing that he might have a form of autism, according to Kaine Horman and Desiree Young.
On the Facebook page, I follow a lot of blogs covering a range of views.

Lynne Terry
The Oregonian


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman/4053/comments-7.html

[Claycat]

Do you remember, in that first video, it talked about Dr. Death and the Porn Queen?  I believe the person was talking about Terri as being the Porn Queen. 

I've been wondering who she meant as Dr. Death.  Who do you think of as Dr. Death?  Well, Hitler's Mengele came to mind.  Interestingly, Kaine's bio father was called Kurtis Mengel.  Do you think that might be an oblique reference to his family?

It was just something I was pondering. 

I had read elsewhere during a LONG and very heated discussion about this very issue.  I do think it's odd that these references were used in this video, even more odd was the fact that there is a twin/Mengele connection there.  The cosmos is VERY strange sometimes.

You are very sharp to pick up on these references.

My instinct tells me it's just Kooks making these videos.  But you just can't take anything for granted.

Thanks, Justamama!  It's nice of you to say I'm sharp!  That sounds sweet to these 60 year old ears. 

The cosmos is strange, as you say.  I think the person making the videos cares about Kyron, but the videos come off so cryptic!  Unless the person has real, solid information, they just confuse the issue. 

I feel that people should be straightforward about what they want to say.  I don't like it when people play mind games.

[Scatty]

You guys have been moving so fast I cannot catch up.  I have not heard or seen this anywhere else and I am sorry if it has been discussed, but on NG they said that they were digging in the gardens today where DeDe worked....has there been anything more on that????

  The one day I don't watch NG and ...

[Kat_Gram]

You guys have been moving so fast I cannot catch up.  I have not heard or seen this anywhere else and I am sorry if it has been discussed, but on NG they said that they were digging in the gardens today where DeDe worked....has there been anything more on that????

WOW, no I didn't hear that or read that anywhere. 

I did. They said searching, I believe. Westwind ?
DeDe said she was there all day, never left the property. What she didn't say was : Did Terri show up there ? Did she see Terri that day ? Did Terri know what DeDe was doing that week ?  There are so many places on Germantown Road besides Westwind. They also said Dede refused to take a lie detector. But, then it was the NG show, they always have to sex it up for the ratings.

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[klaasend]

You guys have been moving so fast I cannot catch up.  I have not heard or seen this anywhere else and I am sorry if it has been discussed, but on NG they said that they were digging in the gardens today where DeDe worked....has there been anything more on that????

WOW, no I didn't hear that or read that anywhere. 

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/20/ng.01.html

GRACE: And breaking tonight, live, rural Oregon. Stepmommy walks a 7-year-old boy down the hall of his elementary school. He`s never seen again. Police insist that stepmommy take a second poly. In a stunning twist, 7-year-old Kyron`s dad files for divorce in secret. The court slams stepmommy Terri Horman with an emergency order to stay away from her own children. Bio mom pleads for stepmommy Horman to please, please help police.

In another bizarre twist, we learn stepmommy tries to hire a hit man to murder Kyron`s father, her husband, and carries on a torrid sex affair after Kyron goes missing, even sending X-rated photos to the lover.

Breaking tonight. Police try their best to ID an accomplice spotted in stepmommy`s truck the day Kyron goes missing and now investigating a third accomplice. We learn stepmommy so concerned about police tapping her home, she goes out in the yard to talk, even has friends use disposable cell phones. If she`s so innocent, what`s there to hide?

Now her friends refuse lie detector tests. And also, somebody tell me where does stepmommy Terri Horman get nearly a half a million dollars cash? How -- how -- does a 7-year-old boy go missing from his own elementary school classroom?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kyron`s disappearance involves criminal behavior.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Investigators have focused intently on Kyron`s stepmother, Terri Horman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Dede Spicher...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dede Spicher is a very close friend of Terri Horman.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s become a new focus of the Kyron investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Dede Spicher...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) developments, the woman the Hormans say refuses to cooperate with the search for their son, Kyron...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... that mother`s friend...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dede Spicher, one of Kyron`s stepmom`s friends, was gardening the day Kyron vanished.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s obviously very suspicious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... significant process...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) opinion, I hope Terri Horman is arrested. And her friends that are involved, they need to speak up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We love you, Kyron.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know if Terri is hiding something? Were you with her on June 4th?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The key date is June 4th.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Never give up hope! We are all coming to get you to bring you home.



(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Terri, do you know where Kyron is?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Terri Horman has been under intense scrutiny since Kyron disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Can you please tell the world something?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A new lead prompts a massive search.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Authorities handed out flyers here with Dede Spicher`s picture on it and Terri Horman`s picture on it.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Stepmom and her friend unaccounted for for several key hours that fateful day.

KAINE HORMAN, FATHER OF MISSING 7-YR-OLD BOY, KYRON HORMAN: We don`t know where he is. And we need to keep looking.

DESIREE YOUNG, MOTHER OF MISSING 7-YR-OLD BOY, KYRON HORMAN: I don`t know that I`m getting through it. I know that I just -- I`m trying to take it each day at a time.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A witness claims Terri displayed some odd behavior during an encounter the day Kyron went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Holes in Terri Horman`s timeline.

HORMAN: Come forward. Bring it forward. It may be uncomfortable.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They believe that Terri Horman has these answers.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The parents believe that perhaps Terri might be stashing the boy. The father thinks that perhaps she`s executing a plot.

HORMAN: Put yourself in his shoes for two minutes. Makes you really emotional, I mean. He`s afraid.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: You know I don`t understand it. Out to you, Ellie Jostad. The mom is so worried police are tapping her home, that she goes out into the yard to have conversations with stepmom?

If she`s innocent what does she care if police hear her talking about what she`s cooking for dinner or what time she has to go to work or whatever? Who cares?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Well, this is coming from Dede Spicher. Now that`s the friend of the stepmom`s. She`s the woman who`s on that flyer with the stepmom Terri Horman that they were passing out to residents saying, did you see these two women that morning?

Now Spicher says that she stayed with Terri Horman, the stepmom, for 11 days and she says that whenever they wanted to talk about something they would go out into the yard because they assumed that they were being surveilled.

GRACE: To CW Jensen, retired Portland police captain. You know, CW, I don`t buy it. Who, if they don`t have anything to hide, gets their friends to all buy disposable cell phones like terrorists and drug dealers use?

And who goes out in the front yard to talk? I don`t buy it. And now we`ve got these text messages. I`ve got them right here in my hands where she`s writing her alleged lover, who becomes her lover right after the little boy goes missing -- you can see where her head was.

That she paid her lawyer 350 grand -- $350,000. Now where did she get nearly $500,000, CW Jensen?

CW JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: Well, what most people believe is that her parents, who were involved in the educational system in a town in southern Oregon, have some money.

Generally, I would assume that when people are in this kind of a situation, they go to friends. They go to relatives. And I believe that probably the parents are giving her some money.

Does she need all $350,000 right now? Probably not but she needs a lot to keep this thing going. And why do you go outside to talk to people? It`s because you`re guilty.

GRACE: You know, the other thing, now we learn that the best friend Dede Spicher refuses to take a polygraph.

Why, Jensen? Why? Even if I was afraid I`d flunk it because I was nervous and whatever -- although we know that everybody is nervous when you take a polygraph, everybody. Even if you`re telling the truth. That does not affect a polygraph just being nervous.

She refuses a polygraph. Why?

JENSEN: I`m sure that her attorney has told her don`t cooperate with the police in that kind of a thing. Don`t take a polygraph. It`s just going to make you look that much worse.

So she has an attorney. She knows that they`re looking at her. Everybody in the community knows.

GRACE: Why would a polygraph make her look that much worse, CW? I don`t agree. I mean, yes, you`re saying that`s what the lawyer said. But to me your willingness to take a polygraph would show you have nothing to hide.

JENSEN: Well, I think that if people have nothing to hide, in my experience as an investigator, they take polygraphs. There`s one reason why you don`t want to take it. It`s because you think you`re going to look bad.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Adrian in Illinois, hi, Adrian.

ADRIAN, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy. How are you doing?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

ADRIAN: Well, for one, I`m sorry to hear about your foot.

GRACE: Thank you.

ADRIAN: And I was wondering. You know, I think Terri, for one, is as guilty as hell. And second of all, I don`t understand why -- what makes someone -- for one -- put out a contract on her husband and then all of a sudden his child is missing and she`s the last one to see him?

If she`s that unhappy, why not just get out of it? I mean I`ve never seen that woman once show a bit of emotion about anything.

GRACE: Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session," how many times have you and I seen women and men, as opposed to getting a divorce, they commit murder?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": That`s right. And when you talk about motive, you know, some e-mails have come out. She had a son, an older son that went to live with her parents a few months before.

E-mails have come out saying that he was doing so much better when he wasn`t in the presence of Kyron.

GRACE: Now I don`t understand that. What does that mean, Dr. Bethany?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": I don`t quite understand that one, to be quite honest with you. But to go to the caller`s question I think that Terri may have had, like, a borderline personality disorder which causes extreme --

GRACE: There you go again.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: You say that every -- you know, do you think everybody out there has a personality disorder?

MARSHALL: Well, most --

GRACE: Do you think you have a personality disorder? I mean because every time I ask you something you say they`ve got a borderline personality disorder.

MARSHALL: Well, Nancy, something is really wrong with someone who puts a hit -- tries to get a hit-man to kill her husband and then does away with her child but -- because with borderline there is such extreme ragefulness and there`s lack of a conscience and at the slightest insult they really want to do away with people.

There is a callousness and a coldness. And that`s why I think about borderline.

GRACE: You know, very quickly, Marc Klaas, what do you make of it? This is your expertise?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, I don`t believe that there`s a grand conspiracy afoot here at all. I don`t believe that Terri was working with other people to get rid of Kyron.

That would make sense if there was possibly some kind of a ransom demand. But I think that this was something much more nefarious and much more sinister than that and as such I believe that possibly she was working with one other person, certainly no more than that in whatever it is that she did after 8:45 that morning. On June 4th.

GRACE: Speaking of the timeline. Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer, I understand the timeline has been narrowed. Explain.

JOSTAD: That`s right. It`s actually been narrowed down to between 10:15 and 11:30. That`s the period of time that both Dede Spicher and Terri Horman cannot be accounted for.

Now we know a little bit later Terri Horman went in and checked in at her gym at 11:39. We also know Dede Spicher was apparently seen back on her job gardening at 1:00 but there`s this little window where they can`t figure out where either of them were.

GRACE: OK. We are taking your calls. Very quickly, Sheryl McCollum, what do you make of this?

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST, DIR. OF COLD CASE SQUAD AT PINE LAKE P.D.: Nancy, the problem with this case is it`s revenge. She attempted to have the husband murdered. She was sexting his best friend from high school. She attempted to do something with Kyron, kidnapping at the very least.

And then she tried to get the other daughter from day care. She is going after this husband in every way that she can. It is revengeful. There`s never going to be a ransom note. It`s not about money. Ever.

GRACE: And still no sign of little Kyron.

Tonight, the latest developments in the search for 7-year-old Kyron. We learn step-mommy is so afraid police are listening she goes outside in the front yard to have conversations, asking her friends to use portable disposable cell phones.

Quick break. Happy birthday to Georgia friend, defense lawyer Peter Odom.

Happy birthday to Hardwick Butler, a local Boy Scout leader for years.

Happy birthday, Mr. Butler.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

YOUNG: My theory is that Kyron is alive.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Terri Horman has been the subject of a lot of speculation.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Holes in Terri Horman`s timeline.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Searchers return to wooded areas and open fields several miles south of Skyline School.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The area is where Dede Spicher, one of Kyron`s stepmom`s friends, was gardening the day Kyron vanished.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s obviously very suspicious.

HORMAN: A minute away was awful enough. To be this far along and have him not home is terrible.

YOUNG: Someone`s holding him.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: No criminal charges have been filed. No suspects have been named.

YOUNG: I just have a feeling that somebody`s holding him.

HORMAN: I wish there were a lot of things that were different so that I could take on the burden that he`s going through right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kyron`s disappearance involves criminal behavior.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Investigators have focused intently on the stepmother Terri Horman.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dede Spicher.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Dede Spicher is a very close friend of Terri Horman.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She`s become a new focus of the Kyron investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Dede Spicher.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Significant developments.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The woman the Hormans say refuses to cooperate with the search for their son Kyron.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stepmother`s friend.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Dede Spicher, one of Kyron`s stepmom`s friends, was gardening the day Kyron vanished.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s obviously very suspicious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Significant progress.

YOUNG: In my opinion I hope Terri Horman is arrested and her friends that are involved, they need to speak up.

We love you, Kyron.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Do you know if Terri is hiding something? Were you with her on June 4th?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The key date is June 4th.

YOUNG: Never give up hope. We are all coming to get you to bring you home.

(END OF VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Holly in Georgia. Hi, Holly.

HOLLY, CALLER FROM GEORGIA: Hi, Nancy. I watch you every night and I love your book.

GRACE: Thank you. Thank you.

HOLLY: You`re welcome. I`m just wondering if they found Kyron`s body, what condition would it be in at this point?

GRACE: To Dr. Michael Arnall, board-certified forensic pathologist out of Denver? What about it, Doctor?

DR. MICHAEL ARNALL, BOARD CERTIFIED FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: After this period of time if the body has been exposed to the air, there may be significant decomposition even animal predation. But if a body is buried you might be surprised at how well the body has been preserved.

GRACE: Hmm. If the body is buried. Why is that, Doctor?

ARNALL: When the body is buried, it`s in an environment where insects may not be able to get to it and animals may not be able to get to it. Now it will slowly be degraded by bacteria, but without animal predation and insects, the body may be preserved.

GRACE: It`s so hard to look at this little boy with his thick little glasses and imagine that he is buried somewhere.

What about if he`s in water, Dr. Arnall?

ARNALL: If he`s in water, in a summer environment, then there`s going to be insects in the water. There`s going to be predation by invertebrates and there could be extensive degradation of the tissue.

GRACE: To Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session," you said something earlier that to me just hat ran a chill down my spine. You said that the stepmother says that her husband Kaine Horman is so much worse when he is around little Kyron.

How can you be worse when you`re around your child? I don`t understand that.

CASAREZ: Well, I think what she was saying was that her older son was getting D`s in school but when he went to live with his grandparents that he started getting A`s because he wasn`t around Kyron, the little boy, Kyron. So they had problems.

GRACE: Oh, I see. I understand now. I got it.

Marc Klaas, try to put the pieces together.

KLAAS: Well, I believe that Terri is absolutely involved in this. Her timeline has never made any kind of sense.

I do not for a minute believe that there is a grand conspiracy, that maybe she was working with one other person. That`s a possibility.

I believe that the little boy is not alive, but I understand why the parents say that he is alive. They really have no alternative but to do that. They have to keep hope alive. And I think that this case may go unsolved unless Terri breaks.

GRACE: To CW Jensen. Now we understand cops have been digging in a garden for Kyron`s body. Where is the garden and why digging there?

JENSEN: This is significant. Dede Spicher was gardening at an estate on June 4th and then she disappeared for a period of time. So they went to that estate and they`ve done some significant searches there, I think, to look not only for the possibility of Kyron but the possibility that other evidence might have been buried by Dede Spicher.

And one thing that I think everybody needs to realize is we focus on Dede Spicher disappeared for a period of time. Terri Horman disappeared for a period of time. But remember so did Kyron Horman and only two of those people have ever shown up again.

GRACE: You know, they`ve also searched other locations that relate to the best friend Dede Spicher, CW Jensen. Where?

JENSEN: They didn`t search her home and seized evidence there. What they`ve done is they`ve tried to figure out where these women went and on the best kind of guess they can, go to those areas and search.

I think that we`ll probably see more searches in the future as they continue with this case. We may be in a period of time where we won`t hear a lot. But believe me, the investigators are working very, very hard to find this little boy and to solve this case.

GRACE: Ellie Jostad, didn`t they also search Dede Spicher`s mom`s condo or something like that?

JOSTAD: Yes, it was actually her aunt`s home, Nancy.

GRACE: Yes.

JOSTAD: Reportedly that was one of the other locations that they checked because Dede Spicher had lived there for some time.

GRACE: OK. What about the divorce? What are we learning from the divorce filings and statements related to the divorce?

JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, Kaine Horman wants this divorce to go forward but Terri Horman is asking for it to be stayed. She says because of all the negative attention, all the negative media reports that she can`t possibly -- that her lawyer can`t handle the divorce case right now.

GRACE: Why? What`s her reasoning?

JOSTAD: Well, I guess what they`re trying to say is that they think this should be stayed or put in abatement until after the criminal case is settled. But Kaine Horman`s lawyers are saying we don`t know when the criminal aspects of this case are ever going to be resolved so we need to go through with the divorce case now.

GRACE: Well, Renee Rockwell, Alex Sanchez, it`s not like she`s named a defendant or a suspect. She has no Fifth Amendment immunity so why can`t the divorce go forward, Rockwell?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, because they`re going to want to depose her and start asking her questions. She has a lawyer to the tune of $350,000 so I`m sure he`s giving her some very good advice that they don`t need --

GRACE: Right.

ROCKWELL: -- to put her in any kind of witness position.

GRACE: OK. Sanchez?

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. She doesn`t want to get on the witness stand and stop making statements.

GRACE: OK.

SANCHEZ: Which the police could use to implicate her in these offenses. It`s as simple as that.

GRACE: I don`t think they need a whole lot of help.

Out to the lines. Linda, Missouri, hi, dear.

LINDA, CALLER FROM MISSOURI: I was calling to see if they actually sent the dogs out to track if there was --

GRACE: Mm-hmm. What about it, Jean Casarez?

CASAREZ: Dogs everywhere. And in that garden area where the garden party was going to be the next day, they`ve gone neighborhood to neighborhood, resident to resident with pictures of Terri and Dede asking them if they saw them or the truck.