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Author Topic: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 - 8/21/10  (Read 221856 times)
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« Reply #800 on: August 21, 2010, 10:30:01 AM »

"That makes Desiree a liar then.  Hmmmm......"




No it doesn't.

The fact that they don't agree about their status during that time just shows how estranged they were. They couldn't communicate clearly about what their intentions were during that time. Obviously Kaine thought he was just living with Desiree to support her during the
pregnancy, and she apparently was hoping for more. They were in the middle of a divorce, after all, and I doubt Kyron was a planned baby. The fact that Kaine sees things differently than she does just means that they were each in a different place. He obviously had accepted that the end of their marriage had already taken place, and she was not that far along. Plus, being pregnant just makes the end of a marriage harder to take.

 

I think it is a huge thing.  How the heck can someone not know if you are in a marriage or not?  Desiree's statement and Kaine's statement are mutually exclusive.

 

He either cheated or he didn't cheat.  Was he married or wasn't he married.  Is she a little bit pregnant and he is a little bit married?





They were already divorcing, and he would've been gone if DY hadn't discovered she was pregnant. It's a different situation, because they were already calling it quits.  He said straight out that it was his understanding that the marriage was over, and he made a point of correcting her more than once.
It's obvious that they were estranged.

Since he denies having an affair, it's not exactly a done deal that he had one. There are always two sides to a divorce.



From my notes:

The story dates to 2000, when Desiree married Kaine Horman. The couple's relationship quickly soured, however, and they planned to separate, but then Desiree got pregnant. So, they gave it another shot. But in August 2002, when Desiree was eight months pregnant, she filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences.

Kyron was born Sept. 9, 2002, and Kaine and Desiree were officially divorced in 2003. Kaine and Desiree shared custody, but Kyron mostly lived with Desiree until 2004, when she went to Canada after suffering kidney failure.

Kyron moved in full time with his dad, now 36, an engineer at Intel.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

I believe Terri and Kaine were going to split then Terri got pergnant so they stayed together same story different woman.

Yes, that is what I was trying to figure out.  But, I thought Kaine at that time said he did not know there was anything wrong.  That is one of the reasons I wanted to find out historically, who was the better historian.

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« Reply #801 on: August 21, 2010, 10:46:42 AM »

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« Reply #802 on: August 21, 2010, 10:48:43 AM »

I just read all the posts from Jason on his thread  I'm not sure what to think, it almost sounds like he has an idea where Kyron is, but can't tell if he is being serious or not    I never thought for a minute he had anything to do with this, but he sounds like he is trying to put himself in the middle of it. Did anyone else feel that way?
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« Reply #803 on: August 21, 2010, 10:52:25 AM »

  Good Morning sunny Monkey's

 Where you are Kyron ??

I was thinking about Kyron's school. I am sure this has been posted but ... anyway again the schedule for Kyron's school. 

    *  August 16 -- Skyline office reopens for fall term
    * August 29 (Sunday) -- Community Care Day  (9-noon)  Come help us get the school ready for the new year.  Volunteer opportunities include painting, yard work, etc.
    * September 6 -- Labor Day Holiday (schools and offices closed)
    * September 7 -- (Tuesday) First Day of School for students
    * September 22 -- Two hour late opening
    * October 8 -- Statewide Inservice Day (no school for students)
    * October 13 -- Two hour late opening
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Kyron's Birthday is Sept 7, 2010 ~ First day of School .. sigh. Let' us pray he will be found by then. 

So it shows that the school has been open to staff since the 16th. That means the school is no longer a crime scene?? now that bodies have been roaming around and working within the school... since the 16th and will continue for the rest of the school year..
I would imagine they went through the school, several times, with a fine tooth comb. I wonder if they/LE tried taking a group of kids " who were at school / 4th" and  if they did a walk through within the school with them ..to see if memories could be jarred ... on the 5th, 6th ?? 
If they did that with Teachers even ..leaving the kids out of it.  Just thinking out loud. Seems like anything could help. Possibly even trigger a memory .. a tip or a lead.
I wonder if they will have staff available for the kids, in case they have a rough first day/week - thinking about their school/or Kyron .. being the last place Kyron was at .. Sad
I hope they will have staff available.
 http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/
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« Reply #804 on: August 21, 2010, 10:53:36 AM »

Deenie I don't remember what article but I believe that I read there will be people available to help the students.
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« Reply #805 on: August 21, 2010, 10:55:57 AM »

I just read all the posts from Jason on his thread  I'm not sure what to think, it almost sounds like he has an idea where Kyron is, but can't tell if he is being serious or not    I never thought for a minute he had anything to do with this, but he sounds like he is trying to put himself in the middle of it. Did anyone else feel that way?

I read his quote of "this will bring Kyron home", or something like that... to answering in a sarcastic mode that answering the question has nothing to do with bringing Kyron home.

Even if the grandpa, or dad were involved in the crime, doesn't mean the guy is bad, or that he has done anything wrong.

If we are going to think of him as the likes of his father, then we should deem Kaine also a pedophile because his brother has been convicted of that.

NOT that I'm saying Kaine is... just an example.

I just don't like the way the guy was treated. But, I'll shut up. I've said my peace.

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« Reply #806 on: August 21, 2010, 10:59:25 AM »

I just read all the posts from Jason on his thread  I'm not sure what to think, it almost sounds like he has an idea where Kyron is, but can't tell if he is being serious or not    I never thought for a minute he had anything to do with this, but he sounds like he is trying to put himself in the middle of it. Did anyone else feel that way?

IMO, Jason has no idea what happened to Kyron.  He was DeDe's boyfriend for a short period of time and only inserted himself into the case to defend someone he felt he knew. 

People need to stop "reading between the lines" because usually there is NOTHING there.
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« Reply #807 on: August 21, 2010, 11:01:28 AM »

I just read all the posts from Jason on his thread  I'm not sure what to think, it almost sounds like he has an idea where Kyron is, but can't tell if he is being serious or not    I never thought for a minute he had anything to do with this, but he sounds like he is trying to put himself in the middle of it. Did anyone else feel that way?

I read his quote of "this will bring Kyron home", or something like that... to answering in a sarcastic mode that answering the question has nothing to do with bringing Kyron home.

Even if the grandpa, or dad were involved in the crime, doesn't mean the guy is bad, or that he has done anything wrong.

If we are going to think of him as the likes of his father, then we should deem Kaine also a pedophile because his brother has been convicted of that.

NOT that I'm saying Kaine is... just an example.

I just don't like the way the guy was treated. But, I'll shut up. I've said my peace.


Thank-you, I wasn't sure how to take that. All I did was read the posts. I don't know if is dad is a child pornographer, but seriously if he were, I know that my answer would be no, can't imagine him wanting to open that disgusting can of worms. I see him as someone that injects themselves into a crime, and it seems there are people that sure do this for whatever reason.
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« Reply #808 on: August 21, 2010, 11:02:01 AM »

I just read all the posts from Jason on his thread  I'm not sure what to think, it almost sounds like he has an idea where Kyron is, but can't tell if he is being serious or not    I never thought for a minute he had anything to do with this, but he sounds like he is trying to put himself in the middle of it. Did anyone else feel that way?

IMO, Jason has no idea what happened to Kyron.  He was DeDe's boyfriend for a short period of time and only inserted himself into the case to defend someone he felt he knew. 

People need to stop "reading between the lines" because usually there is NOTHING there.
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« Reply #809 on: August 21, 2010, 11:10:12 AM »

Klaas, The article you posted last night -
http://www.katu.com/news/local/101210534.html

McIntyre was a senior member of the Multnomah County District Attorney’s office when the case of David Waldron was concluded.
Waldron agreed to a sentence of six years for the death of his wife Barbara though her body had not been found. “I did not want to put my family, particularly my children, through the ordeal of a trial,” Waldron said on May 12, 2005.

The Waldrons lived south of Kyron’s school, Skyline School, on Skyline Boulevard. Multnomah searchers at the time combed the same forest where they searched for clues in the Kyron case just two weeks ago. The Waldron case even involved the same judge who’s now hearing Kaine and Terri Horman’s divorce case.
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I found this article on the Waldron Case written in 2004 explaining the Case -very sick uck http://www.bahaindex.com/en/news/1-general-news/3526-judge-refuses-bail-for-portland-husband-accused-of-murder

Waldron uncooperative/lied to LE ( very disturbing article talking of their marriage) was found Guilty- given 6 yr sentence for Murdering his Wife/no body found. It does state in this article that the Judge on the Waldron's case is Circuit Judge Michael Marcus - Multnohmah County. ( since MacIntyre said that the same Judge is handling KH/TH's Divorce - I am guessing this is the right Judge). The link is his Bio. 
http://courts.oregon.gov/sites/Multnomah/General_Info/Judges/Marcus/Judge_Marcus_Biography.page

I don't understand being the Judge on a high profile murder case, and yet he handles divorces too? Or is it that Kaine/Terri's divorce is including criminal activity that are within the divorce? ( her Plot to Hire Kill Kaine) what a hot mess.
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« Reply #810 on: August 21, 2010, 11:14:07 AM »



http://www.justia.com/family/divorce/docs/ending-a-marriage-faq.html

A legal separation does not end the marriage and both spouses are prohibited from remarrying or entering into a domestic partnership with another person.



You are misunderstanding their status. A legal separation is just that. A separation with no filing of divorce. This what the Gores have done. It's not a filing for the dissolution of a marriage.

When a divorce is filed, that means the marriage is over and both parties can move on after the filing date. Kaine and Desiree were divorcing, but then she discovered the pregnancy. That is a different legal status.

I have no doubt that if he'd left as he originally intended, people would rip him apart for that too.

As for the pregnancy....I do not for one minute believe they were planning a baby in the midst of their marital turmoil. But they did seem happy to have him once he was here.

Both of them love Kyron,and they have worked together to raise him. Not just Desiree...Kaine too. They both seem like nice, decent, hardworking people. And I bet Kyron would hate to see his daddy constantly trashed on the internet.



I have to disagree.  I believe it is when a divorce is granted, not just filed for.  When did Kaine and Desiree file for divorce?  I am merely looking for a link.  Please.




Nope. Once a divorce is filed the parties can date. They can't marry until the divorce is finalized, and for a specific time afterward unless they remarry each other.

In the state of Oregon, you can remarry the day after your divorce is final. It is different in different states. A brush up of your facts may be in order.
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« Reply #811 on: August 21, 2010, 11:16:08 AM »

Deenie I don't remember what article but I believe that I read there will be people available to help the students.
Hi NoRose ..that is good to hear. I think that the first week is going to be rough on the kids. Especially the kids from his class ((( let us hope that Kyron is Found by first day of School )))
I pray that the Media leaves the kids alone/first day of school etc. Enough is Enough already. Kids do not know how to absorb all this ..its too hard on them. 
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« Reply #812 on: August 21, 2010, 11:17:16 AM »

I just read all the posts from Jason on his thread  I'm not sure what to think, it almost sounds like he has an idea where Kyron is, but can't tell if he is being serious or not    I never thought for a minute he had anything to do with this, but he sounds like he is trying to put himself in the middle of it. Did anyone else feel that way?

IMO, Jason has no idea what happened to Kyron.  He was DeDe's boyfriend for a short period of time and only inserted himself into the case to defend someone he felt he knew. 

People need to stop "reading between the lines" because usually there is NOTHING there.
I agree. There is likely nothing to be gleaned there nor in interviews with the ex's in Terri's life. A good portion of discussion has been on people's differences in child rearing and opinions on such which surely isn't helping find Kyron either. Maybe the only thing that we can glean is some associate of these people who would fit into a plausible scenario for taking Kyron, and that takes research, not comparing ethics and opinions on who thinks who is a biatch/jerk for whatever reasons.
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« Reply #813 on: August 21, 2010, 11:18:42 AM »

Thanks Deenie
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« Reply #814 on: August 21, 2010, 11:18:56 AM »

Deenie I don't remember what article but I believe that I read there will be people available to help the students.
Hi NoRose ..that is good to hear. I think that the first week is going to be rough on the kids. Especially the kids from his class ((( let us hope that Kyron is Found by first day of School )))
I pray that the Media leaves the kids alone/first day of school etc. Enough is Enough already. Kids do not know how to absorb all this ..its too hard on them. 
There is so much to read, and I don't save things like others, so I'm sure someone will have the article about this.
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« Reply #815 on: August 21, 2010, 11:19:19 AM »

I just read all the posts from Jason on his thread  I'm not sure what to think, it almost sounds like he has an idea where Kyron is, but can't tell if he is being serious or not    I never thought for a minute he had anything to do with this, but he sounds like he is trying to put himself in the middle of it. Did anyone else feel that way?

I read his quote of "this will bring Kyron home", or something like that... to answering in a sarcastic mode that answering the question has nothing to do with bringing Kyron home.

Even if the grandpa, or dad were involved in the crime, doesn't mean the guy is bad, or that he has done anything wrong.

If we are going to think of him as the likes of his father, then we should deem Kaine also a pedophile because his brother has been convicted of that.

NOT that I'm saying Kaine is... just an example.

I just don't like the way the guy was treated. But, I'll shut up. I've said my peace.



I think it needed to be put to rest one way or another because it was here and on his thread a lot.  You are right, you are not who your father is.  I think people are trying to figure out where Terri and/or Dede may have met up with a nefarious character along the way.  I do not mean Jason.

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« Reply #816 on: August 21, 2010, 11:22:22 AM »

Yes, you are not who your father is, and seriously IF that is what his father did, who would want to admit this? 
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« Reply #817 on: August 21, 2010, 11:33:28 AM »

Yes, you are not who your father is, and seriously IF that is what his father did, who would want to admit this? 

Do you think there is a third person involved in this?  Or if Dede was not the one near the truck, a second person involved and where do you think Terri and/or Dede met up with this person?  Terri certainly lived a double life. 

I am not organized enough to juggle 2 or more men.

 





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« Reply #818 on: August 21, 2010, 11:35:36 AM »

Yes, you are not who your father is, and seriously IF that is what his father did, who would want to admit this? 

Do you think there is a third person involved in this?  Or if Dede was not the one near the truck, a second person involved and where do you think Terri and/or Dede met up with this person?  Terri certainly lived a double life. 

I am not organized enough to juggle 2 or more men.

 






I am just lost in all of this, just don't know anymore, have thought of different scenarios. Blink really thinks that the landscaper has something to do with this, and at this point it would make the most sense. A vendetta against Terri?
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« Reply #819 on: August 21, 2010, 11:36:18 AM »

Or it could be as simple as Terri did this all on her own 
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