Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 - 8/21/10

[no rose colored glasses]

What if Terri didn't carry this out..but instead someone did this to get even with Terri?

Suppose someone from her past who she blackmailed or double crossed..showed up , like in the sting..but instead of taking care of Kaine..they decided Kyron was the easier target with the child porn and child traficking market in Portland?

When I see photos of Terri at the first press conferences she looksguilty..as though she brought this upon them, and she looks scared.  And DDS said Terri and her family is scared for her.  Suppose that part is true?  Suppose that she hooked up with the wrong people and the plan she had with them changed..and this was their way of extracting what they wanted?

I still say LE is handling this more like a kidnapping for ransom then a murder investigation.  Living with the family, tapping phones, bugging the house, probably bugged the cars.  If you were innocent none of that would bother you..it bothered Terri plenty...she didn't even take the Mustang when she left because she knew it would be bugged and also have tracking devices...................yet she just couldn't help herself and went back to her old ways of sexting...that time MC.

Only Terri knows what lead up to this..she may not know exactly who took Kyron and what happened from that point on..but she does know what her actions and contacts have now cost her..everything.

A page or two back I posted if the landscaper or I guess anyone for that matter had a vendetta against Terri. She could have definitely hooked up with the wrong people.

[Deenie]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
This article of inside the life of Terri ...
All that is written of her, how Kyron came into her life and the relationship she had with him. 
In the spring of 2002, In mid-June, a seven-month substitute teacher's job at Lenox Elementary School ended. That same month, she met Kaine Horman at a restaurant when he was out with friends and the two started dating.
I was wrong on Kyron's Birthday - it is Sept 9. - Born 9/9/2002.
So according to this article TH and KH met in June of 2002. ( this is not my concern/of affair etc)
Desiree had primary custody of Kyron after her divorce with Kaine in early 2003.
In 2004, when Desiree moved to Canada to seek medical treatment, Kaine gained custody of his son. He said he was primary caretaker, dropping Kyron off at day care and picking him up.

At the time, Terri was living in a condo in Beaverton with her son. James, who was 8, remembers Kaine bringing Kyron over to the condo as a tiny baby.
In mid-December 2002, Terri and James moved into his house in Aloha, Kaine said.
Terri told Lynn Heidebrecht, who lived across the street, that she moved into the house to help care for Kyron. Heidebrecht, whose own marriage was falling apart, found Terri to be comforting and a good listener.
( that was a pretty quick decision to make as a Mom, to bring your 8 yr old son into Man's home, that you have only known for 6 mos - they met in June and moved in by Dec 02? And Too it was risk that Kaine took, moving a Woman/her son into his home, knowing he had and Infant Kyron at the time * unless Terri was at risk of losing her Condo and Kaine said you can stay here/take care of Kyron ?) It still does not make sense to me. 2004 Kaine was given custody of Kyron. Him primary care taker and utilizing " Day Care" for Kyron ..dropping him off/picking him up. Then the article ( as you see above) Terri and James moved in with Kaine Dec 2002 in the Aloha house. Why then would Kyron require full time day care or day care in 2004? I thought that was the reason of why Terri moved in with Kaine?
Terri was the first to recognize that Kyron needed glasses, James said, and taught him sign language by the time he was 6 months so she could communicate with him. That would have been March 2003, Kyron being 6 mos old. Does not state though when Kyron had prescription glasses. Was it when he was 6 mos old? What that says to me is that Terri was very close to Kyron at 6 mos of age. That she was teaching him sign language and feeling he needed his eye's checked.
Article: Mom talks about 6 mos old Daughter needing prescription glasses
http://www.mamapedia.com/article/6-month-old-with-strabismus

According the the article it says Terri was going to School -2003.
In 2003, Terri earned a master's of art education from Pacific University in Forest Grove and was an on-call teacher for the Hillsboro School District, remaining available as a sub until 2006. She was living with Kaine, having her Education paid for by her Ex Husband ?
In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support. 2003 A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

This Gal knows how to manipulate Men. jmo. Using children to get what she wants $$$.
She is a planner, for sure. She had it all locked up.  That is why I do not understand Her?
Why not Divorce Kaine? Take him for a ride and walk away. She has done it to everyone else.
The only thing I can think of is that Kaine is broke. That he has credit debt up the wazoo and no equity within the house.

Look at the Dates, Divorced from Ecker January 2002, Met Kaine June 2002, Living with Kaine by Dec, 2002. Not much down time.. and she was still being paid by Ecker for Child support and even having it raised to 550.00 a month - not yet a year later. What happened to the Chubby restaurant money lawsuit ? I wonder? or is it in a Trust? Or is the Money " 250K" that her Parents had put away in a CD or ? that it gained enough interest to date ..it is now being paid to Houze?  

That her brain works on instant gratifications and she is not willing to " assimilate" and be perceived by the Jones next door/her peers/family .. that she again would be a complete an utter failure ( in her mind) so she was going out with a Bang. Literally. Kaine being the Target. Failed. Yet, there is Kryon, the next best thing to hurting Kaine, cutting him/KH off at the knees.. 
 

[seahorse]

What if Terri didn't carry this out..but instead someone did this to get even with Terri?

Suppose someone from her past who she blackmailed or double crossed..showed up , like in the sting..but instead of taking care of Kaine..they decided Kyron was the easier target with the child porn and child traficking market in Portland?

When I see photos of Terri at the first press conferences she looksguilty..as though she brought this upon them, and she looks scared.  And DDS said Terri and her family is scared for her.  Suppose that part is true?  Suppose that she hooked up with the wrong people and the plan she had with them changed..and this was their way of extracting what they wanted?

I still say LE is handling this more like a kidnapping for ransom then a murder investigation.  Living with the family, tapping phones, bugging the house, probably bugged the cars.  If you were innocent none of that would bother you..it bothered Terri plenty...she didn't even take the Mustang when she left because she knew it would be bugged and also have tracking devices...................yet she just couldn't help herself and went back to her old ways of sexting...that time MC.

Only Terri knows what lead up to this..she may not know exactly who took Kyron and what happened from that point on..but she does know what her actions and contacts have now cost her..everything.

A page or two back I posted if the landscaper or I guess anyone for that matter had a vendetta against Terri. She could have definitely hooked up with the wrong people.

If someone held a "vendetta" against SM, they would have swiped her Candy-Red, Mustang and not Kyron.   

[seahorse]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
This article of inside the life of Terri ...
All that is written of her, how Kyron came into her life and the relationship she had with him. 
In the spring of 2002, In mid-June, a seven-month substitute teacher's job at Lenox Elementary School ended. That same month, she met Kaine Horman at a restaurant when he was out with friends and the two started dating.
I was wrong on Kyron's Birthday - it is Sept 9. - Born 9/9/2002.
So according to this article TH and KH met in June of 2002. ( this is not my concern/of affair etc)
Desiree had primary custody of Kyron after her divorce with Kaine in early 2003.
In 2004, when Desiree moved to Canada to seek medical treatment, Kaine gained custody of his son. He said he was primary caretaker, dropping Kyron off at day care and picking him up.

At the time, Terri was living in a condo in Beaverton with her son. James, who was 8, remembers Kaine bringing Kyron over to the condo as a tiny baby.
In mid-December 2002, Terri and James moved into his house in Aloha, Kaine said.
Terri told Lynn Heidebrecht, who lived across the street, that she moved into the house to help care for Kyron. Heidebrecht, whose own marriage was falling apart, found Terri to be comforting and a good listener.
( that was a pretty quick decision to make as a Mom, to bring your 8 yr old son into Man's home, that you have only known for 6 mos - they met in June and moved in by Dec 02? And Too it was risk that Kaine took, moving a Woman/her son into his home, knowing he had and Infant Kyron at the time * unless Terri was at risk of losing her Condo and Kaine said you can stay here/take care of Kyron ?) It still does not make sense to me. 2004 Kaine was given custody of Kyron. Him primary care taker and utilizing " Day Care" for Kyron ..dropping him off/picking him up. Then the article ( as you see above) Terri and James moved in with Kaine Dec 2002 in the Aloha house. Why then would Kyron require full time day care or day care in 2004? I thought that was the reason of why Terri moved in with Kaine?
Terri was the first to recognize that Kyron needed glasses, James said, and taught him sign language by the time he was 6 months so she could communicate with him. That would have been March 2003, Kyron being 6 mos old. Does not state though when Kyron had prescription glasses. Was it when he was 6 mos old? What that says to me is that Terri was very close to Kyron at 6 mos of age. That she was teaching him sign language and feeling he needed his eye's checked.
Article: Mom talks about 6 mos old Daughter needing prescription glasses
http://www.mamapedia.com/article/6-month-old-with-strabismus

According the the article it says Terri was going to School -2003.
In 2003, Terri earned a master's of art education from Pacific University in Forest Grove and was an on-call teacher for the Hillsboro School District, remaining available as a sub until 2006. She was living with Kaine, having her Education paid for by her Ex Husband ?
In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support. 2003 A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

This Gal knows how to manipulate Men. jmo. Using children to get what she wants $$$.
She is a planner, for sure. She had it all locked up.  That is why I do not understand Her?
Why not Divorce Kaine? Take him for a ride and walk away. She has done it to everyone else.
The only thing I can think of is that Kaine is broke. That he has credit debt up the wazoo and no equity within the house.

Look at the Dates, Divorced from Ecker January 2002, Met Kaine June 2002, Living with Kaine by Dec, 2002. Not much down time.. and she was still being paid by Ecker for Child support and even having it raised to 550.00 a month - not yet a year later. What happened to the Chubby restaurant money lawsuit ? I wonder? or is it in a Trust? Or is the Money " 250K" that her Parents had put away in a CD or ? that it gained enough interest to date ..it is now being paid to Houze?  

That her brain works on instant gratifications and she is not willing to " assimilate" and be perceived by the Jones next door/her peers/family .. that she again would be a complete an utter failure ( in her mind) so she was going out with a Bang. Literally. Kaine being the Target. Failed. Yet, there is Kryon, the next best thing to hurting Kaine, cutting him/KH off at the knees.. 
 

She's a handful, Deenie.  The child was not his own, flesh and blood, yet, he faithfully made child support payments.
SM ups the ante and then has the law on him for nothin'.     She is a rotten apple.

[Grey]

Tuba has posted again. Post #121.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=5

[Deenie]

Freedom to do whatever she wants to do while Kaine is at work.  Kiara too young to see and tell.

Yes.  Why not let Desiree have her son?  She let her ex have James.  I just can't figure it out.  Two things seem parallel, yet something is missing.

Because she actually hates Desiree and wanted to hurt her as much as Kaine.

I agree. She is Desperately Jealous of Desiree, TH is. Why? Because Desiree has had more struggles than Terri could possibly imagine. And Desiree still walked out of the Fire. Desiree has a Husband that loves her/Tony. Has Kyron LOVING HER 24/7 regardless if he was with his Mom or not. And Desiree didn't have to scheme to get what she wanted out of life. Terri feels though " All that Desiree has"  fell into Desiree's lap ... ( totally Diluted yet is in what Terri thinks/jmo).   In TH's mind, she sees Desiree as perfect.. think about the psychology in that?
If TH feels that Desiree is perfect and DY's marriage didn't work out with Kaine? In retrospect,  Terri could have felt she was less than, no matter what. ( because in her eyes Desiree was perfect/and that failed with Kaine) That possibly TH was trying to mindfully/silently compete with Desiree? creating hostility. Because TH's entire resume, of her so called life, had been of failures/not following through with anything she started. The crazy thing of it is Terri and Kaine's relationship started without a foundation. It was brought on over night. Mixed with two divorces within months. Adding children to the factor.

Terri's expectations of her marriage with Kaine had to have been of theory and not of reality. Theory meaning: Two people meet/have kids/both need help with kids - so they make a convenient relationship a plan. Jump with their eyes closed and wait to see what happens ..that is not Love. Oh, reminding oneself/TH thinking this guy/KH works for Intel and has a solid income and will more than likely will only prosper.  I guess it is what it is. One is either strong enough to stand on their own to feet. Or one is willing to sell out and live a life of fantasy ( ride on the coat-tail of a Man you barely know till you figure out what your next game plan is - Kiara not even a thought at the time, nor another baby).  That shows to me how Weak Terri really is, as a woman. She is educated, jack of all trades master of ? and yet she continues to follow in the paths of Men/Marriage to gain her self worth $$$. Who would have been her next victim if she would have filed for Divorce from Kaine..Did she feel she was running out of options? Now that she had Kiara? She is in her mind too old to play the game ?  Of Duck Duck Goose? 

[no rose colored glasses]

Tuba has posted again. Post #121.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=5

Thank-you, could you explain what that means? I swear that I can read it and get more confused 

[Grey]

Tuba has posted again. Post #121.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=5

Thank-you, could you explain what that means? I swear that I can read it and get more confused 

Who? Me? Explain? *looks over shoulder*
Ask someone else.

I cannot decipher what Tuba writes. I just get a general "feeling". Her last post did say that things would start to happen Aug. 20-24 and that Aug. 24 is important. I only look at her posts to see when things might happen. I need to go back and read the first posts in that thread from Tuba, but I think the outcome for Kyron is negative.

[Bearlyhere]

What if Terri didn't carry this out..but instead someone did this to get even with Terri?

Suppose someone from her past who she blackmailed or double crossed..showed up , like in the sting..but instead of taking care of Kaine..they decided Kyron was the easier target with the child porn and child traficking market in Portland?

When I see photos of Terri at the first press conferences she looksguilty..as though she brought this upon them, and she looks scared.  And DDS said Terri and her family is scared for her.  Suppose that part is true?  Suppose that she hooked up with the wrong people and the plan she had with them changed..and this was their way of extracting what they wanted?

I still say LE is handling this more like a kidnapping for ransom then a murder investigation.  Living with the family, tapping phones, bugging the house, probably bugged the cars.  If you were innocent none of that would bother you..it bothered Terri plenty...she didn't even take the Mustang when she left because she knew it would be bugged and also have tracking devices...................yet she just couldn't help herself and went back to her old ways of sexting...that time MC.

Only Terri knows what lead up to this..she may not know exactly who took Kyron and what happened from that point on..but she does know what her actions and contacts have now cost her..everything.

I can see this, too, Gypsy.

[no rose colored glasses]

seahorse, IF there was a vendetta against Terri, and Kyron was taken for that reason, not to be crass, but taking her Mustang, that can be replaced, a child can't be replaced.

[Scatty]

Freedom to do whatever she wants to do while Kaine is at work.  Kiara too young to see and tell.

Yes.  Why not let Desiree have her son?  She let her ex have James.  I just can't figure it out.  Two things seem parallel, yet something is missing.

Because she actually hates Desiree and wanted to hurt her as much as Kaine.

Plus I don't think she is letting her ex have James. He's still her property, she's just not paying for him right now, althugh she's probably still collecting money for him. I think she definitely planned on getting rid of Kaine before Kiara was old enough to start talking. Makes me think what happened to Caylee might have happened to Kiara, if Terri wasn't under suspicion and left to go on her merry way.

[Scatty]

What if Terri didn't carry this out..but instead someone did this to get even with Terri?

Suppose someone from her past who she blackmailed or double crossed..showed up , like in the sting..but instead of taking care of Kaine..they decided Kyron was the easier target with the child porn and child traficking market in Portland?

When I see photos of Terri at the first press conferences she looksguilty..as though she brought this upon them, and she looks scared.  And DDS said Terri and her family is scared for her.  Suppose that part is true?  Suppose that she hooked up with the wrong people and the plan she had with them changed..and this was their way of extracting what they wanted?

I still say LE is handling this more like a kidnapping for ransom then a murder investigation.  Living with the family, tapping phones, bugging the house, probably bugged the cars.  If you were innocent none of that would bother you..it bothered Terri plenty...she didn't even take the Mustang when she left because she knew it would be bugged and also have tracking devices...................yet she just couldn't help herself and went back to her old ways of sexting...that time MC.

Only Terri knows what lead up to this..she may not know exactly who took Kyron and what happened from that point on..but she does know what her actions and contacts have now cost her..everything.

I think that was her "poor, pathetic me" look. Especially when she turned puppy dog eyes to Desiree, looking plaintively up at her, like she expected Desiree to comfort HER.

[Claycat]

New Video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qegAjQHNBg&feature=sub

Interesting comments by poster.

[Bearlyhere]

Freedom to do whatever she wants to do while Kaine is at work.  Kiara too young to see and tell.

Yes.  Why not let Desiree have her son?  She let her ex have James.  I just can't figure it out.  Two things seem parallel, yet something is missing.

Because she actually hates Desiree and wanted to hurt her as much as Kaine.

Plus I don't think she is letting her ex have James. He's still her property, she's just not paying for him right now, althugh she's probably still collecting money for him. I think she definitely planned on getting rid of Kaine before Kiara was old enough to start talking. Makes me think what happened to Caylee might have happened to Kiara, if Terri wasn't under suspicion and left to go on her merry way.

 

So sad.

[Deenie]

The youtbuber making all the Videos - of mystery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qegAjQHNBg

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/7qegAjQHNBg?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/7qegAjQHNBg?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US</a>


vid description:
Terri Horman - I think the tragedy of Terri's life of being adopted lead to some of her despair of not knowing her biological mother. While we all appreciate poems I think Marilyn Monroe said it best. Women have a natural instinct to want to mother and even Terri had that instinct. Let's see where this goes, and I am sure an angel is watching over us all.

comments posted by who is making these videos - just mins ago.
http://www.youtube.com/user/musicworldnewstoday1
It is currently 2:11 eastern here - my house. In case this Youtube channel is taken down for whatever reason.
all comments written on their own video
musicworldnewstoday1 says
11 mins ago:
Terri can only help her situation by telling the truth and opening up, otherwise she will never be able to live down what others think of her. Terri please make it easier on yourself be confident that the truth will serve you the justice that is needed. Stop second quessing yourself and be responsible, that's what your real mom would tell you to your face. Open up because you still have your whole life ahead of you.

17 mins ago:
It is possible that Terri fell into the hands of people who terrorized her, especially by the people who filmed her. I now question the plot about her wanting to have her husband killed. My question is which husband did she want to have killed? Maybe the landscaper assumed it was Kaine but perhaps Terri was considering for him to kill her other husband. Terri did not receive pain during her marriage with Kaine is why I have this impression. I'm not so sure I can say that about her other marriage
21 mins ago:
It is possible that Terri fell into the hands of people who terrorized her, especially by the people who filmed her.
28 mins ago:
Right now I think it's important to find out more about Terri's real mom. That will shed alot of light on things. This is what I see, her real mother was probably a child herself. Terri suffered about her own identitiy inside regardless of her own upbringing. When Terri had her own children, which were many years apart that her personality truly split when she finally had Kiara. I am sure she has really now become even more detached since she cannot even see Kiara now.

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How do you go from making videos expressing TH is porn Queen Terri, strangling Kyron, murdered him etc  to now - showing her complete empathy ?
the Porn Queen Terri - she killed Kyron vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrThpQUFy_c


 

[no rose colored glasses]

I really must be missing something, where is it stated that Terri was a porn Queen? And what does being adopted have to do with anything? Many people are adopted.

[Tracygirl]

We have two different versions of what happened in Desiree and Kaine's marriage, I don't know what happened, and it isn't that unusual what happened, that doesn't mean I think it is right. But both moved on from it all and if it has nothing to do with Kyron's going missing, then I guess it is Desiree and Kaine's business.

Right.  But, Terri might have thought the same thing was going to happen to her that happened to Desiree.  According to Kaine, she started talking about not being attractive.  Maybe she thought he was going to leave or have an affair, he had done it before.  That would go to motivation for the MFH.  You know, cheaters cheat and liars lie sort of thing.

YES! that is why it is important

[Tracygirl]

Freedom to do whatever she wants to do while Kaine is at work.  Kiara too young to see and tell.

Yes.  Why not let Desiree have her son?  She let her ex have James.  I just can't figure it out.  Two things seem parallel, yet something is missing.

Great point and I agree. I wonder if she was trying to save Kyron from the past mistakes she feels she made with James? Is this why she was being so hard on him? Or somewhere it was written that she had always wanted a daughter. Was she, in her sick mind, trying to protect Kiara from some kind of imagined threat from her brothers? What age was Terri adopted? Does anyone know? 

[Deenie]

I really must be missing something, where is it stated that Terri was a porn Queen? And what does being adopted have to do with anything? Many people are adopted.

NoRose it is the words written " Porn Queen Terri Horman " across the splash page of the video made by Mystery Person- that just posted this video of Empathy for Terri. 
This is the link of the video. I won't post it here, I find the video too disturbing.
At .06 of the video the worlds splash " Porn Queen Terri Horman Commits Murder of Young Children"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrThpQUFy_c

I wonder where this person is getting their info ?

[no rose colored glasses]

I really must be missing something, where is it stated that Terri was a porn Queen? And what does being adopted have to do with anything? Many people are adopted.

NoRose it is the words written " Porn Queen Terri Horman " across the splash page of the video made by Mystery Person- that just posted this video of Empathy for Terri. 
This is the link of the video. I won't post it here, I find the video too disturbing.
At .06 of the video the worlds splash " Porn Queen Terri Horman Commits Murder of Young Children"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrThpQUFy_c

I wonder where this person is getting their info ?

Wild stab here, but if Terri made porn, by now someone would have dug into their porn stash, and would have it out there for the world to see, imo.