Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 - 8/21/10

[klaasend]

Hi to everyone.  I have been lurking for a couple weeks and praying hard that the Kyron is found safe.  This is probably nothing but has been bothering me since I noticed it:

In those weird videos from the musicworld folk, I think it is the latest one that talks about Powell street and shows a vacant lot with a white truck and a limo.  Well, I found that lot on google earth.  In the actual aerial the vehicles parked there are different but when you use the streetview camera you can see the exact picture as the musicworld video.  But here is what is weird (at least I think),  usually as you move from streetview to the next the picture flows as in the same vehicles etc.  Not one of the other streetview camera shots (at least in the immediate area) show the limo and truck.  They rest of them are consistent with each other in the scene the vacant lot presents.

I'm new (thanks for letting me join ) and am 25 pages behind and close to going to work again <sigh>.  I look forward to reading more...

Mary

Welcome 3Bears!  Are you related to our moderator Bearlyhere?  (j/k)

[seahorse]

Hi to everyone.  I have been lurking for a couple weeks and praying hard that the Kyron is found safe.  This is probably nothing but has been bothering me since I noticed it:

In those weird videos from the musicworld folk, I think it is the latest one that talks about Powell street and shows a vacant lot with a white truck and a limo.  Well, I found that lot on google earth.  In the actual aerial the vehicles parked there are different but when you use the streetview camera you can see the exact picture as the musicworld video.  But here is what is weird (at least I think),  usually as you move from streetview to the next the picture flows as in the same vehicles etc.  Not one of the other streetview camera shots (at least in the immediate area) show the limo and truck.  They rest of them are consistent with each other in the scene the vacant lot presents.

I'm new (thanks for letting me join ) and am 25 pages behind and close to going to work again <sigh>.  I look forward to reading more...

Mary

Welcome to the cage Mary......Are you saying perhaps these pics that the musicworld folks are using may be photos taken by them and not from the ones available through google earth? 
Weren't some of the ones with the limo aerial shots?

I don't know but it just struck me as really odd that the one photo with the white truck and limo don't match the rest.  It's almost like it was inserted in.  Why would the streetscaper guy go record just one intersection at a different date than the rest of the streets.  I'm going to go back to look at an earlier video bc wasn't something said about google recording it all?  Weird is all I got right now sorry.

She preys on good people and made suckers out them, almost like a Predator.

[Tamikosmom]

Is it possible ... that the increased child support had everything to do with Kaine ... not Terri.  It appears that it was not an issue until after Terri moved in with Kaine in August 2002.

Bottom Line:  Nobody knows.

Janet

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Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM     Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. ....

In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
 

I don't know about child support, but that sure is a huge increase  I'm sure that would take a big chunk out of his salary.

Richard Ecker adopted James.  James was legally his son.

no rose ... when you consider all the essentials that a child requires $550.00 is not a lot.  Terri contribution as the primary caregiver would be much more.  James is not Kaine's financial responsibility.

Janet

[no rose colored glasses]

Maybe Terri was in porn movies at one time and Kaine did not know. Maybe Terri was being blackmailed and the day that Kyron went missing, she was meeting someone to pay them to keep quiet? I don't know. The longer this case goes on, the crazier it gets. I really hate that LE is coming out publicly stating that it may take years to solve this case. Kyron does not have YEARS!

I am not sure if a perfectionist, narcissus would make a porn movie. Seems Terri is all about appearances, what would the making of a porn movie say about her? it just doesn't fit,imo.
 

After I read this, just needed to go searching on this topic. I sure hope nobody comes and checks what all I have looked at for answers      The narcissist is an exhibitionist and will want sex in public and dresses inappropriately at home and or elsewhere. So I would guess making porn would fit in that.

[no rose colored glasses]

Janet no that isn't that much a month to raise a child, just thought that was a huge increase though, would think somewhere in between would have made more sense.

[3bears]

Hi to everyone.  I have been lurking for a couple weeks and praying hard that the Kyron is found safe.  This is probably nothing but has been bothering me since I noticed it:

In those weird videos from the musicworld folk, I think it is the latest one that talks about Powell street and shows a vacant lot with a white truck and a limo.  Well, I found that lot on google earth.  In the actual aerial the vehicles parked there are different but when you use the streetview camera you can see the exact picture as the musicworld video.  But here is what is weird (at least I think),  usually as you move from streetview to the next the picture flows as in the same vehicles etc.  Not one of the other streetview camera shots (at least in the immediate area) show the limo and truck.  They rest of them are consistent with each other in the scene the vacant lot presents.

I'm new (thanks for letting me join ) and am 25 pages behind and close to going to work again <sigh>.  I look forward to reading more...

Mary

Welcome to the cage Mary......Are you saying perhaps these pics that the musicworld folks are using may be photos taken by them and not from the ones available through google earth? 
Weren't some of the ones with the limo aerial shots?

I don't know but it just struck me as really odd that the one photo with the white truck and limo don't match the rest.  It's almost like it was inserted in.  Why would the streetscaper guy go record just one intersection at a different date than the rest of the streets.  I'm going to go back to look at an earlier video bc wasn't something said about google recording it all?  Weird is all I got right now sorry.

Thanks for the welcome all!  My heart goes out so far for Kyron.  My oldest bear is 7 just started 2nd grade and I have a 1st grader and preschooler (hence the 3bears )  I try and imagine what that little guy went through through my kids eyes and it is really upsetting to say the least. 

I went back and watched another video from musicworld and here is what stuck out that gives me a feeling that photo was inserted in:
"The pornographers are preparing for a film shoot.
Camera and cars are converted to use in deadly executions."

[Deenie]

Mystery video maker
Named: musicworldnewstoday1
Who I do not believe is 27, nor is male. Is though a woman who lives in Washington. 
If you follow the links that are available on the youtube channel -
led me to this:
http://music-chage-aska.tripod.com/id7.html
to the name of: Carolyn Joyce Carty
Female
53 years old
Whidbey Island, Washington
United States
Her Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/carolynfujii
She would be old enough to have a grandson.
she is listed on Amazon.com as well, for selling books
http://www.amazon.com/Footprints-in-the-Sand-ebook/dp/B001QTVWKG
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She/he/who creating these vids - mentions in one comments that Terri had been in pornography. That LE is aware of it. 
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=DrThpQUFy_c
musicworldnewstoday1
6 days ago
Discovery of pornographic evidence of Terri Moulton were found in 2001 being sold on Sprague Ave Spokane Wa under Private Video Collections. Investagators looking for missing person came across the discovery of minor girls being filmed along with films of Terri. Portland FBI already has this information.
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Is it hearsay ? I don't know. I went back to Terri's Ebay channel as a buyer. And I do believe this is TH's Ebay. That if you look at all the purchases in history it is " many educational books for teachers" it is of primitive country home purchases/decor/kids clothes/electronics- and many Cell phones through the years.
http://myworld.ebay.com.sg/rdsqrl
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Her last purchase though that is a grabber ( has been talked about here before)
March 3, 2010 - the purchase made by TH from the ebay store
Member id purchase made from: noveltiesnmorenovelties
It is a Adult site that sell's Adult novelties - and if you look it up online. It has many boutiques.   One being at the location of 9611 E. Sprague Ave, Spokane Wa. 99206
It uses the name of noveltiesnmorenovelties on Ebay - account set up in 2003
http://myworld.ebay.com.sg/noveltiesnmorenovelties
We are JSA Corporation aka Hollywood Novelties. We are located in beautiful sunny Southern California. We have been in business for over 30 years and have supplied some of the worlds top companies with unique and exciting products.
Online: Hollywood Novelties.  Its safe if you want to go to this link- it only shows the addresses http://www.hollywoodnovelties.com/index.php?main_page=contact_us
They offer different names to each store if you want to personally visit.
Hollywood Erotique Boutique #240
9611 E. Sprague Ave.
Spokane, WA 99206
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Is this all made up via the youtuber ? or is this truth ? that Terri was into pornography as her being filmed? That she made a purchase from an adult site does not make a criminal. Could have been anything purchased from this place ..right down to a pair of shoes.  Or a gift for a friend. I did chase this site for videos for sale. Came up with nothing. That though means nothing to me. Video's are highly skeptic when shown on sites such as this - makes them look even more sleezy to all and LE ..imo. Could very well be that they sell them behind the curtain type of thing. Do not offer them online.
__ just was strange to me that the addresses matched up. Could again be a ploy or tactic to go against Terri's person (adding fuel). That it would create more controversy, in order to gain more viewers on the vids. 

[hellokitty]

 

1.  It is apparent from the stuff about Terri that she is into money

2.  Porn-she appears to have a boob job.  She posed in skimpy clothing for her body building.  She sexts graphic sexual activity to MC.  She sexts the LS.  She has a pic of her with Kaine's hand on her boobie on FB.

Maybe some guy was busted with his private porn vids of her.  Maybe he rolled over on her and some buddy knows this and posted it on the net?

Kaine met her in a "restaurant" that he seems to feel should be secret.  What kind of "restaurant" could that be?

There is nothing in her behavior that does NOT indicate to me that she would be willing to do porn.

[Tamikosmom]

Could August 25, 2010 reveal answers in regards to what is going on behind the scenes in Terri Horman's life?

I do believe that Kaine is not alone in wanting to know where Terri obtained that retainer fee that was paid to her high profile attorney.  There is the IRS.  There are the investigators working on the Kyron Horman case.  This is a cage fully of Monkeys.

Janet

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Hearing set to find out how Terri Horman is paying for lawyer
 By KGW.com Staff
KGW-TV
updated 8/3/2010 7:46:10 PM ET

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The father of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman wants to know how his estranged wife is paying for her legal costs.

A court set an August 25 hearing date on a motion filed by Kaine Horman to find out how Terri Moulton-Horman is paying a reported $350,000 for criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Last week, court papers filed by Terri stated she wants Kaine to pay her legal fees as they go through their divorce.

That filing claimed that Terri does not have the money to pay for a drawn out case. The filing also claims that Kaine Horman "grossly misstated" the $350,000 figure, which was claimed in documents filed by Kaine's attorney.

But reliable sources told KGW the $350,000 figure was mentioned by Terri in a text to Michael Cook, a man she was accused of showing a sealed restraining order and sending sexually explicit text messages to in June

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38457211

[no rose colored glasses]

Very interesting info Deenie 

[Scatty]

Is it possible ... that the increased child support had everything to do with Kaine ... not Terri.  It appears that it was not an issue until after Terri moved in with Kaine in August 2002.

Bottom Line:  Nobody knows.

Janet

++++++

Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM     Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. ....

In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
 

I don't know about child support, but that sure is a huge increase  I'm sure that would take a big chunk out of his salary.

Richard Ecker adopted James.  James was legally his son.

no rose ... when you consider all the essentials that a child requires $550.00 is not a lot.  Terri contribution as the primary caregiver would be much more.  James is not Kaine's financial responsibility.

Janet

Here's what I don't understand: Terri was married to Tarver and had James; then she married Ecker who adopted James. So why is James last name Moulton and not Tarver or Ecker?

[klaasend]

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[Wyks]

Hi 3bears, and welcome! 

[Deenie]

1.  It is apparent from the stuff about Terri that she is into money

2.  Porn-she appears to have a boob job.  She posed in skimpy clothing for her body building.  She sexts graphic sexual activity to MC.  She sexts the LS.  She has a pic of her with Kaine's hand on her boobie on FB.

Maybe some guy was busted with his private porn vids of her.  Maybe he rolled over on her and some buddy knows this and posted it on the net?

Kaine met her in a "restaurant" that he seems to feel should be secret.  What kind of "restaurant" could that be?

There is nothing in her behavior that does NOT indicate to me that she would be willing to do porn.

My thoughts on her meeting Kaine ( him being with his buddys - as it states in the article) if she was the Manager of so said restaurant ?? did she pick Kaine's table out/filled with a bunch of guys? and spark up some attention??? That she was being polite/professional and or other?
Were they being rowdy and or causing a draw of her attention ..OH a bunch of Engineers .. Cute/Muscular .. Eye Candy for her? She was a very attractive woman at that time. And to add her structure and all ..the guys at that time were more than likely ' drooling' over her. And Somehow Kaine won ( Hah) he got her phone number...

 

[Tamikosmom]

Janet no that isn't that much a month to raise a child, just thought that was a huge increase though, would think somewhere in between would have made more sense.

If not the legal father ... who would be expected to make up the difference in regards to the actual cost encompassing James' monthly portion of ... medical ... dental ... accomodations/ultilities ... food ... clothing ... activities ... schooling ... entertainment ...

I suspect that it was Kaine who bulked at a meger $165.00 a month child support.  After all ... it was him who was being put in a position of paying the lions share of expenses that related to James.

IMO

Janet

[Tracygirl]

Maybe Terri was in porn movies at one time and Kaine did not know. Maybe Terri was being blackmailed and the day that Kyron went missing, she was meeting someone to pay them to keep quiet? I don't know. The longer this case goes on, the crazier it gets. I really hate that LE is coming out publicly stating that it may take years to solve this case. Kyron does not have YEARS!

I am not sure if a perfectionist, narcissus would make a porn movie. Seems Terri is all about appearances, what would the making of a porn movie say about her? it just doesn't fit,imo.
 

After I read this, just needed to go searching on this topic. I sure hope nobody comes and checks what all I have looked at for answers      The narcissist is an exhibitionist and will want sex in public and dresses inappropriately at home and or elsewhere. So I would guess making porn would fit in that.

NRCG and you say that you are not good at researching! Never say that again, ok? You are correct, thank you for correcting me.

[klaasend]

Is it possible ... that the increased child support had everything to do with Kaine ... not Terri.  It appears that it was not an issue until after Terri moved in with Kaine in August 2002.

Bottom Line:  Nobody knows.

Janet

++++++

Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM     Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. ....

In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
 

I don't know about child support, but that sure is a huge increase  I'm sure that would take a big chunk out of his salary.

Richard Ecker adopted James.  James was legally his son.

no rose ... when you consider all the essentials that a child requires $550.00 is not a lot.  Terri contribution as the primary caregiver would be much more.  James is not Kaine's financial responsibility.

Janet

Here's what I don't understand: Terri was married to Tarver and had James; then she married Ecker who adopted James. So why is James last name Moulton and not Tarver or Ecker?

The only thing I can figure is that there was NO father on the birth certificate.  So even though Tarver was the dad, Terri at the time didn't want to show him as dad on the birth certificate thus not being able to collect child support from him.  So Jame's name was Moulton. 

You would think that if Ecker legally adopted (which he must have), James would go by Ecker and not Moulton.  That I don't understand.

[no rose colored glasses]

Deenie, with your link I noticed this comment that really stood out.   
musicworldnewstoday1
15 hours ago

@noeuro I don't know how she got into to it but I saw the tapes and it was her. I was looking for my daughter who was a missing person and I had to view these tapes it was absolutely awful the things that happened in the tapes. I wished I never saw them it makes me sick to my stomach to even think about it. But the thing here is there is a missing child and you have to do what you have to do to find them. I'm sorry that Terri grew up the way she did and that she got sick

[no rose colored glasses]

Maybe Terri was in porn movies at one time and Kaine did not know. Maybe Terri was being blackmailed and the day that Kyron went missing, she was meeting someone to pay them to keep quiet? I don't know. The longer this case goes on, the crazier it gets. I really hate that LE is coming out publicly stating that it may take years to solve this case. Kyron does not have YEARS!

I am not sure if a perfectionist, narcissus would make a porn movie. Seems Terri is all about appearances, what would the making of a porn movie say about her? it just doesn't fit,imo.
 

After I read this, just needed to go searching on this topic. I sure hope nobody comes and checks what all I have looked at for answers      The narcissist is an exhibitionist and will want sex in public and dresses inappropriately at home and or elsewhere. So I would guess making porn would fit in that.

NRCG and you say that you are not good at researching! Never say that again, ok? You are correct, thank you for correcting me.

  I just figured you would have to be that way to make stuff like that, never thought about it before.

[Scatty]

Is it possible ... that the increased child support had everything to do with Kaine ... not Terri.  It appears that it was not an issue until after Terri moved in with Kaine in August 2002.

Bottom Line:  Nobody knows.

Janet

++++++

Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM     Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. ....

In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html
 

I don't know about child support, but that sure is a huge increase  I'm sure that would take a big chunk out of his salary.

Richard Ecker adopted James.  James was legally his son.

no rose ... when you consider all the essentials that a child requires $550.00 is not a lot.  Terri contribution as the primary caregiver would be much more.  James is not Kaine's financial responsibility.

Janet

Here's what I don't understand: Terri was married to Tarver and had James; then she married Ecker who adopted James. So why is James last name Moulton and not Tarver or Ecker?

The only thing I can figure is that there was NO father on the birth certificate.  So even though Tarver was the dad, Terri at the time didn't want to show him as dad on the birth certificate thus not being able to collect child support from him.  So Jame's name was Moulton. 

You would think that if Ecker legally adopted (which he must have), James would go by Ecker and not Moulton.  That I don't understand.

Actually, now that I think about it, there are women who want to keep their options open because they have no intention of sticking with one man. They use kids as decoys, like "see how my son/daughter loves you and looks up to you as a dad?" It would probably be harder to get the new guy to bond with the kid if kid has a different last name as a reminder that there is another caring dad still in the picture. Also maybe the Moulton is to strengthen bonds with his grandparents, like remember your grandson, who bears your last name, in your will.