Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 - 8/21/10

[Tracygirl]

I really must be missing something, where is it stated that Terri was a porn Queen? And what does being adopted have to do with anything? Many people are adopted.

SM is an Ingrate.  Her Adoption wasn't the problem, her lack of consideration for others was the problem.

Terri was adopted when she was 8 months old......I don't think her adoption has anything to do with Kyron's disappearance. JMO

Psychologically speaking it could have

I don't understand that aspect of being adopted, psychologically.

Abandonment issues, why did my mom and dad give me away, was I not good enough, was something not perfect enough about me. That sort of thing

[Tamikosmom]

Could August 25, 2010 reveal answers in regards to what is going on behind the scenes in Terri Horman's life?

I do believe that Kaine is not alone in wanting to know where Terri obtained that retainer fee which was paid to her high profile attorney.  There is the IRS.  There are the investigators working on the Kyron Horman case.  This is a cage fully of Monkeys.

Janet

Sure hope the answers come out that day, Janet!  If allowed, am sure that monkey noses would be pressed into all the courtroom windows that day, trying to lip-read what's going on.  Maybe the media will be more than helpful and have a court cam/audio on for us.  Hopefully! 

 

 

[no rose colored glasses]

I really must be missing something, where is it stated that Terri was a porn Queen? And what does being adopted have to do with anything? Many people are adopted.

SM is an Ingrate.  Her Adoption wasn't the problem, her lack of consideration for others was the problem.

Terri was adopted when she was 8 months old......I don't think her adoption has anything to do with Kyron's disappearance. JMO

Psychologically speaking it could have

I don't understand that aspect of being adopted, psychologically.

Terri did try to find her bio mother. I have 2 adopted cousins..one could care less who her BM was but the other one has spent his entire adult life trying to find his. This has ruined his other relationships.

Thank-you

[Wyks]

Thank-you for the info    I suppose if James and Terri and James' dad was alright with the name change, don't see much wrong with it, except odd.

Supposedly Ecker was the legal dad. Maybe she was promoting the bond between biodad Tarver and James for some reason and didn't want the Ecker name in the way. I hope poor Ecker is not still paying.

Yeah, I feel badly for Ecker.  Sounds like he got royally screwed used.  IMO. 

[no rose colored glasses]

Thank-you for the answer Tracygirl    Oh wow Deenie, not good at all, your poor daughter 

[Tamikosmom]

I have no respect for Richard Eckers.  He did pay forced child support for his adopted son but ... forfeited his legal right to a relationship with James

According to James ... it was Kaine who filled the role of a father in his life.

I do not fault Terri for changing James' name to Moulton.  Richard Ecker had not seen his adopted son since 2003.  The name "Horman" was not an option when you consider that at the time of the name change ... the Horman marriage was on the rocks.

Janet

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Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM
Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

Ecker has not seen James since that call and still pays child support. He estimates he's contributed about $46,000.

<snipped>

Horman legally changed his last name from Ecker to Moulton in January this year.

<snipped>

James said he misses his little sister — and would like to see Kaine as well.

"He was like a dad to me," James said. "I lived with him for eight years."

Kaine hopes to talk to James again soon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

It was TARVER that forfeited his parental rights, NOT Ecker. 

Legally maybe but ... for four years Richard Ecker was James' adopted father.  However ... when the marriage broke up ... he did pay forced child support but ... he did not embrace his legal right to a relationship with his adopted son.

When I consider his current relationship with James ... I believe that Ron Tarver has redeemed himself.

Janet

[Scatty]

Deenie, with your link I noticed this comment that really stood out.   
musicworldnewstoday1
15 hours ago

@noeuro I don't know how she got into to it but I saw the tapes and it was her. I was looking for my daughter who was a missing person and I had to view these tapes it was absolutely awful the things that happened in the tapes. I wished I never saw them it makes me sick to my stomach to even think about it. But the thing here is there is a missing child and you have to do what you have to do to find them. I'm sorry that Terri grew up the way she did and that she got sick

This is a comment made from musicworldnewstoday1????  or made by someone else on that site? 

Cuz........ if musicworldnewstoday1 themself posted the above, then my hinky meter just went thru the roof. 

Remember I posted a comment made by him/her earlier that said s/he has a young grandson named kyron?  and now s/he has also had a daughter who was missing?  c'monnnnnnnn what are the odds?? 

 

That is a comment made by her I followed Deenie's link she provided. I have no idea exactly what this person's game is.

Sounds like it is a game though. Doncha think?

[Wyks]

Deenie, with your link I noticed this comment that really stood out.   
musicworldnewstoday1
15 hours ago

@noeuro I don't know how she got into to it but I saw the tapes and it was her. I was looking for my daughter who was a missing person and I had to view these tapes it was absolutely awful the things that happened in the tapes. I wished I never saw them it makes me sick to my stomach to even think about it. But the thing here is there is a missing child and you have to do what you have to do to find them. I'm sorry that Terri grew up the way she did and that she got sick

This is a comment made from musicworldnewstoday1????  or made by someone else on that site? 

Cuz........ if musicworldnewstoday1 themself posted the above, then my hinky meter just went thru the roof. 

Remember I posted a comment made by him/her earlier that said s/he has a young grandson named kyron?  and now s/he has also had a daughter who was missing?  c'monnnnnnnn what are the odds?? 

 

That is a comment made by her I followed Deenie's link she provided. I have no idea exactly what this person's game is.

Sounds like it is a game though. Doncha think?

It sure does!   

[Scatty]

I have no respect for Richard Eckers.  He did pay forced child support for his adopted son but ... forfeited his legal right to a relationship with James

According to James ... it was Kaine who filled the role of a father in his life.

I do not fault Terri for changing James' name to Moulton.  Richard Ecker had not seen his adopted son since 2003.  The name "Horman" was not an option when you consider that at the time of the name change ... the Horman marriage was on the rocks.

Janet

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Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM
Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

Ecker has not seen James since that call and still pays child support. He estimates he's contributed about $46,000.

<snipped>

Horman legally changed his last name from Ecker to Moulton in January this year.

<snipped>

James said he misses his little sister — and would like to see Kaine as well.

"He was like a dad to me," James said. "I lived with him for eight years."

Kaine hopes to talk to James again soon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

It was TARVER that forfeited his parental rights, NOT Ecker. 

Legally maybe but ... for four years Richard Ecker was James' adopted father.  However ... when the marriage broke up ... he did pay forced child support but ... he did not embrace his legal right to a relationship with his adopted son.

When I consider his current relationship with James ... I believe that Ron Tarver has redeemed himself.

Janet

Ecker may be alive today because he stayed out of the picture except for his money.

[cw618]

i have to go out for awhile,but all the porno talk for TH, could she
be using something like this site, dont ask how i know
food for thought BBL
http://www.adultwebmasterschool.com/

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks Wyks, this really stuck out   
A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

Ecker has not seen James since that call and still pays child support. He estimates he's contributed about $46,000.     And then not seeing James besides. I hear you with James and the name changes 

Mr. Ecker is a Saint!     I hope he sells SM story, pictures, etc. to earn some exta money.

A Saint!!!  A Saint!!

Richard Ecker paid forced child support but ... after four years of parenting ... Ecker chose not to have a relationship with his adopted son for the past eight years.  I give Kaine credit for filling the role of father and ... so does James.

Janet

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Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM
Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

Ecker has not seen James since that call and still pays child support. He estimates he's contributed about $46,000.

<snipped>

Horman legally changed his last name from Ecker to Moulton in January this year.

<snipped>

James said he misses his little sister — and would like to see Kaine as well.

"He was like a dad to me," James said. "I lived with him for eight years."

Kaine hopes to talk to James again soon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

[Tamikosmom]

I have no respect for Richard Eckers.  He did pay forced child support for his adopted son but ... forfeited his legal right to a relationship with James

According to James ... it was Kaine who filled the role of a father in his life.

I do not fault Terri for changing James' name to Moulton.  Richard Ecker had not seen his adopted son since 2003.  The name "Horman" was not an option when you consider that at the time of the name change ... the Horman marriage was on the rocks.

Janet

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Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM
Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

Ecker has not seen James since that call and still pays child support. He estimates he's contributed about $46,000.

<snipped>

Horman legally changed his last name from Ecker to Moulton in January this year.

<snipped>

James said he misses his little sister — and would like to see Kaine as well.

"He was like a dad to me," James said. "I lived with him for eight years."

Kaine hopes to talk to James again soon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

It was TARVER that forfeited his parental rights, NOT Ecker. 

Legally maybe but ... for four years Richard Ecker was James' adopted father.  However ... when the marriage broke up ... he did pay forced child support but ... he did not embrace his legal right to a relationship with his adopted son.

When I consider his current relationship with James ... I believe that Ron Tarver has redeemed himself.

Janet

Ecker may be alive today because he stayed out of the picture except for his money.

He abandoned his stepson.

Janet

[klaasend]

Janet - I believe the forced child support was from Tarver.  When Terri and Ecker got married, he legally adopted him (Tarver allowed it as financially he couldn't support James).  Ecker and Terri had an informal child support understanding where Ecker would pay $169mo.  Terri went to court and it was raised by the court (no longer informal and now binding) to $550.  Ecker has been paying this since then.  Terri has not afforded Ecker visitation with James as far as I can tell.  Even if she refused visitation, Ecker would still be legally responsible to pay that $550 per month.

I do agree that Tarver has since done better for himself and since marrying Angela seems to have a very stable and loving household (judging by Facebook only).

[seahorse]

Could August 25, 2010 reveal answers in regards to what is going on behind the scenes in Terri Horman's life?

I do believe that Kaine is not alone in wanting to know where Terri obtained that retainer fee which was paid to her high profile attorney.  There is the IRS.  There are the investigators working on the Kyron Horman case.  This is a cage fully of Monkeys.

Janet

Sure hope the answers come out that day, Janet!  If allowed, am sure that monkey noses would be pressed into all the courtroom windows that day, trying to lip-read what's going on.  Maybe the media will be more than helpful and have a court cam/audio on for us.  Hopefully! 

 

 

A monkey questioned if the 'Settlement money' was put in a Trust, and is it now being used for Attorney Fees?
Would the M's have already paid Taxes on the account, previously, if that were the case?
if it were in Trust?

[Tamikosmom]

SELF EDIT

stepson s/b adopted son

[klaasend]

Janet - did he abandon his stepson/adopted son or did Terri refuse to allow him visitation?

[4 Donks]

I have no respect for Richard Eckers.  He did pay forced child support for his adopted son but ... forfeited his legal right to a relationship with James

According to James ... it was Kaine who filled the role of a father in his life.

I do not fault Terri for changing James' name to Moulton.  Richard Ecker had not seen his adopted son since 2003.  The name "Horman" was not an option when you consider that at the time of the name change ... the Horman marriage was on the rocks.

Janet

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Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM
Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

Ecker has not seen James since that call and still pays child support. He estimates he's contributed about $46,000.

<snipped>

Horman legally changed his last name from Ecker to Moulton in January this year.

<snipped>

James said he misses his little sister — and would like to see Kaine as well.

"He was like a dad to me," James said. "I lived with him for eight years."

Kaine hopes to talk to James again soon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

It was TARVER that forfeited his parental rights, NOT Ecker. 

Legally maybe but ... for four years Richard Ecker was James' adopted father.  However ... when the marriage broke up ... he did pay forced child support but ... he did not embrace his legal right to a relationship with his adopted son.

When I consider his current relationship with James ... I believe that Ron Tarver has redeemed himself.

Janet

Ecker may be alive today because he stayed out of the picture except for his money.

He abandoned his stepson.

Janet

Terri seems to cut her losses. Tarver lost his rights and perhaps she also cut off access for Eckers.

[Scatty]

I have no respect for Richard Eckers.  He did pay forced child support for his adopted son but ... forfeited his legal right to a relationship with James

According to James ... it was Kaine who filled the role of a father in his life.

I do not fault Terri for changing James' name to Moulton.  Richard Ecker had not seen his adopted son since 2003.  The name "Horman" was not an option when you consider that at the time of the name change ... the Horman marriage was on the rocks.

Janet

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Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM
Updated: Friday, August 20, 2010, 3:06 PM

In August 1998, two years after they were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. Tarver, who struggled financially, agreed to give up his parental rights. In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James and the decree included an informal agreement that Ecker would pay about $169 a month in child support.

A year later, Horman went to Washington County authorities, asking for more child support. His payments were bumped up to nearly $550 a month. Ecker went to Horman's house to ask for a break on child support, saying the payments were cutting a big chunk out of his salary. She seemed amenable to a reduction, he said, but the next day he got a call from the Washington County Sheriff's Office, telling him to stop harassing his ex-wife.

Ecker has not seen James since that call and still pays child support. He estimates he's contributed about $46,000.

<snipped>

Horman legally changed his last name from Ecker to Moulton in January this year.

<snipped>

James said he misses his little sister — and would like to see Kaine as well.

"He was like a dad to me," James said. "I lived with him for eight years."

Kaine hopes to talk to James again soon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

It was TARVER that forfeited his parental rights, NOT Ecker. 

Legally maybe but ... for four years Richard Ecker was James' adopted father.  However ... when the marriage broke up ... he did pay forced child support but ... he did not embrace his legal right to a relationship with his adopted son.

When I consider his current relationship with James ... I believe that Ron Tarver has redeemed himself.

Janet

Ecker may be alive today because he stayed out of the picture except for his money.

He abandoned his stepson.

Janet

I doubt that having the Sheriff's office call on him to threaten him with harrassment was the only hint Terri gave him to stay away from them.

[Puzzler]

Kaine Horman - married twice.  Desiree and Terri (children Kyron and Kiara)
Desiree Young - married 3 times.  To McCullough (son Quinn's), Kaine (son Kyron), and Tony Young
Terri Horman - married 3 times - to Ron Tarver (son James), Richard Ecker (legally adopted James) and to Kaine (daughter Kiara)

Pretty clear that at one time Desiree had some problems, maybe it was just medical, but she never could regain primary custody of either son.  She does have visitation with both Quinn and Kryon and appears to have her life in order.  Tony Young seems like a great guy.

So Richard Ecker legally adopts James (I find this odd that Ron Tarver would allow) but maybe it was just a matter of MONEY.  I wonder if Richard Ecker is still paying child support to Terri now that James is living with his bio dad Ron Tarver?  Both Ron Tarver and Richard Ecker have some not so nice things to say about Terri. 

From reports, Kaine and Desiree weren't getting along well when she found out she was pregnant.  They decided to try and work things out for the sake of the baby.  Evidentally, in Kaine's mind at least working it out didn't work.  Prior to Kyron being born it sounds like Kaine was getting "friendly" with Terri.  So Kaine moves out, Kyron is born, Desiree has primary custody and Kaine has regular visitations.  It is on the regular visitations that Terri helps out (so to speak) with Kyron. 

Sounds to me like Kaine and Desiree's marriage was over and they were simply trying to keep it together for the baby.  Not unusual and it didn't work.  Kaine should not have "fooled around" while still married to Desiree (if indeed he did).  After knowning what Terri did with the LS and with Michael Cook I don't put anything past her even back then with Kaine.


My point is posting this is that NONE of these people are perfect.  Many marriages fail and partners are unfaithful.  None of this answers WHERE KYRON IS, or why LE is concentrating on Terri and her friends.  I suspect it's because LE knows more than we do.

You are right, Klaas, no marriage is perfect.  I am just having trouble trying to find out the truth because there are so many contradictions even between the parents.  Who did or didn't cheat may not make a big difference.  But it may, in this way, both Terri and Kaine seem to put their own interests first.  The one thing that stands out to me is that Kyron was not Kaine's focus in the beginning.  Once Desiree got sick, he seemed more focused on him.  I do think that having Terri around enabled Kaine to keep Kyron with them.  Without Terri, I don't think he would have been able to do that. 

I was feeling bad for Desiree and felt he could have stayed with her for support until she had Kyron.  Stress during pregnancy causes all kinds of issues with a child.  They are being formed at this time.  My thoughts in this have to do with how much support Kaine was with Kyron for either Desiree or Terri.  Did money have a factor in wanting Kyron around the house?  Clearly there were signs before Kyron disappeared that neither Kaine or Terri's focus was on the sweet boy.  I am not in any way exonerating Terri. 

I myself have been fed that...my wife and I are living separate lives but living together line and it was never true.

While finding Kyron is primary, I was looking for warning signs for prevention.  I hope when people read here, they see not only the missing and exploited, but also may look at warning signs that may be around them to prevent the Kyron's from going missing in the first place.  Clearly this child was the loser in the me me me games.

 

Bearly - I understand your "looking for warning signs". 

It's wonderful that Kaine/Desiree are standing together now for the sake of Kyron.  It's the right thing to do and I'm glad they can/are doing that for their son.

The warning signs are pieces of the puzzle and over the years, combine with other warning signs and personalities, can lead you to a more complete picture of "why" someone would do such and such. 

There are NO excuses for harming a child.

However, we are always asking "Why would so-and-so do such a thing"?  The warning signs over time and mixed with personalities pieced together like pieces of a puzzle can help give you a clearer picture.

An example:  IMO - Terri's involvement with Kaine, while married to a pregnant Desiree, was not a moral thing to do and Terri would know that...so...once she's married to Kaine, she might have a fear/concern that Kaine would do the same to her (not saying he would; saying what Terri might think). 

It's reasonable to consider that because Kaine has done that before, because it appears that Terri has low self-esteem, appears that Terri has a "needy" personality. Terri often asking Kaine if she looks good - could be because of concern if she's keeping up her looks well enough or could be concern that Kaine is looking at other women.

All of this to say that just the small amout of issues I've outlined are "over time" and involving "personalities".  We know a tiny fraction of the dynamics in the Horman home, multiplied over all the years. And all of this would have built up and lead up to that fateful day, June 4, 2010.

Couple curious questions I have are:

Why did Kaine/Terri have close relationship for so long before they got married, then soon after marriage it seems like it all started falling apart.

What is the in-depth relationship between the landscaper and the Horman's?

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - I believe the forced child support was from Tarver.  When Terri and Ecker got married, he legally adopted him (Tarver allowed it as financially he couldn't support James).  Ecker and Terri had an informal child support understanding where Ecker would pay $169mo.  Terri went to court and it was raised by the court (no longer informal and now binding) to $550.  Ecker has been paying this since then.  Terri has not afforded Ecker visitation with James as far as I can tell.  Even if she refused visitation, Ecker would still be legally responsible to pay that $550 per month.

I do agree that Tarver has since done better for himself and since marrying Angela seems to have a very stable and loving household (judging by Facebook only).

James is Ecker's legally adopted son.  Tarver gave up his parental rights.  Terri could not legally prevent a relationship between Ecker and James ... even if she wanted to.

Consider he had the law on his side ... it is obvious that no visitation/joint custody was Ecker's choice.

IMO

Janet