Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 - 8/21/10

[Itaryl Moosee]

Also on Friday, Kaine Horman said he believes his estranged wife is still the primary focus in the criminal investigation into the boy's disappearance.

“Unless law enforcement comes to me and says all they’ve been telling me is wrong my opinion will not change," Horman said. "I’m a data person and the data gives me no reason to believe otherwise."

http://www.kptv.com/news/24706595/detail.html

[Justamama]

Have you guys seen this comment, made by the maker of the videos, in his comment section at the link below? 

@charlisav "Thank you Charlis this whole thing has been breaking my heart since day on. It's all I do for about 10 12 hours a day scouring photos, looking for clues and discerning facts. Your efforts are appreciated. I have a little grandson named Kyron."

musicworldnewstoday1
2 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigDPJBvXRs

  

Isn't TH's second husband's father's name Charlie??  The elder Ekert is named Charlie I do believe.  And by law considering the adoption that would legally make Kyron his grandson would it not?

[Justamama]

"Men suffering from the Madonna-Whore Complex, see women either as sexual beings ( whores), or as strictly love interests (mothers) only. They do not see women as integrated entity. They can't except that a woman who
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 becomes a mother, can also be a sexual being also. They see things in black and white. This often starts to come about when the woman is pregnant with his child, or directly after the birth of his child. Before the women got pregnant, they may have had an extremely satisfying sex life. It's during the pregnancy, or after birth when the real problem begin"

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/203880/the_madonna_whore_complexwhen_the_father.html?cat=41

I had heard of this years ago - prolly an Oprah or Donahue show 

I guess Elvis had this.  (from what I read) long ago.

[Scatty]

Have you guys seen this comment, made by the maker of the videos, in his comment section at the link below? 

@charlisav "Thank you Charlis this whole thing has been breaking my heart since day on. It's all I do for about 10 12 hours a day scouring photos, looking for clues and discerning facts. Your efforts are appreciated. I have a little grandson named Kyron."

musicworldnewstoday1
2 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigDPJBvXRs

  

Isn't TH's second husband's father's name Charlie??  The elder Ekert is named Charlie I do believe.  And by law considering the adoption that would legally make Kyron his grandson would it not?

No. Kyron would be no relation.

[klaasend]

Also on Friday, Kaine Horman said he believes his estranged wife is still the primary focus in the criminal investigation into the boy's disappearance.

“Unless law enforcement comes to me and says all they’ve been telling me is wrong my opinion will not change," Horman said. "I’m a data person and the data gives me no reason to believe otherwise."

http://www.kptv.com/news/24706595/detail.html

See I'm a data person as well and I agree with Kaine on this.

[klaasend]

Have you guys seen this comment, made by the maker of the videos, in his comment section at the link below? 

@charlisav "Thank you Charlis this whole thing has been breaking my heart since day on. It's all I do for about 10 12 hours a day scouring photos, looking for clues and discerning facts. Your efforts are appreciated. I have a little grandson named Kyron."

musicworldnewstoday1
2 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigDPJBvXRs

  

Isn't TH's second husband's father's name Charlie??  The elder Ekert is named Charlie I do believe.  And by law considering the adoption that would legally make Kyron his grandson would it not?

James would be his grandson by adoption not Kyron.

[Itaryl Moosee]

"Men suffering from the Madonna-Whore Complex, see women either as sexual beings ( whores), or as strictly love interests (mothers) only. They do not see women as integrated entity. They can't except that a woman who
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 becomes a mother, can also be a sexual being also. They see things in black and white. This often starts to come about when the woman is pregnant with his child, or directly after the birth of his child. Before the women got pregnant, they may have had an extremely satisfying sex life. It's during the pregnancy, or after birth when the real problem begin"

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/203880/the_madonna_whore_complexwhen_the_father.html?cat=41

I had heard of this years ago - prolly an Oprah or Donahue show 

This is kinda disturbing. Who are we psychoanalysing?

[nicubird]

Here is something I misread in the Oregonian article that became clear in the KPTV article:

Once when they were shopping online with their son, Horman walked into the room and asked what they were doing. They told her Chuck Ecker wanted to buy a boat. "She said, 'Oh, so you're spending James' inheritance,'" Mavis Ecker said. "She was serious."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Ecker didn't comment about the investigation, but said she remembered when Terri Horman accused her and her husband of spending too much money on a boat, neglecting Terri Horman's son's inheritance.
“That really took us back because we had never been around people like that before," Ecker said.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24706595/detail.html

When I first read The Oregonian I thought Terri was complaining about her own husband spending too much money. After reading both articles and realizing that Chuck is her faher-in-law (not her husband), it is clear she was saying that her inlaws were spending money James was entitled to as an inheritance. Saying that type of a comment directly to her in laws takes more body parts than I have in my possesion... 

[sebastian]

I guess for me, I just am questioning LE's motives regarding Terri. Why are they using Kaine and Desiree as their mouthpieces? Usually LE keeps things so close to the vest that you cannot get "boo" out of them. Is this a new tactic? I don't know. What I do know is that in another missing persons case, there were people of interest that were polygraphed over and over, they had all of their personal and business books gone over with a fine tooth comb. They pretty much were put through the ringer by LE. Yet, you never knew about it. It was never mentioned by LE or the media. I think that everything is just hinky to me because of LE's different approach to this case. Terri is probaby guilty of something regarding Kyron's dissapearance, but than my fairness factor kicks in. I find it horribly unfair that one parent is crucified in this case, the one that appeared to do the majority of the work raising this child, while the father gets a pass. He can say whatever he wants about the woman who raised his child, but the media is not allowed to say anything at all about him or his family. The more blatant it is, the more I want to root for the underdog and pray that Terri is innocent. Unfortunately, I don't think that is the case. At least not today. I retain the right to waffle once again. Poor Kyron.

[Kat_Gram]

I read the article about Terri and one thing stood out is how much financial support she had from her parents and from ex's parents. And how little good her education had done her in the manner of getting the kind of job she wanted. And I sure didn't like her even more after reading the part about wanting the report from the teacher every day. Demanding ? No wonder Kyron was timid, probably had to get permission to inhale and exhale. And when it was ok to get up out of bed. I have Gkiddos, they do well at daycare, school, no issues and my daughter doesn't have extensive or intensive contact with the teacher. The little one is in daycare and there is a hello, goodbye and if anything happens during the day it is mentioned. There isn't any kind of daily talking to the other one's teachers ever and she is going into grade seven. Seems like excessive monitoring or something with her.

[Justamama]

Have you guys seen this comment, made by the maker of the videos, in his comment section at the link below? 

@charlisav "Thank you Charlis this whole thing has been breaking my heart since day on. It's all I do for about 10 12 hours a day scouring photos, looking for clues and discerning facts. Your efforts are appreciated. I have a little grandson named Kyron."

musicworldnewstoday1
2 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigDPJBvXRs

  

Isn't TH's second husband's father's name Charlie??  The elder Ekert is named Charlie I do believe.  And by law considering the adoption that would legally make Kyron his grandson would it not?

James would be his grandson by adoption not Kyron.

Oh RIGHT!  ohhhhh I'm so confused.  CHOCOLATE!  MORE CHOCOLATE!


Just wanted to add here about the statement I just read from Jason saying that DeDe had told him that if they broke up he would be the last man in her life.  He took it to mean, (if I'm reading it right) that he was the end all see all of men for her.

Well, I loathe to admit that the last time I dated I actually told the guy that same thing but it was because I've been married before yaddah, yaddah and at my age seriously (and this guy was a prick) I told him in a colorful verbal exchange basically, "Oh believe me buddy when you and I are done I'm DONE, I don't think I'll EVER date men anymore".

Because, well...I am old now and sick of men.  (nothing against men as a whole and in no way is that meant to be a slam against men I'm just sick of the men I CHOSE to have in my life.)

[Kat_Gram]

I guess for me, I just am questioning LE's motives regarding Terri. Why are they using Kaine and Desiree as their mouthpieces? Usually LE keeps things so close to the vest that you cannot get "boo" out of them. Is this a new tactic? I don't know. What I do know is that in another missing persons case, there were people of interest that were polygraphed over and over, they had all of their personal and business books gone over with a fine tooth comb. They pretty much were put through the ringer by LE. Yet, you never knew about it. It was never mentioned by LE or the media. I think that everything is just hinky to me because of LE's different approach to this case. Terri is probaby guilty of something regarding Kyron's dissapearance, but than my fairness factor kicks in. I find it horribly unfair that one parent is crucified in this case, the one that appeared to do the majority of the work raising this child, while the father gets a pass. He can say whatever he wants about the woman who raised his child, but the media is not allowed to say anything at all about him or his family. The more blatant it is, the more I want to root for the underdog and pray that Terri is innocent. Unfortunately, I don't think that is the case. At least not today. I retain the right to waffle once again. Poor Kyron.

I hear you, I have the same issues with LE and Kaine being the bullhorn to rag on Terri. Some of this stuff is for divorce court and it really has turned the focus away from Kyron for the public. I try to figure out where Terri put him, the next day I try to figure out who else Kyron went with.

[Justamama]

I read the article about Terri and one thing stood out is how much financial support she had from her parents and from ex's parents. And how little good her education had done her in the manner of getting the kind of job she wanted. And I sure didn't like her even more after reading the part about wanting the report from the teacher every day. Demanding ? No wonder Kyron was timid, probably had to get permission to inhale and exhale. And when it was ok to get up out of bed. I have Gkiddos, they do well at daycare, school, no issues and my daughter doesn't have extensive or intensive contact with the teacher. The little one is in daycare and there is a hello, goodbye and if anything happens during the day it is mentioned. There isn't any kind of daily talking to the other one's teachers ever and she is going into grade seven. Seems like excessive monitoring or something with her.

I STILL wanna know who paid for them big ol' sacks of saline that are under her bathing suit top.  That's a new $nowmobile right there if you ask me.

[Justamama]

Have you guys seen this comment, made by the maker of the videos, in his comment section at the link below? 

@charlisav "Thank you Charlis this whole thing has been breaking my heart since day on. It's all I do for about 10 12 hours a day scouring photos, looking for clues and discerning facts. Your efforts are appreciated. I have a little grandson named Kyron."

musicworldnewstoday1
2 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RigDPJBvXRs

  

Isn't TH's second husband's father's name Charlie??  The elder Ekert is named Charlie I do believe.  And by law considering the adoption that would legally make Kyron his grandson would it not?

No. Kyron would be no relation.

You're right.  I got lost swinging in the family tree.  I'm not much of a monkey yet.

[sebastian]

I guess for me, I just am questioning LE's motives regarding Terri. Why are they using Kaine and Desiree as their mouthpieces? Usually LE keeps things so close to the vest that you cannot get "boo" out of them. Is this a new tactic? I don't know. What I do know is that in another missing persons case, there were people of interest that were polygraphed over and over, they had all of their personal and business books gone over with a fine tooth comb. They pretty much were put through the ringer by LE. Yet, you never knew about it. It was never mentioned by LE or the media. I think that everything is just hinky to me because of LE's different approach to this case. Terri is probaby guilty of something regarding Kyron's dissapearance, but than my fairness factor kicks in. I find it horribly unfair that one parent is crucified in this case, the one that appeared to do the majority of the work raising this child, while the father gets a pass. He can say whatever he wants about the woman who raised his child, but the media is not allowed to say anything at all about him or his family. The more blatant it is, the more I want to root for the underdog and pray that Terri is innocent. Unfortunately, I don't think that is the case. At least not today. I retain the right to waffle once again. Poor Kyron.

I hear you, I have the same issues with LE and Kaine being the bullhorn to rag on Terri. Some of this stuff is for divorce court and it really has turned the focus away from Kyron for the public. I try to figure out where Terri put him, the next day I try to figure out who else Kyron went with.

You nailed it, when you said "it has turned the focus aways from Kyron for the public". Why? I have felt that all of this "he said, she said", the divorce proceedings etc are on purpose. But I just cannot figure out what the purpose would be? Trying to keep the public sidetracked from tooking a good, hard look at the school and its culpability? Maybe.

[Itaryl Moosee]

I read the article about Terri and one thing stood out is how much financial support she had from her parents and from ex's parents. And how little good her education had done her in the manner of getting the kind of job she wanted. And I sure didn't like her even more after reading the part about wanting the report from the teacher every day. Demanding ? No wonder Kyron was timid, probably had to get permission to inhale and exhale. And when it was ok to get up out of bed. I have Gkiddos, they do well at daycare, school, no issues and my daughter doesn't have extensive or intensive contact with the teacher. The little one is in daycare and there is a hello, goodbye and if anything happens during the day it is mentioned. There isn't any kind of daily talking to the other one's teachers ever and she is going into grade seven. Seems like excessive monitoring or something with her.

I STILL wanna know who paid for them big ol' sacks of saline that are under her bathing suit top.  That's a new $nowmobile right there if you ask me.

According to the article in oregonlive.com, after her restaurant failed, she sued the franchise for misrepresentation (or something) and she won $250,000.

Maybe some of that went into the silly cones?

[Claycat]

Do you remember, in that first video, it talked about Dr. Death and the Porn Queen?  I believe the person was talking about Terri as being the Porn Queen. 

I've been wondering who she meant as Dr. Death.  Who do you think of as Dr. Death?  Well, Hitler's Mengele came to mind.  Interestingly, Kaine's bio father was called Kurtis Mengel.  Do you think that might be an oblique reference to his family?

It was just something I was pondering. 

[pfaubush]

OK, so I totally believe there is something 'off' about JW. He did say that DS said she would never be with another man and he believed her. Didn't he also say that she got close to some man before they started dating and that DS reconnected with this man when their relationship started to go south? I've seen too many inconsistencies with this guys statements and posts. He's lost all credibility with me.

[Monkey King]

I don't understand his motive for coming forward.  I mean he has been out of Dede's life for quite some time and I don't know what he thinks he is going to contribute to the investigation.  I aksed this in the question section for him.  He hasnt replied.

OK, so I totally believe there is something 'off' about JW. He did say that DS said she would never be with another man and he believed her. Didn't he also say that she got close to some man before they started dating and that DS reconnected with this man when their relationship started to go south? I've seen too many inconsistencies with this guys statements and posts. He's lost all credibility with me.

[Claycat]

Klaas, do you think LE is paying attention to these videos that are being posted?