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« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2007, 08:01:24 PM »

I am sorry I do not even know if this will work. I am also sorry for not bringing a link to the page. What I did was bring over a post of Louise's from the thread in the lounge under what is possible? It is no longer on the front page of the lounge it is on page 2 of the lounge threads.Hope this helps.


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My ears are perked up! I'm an Indigo elder, one of the forerunners. My daughter is not Indigo but she thinks she is and that I am not. My oldest grandchild Joe is a Crystal. I don't usually bring this up because it is beyond most people's grasp and they think I'm nuts.

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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2007, 08:10:36 PM »

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I am sorry I do not even know if this will work. I am also sorry for not bringing a link to the page. What I did was bring over a post of Louise's from the thread in the lounge under what is possible? It is no longer on the front page of the lounge it is on page 2 of the lounge threads.Hope this helps.


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pdh3,

My ears are perked up! I'm an Indigo elder, one of the forerunners. My daughter is not Indigo but she thinks she is and that I am not. My oldest grandchild Joe is a Crystal. I don't usually bring this up because it is beyond most people's grasp and they think I'm nuts.

http://www.metagifted.org/

http://indigochild.com/

http://tinyurl.com/ocp2

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WEll, I sort of assumed.
When I lived in California as a young girl I was into many metaphysical persuasions.. Laughing
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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2007, 09:30:38 PM »

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ANNA,  
I am so grateful when you bring articles and your vast wealth of knowledge in here... please continue to do so.

TYLER>.. we need you back!!!!


ABSOLUTELY, Mrs. Red.

ANd, I also love reading what you write, Mrs. Red.
Of course, it helps that I agree with all of it as well! Wink


Well I don't mind reading stuff that I don't agree with.... I mean I have read AL FRANKEN's book and I constantly read stuff like that... when I have formed an opinion I have read and researched as much as I can before I think it....  

but yes, ArtColley... we do agree and thank you for the compliment!!
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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2007, 03:22:44 PM »

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Louise,

I have not been posting in the political threads for awhile now. Part of it is due to the way your post have been perceived by me. I know you say you are a crystal adult and I told you there may be others here that are also crystal adults.

I do not know what kind of loss you are suffering but maybe you should post it in the prayer thread rather than here. In fact my opinion only, but since you want to be left alone maybe it would be good for you to leave the political forum alone until you are recovered somewhat from your loss.

Right now you seem to be doing your political candidates a disservice by the way your post are being interpreted. Again my opinion only.



Okay, please enlighten me. WHAT is a Crystal Adult??????????
This inquiring mind would LOVE to know. Shocked



Art,
The first requisite is a very high IQ, tested over 140 which I highly doubt many here have.  Indigo children are supposed to be the next level of evolution with crystals following the indigos.  I understood there were no crystals before 1996 and have been told my middle child is likely an Indigo to explain his very high intelligence and yet lack of social skills as indigos frequently are not into that sort of thing.

Frankly, I do not believe in any of it and think it is yet another way to justify bad behavior especially on his part.  He doesn't think so either but we all agree he may have slight case of Asperger's syndrome instead to explain his rages about certain things as well as OCD and total germ/chemical phobias.  He is bright enough that the university he attends held his seat in med school for a year while he took off to deal with this and his eating disorder, something they do not normally do.  Yet in his social skills, there is much lacking as he is overly blunt, rude at times and seems to care little the effect this has on others.  He is not unfeeling, just highly impatient with others and has a very low tolerance for people who are not his intellectual equal which is just about everybody.  He reacts with anger sometimes because they cannot think on the level that he can and he is truly flabbergasted and seems to think it often deliberate on their part.

But back to Indigo Children and crystals, New Age, unproven and usually something one allows others to say about one as a sort of compliment.  It's the sort of thing that one shouldn't have to tell others, it should be self-evident when one is special with more and better insights as these people are alleged to have.

Sorry, but if one has to tell others that one is one, then you are likely not.  Very Happy It's the sort of thing that is very obvious to others.  This is not directed at any one person in particular just my thought on this claim to be more evolved than the rest of us.  If you truly were, someone would have noticed.  Just as superior intelligence is always evident after enough contact, this would be as well.  

And for the purpose of posting of a forum, we must all assume we are just equals.  There are none special among us who is allowed to attack and insult with impunity.  Just doesn't lend itself to this sort of thing well.  At the least, they are going to receive some very negative feedback from other posters.  Just the way it works.

And I for one would post more if every thread didn't get hijacked by somebody needing personal attention or trying to make themselves some sort of victim.  For example, I thought this thread was about Vladimir Putin and his recent rant against the U.S.   Rolling Eyes

Silly me!

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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2007, 03:33:27 PM »

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Louise,

I have not been posting in the political threads for awhile now. Part of it is due to the way your post have been perceived by me. I know you say you are a crystal adult and I told you there may be others here that are also crystal adults.

I do not know what kind of loss you are suffering but maybe you should post it in the prayer thread rather than here. In fact my opinion only, but since you want to be left alone maybe it would be good for you to leave the political forum alone until you are recovered somewhat from your loss.

Right now you seem to be doing your political candidates a disservice by the way your post are being interpreted. Again my opinion only.



Okay, please enlighten me. WHAT is a Crystal Adult??????????
This inquiring mind would LOVE to know. Shocked



Art,
The first requisite is a very high IQ, tested over 140 which I highly doubt many here have.  Indigo children are supposed to be the next level of evolution with crystals following the indigos.  I understood there were no crystals before 1996 and have been told my middle child is likely an Indigo to explain his very high intelligence and yet lack of social skills as indigos frequently are not into that sort of thing.

Frankly, I do not believe in any of it and think it is yet another way to justify bad behavior especially on his part.  He doesn't think so either but we all agree he may have slight case of Asperger's syndrome instead to explain his rages about certain things as well as OCD and total germ/chemical phobias.  He is bright enough that the university he attends held his seat in med school for a year while he took off to deal with this and his eating disorder, something they do not normally do.  Yet in his social skills, there is much lacking as he is overly blunt, rude at times and seems to care little the effect this has on others.  He is not unfeeling, just highly impatient with others and has a very low tolerance for people who are not his intellectual equal which is just about everybody.  He reacts with anger sometimes because they cannot think on the level that he can and he is truly flabbergasted and seems to think it often deliberate on their part.

But back to Indigo Children and crystals, New Age, unproven and usually something one allows others to say about one as a sort of compliment.  It's the sort of thing that one shouldn't have to tell others, it should be self-evident when one is special with more and better insights as these people are alleged to have.

Sorry, but if one has to tell others that one is one, then you are likely not.  Very Happy It's the sort of thing that is very obvious to others.  This is not directed at any one person in particular just my thought on this claim to be more evolved than the rest of us.  If you truly were, someone would have noticed.  Just as superior intelligence is always evident after enough contact, this would be as well.  

And for the purpose of posting of a forum, we must all assume we are just equals.  There are none special among us who is allowed to attack and insult with impunity.  Just doesn't lend itself to this sort of thing well.  At the least, they are going to receive some very negative feedback from other posters.  Just the way it works.

And I for one would post more if every thread didn't get hijacked by somebody needing personal attention or trying to make themselves some sort of victim.  For example, I thought this thread was about Vladimir Putin and his recent rant against the U.S.   Rolling Eyes

Silly me!

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Anna, Thank YOu!


I agree with all the above that you wrote...right down to the part about the truly gifted and special..they do NOT have to tell a soul. It is apparant.

You have much patience, Anna , Far more than me right now.

I so appreciate your posts and enjoy reading them. I do hope you continue to post, there are those of us that just appreciate you so much.

HOpefully, I'll get my articulation back to the point where I can join in more!  In the meantime, I content myself by reading more than posting! Laughing
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« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2007, 01:28:15 AM »

In an effort to get another thread back on track post crystal children sidetracking and the like...........this column by Charles Krauthammer reviews my concerns regarding Putin's move to the public offensive quite well.

Take the time to read this and note Putin's alliances:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/15/AR2007021501282.html

The Putin Doctrine
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, February 16, 2007; Page A23

Vladimir Putin -- Russia's president, although the more accurate title would be godfather -- made headlines last week with a speech in Munich that set a new standard in anti-Americanism. He not only charged the United States with the "hyper-use of force," "disdain for the basic principles of international law" and having "overstepped its national borders in . . . the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations." He even blamed the spread of weapons of mass destruction, which the United States has been combating with few allies and against constant Russian resistance, on American "dominance" that "inevitably encourages" other countries to acquire them.

There is something amusing about criticism of the use of force by the man who turned Chechnya into a smoldering ruin; about the invocation of international law by the man who will not allow Scotland Yard to interrogate the polonium-soaked thugs it suspects of murdering Alexander Litvinenko, yet another Putin opponent who met an untimely and unprosecuted death; about the bullying of other countries decried by a man who cuts off energy supplies to Ukraine, Georgia and Belarus in brazen acts of political and economic extortion.
 
Less amusing is the greater meaning of Putin's Munich speech. It marks Russia's coming out. Flush with oil and gas revenue, the consolidation of dictatorial authority at home and the capitulation of both domestic and Western companies to his seizure of their assets, Putin issued his boldest declaration yet that post-Soviet Russia is preparing to reassert itself on the world stage.

Perhaps the most important line in his speech was the least noted because it seemed so innocuous. "I very often hear appeals by our partners, including our European partners, to the effect that Russia should play an increasingly active role in world affairs," he said. "It is hardly necessary to incite us to do so."

Soviet foreign minister Andrei Gromyko once boasted that no conflict anywhere on the globe could be settled without taking into account the attitude and interests of the Soviet Union. Gromyko's description of Soviet influence constitutes the best definition ever formulated of the term "superpower."

And we know how Putin, who has called the demise of the Soviet Union the greatest political catastrophe of the 20th century, yearns for those superpower days. At Munich, he could not even disguise his Cold War nostalgia, asserting that "global security" was ensured by the "strategic potential of two superpowers."

Putin's bitter complaint is that today there remains only one superpower, the behemoth that dominates a "unipolar world." He knows that Moscow lacks the economic, military and even demographic means to challenge America as it did in Soviet days. He speaks more modestly of coalitions of aggrieved have-not countries that Russia might lead in countering American power.

Hence his increasingly active foreign policy -- military partnerships with China, nuclear cooperation with Iran, weapon supplies to Syria and Venezuela, diplomatic support as well as arms for a genocidal Sudan, friendly outreach to other potential partners of an anti-hegemonic (read: anti-American) alliance.

Is this a return to the Cold War? It is true that the ex-KGB agent occasionally lets slip a classic Marxist anachronism such as "foreign capital" (referring to Western oil companies) or the otherwise weird adjective "vulgar" (describing the actions of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which infuriated Putin by insisting upon a clean election in Ukraine). He even intimated that he might undo one of the unequivocal achievements of the late Cold War era, the so-called "zero option" agreement of 1987, and restore a Soviet-style, medium-range ballistic missile force.

Nonetheless, Putin's aggressiveness does not signal a return to the Cold War. He is too clever to be burdened by the absurdity of socialist economics or Marxist politics. He is blissfully free of ideology, political philosophy and economic theory. There is no existential dispute with the United States.

He is a more modest man: a mere mafia don, seizing the economic resources and political power of a country for himself and his (mostly KGB) cronies. And promoting his vision of the Russian national interest -- assertive and expansionist -- by engaging in diplomacy that challenges the dominant power in order to boost his own.

He wants Gromyko's influence -- or at least some international acknowledgment that Moscow must be reckoned with -- without the ideological baggage. He does not want to bury us; he only wants to diminish us. It is 19th-century power politics at its most crude and elemental. Putin does not want us as an enemy. But at Munich he told the world that, vis-à-vis America, his Russia has gone from partner to adversary.
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« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2007, 11:16:04 AM »

Thanks for bring that article, None.

I fear that too many people are not listening... and it's scary. The cold war was just that, cold but this new threat isn't.  It's as white hot as it gets... and for the first time (maybe it's age) I am really concerned that our way of life is going to be adversely affected.

I fear that too many people are just listening to NBC nigthly news and believing every word that they spout.  They have become about as Anti American as it gets to my way of thinking.

People somehow think that this is the first time we are hated in the world... that it's Bush's fault, but the truth is the US has always been hated by those that want us to become as ineffectual as they are.

We have Leslie, a Canadian, that stated either in this thread or another that the US has too much power and she fears that we do as we wish (words are paraphrased) but when was the last time we attacked Mexico or Canada to annex them?
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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2007, 12:36:38 PM »

Mrs Red-

We agree and your analogy of white hot is very accurate, this is the latest installment of Putin's efforts to install a strategy pointing toward all predicted in this latest article. Is anyone listening ? I am worried they are not, I also hope someone puts every presidential candidate out there on the line immediately with questions regarding their strategy on how to contend with this new reality and offensive by Russia?

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FYI, Ivanov was 'in charge' as Minister of Defense in this last year as several in the military dared to report they were sexually and physically abused while under his watch? So if this is how he treats his own military, does anyone in North America think he and Putin will respect our way of life?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/16/world/europe/16russia.html

Putin, Promoting an Ally, Fuels Speculation Over Successor

MOSCOW, Feb. 15 — President Vladimir V. Putin on Thursday added intrigue to the unsettled but widely debated question of who might succeed him as Russia’s leader in 2008 when he promoted his minister of defense in an unexpected cabinet tinkering.

Sergei B. Ivanov, a former K.G.B. officer who became the first civilian to lead the country’s military in 2001, will now serve as a first deputy prime minister, giving him expanded duties. He will have the same rank in government and title as another closely watched contender, Dmitri A. Medvedev.

The two men, who are friends and close aides from Mr. Putin’s hometown, St. Petersburg, have emerged as the leading candidates to replace Mr. Putin when he completes a second and — by law — final term after presidential elections scheduled for March 2008.

The move, which went largely unexplained like most of Mr. Putin’s actions, is certain to intensify speculation over which of the two might have the upper hand for Mr. Putin’s endorsement. That would be a virtual guarantee of election, given his popularity and the centralized control of politics here.

Since Mr. Putin’s last significant cabinet reshuffling in November 2005, Mr. Medvedev had nominally been Mr. Ivanov’s superior in the government. Mr. Medvedev also serves as chairman of the Russian energy giant, Gazprom.

“I think it is the formulation of the two candidates for the presidency of the Russian Federation in 2008,” said Sergei A. Markov, director of the Institute of Political Studies, who works closely with the Kremlin.

Mr. Putin also moved to settle a struggle for control of Chechnya, the southern republic where Russian forces have largely crushed a separatist movement in two wars since 1994. Appearing on television later Thursday night, Mr. Putin accepted the resignation of Chechnya’s president, Alu D. Alkhanov, and appointed him a deputy justice minister.

With Mr. Alkhanov’s departure, Ramzan Kadyrov, the republic’s prime minister and a man whose fighters have been broadly accused of rampant human rights violations, becomes the acting president. Mr. Kadyrov and Mr. Alkhanov have quarreled openly in recent weeks, prompting so many rumors of intrigue and betrayals that Mr. Alkhanov had declared that he had no intention of leaving office.

Mr. Kadyrov is the son of Mr. Alkhanov’s predecessor, Akhmad Kadyrov, who was assassinated by rebels in 2004. The younger Mr. Kadyrov turned 30 last year, reaching the minimum age for the republic’s presidency, and was widely assumed to be waiting in the wings for the top post.

Tanya Lokshina, a prominent rights campaigner who travels to the region frequently, said Mr. Alkhanov’s removal cemented Mr. Kadyrov’s control over Chechnya’s affairs, underscoring the Kremlin’s disregard for complaints about Mr. Kadyrov’s tactics. “There’s not even a nominal president who was protesting what Kadyrov is doing,” she said, calling him a feudal leader. “That’s what Alkhanov was doing.”

On the national level, Mr. Putin has not signaled that he has a preferred candidate to replace him, as Boris N. Yeltsin tipped Mr. Putin to be his successor shortly after appointing him prime minister in August 1999. Four months later, on New Year’s Eve, Mr. Yeltsin resigned and made Mr. Putin acting president.

Mr. Putin announced the changes in televised meetings, the first with his ministers and later with leaders of the Ministry of Defense. Mr. Medvedev was absent from at least the televised portions of the meetings, and Mr. Putin did not mention him.

The president said he was expanding Mr. Ivanov’s duties to include “a part of the civil sector of the economy,” as well as the military industries that have undergone a significant consolidation under Mr. Putin. “I hope that what positive has been done in the military-industrial complex will extend to the civil sector, as well,” he said.

Mr. Medvedev, 41, has overseen economic and social issues, a portfolio he will now have to share with Mr. Ivanov.

“Ivanov is an equal of Putin,” said Olga V. Kryshtanovskaya, a sociologist who studies Russia’s leaders, calling him “successor No. 1.” “He is no less clever. Ivanov should show himself as a strong figure, capable of making firm decisions. But of course, he could not just work on defense. He had to operate wider. This is the next step.”

Mr. Markov, by contrast, said the undeclared race remained wide open, though he said the move could help Mr. Ivanov by distancing him from the military, which, despite an aggressive effort to rearm and rebuild, remains scarred by accusations of corruption and a brutal system of hazing young draftees.

Mr. Ivanov, 54, faced unusual public criticism last year after a particularly egregious hazing episode that left a private maimed. The appointment, Mr. Markov said, “liberated him from the not quite convenient theme of the Russian military.”

Mr. Ivanov’s replacement as defense minister is Anatoly E. Serdyukov, a former army officer and furniture manufacturer who has served as a tax inspector since Mr. Putin became president in 2000. Since July 2004, he has served as the head of the Federal Tax Service, an agency that has streamlined itself significantly but that remains a feared bureaucracy, one that critics say has been used selectively to punish opponents.

At a news conference this month, Mr. Putin faced repeated questions about his successor, but refused to answer them directly.

“Everyone who should be is already working in his proper place,” he said, apparently not hinting at the shuffle announced Thursday. “And what we should do is not to make a fuss about future elections but, as I have said, provide the citizens with an opportunity to make a free and democratic choice.”

Andrew Kramer contributed reporting.


Oh and this was reported also in the Canadian papers and I think the rhetoric used and the slams made against the US can give us both some insight into why Leslie is convinced she should fear the US? Interesting in that should Canada ever be under fire or fearful of impending invasion, the first force to assist her would be the US? Amazing.....perhaps the US should not move to assist Canada but rather allow those fine French to do so?

Some of us in the US might not agree with every aspect of the war in Iraq at least I do not, but I do agree that our entire world must fight back against terrorism, so what has been Canada's strategy other than to allow a flood of extremists into Canada and then to sneak into the US? Do tell....glass houses as they say IMO


http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2007/02/16/3637380-sun.html

Fri, February 16, 2007

Putin kicks up Cold War rhetoric
By PETER WORTHINGTON

     
 

What everyone seems to have missed in Vladimir Putin's "Cold War" assessment of America last weekend, is that he had a point.

Speaking to an international security conference that included American Defence Secretary Robert Gates, Sen. John McCain and others, the Russian President ditched diplomatic niceties and savaged America's foreign policy as intruding and interfering into the affairs of other countries, pushing NATO to expand its role, and using their military might as a blunt instrument of persuasion.

In short, behaving like the world's only superpower.

In essence, when America can't persuade others to do what it considers is the right thing, it just does it alone. In some ways, Putin's criticisms were reminiscent of the Democrats objections to President Bush.

On the other hand, what Putin was accusing America of doing is what Russia used to do when it was the Soviet Union -- and what Putin would like to do today if he were able.
 

Putin has increasingly solidified harsh control in Russia. As his domestic strength grows, the less his patience is for the rituals of "democracy." He doesn't shrink from using oil and gas reserves to pressure or blackmail Belarus and other states into conforming -- while blaming America for financially aiding his opposition.

To Gates, Putin was reviving Cold War rhetoric, while to McCain he was being "needlessly confrontational." To casual observers, Putin's severe language invokes fear of collision between the U.S. and Russia.

Unlikely. Overlooked in Putin's remarks was that he sees Bush as "a decent man with whom one can do business." He recalled Bush saying that Russia and the U.S. will never be enemies.

"And I agree," he added.

So what about Putin's criticisms of American policies?

It's understandable that he sees the U.S. fixation on developing continental missile defence (rejected by Canada) as threatening. Equally understandable is that he wants to develop a Russian version of an anti-missile shield (that will be costlier and less efficient than an American one).

Putin's concern about America's destabilizing influence in the Mideast since 9/11 -- all in the name of advancing democracy -- is justified only because America has basically failed. Militarily, the U.S. has been phenomenally successful; diplomatically and socially -- disastrous.

Putin himself has shown Bush-like stubbornness trying to tame Chechnya. He interferes in the affairs of Georgia, Belarus, the Caucasuses. In the U.S. and Russian cases, had either or both succeeded, criticism would have been muted. For both, success is the only virtue; failure the cardinal sin.

We in the West may deplore Putin's undemocratic impulses, but what else should be expected from a former KGB servant of Soviet tyranny? Putin is not a nutbar, like Kim Jong Il in North Korea. He speaks for many when he says in today's world, America is the "one centre of power ... uncontained hyper use of (military) force ... (and) has overstepped its national borders in every area ... " And so on.

DOESN'T OBJECT TO FORCE

Putin doesn't object to force being used domestically.

That's what he does. Nor does he hesitate to crush terrorist movements that the old Kremlin once supported, but now oppose him. Had the U.S. succeeded in subduing Iraq, Putin would have yielded. But in America's failure, he sees opportunity. That's the Russian way.

But world peace is not threatened by Putin. The danger will be how the next U.S. president behaves -- and how he/she is perceived by this cold-eyed, cold-hearted, calculating and competent new Czar of Russia.
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« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2007, 10:22:09 PM »

Not only that, but I just saw a documentary last week about the Chezenaen (sp) rebels that killed all those children in the school.  OMG... they are headebd back to the old Soviet Union I fear...

and I do not believe that this is Bush's doing... this has been building since way before he was in office.  Unfortunately there have been those to use the Oval Office as their private playground and have let sleeping dogs lie too long..... so we were "loved" when we refused to stand up for ourselves and sold secrets to the Chinese or the highest bidder....I really fear where we are headed.  I think it's been in the making for way too long..... and unfortunately we have to stop it now...
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« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2007, 11:25:35 PM »

Ok, this all really scares me.
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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2007, 03:13:05 AM »

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Ok, this all really scares me.


It does me as well Dihannah and I am relieved I am not alone, thank you for realizing the stakes are so high in this next election, we cannot afford on-the-job-training for our next President - they must come ready to handle the challenges.
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« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2007, 12:04:53 PM »

Well in reading here... http://english.pravda.ru/russia/kremlin/16-02-2007/87515-putin_government-0

it seems to me that Putin is not going to allow anyone or anything to alter his plans.


Putin starts political intrigue linked with Russia’s new president in 2008
Front page / Russia / News from the Kremlin
16.02.2007 Source:            
 
 
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New appointments, which Putin made in the Russian government yesterday, do not mean that the president decided to seriously reconsider his views and preferences on the threshold of elections. Putin made the reshuffle to strengthen the structure of power which the president apparently prefers at the moment. However, Russian scientists of politics were shocked with yesterday’s news from the Kremlin.

 
 
Putin prepares for 2008 election year
 
 
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Putin signed the decree to appoint Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov for the position of the first vice prime minister in the government. Now there are two fist PMs: Dmitry Medvedev was appointed for the position too when he left the Kremlin administration. The position of the defense minister has been taken by Anatoly Serdyukov, who previously chaired the Federal Tax Service. Sergei Naryshkin, the head of the governmental administration was appointed for the post of the vice prime minister.

Sources from the Kremlin say that Putin made the new appointments after a detailed conversation with Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov. When Putin was holding the press conference for Russian and foreign journalists in the Kremlin, a reporter asked the president if possible candidates for presidency were supposed to have an experience of working on high-ranking positions. “All of them already work on their positions,” Putin stated. Yesterday’s decision apparently dotted all i’s at this point.

The two central candidates for presidency – Sergei Ivanov and Dmitry Medvedev - have thus been equalized in their status. The position of the defense minister was not really good for Ivanov: the minister had to make numerous excuses for incidents of hazing in the Russian army. Such activities were obviously earning him ill reputation. Now Ivanov and Medvedev take similar positions in the Russian government, which means that attempts to use army crimes to defame Ivanov as a presidential candidate will be taken to no avail.

Putin said that he decided to expand Sergei Ivanov’s responsibility in the government. “In addition to the defense complex, Mr. Ivanov will be in charge of a certain part of the civil sector of the economy,” Putin said.

The new appointments in the government may guarantee that there will be no fierce battles in Putin’s team during the election year 2008. The president trusts the two first vice prime ministers. To crown it all, Medvedev and Ivanov maintain warm and friendly relations with each other.

Vremya Novostei

Translated by Dmitry Sudakov
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« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2007, 12:18:56 PM »

yep, the KGB rules Russia now ! forgive my cynicism !
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« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2007, 10:45:47 PM »

I do not like putin...I haexpressed this quite plainly.i am Dancingbear of the catamount clan,also known as cat.I do not but I could climb well and did.i do not have great amounts brains,I really dance like a bear,and I find many things amusing.i wish I could climb,like before,but life is funny.I still do not like or trust Putin.My wife is a little wind in the dark forrest,from the city of bears.Her name for putin,is the enemy.CAT
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« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2007, 07:22:27 PM »

Has Putin Struck Again -- This Time In US?
Have the defenders of Vladamir Putin's name gone beyond gunfire in Moscow and Polonium in London in their retaliation against Putin's critics and brought their violence to the US? The National Terror Alert reports:


FBI agents say they are assisting police in suburban Washington who are investigating the shooting of a Russian expert a man who spoke out on “Dateline NBC” last weekend and strongly suggested that remnants of the KGB were responsible for the bizarre poisoning death of Alexander Litvinenko.

Officials said Paul Joyal was walking up his driveway on Lackawanna Street at about 7:30 p.m. when he was confronted by two men and shot. He was taken to an area hospital in serious condition.

Neighbors said police responded quickly to the shooting.

Nothing appears to have been taken from Joyal and a witness claimed to have heard one of the men tell the other man to go ahead and shoot Joyal.

Earlier, at about 6 p.m., Joyal met his friend, Oleg Kalugin, at the Spy Museum. Kalugin, an ex-KGB general, is an advisory director of the museum. After he was shot, Joyal told his wife to call Kalugin to tell him about the shooting, sources told Collins.



Joyal was an acquaintance of Polonium victim Alexander Litvinenko, so conclusion-drawing is good sport in this story. In its report, Al Jaaz comes even closer to implicating Putin:


In an interview broadcast last Sunday on 'Dateline NBC', Joyal had accused the Russian government of trying to silence its critics.

"A message has been communicated to anyone who wants to speak out against the Kremlin: If you do, no matter who you are, where you are, we will find you, and we will silence you - in the most horrible way possible," Joyal said.
The National Terror Alert report also mentions that another participant in the Dateline story has died suddenly and unexpectedly:

In a strange twist, another man who also appeared on the “Dateline” broadcast died of a heart attack last month. Reporter Daniel McGrory of the Times of London, who has written about the Litvinenko case, died Feb. 20, before the “Dateline” segment was broadcast. He was 54. His family said he “died suddenly at home."
There's a lot left to be investigated in this story, but how long will leaders of the West continue to treat Putin, who WaPo described in an editorial today as a "Gangster President," as a peer and not the leader of the world's foremost Mafiacracy?

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« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2007, 11:28:48 AM »

it's terrifying but once again, our own citizens don't seem to care that Putin can send out his blue mafia to any country and play hit man  Rolling Eyes

apathy..........I am beginning to think liberal is synonymous with apathy
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« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2007, 10:57:21 PM »

Quote from: "nonesuche"
it's terrifying but once again, our own citizens don't seem to care that Putin can send out his blue mafia to any country and play hit man  Rolling Eyes

apathy..........I am beginning to think liberal is synonymous with apathy


it is...
and all the poliltical correctness crap is killing this country...and the other thing I notice when a liberal person is on tv being a talking head, it's all about "feelings" not cold hard facts.... and they never just answer the questions with anything other than to scream racist, or homophobe... or someother speech quelling thought...

and people still allow that as well.... why?  we really need to wake up.

First smoking is illegal and now donuts... tell me what's next.... and you are all intelligent enough that I don't have to expound on this thought... Wink
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« Reply #57 on: March 09, 2007, 02:39:18 AM »

22 Russians made Forbes billionaire list of 100 this year, Roman Abramovich made the top ten, the very same individual who had lunch with Paul Klebinov just hours prior to Klebnikov being gunned down and killed in the street outside his Forbes office in Moscow in 2004. Klebnikov was then head of the Russian Forbes operation and it has been speculated that Abramovich's mentor Berezovsky ordered the killing. Abramovich is also quite close to Putin and remains quite close to Putin, his other mentor.

So ironic, it all comes full circle with Abramovich now on the Forbes top ten list.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2007, 02:59:49 AM »

Roman best watch his drink.  Putty Putin will make him a lethal cocktail and confiscate his wealth, either before or after the cocktail.  Communism cannot support its own, it must be able to take down those with wealth, regardless of whether they earned it or obtained it illegally.  Communism nipping around the edges.  Before long, the world will have to recognize Putin for what he is, just a sleezy hack for the KGB.
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