It worries me.... and this is why

[Anna]

Yes Anna,

Since the official end of the Vietnam War was 27 Jan 1973, which was 34 years ago, anyone who would have served in combat in Vietnam would have to be 50+ years old by now. Actually with 4mos bootcamp and at least one leave and one month in theater, one would probably need to be at least 18 on Jun 72 to have served in combat, thus an age of at least 51.5 by as of now.

Just saying that if a person was 39 years old now as previously claimed, they would not have been old enough to have fought in Vietnam.

 

[Anna]

Regarding the followig~ If said intelligence individual were to breach that silence in any manner to a family member, that individual needs to be prosecuted and expelled from said position.

I would imagine that those individuals who do work in intelligence are at no more liberty to reveal information to a family member than the FBI is.

Why do you liberals always have to put words in the mouths of others?  You pretend somebody said something they didn't and then attack them based on your own lies.

That said, I happen to know my own son quite well and also to appreciate that he has a very high level of moral reasoning and a much stronger sense of loyalty to his country than the average person for he could easily earn three times the amount of his government pay but choses to serve his country instead.

Twisting that into some sort of malfeasance on his part is just plain sick and reprehensible, juistinsmama.  You have no right to do such a thing and should be ashamed of yourself.  I have NEVER done any such rude and disgusting thing to you.  

But I do know that he is in a position to know many things and would not participate in any of the evil plots suggested by some posting here.  And I don't see him requesting to be released from duty.  

None of that requires any security breach at all.  When he had a serious automobile accident in D.C. I had the privilege of meeting his boss, receiving calls from the head of the intelligence agency for which he works and a private tour.  He has been employed since he turned 18 even while still in school the 20 hours Georgetown allowed per week.  

Yes, I do have a very thorough understanding of the intelligence community as a result of direct exposure through this member of my immeidate family and others going back two generations.  I have done classified work myself in the past.  

Why you need to turn that into something illegal or immoral is beyond me but I guess you need to do that in order to discredit others.  Well, it doesn't require the devulging of classified information for one to understand what their own child will and will not do or be a party to.

Maybe some of you are just too stupid to understand that but the implication that my son has done something illegal is not acceptable and I will never forget the suggestion that he did for it is one of the nastiest things I have ever seen anybody post, attacking the child of another like that without one shred of proof.

You disgust me beyond belief!

What little. petty and evil people post here!  So now we attack each other's children with false accusations??  Nice, really really nice.  

       

You can kiss both mine and my son's ass! It makes me sick that he risks his life at times for people like you with so little appreciation.  I truly wish he were in some other line of work where he did not have to do so and could just rake in much higher pay in the private sector and not expose himself to the things that he does for people who are not any more appreciative than to invent lies and accusations about him without even knowing him, me or anything about it.

I have never been so disgusted in my life with the leftists in this country.  And I sure don't want any kid of mine ever in any danger for their benefit.

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[justinsmama]

LOL! over the distortions of who presented what here!

[Leslie]

Anna:  CALM DOWN.  Justinsmama and you are agreeing.  She didn't say anything against your son in her response to Nonesuche.   You have attacked and insulted justinsmama over words she never said or implied.

[Anna]

Oh, yes, please--more of Widget's brilliance.  I guess that math that said he was 39 last year when he adopted those girls yet fought in Vietnam as a Marine no less is how he arrives at his conclusions concerning the economy.

Sorry, but it is too late for Bush's policies of reducing taxes have already been an unmitigated success.  But I will agree that the economy could now tank at any moment now that we have the worst congress in the history of the country, full of traitors and socialists.  
They badly need both a defeat in Iraq and the economy to tank in order to garner votes in 2008, the only thing they care about, in order to have one more shot at that U.S. Treasury.

The pork they are stuffing even in the military funding would tank any economy but that does not detract from the fact that not only has the economy been solidly on sound footing despite 9-ll and Katrina, a record amount of taxes was collected in a single day recently.  And the budget deficit is half of what was projected for this year.  Not a bad record at all.

Too bad we now have a legislative branch ready to flush it all away.

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Bush's Real Record
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Posted 1/31/2007

Economy: The mantra among critics of President Bush is that he's been "incompetent" as chief executive. To which we respond: Looked at the U.S. economy lately?

In his "State of the Economy" speech Wednesday, Bush expressed justifiable pride in his economic accomplishments. Our good friend Larry Kudlow keeps calling it "the greatest story never told." And indeed it is.

The Bush-is-a-failure mantra is, quite simply, out of touch with reality. What the economy's done in the past six years, especially in view of what Bush faced on entering office, has been nothing short of remarkable.

Remember that first bleak week, way back in January 2001? The economy was in a free fall, with job growth having peaked in mid-summer 2000. During Bush's first quarter in office, the economy actually shrank.

This wasn't surprising, given the Fed had been ratcheting up interest rates for two years and the stock market had just suffered its biggest meltdown. Americans took a $7 trillion hit from that debacle, and some feared we might even slide into a depression.

Then came the first attack on U.S. soil since Pearl Harbor, killing 3,000 people, costing $100 billion in direct costs to the economy and untold billions more in indirect costs, and damaging the national psyche. People stopped flying and buying. They cocooned.

It was the worst first year for a president since FDR. But Bush turned a potential disaster into one of the success stories of the post-World War II era. Yet few credit him for it.

His three tax cuts pushed 5 million mostly low-income families off the tax rolls and substantially shifted the tax burden toward the rich. Despite harsh criticism, the cuts revived the economy.

Where are we today? "Across our nation," Bush said Wednesday, "small businesses and entrepreneurs are creating millions of new jobs. Retail sales are up, consumer spending is strong, exports of goods and services have jumped by nearly 35%. The Dow (industrial average) has set records 26 times in the past four months. Productivity is strong, and that's translating into higher wages."

Every word true. And yet, our newspapers and TV talking heads are obsessed with stories of mass "inequality" and "middle-class squeeze" and "jobs shipped abroad" and "falling behind."

Reality is quite different, of course. But reality can never be permitted to get in the way of Bush-bashing — the stock in trade of the mainstream media and their allies in the Democratic Party.

So what's the real record? Since Bush's tax cuts took effect in mid-2003:

• Real gross domestic product is up to $1.33 trillion, or 12.6%.

• Existing businesses have hired 5.9 million workers (not counting the millions of jobs entrepreneurs have created).

• Corporate profits have soared 91% to $1.6 trillion.

• Tax receipts have leapt $503 billion, or roughly 1.1 percentage points of GDP, refuting the notion the tax cuts "caused" deficits.

And thanks to rebounding stock prices and huge gains in home values, Americans' total wealth has soared 39% to $54 trillion — the biggest expansion ever.

After such a stellar performance, a breather — what economists call a "midcycle correction" — would be in order. Yet the economy continues to power ahead.

In 2006's final period, GDP growth was 3.5%, and it has averaged 3% since the tax cuts. Real wages rose 1.7% in '06, much faster than the 0.3% average of the Clinton years. In just the last 12 months, unemployment plunged from 5.0% to 4.5%, near postwar lows.

More of us have jobs, own homes and businesses, and work for higher pay than at any time in history. We're the richest people on earth. For a change, let this story be told.

 

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[Leslie]

Please use the Google for "Fiscal Wake-up Tour"

(David) Walker added, "Stated differently, the government should be leading by example and is failing miserably in that regard.  It's easy to spend someone else's money -- especially when it belongs to grandkids, who can't vote."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/294139_debt30.html

[Leslie]

Fiscal Wake-Up Tour:
The world according to David Walker
By Shelia Watson - Contributing Writer

David Walker is an accountant by trade. And not just any accountant—he’s the nation’s top accountant and auditor, the comptroller general of the United States, and head of the Government Accountability Office on a 15-year term that will run through 2013.
Politically and ideologically, he was formerly a conservative Democrat, then a moderate Republican and is now an independent. He said heading up the Fiscal Wake-Up Tour is democracy in action.
“We’re trying to make democracy work,” he said. “We’re trying to make the first three words of the Constitution come alive.” (We the people...)
And all with one purpose in mind: to inform America about its impending fiscal crisis. His comments are short, to the point and, he admits, a bit acerbic.
Prescription-drug coverage under Medicare, which took effect Jan. 1, has a projected cost that was advertised at $400 billion over 10 years when it passed in 2003, but has since risen to at least $720 billion.
“We simply can’t afford it,” Walker said.
The bulk of President George W. Bush’s 10-year, $1.35 trillion tax-cut program is set to expire at the end of 2010. Congress is taking steps to make the reductions permanent, which would keep tax revenue at about 18% of the economy, where it’s been for the past half-century—too low to support even current spending levels.
“We can’t afford to make all the tax cuts permanent,” Walker said.
“I think the president’s come a long way in saying we need to balance the budget within a reasonable amount of time,” he explained. “We made a down payment on a multi-trillion-dollar imbalance. We just need to figure out where do we go from there. The problem is he doesn’t have a lot of political capital.”
Walker said the tour is important because the people need to see a face behind the message. Walker’s face is certainly being seen, particularly on several national news shows, including CBS’ “60 Minutes” and Fox News Channel’s “Your World with Neil Cavuto.”
Charleston is the 19th stop on the tour, which makes roughly two stops per month and will run through 2008.
“We’re trying to leverage technology, we’re trying to leverage the media and we’re trying to leverage professional business, labor and other groups.”
Including Hollywood. Walker said there are two documentaries being made of the Fiscal Wake-Up Tour.
“Hey, maybe we’ll end up winning an Oscar,” he laughed. “If Al Gore can get one for touting the environment, surely we can get one talking about the budget.”
http://www.charlestonbusiness.com/pub/13_6/news/8939-1.html

[Anna]

Bullshit, Leslie!  Nothing that Nonesuche posted implied or gave any cause to suggest any impropriety or breach of security on the part of my son.  Justinsmama {{edit}}
That goes for you as well!  Double in fact!

It is a total non sequitur to what was said and I have to wonder just why such a thought would even occur to anybody.  But then I have forgotten that it is now against the law to be a conservative in this country as we have just seen in the Scooter Libby trial.  That's the liberal solution to political opponents now, try to put them in jail.  That's what all this subpoena business currently being discussed in violation of the constitution's separation of powers provisions.

It was rude, crude and totally out of line as were your own remarks concerning my son's place of employment.  In fact you sound rather jealous and disregarding of the fact that not all information is classified at all.

The two of you just might be surprised at the amount of information that is NOT classified, ever think about that?  Just stuff that is not classified but our slanted Pravda-like media does not care to report, lots of that kind of info out there.

But no, I certainly would never even assume to be equal to the likes of you and justins and widget much less of any more importance for obviously your opinions are facts now.

And I certainly hope that I have insulted both you and justins for you certainly have me and just keep in mind that YOU TWO STARTED IT if you like things on that level of infantile behavior.  You have just about cleared out all the original conservative posters on this conservative political forum, the ones who predate even Natalee with your nastiness.

But then that's the idea, isn't it?        

The jihadists have stated 2015 as their targeted date for restoration of the caliphate and the sure seem right on schedule in Canada.  I only hope and pray that when car bombings and IED's are common here that those in the military and intelligence refuse to defend those who have been trashing them  and leave them totally to their own defense.  Only fair and that thought makes me smile.       Would be not only fair but also fitting to the situation.  Just an en mass resignation and every man for himself kind of thing.

And this nastiness to those in service of their country has resulted in far more leaving than just me, one with both FBI and military comes to mind right away.  This was a conservative political blog long before Natalee disappeared and many of us were here even then but this kind of attack on other people's children and the military and intelligence service is just totally out of line and unacceptable.  Shame on both you and justins!

But as I said, that's the idea, isn't it, insult and make people angry enough they don't come back?  Justins should have known somebody would email me that little bit of nastiness on her part, not the first time either.  Well,  Congrats!  You two are doing a fine job of thinning out the long time posters. No, I understand exactly what Justins said and here it is again below as you seem a bit confused on the matter.      

You know what they always say:  "You can lead a liberal to the facts but you cant make him think."

Regarding the followig~ If said intelligence individual were to breach that silence in any manner to a family member, that individual needs to be prosecuted and expelled from said position.

I would imagine that those individuals who do work in intelligence are at no more liberty to reveal information to a family member than the FBI is.

[Tylergal]

Leslie, what business is it of yours that you stick your unthinking nose into the business of a country that you hate so much.  Why do you feel your importance to come here and denitrate our country, when you come from a country whose freedom and trade is ensured by this one and those who fight and die to keep your uncaring brainless body safe.

Justinsmama, I am embarrassed and ashamed of you{{edit}}
You both need to clean up around your own back doors and quit feeding at the trough long enough to realize who is ensuring that trough is there for you to suck up from.

[Leslie]

Really Anna, you have taken your personal attacks to a new level of crudeness, but why are you so angry?    I read Nonesuche's words and understood them to mean exactly as justinsmama did.  Maybe you should have never posted anything about your son's career.

[Leslie]

Leslie, what business is it of yours that you stick your unthinking nose into the business of a country that you hate so much.  
I don't hate the United States of America at all;  I have American relatives, I have done lots of business with your country and been a guest in the U.S. many times.  Please refrain from insulting me and making false statements.  
Why do you feel your importance to come here and denitrate (denigrate?)our country, when you come from a country whose freedom and trade is ensured by this one and those who fight and die to keep your uncaring brainless body safe.
Canadian troops are in Afghanistan.  
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/afghanistan/canada.html
You both (justinsmama and Leslie) need to clean up around your own back doors and quit feeding at the trough long enough to realize who is ensuring that trough is there for you to suck up from.
I don't know what

trough

you think I am feeding at.  Please enlighten me.[/i]

[mrs. red]

I read the attack the same way that ANNA did... what I understood Justin'sMama to say was that Anna's son should be prosecuted if he spilled secrets to her.... which she NEVER claimed he did.

and I think her anger in that regard is completely justified...

Damn it, I thought we had gotten past the absolute bullshit of whining about "anger"...

there is plenty to discuss without getting to a personal level.


Leslie, you certainly seem to post as if you hate the U.S...... that has always been my understanding of your thoughts...

[Leslie]

Leslie, you certainly seem to post as if you hate the U.S...... that has always been my understanding of your thoughts...

I would love to see the evidence to back up your assumption.  Please use my words as I wrote them.

[Leslie]

I read the attack the same way that ANNA did... what I understood Justin'sMama to say was that Anna's son should be prosecuted if he spilled secrets to her.... which she NEVER claimed he did.

 Anna Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject:    

I guess my inside person to go to would be my oldest son who works in the intelligence community and is a career officer there. I tend to take his word on things but then a mother would.

[nonesuche]

you know this has taken on a really disheartening tone Leslie, I can read your words and am considered pretty literate in these parts. Why must you persist in casting a shadow against Anna's son who obviously is bright and serving his country as well?

I was offended by both you and justins, both of you did clearly imply just what you are implying with these rants now. My interpretation of Anna's post was one that her son is in a position to know far more about corruption in the government than any one of us......and two and more importantly, IF there were cause for alarm or for concern he would alert her. Alerting someone doesn't have to be sharing state secrets, it can be as simple as "you may not have the whole story" or "I am worried" and between a mother and an adult son that isn't treason !!!!!!!!

What is telling to me that as Mrs stated, you have descended into beating a non-existent horse on a very personal level with Anna. It is apparent you are manufacturing half-truths and even lies now to support your position.

Please stop this now. I would not wish to see anyone's children attacked in this way either and particularly not one serving our country !

[justinsmama]

Schemas, Irrational Thoughts, and Cognitive-Behavioral Theory.

[Leslie]

Nonesuche:  I find your posts very confusing - what you write and what you say you meant to write seem to be opposing ideas.   What you say you have read and what was actually written seems to be completely different.   You seem to be saying that Mrs. Red was upset with me (maybe) when, in fact, she was addressing her comments to justinsmama.  Of course that all depends on the meaning of the word "you".
None wrote:  "It is apparent you are manufacturing half-truths and even lies now to support your position. "  
My response:  Who is the "you" ?   Is this a Dr. Suess book?   Is the you in question - ME?

[Anna]

LOL! over the distortions of who presented what here!

I'm glad to see you are enjoying insulting the children of others so much.  Maybe for some real fun you and Leslie could go to the airport and spit on a few returning veterans.  Be sure to take Leslie for only she can detect Marines out of uniform if you will recall.  American's can't do this, only foreigners can she further assured us.

Well, here's one I can that doesn't fit the drill Sargent negative stereotype put forth and neither does Domino, the Littlest Marine.



You don't have your own child yet reared and I hear that karma can be a real bitch, payback and all of that.  Any time you set out to hurt others as you just did, be sure it will come back to you in one form or another.  Your intentions were crystal clear.

So were Leslie's and she doesn't even have a dog in this fight.  I just so hate it that the efforts of people like my son are wasted giving the right to insult him and even his mother to some who just frankly don't have the right to be doing so.  I do hope he realizes how unappreciated he really is and goes into the private sector soon.  

But just yuk it right up because you can.  At least for now you can but all of that could well change one day before too long and I hope you will remember doing this.  I know I sure will remember it for it was totally unprovoked and unwarranted and you know it and so does Leslie.

Jailing political opponents is one of the first steps of Marxists, isn't it?  Hillary would certainly approve.

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[Anna]

Schemas, Irrational Thoughts, and Cognitive-Behavioral Theory.

What is this supposed to mean?  Further insults I am sure but not exactly how this ties in with your previous ones.

[Anna]

Really Anna, you have taken your personal attacks to a new level of crudeness, but why are you so angry?    I read Nonesuche's words and understood them to mean exactly as justinsmama did.  Maybe you should have never posted anything about your son's career.

Of course I regret posting anything about my son's career for little did I know to whom I was posting and foolishly thought myself among friends or at least remotely rational people.

My mistake for sure!