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« Reply #120 on: March 23, 2007, 02:12:58 PM »

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I read the attack the same way that ANNA did... what I understood Justin'sMama to say was that Anna's son should be prosecuted if he spilled secrets to her.... which she NEVER claimed he did.

 Anna Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject:    

I guess my inside person to go to would be my oldest son who works in the intelligence community and is a career officer there. I tend to take his word on things but then a mother would.



Now post the part where I claim he shares state secrets, classified information and all those things for which he should be prosecuted as Justin's suggested.  Do you really think ALL information is classified that would be of interest?

Furthermore, the real insult is that not only would he be sharing classified information for which he should be prosecuted but that he would be a party to some nefarious schemes enacted by the Bush administration.  

So where do I claim access to any information illegally?  I don't and that is just the whole problem with you and justins seeking prosecution of my son.  Just the fact that he lives in D.C. could give a closer, more accurate picture of the situation there than somebody might have say maybe living in somewhere like Canada for example.  Or the midwest.  People do talk but that doesn't mean they are violating any laws or rules.

Yes, jailing political opponents is the latest fad being pushed by the leftist in this country.  But suggesting that for my son is patently ridiculous.  

Oh, and I like your spelling corrections for everybody, a sure sign that attacking the person and not the message is in order, right?  Maybe they should be prosecuted and expelled for them.

I wish to God my son would be expelled and stop wasting his life for ungrateful people in this country and others places that have the right to insult him and his mother because people like him are willing to make the sacrifice.
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« Reply #121 on: March 23, 2007, 02:19:30 PM »

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Schemas, Irrational Thoughts, and Cognitive-Behavioral Theory.


are you kidding me? are you for real? this is absurd and childish and apparently you have no respect for any poster but those who hold your belief regarding your political persuasion
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« Reply #122 on: March 23, 2007, 02:22:50 PM »

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Really Anna, you have taken your personal attacks to a new level of crudeness, but why are you so angry?    I read Nonesuche's words and understood them to mean exactly as justinsmama did.  Maybe you should have never posted anything about your son's career.


Of course I regret posting anything about my son's career for little did I know to whom I was posting and foolishly thought myself among friends or at least remotely rational people.

My mistake for sure!


do not twist my post in this fashion Leslie, I won't stand for it. You can "read into" my post whatever you choose but I do retain the right to clarify my intent which was nothing akin to what justinsmamma implied which was that Anna's son should be prosecuted for sharing state secrets.

This is ridiculous and an insult to the Red's as well, but then I don't think you can see anything very clearly today with the exception of this "game" of stepping on others to elevate your own position.
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« Reply #123 on: March 23, 2007, 02:35:13 PM »

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Fiscal Wake-Up Tour:
The world according to David Walker
By Shelia Watson - Contributing Writer

David Walker is an accountant by trade. And not just any accountant—he’s the nation’s top accountant and auditor, the comptroller general of the United States, and head of the Government Accountability Office on a 15-year term that will run through 2013.
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I never rely on just one source for much of anything.  You seem to have found one that fits your version of reality and GAO is often very political, hardly objective.  And your CNN source is the most liberal media other than the NY Times in existence.  Maybe you are the one who should be checking a few other places.  Your guy sure seems out of sync with the official website of the Treasury.

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The U.S. economy is strong and getting stronger. Since the President signed the Jobs & Growth Act in May 2003, providing much needed tax relief, the U.S. economy has made a remarkable recovery. This section of Treasury's Web site is designed to provide information on the current strength of the U.S. economy as well as the policies that will sustain economic growth for future generations.


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economic strength indicators
Last Updated: March 21, 2007

"Labor markets are firm; unemployment is low; consumer confidence is rising; inflation is easing; exports are growing and they contributed about one percentage point to the fourth-quarter GDP number; and of particular importance to me, working families are now benefiting from this expansion, with real wages up 2.1% over the last year.”
U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson, March 1, 2007

Job Creation Continues:

Job Growth: 97,000 new jobs created in February. In addition, employment estimates for December and January were revised up, adding 55,000 jobs.  2.0 million new jobs have been created over the past 12 months. Since August 2003, nearly 7.6 million jobs have been created – more jobs than all the other major industrialized countries combined. Our economy has added jobs for 42 straight months. Employment has increased in 46 states within the past year. (Last updated: March 9, 2007)

Low Unemployment: 4.5% unemployment rate – close to a 5-1/2 year low.  Unemployment rates have decreased or held steady in 36 states over the past year. (Last Updated: March 9, 2007)

The U.S. Economy Remains Healthy and Continues to Grow:

Economic Growth: 2.2% GDP growth in the 4th quarter. Our economy has grown a solid 3.1% over the past 4 quarters. (Last updated: February 28, 2007)

Business Investment: Capital investment increased a strong 6.2% over the 4 quarters of 2006. (Last updated: February 28, 2007)

Tax Revenues: Tax receipts up 11.8% in fiscal year 2006 (FY06) on top of FY05’s 14.6% increase. Receipts have grown another nearly 10% percent so far in FY07. (Last updated: February 12, 2007)

Steady Productivity: Labor productivity has grown at an annual rate of 2.8% over the past five years. (Last updated: March 6, 2007)

Americans are Keeping More of Their Hard-Earned Money:

Real wages increased 1.8 percent over the past 12 months (ending in February). This translates into an additional $600 above inflation for the average full-time production worker.  

Real After-Tax Income Per Person has Risen 10% - an extra $2,950 per person – since the President took office.

Pro-Growth Policies will Enhance Long-Term U.S. Economic Strength:

The Administration proposed a budget that reaches a small surplus in 2012. Economic growth has generated increased tax receipts and dramatically improved the budget outlook. The budget holds the line on spending. The budget reduces the deficit as a percentage of GDP-the most meaningful measure of its size-every year through 2012. The time has come for both political parties to work together on comprehensive earmark reform that produces greater transparency and accountability to the congressional budget process, including full disclosure for each earmark and cutting the number and cost of all earmarks by half.

http://www.treas.gov/economic-plan/

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There is no disputing the thriving economy here as evidenced by the low unemployment rate.  What you fail to take into consideration even with the Chinese owning debt is what percentage of the Gross Domestic Product is that.  That is where this country has it over all others for while the EU works the thirty ot thirty-two hour week, we work at least forty.  While they take two months vacation, we are lucky to take two weeks.  And yet they think we should be willing to base things like charitable contributions on a percentage of our GDP as thorough all things are equal.  They can pound sand on that one.  

This is primarily the result of Bush's tax cuts which the new batch of socialists now in charge of our Congress are busily trying to eliminate in order to tank the economy before the 2008 election.  They are almost as desperate to do that as they are to lose the war in Iraq.  They may well succeed but at this point in time, there is no question whatsoever that the economy is in the best shape it has been in years despite the disasters and two wars.

Pretending otherwise is just nonsensical and out of touch with reality.  And don't you listen to CSpan? Oldest trick the Dems do is call in on the GOP line and pretend to be Republicans.  They do this just about evey morning on Washington Journal and are so obvious at times it is almost comical.  You need to get a few more sources to get a more balanced picture rather than just this one GAO officer.  I would never focus on just one person's word about anything as vast as the economy.  That's another thing you and your little buddy Widget don't seem to grasp, the size of this economy.  California alone is larger than whole EU countries.

Claiming the Chinese-owned debt could tank it is still, to me at least, laughable.  Not gonna happen no matter what they do for that is such a small percentage.  I saw it stated even at 10% but that still is not enough to destroy the total economy as you and Widget are claiming.

Now those socialists in congress are yet another story.  They might could do it and I think if they can, they will do just that.  Fortunately, they have failed to actually enact one piece of legislation as promised before the election.  

You might even say Democrats Lied, People Died!  for they just had their heads handed to them on that last funding stunt they tried to pull.  They promised an immediate withdrawal from Iraq and now can't deliver it.  They LIED!!

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« Reply #124 on: March 23, 2007, 02:37:10 PM »

Justins, do you have a PhD or even a master's to qualify these insults you are posting? I sincerely would like to know this, if you do, then please post at length how my post is anything akin to a "schema" or "irrational" or "cognitive behavioral theory"?

I realize you counsel for drug and alcohol addiction but since I have never abused drugs or alcohol of any kind, I truly need to understand where you are drawing your conclusions from.
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« Reply #125 on: March 23, 2007, 02:41:06 PM »

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Justins, do you have a PhD or even a master's to qualify these insults you are posting? I sincerely would like to know this, if you do, then please post at length how my post is anything akin to a "schema" or "irrational" or "cognitive behavioral theory"?

I realize you counsel for drug and alcohol addiction but since I have never abused drugs or alcohol of any kind, I truly need to understand where you are drawing your conclusions from.


Ummm...maybe her self diagnosis and she is projecting????
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« Reply #126 on: March 23, 2007, 02:52:44 PM »

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Really Anna, you have taken your personal attacks to a new level of crudeness, but why are you so angry?    I read Nonesuche's words and understood them to mean exactly as justinsmama did.  Maybe you should have never posted anything about your son's career.



Yes, I try to keep my targeted audience in mind and in this case that would be you and justinsmama so I felt that the more crude, the better suited to the two of you. When dealing with people of your ilk, I find I can get right down there in the gutter with you if I want to.  Must be all that exposure to those vile Marines, huh?

And you attacked me when I was not even present and posting so don't try to blame it on me for it was totally unprovoked and you two know it.

You are acting in concert with justin's on this is why you are addressed as one.  But you know that and why.  Both of you do.  And in keeping with your lies and attack on my son you deserve to be addressed in even more crude terms because some things are just so reprehensible as to invite response in kind.  It is only out of respect for the Reds that I held back and didn't really say half of what I would have liked to do.

Yes, I do regret ever mentioning where my son is employed but I foolishly thought I was dealing with rational people.  My bad!

   

You say you want to deal in facts but that's not what you post.


And again, show me where I claim that illegal information was shared by my son justifying these continued attacks.  You are STILL doing it today I see with your lame quote which says no such thing as you are trying to claim it does.

Oh, and don't flatter yourself that anybody is trying to "change your mind" because I doubt anybody gives a flying flip what you think.  I just am not going to sit by and let you post all that inaccurate information without challenge if I have the time to invest in presenting a more balanced view of things.

I also can't imagine why you are so concerned with the economy of THIS country when your own is so much worse.



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« Reply #127 on: March 23, 2007, 03:12:29 PM »

ATTACK THE ISSUES BUT

STOP

ATTACKING EACH OTHER
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« Reply #128 on: March 23, 2007, 03:37:48 PM »

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Justins, do you have a PhD or even a master's to qualify these insults you are posting? I sincerely would like to know this, if you do, then please post at length how my post is anything akin to a "schema" or "irrational" or "cognitive behavioral theory"?

I realize you counsel for drug and alcohol addiction but since I have never abused drugs or alcohol of any kind, I truly need to understand where you are drawing your conclusions from.


Ummm...maybe her self diagnosis and she is projecting????



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I seriously doubt anybody with a PhD would stoop so low and be so crass as to attempt something this lame.  Not sure if she means you or me and don't really care for an addiction counselor is a far cry from a licensed psychiatrist.

I think Art Colly is on to something:





Sounds more like those self help books and 12 step meeting I had to attend for six months as part of training for Psyche nurse.  I was stunned to learn half the counselors at HCA Hospital in Chattanooga were former patients.   Shocked Just like the unprovoked attack on me when I wasn't even present and extending it to my son, well, that's not exactly rational behavior in the first place.

But what goes around surely come around and I think we have wasted enough time and effort on people like this.  And isn't it odd that this kind of attack was OK but if you or I or Tyler had done it, you can bet we would have heard about it, too.  Thought we weren't supposed to attack others.  But doing it when they think you are not present is even worse.

Not bad enough to accuse my son of divulging state secrets, now others must be insane.  This is just too much.  I can't believe justins would actually post that stupidity.

Sure, if you don't believe they have the right to dis my son, you must be crazy, they don't have to abide by the rules of civility that apply to others.  They're special, you see.  
And anyone who doesn't understand that, well, you just have to have something wrong with you mentally!

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Talk about a few clowns short of a circus!  


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« Reply #129 on: March 23, 2007, 05:26:59 PM »

Master's, licensed and just under twenty years experience. I insulted no one here. Neither has Leslie. Each of us have been nothing but respectful. We have been attacked and insulted, however.
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« Reply #130 on: March 23, 2007, 05:31:45 PM »

Oh, and I am a mental health and addictions psychotherapist. My posting was an attempt to have others google those terms, particularly schemas, as we all have them. Any slight taken by anyone is a result of their own interpretation.
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« Reply #131 on: March 23, 2007, 05:38:24 PM »

justins I do take what you posted as a personal attack and I believe Klaas asked you clearly in red to stop it, did she not?
I have an MBA but I don't use it as a whipping post nor do I think it entitles me to diagnose every business problem or NOT on this planet.

this kind of psychobabble is insulting to the collective intellect of this forum. Discuss the issues please.
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« Reply #132 on: March 23, 2007, 05:49:35 PM »

I believe that Klaas was addressing all in this thread? My credentials were questioned so I posted them. One cannot ask for something and then complain when it is received. I will not fight with you or anyone else. I believe debate is not possible here. Insults are hurled and deemed the cat's meow. Civil responses are treated as attacks. I believe that a point was made some time ago about actual debate here being nearly impossible as some (and I hold myself in that category) have firmly made up their minds on some matters. Hence the reference to schemas.
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« Reply #133 on: March 23, 2007, 06:02:28 PM »

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema_(psychology)

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However, schemas can influence and hamper the uptake of new information (proactive interference), such as when existing stereotypes, giving rise to limited or biased discourses and expectations (prejudices) may lead an individual to 'see' or 'remember' something that has not happened because it is more believable in terms of his/her schema: for example, if a well-dressed businessman draws a knife on a Rastafarian, the schemas of onlookers may (and often do) lead them to 'remember' the Rastafarian pulling the knife. Such distortion of memory has been demonstrated.


Everyone has schemas which influence their interpretations.
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« Reply #134 on: March 23, 2007, 06:16:47 PM »

I am so appalled by the postings here. Those who are equally or even more appalled  by my own posts will be happy to know that I will no longer post here. Leslie and I have challenged what some have posted. Apparently that makes us deranged, undeserving, etc. Keep it for yourselves. I prefer company that truly does others and diverse opinions.
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« Reply #135 on: March 23, 2007, 06:18:51 PM »

Klaas~ You have mail.
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« Reply #136 on: March 23, 2007, 06:28:43 PM »

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I believe that Klaas was addressing all in this thread? My credentials were questioned so I posted them. One cannot ask for something and then complain when it is received. I will not fight with you or anyone else. I believe debate is not possible here. Insults are hurled and deemed the cat's meow. Civil responses are treated as attacks. I believe that a point was made some time ago about actual debate here being nearly impossible as some (and I hold myself in that category) have firmly made up their minds on some matters. Hence the reference to schemas.


ABSOLUTELY - I was addressing all in this thread!
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« Reply #137 on: March 23, 2007, 06:29:32 PM »

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ATTACK THE ISSUES BUT

STOP

ATTACKING EACH OTHER


That means ALL OF YOU!
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« Reply #138 on: March 23, 2007, 06:31:10 PM »

I would appreciate a deletion of the posts referring to my clients.
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« Reply #139 on: March 23, 2007, 06:32:50 PM »

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I would appreciate a deletion of the posts referring to my clients.

Please check your email.
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