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Author Topic: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #27 9/06/10 - 9/12/2010  (Read 270401 times)
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« Reply #780 on: September 11, 2010, 10:45:07 AM »

This was a sandcastle built this year at the beach.  I thought he looked cuter with the red eyes and smile. 

This is for Kyron and I hope he comes home soon.  I also hope this Froggy won a ribbon in the competition.



This is too weird I originally posted thru IE and could see this just fine. Now back at FF and can't see it at all. My brain is now scrambled.  As is my puter apparently.  It is a cute pic of a sand froggy
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It is my prayer that Kyron be found and return home. Of course like everyone else I want him found alive but feel his parents need peace and closure. May this happen before Spring 2011.
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« Reply #781 on: September 11, 2010, 11:07:00 AM »

Hey LD~

I can see you now!!  Very cute avatar!!

That frog is interesting!!  Is that a smoochy frog?  Haha!
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« Reply #782 on: September 11, 2010, 11:27:45 AM »

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« Reply #783 on: September 11, 2010, 12:28:40 PM »

K.P. Bath's books on Amazon.com - Rave Reviews - They all look like a spin off of Harry Potter or alike short stories.
If they only knew she/author was a child porn addict/freak sick #$#@ -   
http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Castle-Cant-K-P-Bath/dp/0316154369/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1284189247&sr=1-4

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Since the Author uses initials all comments made after ONE person said "This Author was arrested for Child Porn" everyone follows with WHY is HIS Books still allowed to be sold ???
HE ... no one knows HE is a She...  I guess it is human nature to believe only Men hurt children sexually.  Ah me Monkey brain hurts thinking about all of this.



Interesting.  Didn't Kaine's brother disclose in court that his father had sexually abused (or sexually used) him?  And is it Kaine's father or grandfather that writes children's book?

The one book we discussed here on SM had a map to a cabin; I've always wondered if that could be closely connected to any cabin in real life.  A cabin would be a great place to stash a little boy.

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« Reply #784 on: September 11, 2010, 12:47:28 PM »

Kaine Horman drops contempt of court motion against Terri Moulton Horman??
Did we know this I have a new puppy he's been taking up all of my time sighhhhh
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« Reply #785 on: September 11, 2010, 01:12:53 PM »

This is what I don't understand of the "sting"...

She offers him $10K in December/January for the MFH.

OBVIOUSLY, he didn't do it, cause Kaine is alive.

So, after Kyron disappears, the landscaper comes up to the house with a companion... and asks for the $10K? What for?

What was Terri supposed to do, give him the money?

I hope there is more to it, than what has been reported. Cause this makes no sense. No wonder she called police.

She called and reported "theats"... as if he was threatening to contact LE if she didn't pay? As if... he's illegal and if he contacts LE he would be detained?

I don't get it.



Maybe LE was desperate and thought TH would panic when he drove up in her driveway. The plan most likely was that there would be a conversation between them (since the undercover was wearing a wire) BUT TH called LE before he even got out of the truck....she may have said he was threatening her,,,just to get LE there faster. Anyway you look at it she had to have freaked out when he showed up. He was supposedly out of her life. Even if you speculate they were working in conjunction, surely she wouldn't expect him to show up at her house! IMHO it was a horrible bungle on the part of LE.

Maybe in the May confrontation, LS was told not to come on the Horman property again.  If so, seeing him drive up the driveway could be considered threatening.

Was a post that originated on Craig's list
Which can be found copied on this site that says Kaine was into/is into Drugs etc or assoc.
http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=68431&sid=b0da27603b00eaf3baa67d401527859eTitled: Info Suppressed by Police in The Investigation of Missing Kyron Horman ( NW Portland)
I don't know what to think of the written commentary. But knowing that every Law Agency within the US has been named trying to find Kyron .. Who am I?


Wow Deenie!
I don't know what to make of that post. What do you think?

Wow, I've never read most of that before.  Somewhere along the lines, several weeks back, I did read somewhere about Kaine having guns.



How much credibility should be given to that website?

The domain name is "johndouglasmindhunter", which doesn't sound too trustworthy to me (in matters of official news.)

The local or national newspapers have not mentioned any of that, so I would just read the content of the website for "recreational purposes only."

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I don't know anything about that website as I've never read there before.  The comment I made was about reading elsewhere that Kaine had a lot of guns.  There's nothing wrong with that if he's a collector. 

It is interesting (in lieu of having no facts to discuss) to consider in the context of any drug dealing going on, which has been mentioned a lot of places online.  Guns seem to always seem to go hand-in-hand with drugs.  Again, we don't know any of that for sure.  In fact, we really don't have many "facts" at all. 

And, the greater question, is how does one determine what is fact?

Well, maybe from the LE....wait...LE can lie all they want to, they don't have to disclose facts about a case.

Terri...everyone seems to doubt every word out of her mouth.

Kaine...everyone seems to believe every word out of his mouth, but IMO we don't know Kaine well enough to know if he's telling the truth about anything at all...anything, except that I don't believe he disappeared Kyron.  But about anything else...IMO he keeps everything so close to the vest that we don't know him...and his friends aren't talking, so we can't get to know a sense of Kaine through them either.  Because Kaine said it, makes it a fact?  Everyone else is questioned; why shouldn't Kaine be questioned, too?

Attorneys...they are always working on behalf of their client, so everything is skewed in the client's favor.

You would have to be a mind reader, a very good mind reader, to determine the facts.

Even when Blink writes a post, and is clear on what portions are alledged or not confirmed, even the other parts are questioned. 

So, what I'm saying is that it seems that "nothing" determines what the truth is in this case.

The best way I know to have a comfort level of the truth is to see actual evidence documents like we see in the Caylee case in Florida.  Unfortunately, Oregon does not have the "Sunshine Law".  Unless this case goes to trial and the trial is televised, I don't hold out much luck for us getting any clear understanding of the truth.  We've already found out that the print press skews articles.

So, what we have left is our own gut feelings, speculations, what if's, etc.  That's why I read every monkey's post about their feelings, theories, what if's (even when I don't agree with that post), because our "cumulative" thoughts keep unearthing different ways to look at the situation. The more information, the better....always.

Jaded: yes, I am.  LE coming out with a presser that included manufactured photos with a white truck, photos that burned into our minds what the area would look like with the truck parked there, the idea that LE wants the public to believe happened....and....then turn around and said they want "independent" recollections to be reported to LE.  That move was just too manipulative.  LE is trying "too hard" to make people think they saw what they want to have been seen.

I just have more faith in the public than that.  I really do believe that if someone credible saw that truck parked there they would have come forward weeks ago.  It's no skin off anyone's back to let LE they saw a truck parked in a certain place if they actually saw it. 

Before that press conference, I strongly believed Terri was heavily involved....after the press conference, it made be start to wonder "why" LE was trying "too hard".  Okay, I'll give them credit for being the LE and knowing more that we know...but...that doesn't mean that they then go an manipulate the public.   

I still think Terri's involved, but now (because of the manipulation) I wonder if she's heavily involved or if she's a catalyst (someone else did it because of something Terri did/did not do and/or something Terri was involved in that went bad - in other words, Terri's involved but indirectly). 

At this point, I have more questions than I did a month ago and I'm much more open to different ideas, too.


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« Reply #786 on: September 11, 2010, 01:15:21 PM »

Does anyone know the amount of property the Horman's owned?

I don't have any link, but for some reason I "think" it's about 4 acres.  I seem to recall that from when I was asking questions about the tractor that Kaine had recently purchased.

I read so many little things around the internet that alludes to a lot of marijuana being grown in Oregon; even neighbors of Kaine's growing pot and being concerned they would get in trouble with LE until LE let them know they just wanted to look for Kyron and forget about the marijuana.  So, I was wondering it that new tractor could have possibly been used for something other than cutting the lawn.  In my grand thought process, also was wondering if it would be possible that "driving around for an hour and a half" could have been to make any deliveries...deliveries that might encroach on established dealers territories and make them "angry...very angry".  I have read that there are a lot of Mexicans in the drug trade in Oregon.





Geez Puzzler, sometimes when I read your posts, it is like you are reading my mind. I keep going back to the farms and possible pot growing myself. Especially in light of the DEA involved with this case. I cannot imagine that Kaine did not know about the landscaper. Maybe he denied knowledge in the media so that it would not open up a whole slew of questions that he is not supposed to answer. I cannot believe that Terri would care one way or the other about his legal status. I cannot believe that she would call LE on him because he is illegal. I am in California and if someone called the cops on someone because they suspected someone was illegal, the cops would laugh and hang up the phone. The only way that they would come out is if someone was ILLEGAL and committing a crime. I also don't know how Terri would get her hands on 10k unless she was involved in something illegal that goes way back. I doubt Kaine would just hand her 10k and he does not strike me as someone who would not pay attention to the finances. He never has added her to the title of his home. There are a lot of things being held back. If we knew what they were, it could sure help us to put some of the pieces together.

Yes...I, too, think a lot is being held back.

See...the landscaper was furious with Terri for calling LE because he's in the US illegally.

BUT - what I've never read about is "why" did Terri call the police?  What was the "issue" that was so great that she called the police?  It must have been something...I mean...to get the police to come out. 

Surely, the landscaper wouldn't be threatening Terri because Kaine wanted him fired.  Hello!  We hire people all the time to do limited work.  It doesn't create a scenario that necessitates calling out the police.

So, my burning question is "what" happened to make Terri call the police?



Add the fact that the LS's wife and children were present during the Mothers Day altercation! Huh? What the heck?

Maybe the were all out for lunch or early dinner and LS stopped by Terri's...for whatever reason...which was not good because that reason ended up with Terri calling the police on the LS.



If it weren't for Terri's lack of cooperation and shaky accounts of her whereabouts on June 4th... and the Michael Cook thing, and the other stuff... I would think this landscaper stands a chance of being a good suspect.

For what has been discussed, he was either inlust with Terri, or was angry with her... for whatever reasons.

One thing that puzzles me, if the report is correct... if he had the hots for Terri, or if they had something going on... why did he bring his wife and kid to the property?



I have the same question; therefore, it makes me believe that there's much more involved that a guy/gal sex thing. 

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« Reply #787 on: September 11, 2010, 01:22:03 PM »

K.P. Bath's books on Amazon.com - Rave Reviews - They all look like a spin off of Harry Potter or alike short stories.
If they only knew she/author was a child porn addict/freak sick #$#@ -   
http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Castle-Cant-K-P-Bath/dp/0316154369/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1284189247&sr=1-4

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Since the Author uses initials all comments made after ONE person said "This Author was arrested for Child Porn" everyone follows with WHY is HIS Books still allowed to be sold ???
HE ... no one knows HE is a She...  I guess it is human nature to believe only Men hurt children sexually.  Ah me Monkey brain hurts thinking about all of this.



Interesting.  Didn't Kaine's brother disclose in court that his father had sexually abused (or sexually used) him?  And is it Kaine's father or grandfather that writes children's book?

The one book we discussed here on SM had a map to a cabin; I've always wondered if that could be closely connected to any cabin in real life.  A cabin would be a great place to stash a little boy.



No. the brother accused a grandfather of abuse. O'course that could have been to cover his own sorry butt as a mitigating circumstance. Kaine's father is not KP Bath, who was sentenced to 6 years. KP Bath writes stuff in the Harry Potter trend. Kaine's dad writes nature oriented kids tales.
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« Reply #788 on: September 11, 2010, 01:23:20 PM »

kaines explanation for dropping the motion

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kaine-tells-KGW-We-need-to-get-this-wrapped-up-102674464.html


Kaine told KGW that dropping the motion also serves other purposes.

"It's an act of good faith on our part," Kaine told KGW. "It shows that we're serious about not wasting the court's time with side issues. We want to get the divorce wrapped up so we can deal the important things and move forward."


Is it just me?  The quote below from the article isn't even a whole sentence, let alone a complete thought (and it has a mispelled word in it, too).

"Terri's divorce lawyer, Peter Bunch, filed papers earlier this summer saying that Terri agreed to a divroce but wanted to put talks concerning child custody, property and finances."

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« Reply #789 on: September 11, 2010, 01:26:29 PM »

http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine-tells-KGW-We-need-to-get-this-wrapped-up-102674464.html


Kaine tells KGW: "We need to get this wrapped up."

by Colin Miner, KGW Staff
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Posted on September 10, 2010 at 8:35 PM

Kaine Horman has dropped his motion to find his wife Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court because she shared the contents of a sealed restraining order.

While Kaine was not required to explain why he was dropping the motion, one legal expert familiar with the case said it would allow Kaine to try and speed up divorce proceedings.

A hearing on the contempt motion had been scheduled for September 21. That will now be canceled and Kaine could seek to move up a divorce hearing currently scheduled for October 7.

Kaine told KGW that dropping the motion also serves other purposes.

"It's an act of good faith on our part," Kaine told KGW. "It shows that we're serious about not wasting the court's time with side issues. We want to get the divorce wrapped up so we can deal the important things and move forward."

Kaine filed for divorce on June 28 - two days after law enforcement officials told him that Terri had hired a landscaper in a plot to have Kaine killed.

Terri, who has not been charged with any crime or even labeled a suspect or person of interest, has been the focus of the investigation into her step-son's disappearance.

Terri's divorce lawyer, Peter Bunch, filed papers earlier this summer saying that Terri agreed to a divroce but wanted to put talks concerning child custody, property and finances.

Kaine and his lawyer oppose any delay.

"We need to get this wrapped up," he said. "There are bigger issues that need to be dealt with."


On Thursday, Kyron's birthday, his mother Desiree held a celebration at a church in her hometown of Medford. Another celebration, this one in Wilsonville, will be held on Sunday.

Wonder if Kaine will move to have the divorce hearing moved up to this month?  I'd like to see something happen in hopes that we might hear some facts.  Seems like both Kaine/Terri is ready for this divorce to happen.

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« Reply #790 on: September 11, 2010, 01:28:14 PM »

Scatty~

See post above.  I'm assuming the incident with the LS has been confirmed, however, it's the DATE Blink wasn't able to confirm.

That's the way I read it, too.  And it seems like May is confirmed, just what "date" in May that's not confirmed.
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« Reply #791 on: September 11, 2010, 01:30:40 PM »

Kaine Horman drops contempt of court motion against Terri Moulton Horman??
Did we know this I have a new puppy he's been taking up all of my time sighhhhh

http://www.katu.com/news/local/102670919.html
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« Reply #792 on: September 11, 2010, 01:31:49 PM »

Nope, LD, both you and APB have the same Little Red X.

Are you guys working in cahoots to confuse us posters?  Haha!

Seriously, I can't see your avatar!


I can't see it either Lazy and I wanna see your friend!  I see MK's kid is still playing in his light socket so maybe his BadAzz brother stole Lazy's pic?  You should get your kid some kind of toy to play with unless....you really want him to find out what happens when the power is on!

I see it fine.  It's likely a problem with others computers, maybe they are running low on RAM.  Brandi's images are beautiful but they are large image files. 

You could try clearing your cookies and see if that helps.

Tried deleting cookies, my computer is relatively new and I also store stuff on an external hard drive, not to use up computer memory.  I guess I'm SOL!  Smile

Last night, all I saw was the little red x; this morning I can see the picture and I've done nothing to my computer in between those two times.



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« Reply #793 on: September 11, 2010, 01:38:01 PM »

Scatty~

See post above.  I'm assuming the incident with the LS has been confirmed, however, it's the DATE Blink wasn't able to confirm.

That's the way I read it, too.  And it seems like May is confirmed, just what "date" in May that's not confirmed.

Somehow I missed this,
 LS's wife and children were present during the Mothers Day altercation    Why in the world would his wife and kids be along for that?
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« Reply #794 on: September 11, 2010, 01:38:36 PM »

i tried to read the john whatever post, and you know what i think? hehe i work at a public mental health facility and i think this man needs to come see us for a long long visit hehehe
http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=68431&sid=b0da27603b00eaf3baa67d401527859eTitled
founded by Norm Frinker that runs the child sex slave center in some remote Malaysian Island where they are said to use a specially altered microwave oven to make children forget the abuse they experience when they reach puberty. it is said that the same modified microwave oven was used for just 28 seconds on Ward Weaver to scramble his brains before he plead no contest to charges in spite of his insistence he would fight the charges not very long before that. The list of suspects continues to grow and grow but now it seems that Teri was having one of her slushy affairs with Latino lover members of the Chavez gang and everyone else maybe even Caesar himself? Find out more about where your public school teacher spends


I have never read on johndouglashunter's blog.  The only thing I thought when I saw the original post on this yesterday, was that his name was familiar.  Since there's been so many additional posts, I Googled his name.  Now I know why I vaguely remembered his name.  I've heard about him in the past.  He may be questionable, but he does have training and  experience in his background:

http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/bio.php

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« Reply #795 on: September 11, 2010, 01:39:41 PM »

Nope, LD, both you and APB have the same Little Red X.

Are you guys working in cahoots to confuse us posters?  Haha!

Seriously, I can't see your avatar!

I don't understand I can see it just fine.  Maybe Koda is playing hide and seek with his monkey friend.  Dang! Brandi worked really hard on getting my Avatar done for me.  She has done such an awesome job fitting the whole horse in the picture also. 

The image is fine, it's there, you don't need to do anything.

Thanks Klaasend my last attempt I was using Firefox went to Explorer and the pic link had a couple extra // after the http. Corrected them and we will see what happens.  Hopefully this will fix it for those running explorer.  I'm going back to firefox now.  It also opened my photo album but not on firefox.  Weird is all I can say.

It worked!  I can see you clearly now.  Love your new avatar!

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« Reply #796 on: September 11, 2010, 01:46:41 PM »

Kaine Horman drops contempt of court motion against Terri Moulton Horman??
Did we know this I have a new puppy he's been taking up all of my time sighhhhh

Blonde,

New puppy requirements: You must go to "Musings" and post pictures for all to see and tell us his/her name, too.

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« Reply #797 on: September 11, 2010, 01:52:29 PM »

Nope, LD, both you and APB have the same Little Red X.

Are you guys working in cahoots to confuse us posters?  Haha!

Seriously, I can't see your avatar!


I can't see it either Lazy and I wanna see your friend!  I see MK's kid is still playing in his light socket so maybe his BadAzz brother stole Lazy's pic?  You should get your kid some kind of toy to play with unless....you really want him to find out what happens when the power is on!

I see it fine.  It's likely a problem with others computers, maybe they are running low on RAM.  Brandi's images are beautiful but they are large image files. 

You could try clearing your cookies and see if that helps.

Tried deleting cookies, my computer is relatively new and I also store stuff on an external hard drive, not to use up computer memory.  I guess I'm SOL!  Smile

Last night, all I saw was the little red x; this morning I can see the picture and I've done nothing to my computer in between those two times.





Could have been a regional server thing, who knows.  I never had a problem seeing it.
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« Reply #798 on: September 11, 2010, 01:56:21 PM »

This is what I don't understand of the "sting"...

She offers him $10K in December/January for the MFH.

OBVIOUSLY, he didn't do it, cause Kaine is alive.

So, after Kyron disappears, the landscaper comes up to the house with a companion... and asks for the $10K? What for?

What was Terri supposed to do, give him the money?

I hope there is more to it, than what has been reported. Cause this makes no sense. No wonder she called police.

She called and reported "theats"... as if he was threatening to contact LE if she didn't pay? As if... he's illegal and if he contacts LE he would be detained?

I don't get it.



Maybe LE was desperate and thought TH would panic when he drove up in her driveway. The plan most likely was that there would be a conversation between them (since the undercover was wearing a wire) BUT TH called LE before he even got out of the truck....she may have said he was threatening her,,,just to get LE there faster. Anyway you look at it she had to have freaked out when he showed up. He was supposedly out of her life. Even if you speculate they were working in conjunction, surely she wouldn't expect him to show up at her house! IMHO it was a horrible bungle on the part of LE.

Maybe in the May confrontation, LS was told not to come on the Horman property again.  If so, seeing him drive up the driveway could be considered threatening.

Was a post that originated on Craig's list
Which can be found copied on this site that says Kaine was into/is into Drugs etc or assoc.
http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=68431&sid=b0da27603b00eaf3baa67d401527859eTitled: Info Suppressed by Police in The Investigation of Missing Kyron Horman ( NW Portland)
I don't know what to think of the written commentary. But knowing that every Law Agency within the US has been named trying to find Kyron .. Who am I?


Wow Deenie!
I don't know what to make of that post. What do you think?

Wow, I've never read most of that before.  Somewhere along the lines, several weeks back, I did read somewhere about Kaine having guns.



How much credibility should be given to that website?

The domain name is "johndouglasmindhunter", which doesn't sound too trustworthy to me (in matters of official news.)

The local or national newspapers have not mentioned any of that, so I would just read the content of the website for "recreational purposes only."

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I don't know anything about that website as I've never read there before.  The comment I made was about reading elsewhere that Kaine had a lot of guns.  There's nothing wrong with that if he's a collector. 

It is interesting (in lieu of having no facts to discuss) to consider in the context of any drug dealing going on, which has been mentioned a lot of places online.  Guns seem to always seem to go hand-in-hand with drugs.  Again, we don't know any of that for sure.  In fact, we really don't have many "facts" at all. 

And, the greater question, is how does one determine what is fact?

Well, maybe from the LE....wait...LE can lie all they want to, they don't have to disclose facts about a case.

Terri...everyone seems to doubt every word out of her mouth.

Kaine...everyone seems to believe every word out of his mouth, but IMO we don't know Kaine well enough to know if he's telling the truth about anything at all...anything, except that I don't believe he disappeared Kyron.  But about anything else...IMO he keeps everything so close to the vest that we don't know him...and his friends aren't talking, so we can't get to know a sense of Kaine through them either.  Because Kaine said it, makes it a fact?  Everyone else is questioned; why shouldn't Kaine be questioned, too?

Attorneys...they are always working on behalf of their client, so everything is skewed in the client's favor.

You would have to be a mind reader, a very good mind reader, to determine the facts.

Even when Blink writes a post, and is clear on what portions are alledged or not confirmed, even the other parts are questioned. 

So, what I'm saying is that it seems that "nothing" determines what the truth is in this case.

The best way I know to have a comfort level of the truth is to see actual evidence documents like we see in the Caylee case in Florida.  Unfortunately, Oregon does not have the "Sunshine Law".  Unless this case goes to trial and the trial is televised, I don't hold out much luck for us getting any clear understanding of the truth.  We've already found out that the print press skews articles.

So, what we have left is our own gut feelings, speculations, what if's, etc.  That's why I read every monkey's post about their feelings, theories, what if's (even when I don't agree with that post), because our "cumulative" thoughts keep unearthing different ways to look at the situation. The more information, the better....always.

Jaded: yes, I am.  LE coming out with a presser that included manufactured photos with a white truck, photos that burned into our minds what the area would look like with the truck parked there, the idea that LE wants the public to believe happened....and....then turn around and said they want "independent" recollections to be reported to LE.  That move was just too manipulative.  LE is trying "too hard" to make people think they saw what they want to have been seen.

I just have more faith in the public than that.  I really do believe that if someone credible saw that truck parked there they would have come forward weeks ago.  It's no skin off anyone's back to let LE they saw a truck parked in a certain place if they actually saw it. 

Before that press conference, I strongly believed Terri was heavily involved....after the press conference, it made be start to wonder "why" LE was trying "too hard".  Okay, I'll give them credit for being the LE and knowing more that we know...but...that doesn't mean that they then go an manipulate the public.   

I still think Terri's involved, but now (because of the manipulation) I wonder if she's heavily involved or if she's a catalyst (someone else did it because of something Terri did/did not do and/or something Terri was involved in that went bad - in other words, Terri's involved but indirectly). 

At this point, I have more questions than I did a month ago and I'm much more open to different ideas, too.




Hi Puzzler,
Once again I completely agree with everything that you have said in your post.  I don't like the way that LE has allowed Kaine and Desiree to put the entire focus on Terri. I also find it odd, that at this late date and with no results from LE, why the bio parents have not hired a private detective. Maybe they have and we are not aware or maybe it is because of Tony and their respect for him and LE. With regards to Terri, I have been on and off the fence. Putting the alleged MFH plot aside, and the sexting, either she is the most selfish person in the world or she is involved. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to hurt the parents of a missing child to this extent by not offering anything and everthing that they know about the case. Her silence after all of this time has taken me off the fence. There is a theory that I have that crops up from time to time with regards to Terri. I think that in the very beginning Desiree thought Terri was involved. Why? I am not sure. She probably knows way more about Terri than we do. Anyways, I sometimes wonder if Desiree started accusing Terri very early on and then Kaine got on board. This infuriated Terri and she clammed up. Even if she is not involved (and I believe that she is), maybe she decided to teach them a lesson by not continuing to cooperate in any way. Then she decided to further the anger by getting involved with Michael Cook. Another lesson to teach Kaine. Let's face it, if she loved Kyron so much, why would she involve herself in sexting so shortly after Kyron went missing? That is something that Caylee Anthony's sick mother would do. Yes, I believe that either Terri was involved or is the most self-centered, game playing, manipulative, step-mother that ever walked the face of this earth. JMO
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« Reply #799 on: September 11, 2010, 01:58:49 PM »

K.P. Bath's books on Amazon.com - Rave Reviews - They all look like a spin off of Harry Potter or alike short stories.
If they only knew she/author was a child porn addict/freak sick #$#@ -   
http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Castle-Cant-K-P-Bath/dp/0316154369/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1284189247&sr=1-4

All her books sold on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/K.P.-Bath/e/B001HMWU80/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/discussion.html/ref=ntt_mus_ep_cd_tft_tp?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1KCYUACZAA3N8&cdThread=Tx195JDVAPJ810P
Since the Author uses initials all comments made after ONE person said "This Author was arrested for Child Porn" everyone follows with WHY is HIS Books still allowed to be sold ???
HE ... no one knows HE is a She...  I guess it is human nature to believe only Men hurt children sexually.  Ah me Monkey brain hurts thinking about all of this.



Interesting.  Didn't Kaine's brother disclose in court that his father had sexually abused (or sexually used) him?  And is it Kaine's father or grandfather that writes children's book?

The one book we discussed here on SM had a map to a cabin; I've always wondered if that could be closely connected to any cabin in real life.  A cabin would be a great place to stash a little boy.



No. the brother accused a grandfather of abuse. O'course that could have been to cover his own sorry butt as a mitigating circumstance. Kaine's father is not KP Bath, who was sentenced to 6 years. KP Bath writes stuff in the Harry Potter trend. Kaine's dad writes nature oriented kids tales.


Scatty, I know that Kaine's father is not KP Bath.  I didn't question that he was. Besides, KP Bath is a female.

I said he writes children's books, one of which had a map to a cabin in it and I've wondered if there's such a cabin for real.

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