Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #28 9/12/2010 - 9/18/2010

[sackyattack]

since we are having odd people in this case suddenly go public through 2nd partys i thought i would post this, even though i know some dont like posts from other pages and prob. esp. this one, i think it is worth reading , with a bucket of salt.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&story_fbid=160062227338089

Terri Horman Support Page ‎(MB) What DO we know about June 4th & the science fair?
* Projects were taken to the school the day before, on Thursday 6/3 (as per interview/report)

* Kaine said that he had to work that day. He told Kyron he was proud of him.. project was ...great and they would all do something special after school... get ice cream and play wii later on.. then left for work in the car.

*Terri asked Kaine to switch vehicles that day so she could use the truck to bring Kyron's project home. A lot of people find this suspicious.. but I don't see HOW it's suspicious! The projects were @ school since the day before.. and Terri probably thought that they were to go in early that day.. view the projects.. then pack them up and bring them home in the morning..when she got there, they told her that she couldn't pack it up because the fair went until 10am.. so it would need to stay.

* Terri and Kyron ( w/ Kitty) toured the science fair.. were seen by PTA president.. and other kids.. even Kyron's teacher, in the noisy, crowded gym. She knew Kitty had an ear ache.. so I'm gonna assume they chatted for a minute.. •This is where the Doctor's note confusion comes in• Nothing was ever mentioned, in earlier reports about a doctor's note or anything about a doctor visit..
- First report was - Terri gave the teacher a doctor's note and told her it needed to be filled out for Kyron's appointment the following Friday
- Second report was - The teacher thought she heard Terri say that she was taking Kyron to the doctor with the baby, because she had an earache.
So, which one was it? As mentioned before by another member, NOTHING was even brought up about this in early reports.. Nothing was mentioned about this until it was brought up that Kyron's lunch and coat were left at school.. then the doctor confusion was thrown out there to take the focus off of the lunch/coat being left behind.
- *IF* Terri did in fact give the teacher a note that needed to be filled out for a doctor's appointment.. and the teacher thought the appointment was the same day, what did the teacher DO with that note? Obviously she would need it back right away. Did the teacher say that she filled out the note, right there in the noisy gym.. then give it back to Terri?
- *IF* Terri told the teacher that she was taking Kyron along with her to Kitty's doctor appointment, then why was the person taking attendance looking for Kyron? Why would she say "Wait, there's only 5 or 6 (or whatever number) here? Where's Kyron? AND... Why would Mrs. Porter (or whomever) say "calm down, calm down... he might be in the bathroom or getting a drink" if she knew Kyron wouldn't be in school that day or if she knew/thought he was going along to a doctor's appointment? Why wouldn't she just say.. "He isn't in school today.. his mom took him for an appointment" ???

Continuing on....

*I'm sure Terri couldn't stay til 10 with a cranky toddler.. and since she couldn't pack up the project to bring it home.. she decided to leave.. so right before the bell rang.. at 8:45 she said goodbye to Kyron.. where he was standing in the hallway with his friends, watched him walk down the hall towards his classroom... and her and Kitty left.

* A 7th grade boy saw Kyron in the gym (without Terri) looking at projects.. around 9 am..?

* Tanner saw Kyron in the hallway somewhere around the same time.. after Terri left. Kyron told Tanner that he was "Going to go look at the cool electric" project.

* The kids were gathered up to be split into groups after the bell rang..

* Someone (volunteer?) was taking attendance.. at 10am (when Kyron was marked absent) This was when it was first noticed that Kyron was gone The adult taking attendance says something to the effect of... "Wait, there's only 5 or 6 (or whatever number) here? Where's Kyron? Then, the teacher said "calm down, calm down...it's ok.. he might be in the bathroom or getting a drink of water"
- Once again.. if the teacher knew or thought that Kyron was gone for a doctor appointment.. or knew that he left with Terri.. why would she tell the adult taking attendance that "it's ok.. he might be in the bathroom or getting a drink of water" Why would the teacher not just say "It's ok.. he went with his mom" Why would he only be marked absent then and why would Terri not have to sign him out?

* The day goes by.. Kyron's lunch and coat were left in the classroom closet.. nobody questions that.. Then sometime after 1pm... Terri calls the school to ask whether or not she needs to pick up Kyron's science fair project (since she still has the truck) The school tells her NO..

* The bus comes around 3:30.. no Kyron. 911 is called.See More
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REMINDER - THIS COMES FROM THE TERRI HORMAN SUPPORT FACEBOOK AND LIKELY DRIVEN BY TERRI'S DESIRE TO LOOK INNOCENT.  ALSO, LE HAS MADE IS CLEAR TERRI IS THE MAIN SUSPECT.

[Scandi]

Re: "We have a knowledge of things we don’t want to know about. We have a knowledge of things we wish we didn’t," he said.

Could it be that LE found out that one or more of their own is involved with some bad things having to do with children? Not with Kyron, but involved in other things.  Finding out one of their own is involved would certainly be something LE something they wish they didn't know.

That is what I first thought as well.

It could also be something that would depress LE and probably LE would think is would surprise us, as well.

Puzzler:

From part 1 of the pc:

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Raw-Sheriff-on-Kyron-Horman-case-pt-1-103010894.html

QUESTION:  Can you talk about weither or not you think there are going to be other cases based on the stacks of information that are there?

ANSWER:  I believe that some of the information, through some of the discussions, there are going to be some concerns, not neccessarily cases, there may be cases, that come out of this, but through the discussion, there are going to be issues that the Sheriff's office is going to have to address. 
I believe the Portland Police Bureau will be actively involved in that.  Alot of these issues we won't address until we actually do a debrief on this investigation once it's come to a conclusion. 
There are alot of issues that have developed.  There's alot of information that our detectives that have, that they've developed through the course of this investigation, have developed some concerns.  And I think those concerns need to be addressed weither it's going to turn into an investigation and/or a notification process to other government entities.  That still remains to be assessed.

QUESTION: Are we talking criminal?
ANSWER: I can't comment on that.

For lack of a better phrase, I keep saying it seems like the investigation to Kyron going missing is like opening a can of worms.  After the can (case) is opened, all kinds of things are coming out.  It does appear that there are  a lot of issues (LE's words) that have come up and even within other government entities.  Wonder if there are any high officials in other areas or other cities...not necessarily LE officials, but government officials?

It does appear that way, and never would I have thought this. Scary to me what they might have all uncovered.

Good Morning NoRose and dear Monkey's All,

I just heard the Sheriff on a news blip on HLN and wish I had known I'd need a pencil and paper to get it right !!!  ;}  But the jist is the Sheriff said they have learned info in the case they wished they hadn't and it is so surprising it will come back into your thoughts later to be pondered.  The last part about pondering what happened was what he meant, and my mind immediately went to Ann Rule's statement in her interview about Kyron's case where she said when we learn what was happening it will be explosive.

[sackyattack]

I'm sorry to be hogging up the board, but I found a longer raw version of the news conference.  Its 27 + minutes long but has SO much more information. 
At the 15 minute mark it starts to make you go hmmmmmmm

http://www.kptv.com/local-video/index.html?grabnetworks_video_id=4339424

i really appreciate your posting of links, i am not familiar with all the stations, web sites from the oregon area, thanks

[no rose colored glasses]

Hi Scandi    From your post ( The last part about pondering what happened was what he meant, and my mind immediately went to Ann Rule's statement in her interview about Kyron's case where she said when we learn what was happening it will be explosive.)     Wonder what kind of explosive? Human trafficking, child porn, what else would be explosive?

[Monkey King]

That Craigslist post above is riddled with inaccuracies. 

It very well may be, Klaas, but I think they are looking back to the begining- the school, Skyline elem, the interview with Tanner Pulama, the interview with Kurtis, the statements from the teacher-Ms Porter.

Tanner had stated the "substitute"/chaperone stated (I know, HEARSAY!!) that when the children returned from looking at the other exhibits, there were "only 5".  Ms Porter allegedly said that  (I don't remember if Ms Porter identified Kyron by name or just as a student) he was probably going to the bathroom or to get a drink.

The students would have had to be broken up and placed in smaller groups to tour the exhibits.  Why?  So the children could be SUPERVISED. 

This would indicate Kyron was PRESENT at the BEGINING of the tour AND the"substitute"/chaperone having ACCEPTED the responsibility of supervising 6 students, as well as KNOWLEDGE she only had 5 upon the CONCLUSION of the tour, one student was not ACCOUNTED FOR and was MISSING.

When this information was given to Ms Porter, she minimized it by stating he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.

Minutes after that statement, Kyron was allegedly marked absent by the teacher who just said he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.  WHY didn't she go find him or send someone after him?

I was always suspicious of weither Kyron was marked absent. 

A logical person, if after seeing a person participate in something, such as the science fair and put into a group to tour the exhibits, sees a coat and lunchbox on their desk, and then making the statement "He's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink", obviously, believes they are there- Ms Porter had no reason to assume he wasn't there.

[sackyattack]

since we are having odd people in this case suddenly go public through 2nd partys i thought i would post this, even though i know some dont like posts from other pages and prob. esp. this one, i think it is worth reading , with a bucket of salt.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&story_fbid=160062227338089

Terri Horman Support Page ‎(MB) What DO we know about June 4th & the science fair?
* Projects were taken to the school the day before, on Thursday 6/3 (as per interview/report)

* Kaine said that he had to work that day. He told Kyron he was proud of him.. project was ...great and they would all do something special after school... get ice cream and play wii later on.. then left for work in the car.

*Terri asked Kaine to switch vehicles that day so she could use the truck to bring Kyron's project home. A lot of people find this suspicious.. but I don't see HOW it's suspicious! The projects were @ school since the day before.. and Terri probably thought that they were to go in early that day.. view the projects.. then pack them up and bring them home in the morning..when she got there, they told her that she couldn't pack it up because the fair went until 10am.. so it would need to stay.

* Terri and Kyron ( w/ Kitty) toured the science fair.. were seen by PTA president.. and other kids.. even Kyron's teacher, in the noisy, crowded gym. She knew Kitty had an ear ache.. so I'm gonna assume they chatted for a minute.. •This is where the Doctor's note confusion comes in• Nothing was ever mentioned, in earlier reports about a doctor's note or anything about a doctor visit..
- First report was - Terri gave the teacher a doctor's note and told her it needed to be filled out for Kyron's appointment the following Friday
- Second report was - The teacher thought she heard Terri say that she was taking Kyron to the doctor with the baby, because she had an earache.
So, which one was it? As mentioned before by another member, NOTHING was even brought up about this in early reports.. Nothing was mentioned about this until it was brought up that Kyron's lunch and coat were left at school.. then the doctor confusion was thrown out there to take the focus off of the lunch/coat being left behind.
- *IF* Terri did in fact give the teacher a note that needed to be filled out for a doctor's appointment.. and the teacher thought the appointment was the same day, what did the teacher DO with that note? Obviously she would need it back right away. Did the teacher say that she filled out the note, right there in the noisy gym.. then give it back to Terri?
- *IF* Terri told the teacher that she was taking Kyron along with her to Kitty's doctor appointment, then why was the person taking attendance looking for Kyron? Why would she say "Wait, there's only 5 or 6 (or whatever number) here? Where's Kyron? AND... Why would Mrs. Porter (or whomever) say "calm down, calm down... he might be in the bathroom or getting a drink" if she knew Kyron wouldn't be in school that day or if she knew/thought he was going along to a doctor's appointment? Why wouldn't she just say.. "He isn't in school today.. his mom took him for an appointment" ???

Continuing on....

*I'm sure Terri couldn't stay til 10 with a cranky toddler.. and since she couldn't pack up the project to bring it home.. she decided to leave.. so right before the bell rang.. at 8:45 she said goodbye to Kyron.. where he was standing in the hallway with his friends, watched him walk down the hall towards his classroom... and her and Kitty left.

* A 7th grade boy saw Kyron in the gym (without Terri) looking at projects.. around 9 am..?

* Tanner saw Kyron in the hallway somewhere around the same time.. after Terri left. Kyron told Tanner that he was "Going to go look at the cool electric" project.

* The kids were gathered up to be split into groups after the bell rang..

* Someone (volunteer?) was taking attendance.. at 10am (when Kyron was marked absent) This was when it was first noticed that Kyron was gone The adult taking attendance says something to the effect of... "Wait, there's only 5 or 6 (or whatever number) here? Where's Kyron? Then, the teacher said "calm down, calm down...it's ok.. he might be in the bathroom or getting a drink of water"
- Once again.. if the teacher knew or thought that Kyron was gone for a doctor appointment.. or knew that he left with Terri.. why would she tell the adult taking attendance that "it's ok.. he might be in the bathroom or getting a drink of water" Why would the teacher not just say "It's ok.. he went with his mom" Why would he only be marked absent then and why would Terri not have to sign him out?

* The day goes by.. Kyron's lunch and coat were left in the classroom closet.. nobody questions that.. Then sometime after 1pm... Terri calls the school to ask whether or not she needs to pick up Kyron's science fair project (since she still has the truck) The school tells her NO..

* The bus comes around 3:30.. no Kyron. 911 is called.See More
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REMINDER - THIS COMES FROM THE TERRI HORMAN SUPPORT FACEBOOK AND LIKELY DRIVEN BY TERRI'S DESIRE TO LOOK INNOCENT.  ALSO, LE HAS MADE IS CLEAR TERRI IS THE MAIN SUSPECT.

i want to apoligize for pasting this here, i should have pasted it in the thsp facebook page, i am afraid i am making this thread confusing, klass maybe you could move it before it gets replies here? sorry

[Scandi]

since we are having odd people in this case suddenly go public through 2nd partys i thought i would post this, even though i know some dont like posts from other pages and prob. esp. this one, i think it is worth reading , with a bucket of salt.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&story_fbid=160062227338089

Terri Horman Support Page ‎(MB) What DO we know about June 4th & the science fair?
* Projects were taken to the school the day before, on Thursday 6/3 (as per interview/report)

* Kaine said that he had to work that day. He told Kyron he was proud of him.. project was ...great and they would all do something special after school... get ice cream and play wii later on.. then left for work in the car.

*Terri asked Kaine to switch vehicles that day so she could use the truck to bring Kyron's project home. A lot of people find this suspicious.. but I don't see HOW it's suspicious! The projects were @ school since the day before.. and Terri probably thought that they were to go in early that day.. view the projects.. then pack them up and bring them home in the morning..when she got there, they told her that she couldn't pack it up because the fair went until 10am.. so it would need to stay.

* Terri and Kyron ( w/ Kitty) toured the science fair.. were seen by PTA president.. and other kids.. even Kyron's teacher, in the noisy, crowded gym. She knew Kitty had an ear ache.. so I'm gonna assume they chatted for a minute.. •This is where the Doctor's note confusion comes in• Nothing was ever mentioned, in earlier reports about a doctor's note or anything about a doctor visit..
- First report was - Terri gave the teacher a doctor's note and told her it needed to be filled out for Kyron's appointment the following Friday
- Second report was - The teacher thought she heard Terri say that she was taking Kyron to the doctor with the baby, because she had an earache.
So, which one was it? As mentioned before by another member, NOTHING was even brought up about this in early reports.. Nothing was mentioned about this until it was brought up that Kyron's lunch and coat were left at school.. then the doctor confusion was thrown out there to take the focus off of the lunch/coat being left behind.
- *IF* Terri did in fact give the teacher a note that needed to be filled out for a doctor's appointment.. and the teacher thought the appointment was the same day, what did the teacher DO with that note? Obviously she would need it back right away. Did the teacher say that she filled out the note, right there in the noisy gym.. then give it back to Terri?
- *IF* Terri told the teacher that she was taking Kyron along with her to Kitty's doctor appointment, then why was the person taking attendance looking for Kyron? Why would she say "Wait, there's only 5 or 6 (or whatever number) here? Where's Kyron? AND... Why would Mrs. Porter (or whomever) say "calm down, calm down... he might be in the bathroom or getting a drink" if she knew Kyron wouldn't be in school that day or if she knew/thought he was going along to a doctor's appointment? Why wouldn't she just say.. "He isn't in school today.. his mom took him for an appointment" ???

Continuing on....

*I'm sure Terri couldn't stay til 10 with a cranky toddler.. and since she couldn't pack up the project to bring it home.. she decided to leave.. so right before the bell rang.. at 8:45 she said goodbye to Kyron.. where he was standing in the hallway with his friends, watched him walk down the hall towards his classroom... and her and Kitty left.

* A 7th grade boy saw Kyron in the gym (without Terri) looking at projects.. around 9 am..?

* Tanner saw Kyron in the hallway somewhere around the same time.. after Terri left. Kyron told Tanner that he was "Going to go look at the cool electric" project.

* The kids were gathered up to be split into groups after the bell rang..

* Someone (volunteer?) was taking attendance.. at 10am (when Kyron was marked absent) This was when it was first noticed that Kyron was gone The adult taking attendance says something to the effect of... "Wait, there's only 5 or 6 (or whatever number) here? Where's Kyron? Then, the teacher said "calm down, calm down...it's ok.. he might be in the bathroom or getting a drink of water"
- Once again.. if the teacher knew or thought that Kyron was gone for a doctor appointment.. or knew that he left with Terri.. why would she tell the adult taking attendance that "it's ok.. he might be in the bathroom or getting a drink of water" Why would the teacher not just say "It's ok.. he went with his mom" Why would he only be marked absent then and why would Terri not have to sign him out?

* The day goes by.. Kyron's lunch and coat were left in the classroom closet.. nobody questions that.. Then sometime after 1pm... Terri calls the school to ask whether or not she needs to pick up Kyron's science fair project (since she still has the truck) The school tells her NO..

* The bus comes around 3:30.. no Kyron. 911 is called.See More
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Hi Sacky,  Two thoughts:

*  We learned Kaine and Terri had a bad fight the evening of the 3rd and his project was not taken to the school until the morning of the 4th.  I wonder which rendition is correct?

*  One thing we read {that is never mentioned} is that Terri supposedly shouted over the crowd in the gym that Kyron's appt was on Monday.  This is one point that has led me to believe there was premeditation on her part.  I think she was deliberately trying to confuse the teacher as to when his Dr appt was with the illusiveness of which Friday it was, then throwing in Monday.




On HLN they are about to repeat that spot I heard re: Kyron and there is something LE knows now and is not telling us.  I'll listen and write it down in case it isn't already here.


'We have uncovered some surprising details into Kyron's case.   Things that will surprise you and that you'll think about later on.  Learning these things has caused great stress on the investigators.  We have knowledge of things we don't want to know about  ~  that we wish we didn't'.

That's as close as I can get as I'm not a transcriptionist.  lol



PS:  It's good to be back after pressing family matters   xox

[Nana29]

Seamus O'Riley Statement analysis of Desiree at Kyron's Party...

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/09/kyrons-birthday.html


I read these and take away a different perspective(I don't necessarily always agree with all of his interpretation). What caught my eye this tine was one of the comments;
"Anonymous said...

    'still love him, still want him home'. It sounds to me like Desiree believes that someone told Kyron that his family didn't want him anymore, and she's reassuring him that they do want him back.
    Could it be possible that Kyron is hidden somewhere thinking mom and dad don't want him anymore?
    This is all so sad."
    Wednesday, 15 September, 2010

   I have wondered that myself, or has he been told his parents are dead? I know when my sister's children were told she was dead...they believed it ...for YEARS!  They weren't that far away either, lots of people (adults) around them knew otherwise and NEVER told!  It is not as hard as some think....misplaced loyalty, etc.
So many things in this case and so many scenarios, it's HORRID!   I choose to believe LE, they (at this point) are the best avenue and I trust and pray they know what they are doing. I also hold onto  the statement that they have no reason to believe he is not alive.   

[Scandi]

That Craigslist post above is riddled with inaccuracies. 

It very well may be, Klaas, but I think they are looking back to the begining- the school, Skyline elem, the interview with Tanner Pulama, the interview with Kurtis, the statements from the teacher-Ms Porter.

Tanner had stated the "substitute"/chaperone stated (I know, HEARSAY!!) that when the children returned from looking at the other exhibits, there were "only 5".  Ms Porter allegedly said that  (I don't remember if Ms Porter identified Kyron by name or just as a student) he was probably going to the bathroom or to get a drink.

The students would have had to be broken up and placed in smaller groups to tour the exhibits.  Why?  So the children could be SUPERVISED. 

This would indicate Kyron was PRESENT at the BEGINING of the tour AND the"substitute"/chaperone having ACCEPTED the responsibility of supervising 6 students, as well as KNOWLEDGE she only had 5 upon the CONCLUSION of the tour, one student was not ACCOUNTED FOR and was MISSING.

When this information was given to Ms Porter, she minimized it by stating he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.

Minutes after that statement, Kyron was allegedly marked absent by the teacher who just said he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.  WHY didn't she go find him or send someone after him?

I was always suspicious of weither Kyron was marked absent. 

A logical person, if after seeing a person participate in something, such as the science fair and put into a group to tour the exhibits, sees a coat and lunchbox on their desk, and then making the statement "He's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink", obviously, believes they are there- Ms Porter had no reason to assume he wasn't there.

KOIN 6 TV's reporter Kohr Harlan did the interview spot in video with Tanner.  I think he had some incorrect info on the time things happened which has caused some confusion for us.  I believe Kohr said it was 9:45 when Tanner last saw Kyron and think that time is inaccurate.  xox

[Monkey King]

That Craigslist post above is riddled with inaccuracies. 

It very well may be, Klaas, but I think they are looking back to the begining- the school, Skyline elem, the interview with Tanner Pulama, the interview with Kurtis, the statements from the teacher-Ms Porter.

Tanner had stated the "substitute"/chaperone stated (I know, HEARSAY!!) that when the children returned from looking at the other exhibits, there were "only 5".  Ms Porter allegedly said that  (I don't remember if Ms Porter identified Kyron by name or just as a student) he was probably going to the bathroom or to get a drink.

The students would have had to be broken up and placed in smaller groups to tour the exhibits.  Why?  So the children could be SUPERVISED. 

This would indicate Kyron was PRESENT at the BEGINING of the tour AND the"substitute"/chaperone having ACCEPTED the responsibility of supervising 6 students, as well as KNOWLEDGE she only had 5 upon the CONCLUSION of the tour, one student was not ACCOUNTED FOR and was MISSING.

When this information was given to Ms Porter, she minimized it by stating he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.

Minutes after that statement, Kyron was allegedly marked absent by the teacher who just said he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.  WHY didn't she go find him or send someone after him?

I was always suspicious of weither Kyron was marked absent. 

A logical person, if after seeing a person participate in something, such as the science fair and put into a group to tour the exhibits, sees a coat and lunchbox on their desk, and then making the statement "He's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink", obviously, believes they are there- Ms Porter had no reason to assume he wasn't there.

KOIN 6 TV's reporter Kohr Harlan did the interview spot in video with Tanner.  I think he had some incorrect info on the time things happened which has caused some confusion for us.  I believe Kohr said it was 9:45 when Tanner last saw Kyron and think that time is inaccurate.  xox

Thanks, Scandi.  Hopefully, we'll have some answers soon! 

[Monkey King]

REMINDER: Kaine and Desiree on OPRAH today at 4pm!

[novella]

Reading the posts...especially Puzzler's I think the that what is going to make us think is the botched sting.  I think LE took the words of Rudy Sanchez and ran with it...not realizing the consequences of their actions...the public focus on Terri, which seemed to change the course of the police investigation.  I think when this happened, other information was overlooked.  If Rudy Sanchez was lying...well those are huge implications...who would lie when the life of a little boy is on the line, what did he stand to gain from this?  A sting was set up based on Hearsay, obviously, because Terri was never arrested for the MFH plot...that is horrible police work, at best.  However, he would raise a lot of red flags if he just showed up at the school...So...

I have always been on the fence in regards to Terri's guilt.  Looking at her days of body building, I see that she can be highly focused on a goal, but the timeline and how everything would have to go perfectly seems implausible to me.  You can not predict what others will or will not remember in a public place...think of all that could have gone wrong if she had abducted him from school...all it would have taken is someone looking out the window and seeing Kyron getting into the truck.  But the same could hold true for someone else taking Kyron from the school...unless Kyron was lured into an unattended place within the school, hurt there and his body disposed of in a trash bag at lunch time...would just look like someone taking out the trash...I don't know.

I think what we are going to be shocked about is that this incident occurred in the school and LE was led astray by false testimony.  Kyron disappeared in the school...everyone in that school should have been the focus...NOT JUST TERRI!

By the way...I am not a Terri supporter...I would just like to see some evidence before I put someone in the hangman's noose.

 

[darla]

That Craigslist post above is riddled with inaccuracies. 

It very well may be, Klaas, but I think they are looking back to the begining- the school, Skyline elem, the interview with Tanner Pulama, the interview with Kurtis, the statements from the teacher-Ms Porter.

Tanner had stated the "substitute"/chaperone stated (I know, HEARSAY!!) that when the children returned from looking at the other exhibits, there were "only 5".  Ms Porter allegedly said that  (I don't remember if Ms Porter identified Kyron by name or just as a student) he was probably going to the bathroom or to get a drink.

The students would have had to be broken up and placed in smaller groups to tour the exhibits.  Why?  So the children could be SUPERVISED. 

This would indicate Kyron was PRESENT at the BEGINING of the tour AND the"substitute"/chaperone having ACCEPTED the responsibility of supervising 6 students, as well as KNOWLEDGE she only had 5 upon the CONCLUSION of the tour, one student was not ACCOUNTED FOR and was MISSING.

When this information was given to Ms Porter, she minimized it by stating he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.

Minutes after that statement, Kyron was allegedly marked absent by the teacher who just said he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.  WHY didn't she go find him or send someone after him?

I was always suspicious of weither Kyron was marked absent. 

A logical person, if after seeing a person participate in something, such as the science fair and put into a group to tour the exhibits, sees a coat and lunchbox on their desk, and then making the statement "He's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink", obviously, believes they are there- Ms Porter had no reason to assume he wasn't there.

KOIN 6 TV's reporter Kohr Harlan did the interview spot in video with Tanner.  I think he had some incorrect info on the time things happened which has caused some confusion for us.  I believe Kohr said it was 9:45 when Tanner last saw Kyron and think that time is inaccurate.  xox

Thanks, Scandi.  Hopefully, we'll have some answers soon! 

MK do you have a link for the above bolded statements, as I have not read that....it is my understanding that Kyron did not come back to the room to be divided into a group.


Forgot my manners.....Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

[wildmala]

Re: "We have a knowledge of things we don’t want to know about. We have a knowledge of things we wish we didn’t," he said.

Could it be that LE found out that one or more of their own is involved with some bad things having to do with children? Not with Kyron, but involved in other things.  Finding out one of their own is involved would certainly be something LE something they wish they didn't know.

BBM  What really got to me was his emotional reaction when these words came out of his mouth.  Kind of choked for a second.  Leads me to believe he is referring to something unconsionable involving a child/children (maybe not just Kyron).  In other cases, you tend to see LE very emotional when it comes to acts against a child.  So sad. 

[Gypsy DD]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html

SNIPPED:

"There are so many elements in this I can't even begin to comment on" Staton said.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-elements-of-a-crime.htm

The elements of a crime are a series of components which must be present in order for it to be demonstrated that someone is guilty of a crime. The prosecution must provide supporting evidence to demonstrate that all of the elements of a crime are present in a given case and the defense can challenge the validity of a case on one or more elements. Different legal systems have different standards and some truly bizarre cases have arisen to test the legal definition of the elements of a crime.

Four key components must be present: intent, conduct, concurrence, and causation. Without one of these elements, a case can start to fall apart. This fact explains why sometimes the defense will freely admit to something which seems incriminating, only to still win the case; it accepts that one element was present, but denies other elements of a crime and uses these to deconstruct the prosecution's case.

Intent, also known as mens rea or “guilty mind,” requires someone to intend to commit a crime, and to have the mental capacity to have intent. For example, someone who plans to commit a robbery clearly meets the condition of intent. If the robber hits and kills a pedestrian with the car on the way to the robbery, however, the robber cannot be charged with murder because he or she did not intend to kill the pedestrian. The pedestrian is still dead, of course, and the robber will be liable for manslaughter.

Conduct refers to actions taken on the part of the accused. To borrow our robber example again, someone can intend to commit a robbery but never actually do it, in which case the robber is not guilty because no conduct occurred. Concurrence requires a connection to be present between intent and conduct. While concurrence is often defined as “at the same time,” it is recognized that sometimes intent and conduct can occur at different points in time and someone can still be guilty.

Finally, the elements of a crime include causation, that the intent and conduct of the accused led to the crime. Someone can intend to commit a crime and engage in criminal conduct, but not actually commit the crime at issue in the court. For instance, if an assassin fires a gun and misses, intent and conduct are present, but causation is not. If the would-be victim later drops dead, the assassin's bullet was not the cause.

Still catching up..was off the puter yesterday. 

I just wanted to jump in and say this article is very important in studying this case and the people we think maybe involved.  Multiple people.

[Monkey King]

That Craigslist post above is riddled with inaccuracies. 

It very well may be, Klaas, but I think they are looking back to the begining- the school, Skyline elem, the interview with Tanner Pulama, the interview with Kurtis, the statements from the teacher-Ms Porter.

Tanner had stated the "substitute"/chaperone stated (I know, HEARSAY!!) that when the children returned from looking at the other exhibits, there were "only 5".  Ms Porter allegedly said that  (I don't remember if Ms Porter identified Kyron by name or just as a student) he was probably going to the bathroom or to get a drink.

The students would have had to be broken up and placed in smaller groups to tour the exhibits.  Why?  So the children could be SUPERVISED. 

This would indicate Kyron was PRESENT at the BEGINING of the tour AND the"substitute"/chaperone having ACCEPTED the responsibility of supervising 6 students, as well as KNOWLEDGE she only had 5 upon the CONCLUSION of the tour, one student was not ACCOUNTED FOR and was MISSING.

When this information was given to Ms Porter, she minimized it by stating he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.

Minutes after that statement, Kyron was allegedly marked absent by the teacher who just said he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink.  WHY didn't she go find him or send someone after him?

I was always suspicious of weither Kyron was marked absent. 

A logical person, if after seeing a person participate in something, such as the science fair and put into a group to tour the exhibits, sees a coat and lunchbox on their desk, and then making the statement "He's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink", obviously, believes they are there- Ms Porter had no reason to assume he wasn't there.

KOIN 6 TV's reporter Kohr Harlan did the interview spot in video with Tanner.  I think he had some incorrect info on the time things happened which has caused some confusion for us.  I believe Kohr said it was 9:45 when Tanner last saw Kyron and think that time is inaccurate.  xox

Thanks, Scandi.  Hopefully, we'll have some answers soon! 

MK do you have a link for the above bolded statements, as I have not read that....it is my understanding that Kyron did not come back to the room to be divided into a group.


Forgot my manners.....Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

This was Tanner Puma;a's interview:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/6tAZ1FmHtcI?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/6tAZ1FmHtcI?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;border=1</a>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI

[seahorse]

Poster's are commenting on O's show today. The poster must be from the Chicago area (Time Zone).  

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/new_strategy_in_kyron_horman_c/4053/comments-newest.html

[sackyattack]

Does the Portland police Bureau supervise airports?

i think that is in here:

Borrowed from blink
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/


riverpearl says:
September 16, 2010 at 11:11 am
Looks like ‘we’ missed a ‘dot’~
July 23, 2010 Sheriff Staton answered Qs via e-mail.
Q:How many investigators are still dedicated to this case and what are they doing on a daily basis?
A:A significant investigative team composed of DA Office,
East County Major Crime’s Team **
and other local, state and federal agencies are involved in this case. The numbers varies daily, based on investigative needs.
**East County Major Crime’s Team was Not included with the Q&A LIST of LE agencies**
Q:Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have assisted in the Kyron Horman investigation?
A:Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA’s investigators, Washington County District Attorney’s Office, Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.
__________________________________________
The Troutdale Police Department also participates in several inter-agency teams providing services to all of East County. These teams include partnerships with the Gresham and Fairview Police Departments and the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office. They are staffed by patrol officers and/or investigators. When they are called out, they respond directly to the scene along with the other team members from partnering departments. The teams are comprised of the following:
MAJOR CRIMES TEAM: The team with the longest history is the Major Crimes Team (MCT). This team is comprised of investigators from the participating agencies. They provide resources each time there is a homicide, attempted homicide, serious physical assault, sexual assault or missing children. Both of our current investigators participate on MCT.
http://www.ci.troutdale.or.us/documents/champion/200609-10.pdf
East Multnomah County Major Crime Team (EMCMCT):
An interagency unit that includes detectives from:
Oregon State Pokice (OSP), Multnomah County Sheriff Office (MCSO) and Gresham, Fairview and Troutdale police departments.
_______________________________________
MCSO
The Special Investigations Unit performs investigations of illegal drug activity within the greater Portland metropolitan area. The Special Investigations Team performs raids, street-level undercover operations, and gathers evidence in civil forfeiture cases. The Special Investigations Unit is composed of deputies from Multnomah County, officers from the Gresham Police and Troutdale Police departments, as well as an investigative technician.
**Sheriff Staton mentioned this Unit during 09/15 presser being involved, too.

[sackyattack]

I think we should look into the eastern connection, but with that said I also think we should keep in mind that lets say(possible scenario), a detective from troutdale with exp in missing kids was asked to help in the search early on and therefore staton is naming his agency as also being involved. It may not mean the entire troutdal, fairview, greshem depts are involved because of area leads.  Also remember that kent Name Redacted, (however they are spelling their name these days), jasons dad, was investigated by ice. Rs the ls was involved in a mfh sting involving dea, not ice at firstThe fbi came into the kyron case very early because of their missing/exploited children area of expertise.The involvement of various le hasn’t made this any clearer in my opinion, only more confusing to me. With all that said, I do think they are focusing on somehting in the eastern area troutdale etc, because of the amount of agencies involment there.

 http://www.katu.com/news/local/95669809.html
Story Updated: Jun 5, 2010 at 12:42 PM PDT
PORTLAND, Ore. - Police are looking for a second grader from Skyline Elementary who did not come home from school Friday.

Late Friday night the search for 7-year-old Kyron Horman was upgraded to a major crimes team investigation which brings in the FBI. Officials said the search was upgraded because the FBI has more resources.
Also: http://www.katu.com/news/local/95725809.html


June 5-6
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95691389.html

On Friday a decision was made to upgrade the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation. This allows for more resources to be deployed, which included resources from Portland Police Bureau, Gresham Police Department, Fairview Police Department, Oregon State Patrol and the FBI.

Search and rescue resources also expanded to include SearchOne Canine Inc., Mountain Rescue, Yamhill County Canine and additional members of the Multnomah County Search and Rescue team. Members continued their searching throughout the night, encompassing more than 20 miles of road and two square miles. Portland Police Bureau's air unit also was called in.


Story Published: Jun 7, 2010 at 7:07 AM PDT
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95768334.html
The FBI has dispatched its Child Abduction Rapid Deployment Team, as well as its Behavioral Analysis Unit, which often takes part when a young child disappears. Its presence doesn't mean law enforcement has determined the child has been abducted, FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said in an e-mail

Multnomah County sheriff's deputies, the county's search and rescue team, the Oregon State Patrol and police officers from Portland, Gresham and Fairview were taking part in the search, which focused on the area surrounding the school and the two miles to Kyron's house. 

6) http://www.katu.com/news/local/95808084.html
hope this link still works:
View Skyline School in a larger map

[wildmala]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1170793/pg70

TOM JONES
User ID: 1060460
9/16/2010 5:12 AM

What Dede has heard about Rudy Sanchez (RS) from Terri ;
She said that neither Terri or herself are convinced RS did something with Kyron but can see possible motive and opprotunity on his part.
According to Dede sometime around last fall Terri told her that Kaine was continuing to pressure her to get more done around the house and property and that Terri was thinking of hiring a landscaper.
Then later at the birthday party in march Terri told her that she had hired a landscaper and that he had assaulted her in a sexual manner. Terri then talked to her about RS trying to contact her afterwards by phone one morning while she was with a friend from the gym eating at a IHOP.
This friend was also at terris birthday party, Terri had told her about RS and what had happened so she took the call for Terri and basically told RS to piss off and to quit calling and leave Terri alone.
According to Dede when she stayed with Terri she told her more about her interaction with RS.
Terri told the investigators about RS and what had happened, they left and investigated RS.
He then later showed up at Terris trying to extort the 10G, which turned out to be the botched sting.
According to Dede they both suspect RSs motive could be that his " machismo" was insulted when Terri rejected his advances and theorize that RS may have taken Kyron as revenge.
Considering his past record with children and his knowledge of the school grounds and operation, he would be comfortable there and if seen would be able to explained his being there rather easily because he had worked there.
They theorize when LE investigated RS infront of his family he came up with the MFH proposal of him by Terri, and then didn't have much choice but to play along with the sting operation set up by LE.
He had to to save his own skin and keep his family, who is now unaccounted for. What happened to them and where is Rudy Sanches?
Hummmmm........

Is this saying that RS and/or his family are 'missing'??  I know the source is questionable but have we heard anything stating something similar?  I would assume (HOPE) that LE has close tabs on RS AND his family just in case...