Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #28 9/12/2010 - 9/18/2010

[Deenie]

Oregon
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.257

Custodial interference in the first degree

(1) A person commits the crime of custodial interference in the first degree if the person violates ORS 163.245 (Custodial interference in the second degree) and:

(a) Causes the person taken, enticed or kept from the lawful custodian or in violation of a valid joint custody order to be removed from the state; or

(b) Exposes that person to a substantial risk of illness or physical injury.

(2) Expenses incurred by a lawful custodial parent or a parent enforcing a valid joint custody order in locating and regaining physical custody of the person taken, enticed or kept in violation of this section are "economic damages" for purposes of restitution under ORS 137.103 (Definitions for ORS 137.101 to 137.109) to 137.109 (Effect of restitution order on other remedies of victim).

(3) Custodial interference in the first degree is a Class B felony. [1971 c.743 §101; 1981 c.774 §2; 1987 c.795 §8; 2005 c.564 §7]
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Many many bi-laws and degrees of within each law: within the term Custodial interference
I would love to know why this was brought up Puzzler ..
who is exactly challenging this, bringing it to the table, and for which child? within the Horman household?
Kryon or Kiara ?

[Tracygirl]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments

Newsatfive says:
September 17, 2010 at 12:31 am
Just Thinking says:
“FELONY CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE. FELONY??
Does that mean custodial interference of her children and their father? hard to believe since no one appears to be interested!Or custodial interference of another child and parents.”

It can be either a lawful parent who is messing with the other parents rights to parent their child — with or without a court order — or a third party who is interfering.

@Blink says:
“If I had to guess, because of the children’s immigration status as citizens, DFS was able to secure a Guardian Ad Litem, which then produced a felony warrant, essentially making them “wards” of the court. This would all be sealed of course- newsat5?”

If the state commences a child welfare hearing, it would be confidential. “Child welfare” is a big catchall for allegations of abuse or neglect. A parent’s alleged involvement in criminal acts, or refusal to cooperate with LE (I.e, “failure to protect”) could give rise to a child welfare action, IMHO. As in criminal court, the parent has a right to an attorney.

Usually, the court appoints a guardian ad litem to investigate the allegations. However, with older children, the court could appoint an attorney for the child instead.

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As to the allegation that Rudy may have taken Kyron as payback for the fact that his own kids were kidnapped, I agree this is a viable scenario.

Thank You our resident expert
B

So my questions are, how do they know these people are missing? Who reported them missing? Did anyone see them leave of their own free will? I am not convinced there is not foul play. My first reaction is to figure out who Rudy is exactly with this woman and the children, is he their father, her husband? Has that been established? I think it has, is that correct? So doesn't it sound a bit hinky there is a man who is now involved with another missing person case? Someone please correct me if it has not been established that Rudy is this missing woman's husband.

[Scandi]

This is beyond frustrating.
There are so many possibilities regarding what LE was alluding to as to what they have discovered that they wish they hadn't.
Do they really believe Kyron is still among the living?
As mush as I'd like to believe that, I just can't.

Curly I am sure someone posted this yesterday -
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/09/kyron-investigation-sheriff-statement.html

Don't know if you read it yet. I just read it a few minutes ago ...
It really is " scary" to attempt to read into the statement of LE
As the presser is broken down .. here by Peter/Seamus.
  Kyron is a victim of ?? What did Terri do with him? Who are these people she is possibly associated with from her past? Dede? what is her part?
sigh .......

Thanks for that Deenie.  What an analysis that was.  I am still shaking.  Who is this Seamus O'Riley?  Ta

Ms. Scandi
I don't know who he is other than his blog, he writes and offers commentary - like Dr. Lillian Glass. But he offers a different prospective. He is not within the body language, but of the words used in context spoken ..as far as I can understand. 
He seems to offer up a lot of incite and I do feel he is unbiased - even when he wishes he could insert his own opinion. He is a DAD so he has to keep himself composed at times.
With Caylee, Haleigh, and Kyron ..  in his statements ...along with others.
But the kids, I can tell it hurts for him ..just like it does for all of us.

Thanks Deenie,  I have saved it thinking it is worth several more read-thru's.   I'll have to see what he has written on other cases.   xox

[Scandi]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments

Newsatfive says:
September 17, 2010 at 12:31 am
Just Thinking says:
“FELONY CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE. FELONY??
Does that mean custodial interference of her children and their father? hard to believe since no one appears to be interested!Or custodial interference of another child and parents.”

It can be either a lawful parent who is messing with the other parents rights to parent their child — with or without a court order — or a third party who is interfering.

@Blink says:
“If I had to guess, because of the children’s immigration status as citizens, DFS was able to secure a Guardian Ad Litem, which then produced a felony warrant, essentially making them “wards” of the court. This would all be sealed of course- newsat5?”

If the state commences a child welfare hearing, it would be confidential. “Child welfare” is a big catchall for allegations of abuse or neglect. A parent’s alleged involvement in criminal acts, or refusal to cooperate with LE (I.e, “failure to protect”) could give rise to a child welfare action, IMHO. As in criminal court, the parent has a right to an attorney.

Usually, the court appoints a guardian ad litem to investigate the allegations. However, with older children, the court could appoint an attorney for the child instead.

~~~~~~

As to the allegation that Rudy may have taken Kyron as payback for the fact that his own kids were kidnapped, I agree this is a viable scenario.

Thank You our resident expert
B

So my questions are, how do they know these people are missing? Who reported them missing? Did anyone see them leave of their own free will? I am not convinced there is not foul play. My first reaction is to figure out who Rudy is exactly with this woman and the children, is he their father, her husband? Has that been established? I think it has, is that correct? So doesn't it sound a bit hinky there is a man who is now involved with another missing person case? Someone please correct me if it has not been established that Rudy is this missing woman's husband.

It is what I think I have read, but then I get RS confused with the man sent down to Sheridan.  I've read rumors tonight about the RS scenario but don't know if I can post that here ???

[Tracygirl]

 Where the heck is this child? What happened to him? Last summer I sat at my computer for days and days, posting on the Lindsey thread, sadly that case is still open and imo has gone cold. I pray so hard that does not happen with this little guy. Perhaps a prayer....

Dear God, In your loving and caring name I pray to you tonight,   please show mercy and allow Kyron to be found and brought home to the loving arms of his family. Please shed your loving light within the hearts of those responsible and may that prompt them to confess and tell where he is.   

Goodnight fellow monkeys. May tomorrow be the day Kyron is found.

[Scandi]

Oregon
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.257

Custodial interference in the first degree

(1) A person commits the crime of custodial interference in the first degree if the person violates ORS 163.245 (Custodial interference in the second degree) and:

(a) Causes the person taken, enticed or kept from the lawful custodian or in violation of a valid joint custody order to be removed from the state; or

(b) Exposes that person to a substantial risk of illness or physical injury.

(2) Expenses incurred by a lawful custodial parent or a parent enforcing a valid joint custody order in locating and regaining physical custody of the person taken, enticed or kept in violation of this section are "economic damages" for purposes of restitution under ORS 137.103 (Definitions for ORS 137.101 to 137.109) to 137.109 (Effect of restitution order on other remedies of victim).

(3) Custodial interference in the first degree is a Class B felony. [1971 c.743 §101; 1981 c.774 §2; 1987 c.795 §8; 2005 c.564 §7]
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Many many bi-laws and degrees of within each law: within the term Custodial interference
I would love to know why this was brought up Puzzler ..
who is exactly challenging this, bringing it to the table, and for which child? within the Horman household?
Kryon or Kiara ?

Hi Deenie,  I just read the name of a lady who works either for Troutdale or Fairview and is a specialist in human trafficking.  Did you read that and have her name?  Thought I'd do a bit of reading about what she is all about.  Thanks

[Scandi]

OMG, That was suppose to be 'did', not 'sis' in the above post.  Sorry ;}

corrected

[zippiddy_doo_daw]

Oregon
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.257

Custodial interference in the first degree

(1) A person commits the crime of custodial interference in the first degree if the person violates ORS 163.245 (Custodial interference in the second degree) and:

(a) Causes the person taken, enticed or kept from the lawful custodian or in violation of a valid joint custody order to be removed from the state; or

(b) Exposes that person to a substantial risk of illness or physical injury.

(2) Expenses incurred by a lawful custodial parent or a parent enforcing a valid joint custody order in locating and regaining physical custody of the person taken, enticed or kept in violation of this section are "economic damages" for purposes of restitution under ORS 137.103 (Definitions for ORS 137.101 to 137.109) to 137.109 (Effect of restitution order on other remedies of victim).

(3) Custodial interference in the first degree is a Class B felony. [1971 c.743 §101; 1981 c.774 §2; 1987 c.795 §8; 2005 c.564 §7]
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Many many bi-laws and degrees of within each law: within the term Custodial interference
I would love to know why this was brought up Puzzler ..
who is exactly challenging this, bringing it to the table, and for which child? within the Horman household?
Kryon or Kiara ?

Deenie - this is why "custodial interference" came up - there has been no "real proof", IMO, that this is indeed RS's wife -
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewCsawDetail&caseNum=1148744&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

ELSY LEONOR MEJIA-SANCHEZ     
(Companion)    
Case Type: Family Abduction    
DOB: Aug 8, 1978    Sex: Female
Missing Date: May 19, 2010    Race: Hispanic
Age Now: 32    Height: 5'0" (152 cm)
Missing City: PORTLAND    Weight: 180 lbs (82 kg)
Missing State :  OR    Hair Color: Black
Missing Country: United States    Eye Color: Brown
Case Number: NCMC1148744    
Circumstances: Jamie and Ubaldo were allegedly abducted by their mother, Elsy Mejia-Sanchez, on May 19, 2010. A felony warrant for Custodial Interference was issued for Elsy on July 27, 2010. Jamie has a mole on her upper right cheek. Elsy may go by the alias last name Mejia-Puerto.
When I originally posted this Link - I also posted the photo of the mother -
"custodial interference" is basically a "non-stranger" abduction..

[Deenie]

Me just throwing this out - and it is of Kaine's past including Desiree and Terri

Kaine to me is not walking on water. He has a place in all of this.
He regardless of what he says - was in a commitment with Desiree. They were legally married and had a Kyron on the way. Living in the same house, sharing separate rooms ? whatever

What man leaves his child to be ? He was clearly at a state he no longer wanted to be a partner to Desiree so be it. So what? It's a father's right/job to ride it out cowboy..get over your self. You stay for your child. A real man would. He would not go running around trying to find a " fill in" for his lack of ..if you get my drift. Its a two way street, when one is looking vs being found.
He though finds Terri at a " restaurant" June of 2002, hooks up with her as if she is sliced bread. Kyron to be born Sept 2002. Terri and Kaine are then living together by Dec 2002. He is married to Desiree yet. ( I don't know why Desiree has allowed Kaine to put her in front of the media so many times reading a script, when she can barely breath, her not living in the Horman household )

What was he thinking ? That Kyron would fit in with his new bed buddy, hot flame ? in his love shack with Terri ?, Terri was not after Kyron, in Kaines world.. Actually Kyron came after Terri, not before her. Kryon was only months old when he and Terri started living together, in Dec 02.  Things that make you want to go 
 I question him and his integrity as a person, and NO one can say " Oh he was young, or in a turbulent marriage, BS, he knew right from wrong - or at best had some skills of morality"
From a person looking into a window with little facts - I know if I had a baby on the way and felt incomplete with the partner .. I would say ' My child ' is all that matters " I have to focus on the Baby"... obviously Kaine wasn't feeling that way.. he needed someone to hold his( I am being nice) hand ..so he could accommodate himself "living alone" as a new father to be? Where was his brain at? knowing he had a Baby coming into the world? His first child?  Meanwhile Desiree is left holding everything and all including her health ..while he walks off into the sunset with Terri by his side. Still married to Desiree.
That's not right Monkeys..
1 + 1 = 2
1+ 2 add a baby = One person is going to feel left out. was it a Woman or a baby? The catalyst being Kaine. Fundamentals.  School house rock.
 


 

[Deenie]

Oregon
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.257

Custodial interference in the first degree

(1) A person commits the crime of custodial interference in the first degree if the person violates ORS 163.245 (Custodial interference in the second degree) and:

(a) Causes the person taken, enticed or kept from the lawful custodian or in violation of a valid joint custody order to be removed from the state; or

(b) Exposes that person to a substantial risk of illness or physical injury.

(2) Expenses incurred by a lawful custodial parent or a parent enforcing a valid joint custody order in locating and regaining physical custody of the person taken, enticed or kept in violation of this section are "economic damages" for purposes of restitution under ORS 137.103 (Definitions for ORS 137.101 to 137.109) to 137.109 (Effect of restitution order on other remedies of victim).

(3) Custodial interference in the first degree is a Class B felony. [1971 c.743 §101; 1981 c.774 §2; 1987 c.795 §8; 2005 c.564 §7]
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Many many bi-laws and degrees of within each law: within the term Custodial interference
I would love to know why this was brought up Puzzler ..
who is exactly challenging this, bringing it to the table, and for which child? within the Horman household?
Kryon or Kiara ?

Hi Deenie,  I just read the name of a lady who works either for Troutdale or Fairview and is a specialist in human trafficking.  Sis you read that and have her name?  Thought I'd do a bit of reading about what she is all about.  Thanks

Scandi I need to follow up on the other posts within Kyron's cage - the farm owner etc.
Thank you - so much within the named  " so mind boggling because it has nothing to do with Kyron/himself, Yet it may be why he is Missing- the associates of Terri etc" .. blows my brain away.  These people  are who?  and the the thought of Human trafficking - All I can do is pray ..and say NO. Not Kyron.  Its so over my head at times. 

[Scandi]

Oregon
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.257

Custodial interference in the first degree

(1) A person commits the crime of custodial interference in the first degree if the person violates ORS 163.245 (Custodial interference in the second degree) and:

(a) Causes the person taken, enticed or kept from the lawful custodian or in violation of a valid joint custody order to be removed from the state; or

(b) Exposes that person to a substantial risk of illness or physical injury.

(2) Expenses incurred by a lawful custodial parent or a parent enforcing a valid joint custody order in locating and regaining physical custody of the person taken, enticed or kept in violation of this section are "economic damages" for purposes of restitution under ORS 137.103 (Definitions for ORS 137.101 to 137.109) to 137.109 (Effect of restitution order on other remedies of victim).

(3) Custodial interference in the first degree is a Class B felony. [1971 c.743 §101; 1981 c.774 §2; 1987 c.795 §8; 2005 c.564 §7]
--
Many many bi-laws and degrees of within each law: within the term Custodial interference
I would love to know why this was brought up Puzzler ..
who is exactly challenging this, bringing it to the table, and for which child? within the Horman household?
Kryon or Kiara ?

Hi Deenie,  I just read the name of a lady who works either for Troutdale or Fairview and is a specialist in human trafficking.  Sis you read that and have her name?  Thought I'd do a bit of reading about what she is all about.  Thanks

Scandi I need to follow up on the other posts within Kyron's cage - the farm owner etc.
Thank you - so much within the named  " so mind boggling because it has nothing to do with Kyron/himself, Yet it may be why he is Missing- the associates of Terri etc" .. blows my brain away.  These people  are who?  and the the thought of Human trafficking - All I can do is pray ..and say NO. Not Kyron.  Its so over my head at times. 

I should have written her name down.  LOL  What the post said is that the core investigation seems to be shifting out to East County with Troutdale and Fairview involved and a lady that works for one of those cities is very involved in the human trafficking problem.  It is just interesting and might mean nothing.  xox

[Puzzler]

Personally I wish the fighting on this thread would just stop. I find that more of a distraction then talk about Avi's or emails. We are all here for the same reason, to find Kyron. If you are behind and need an update, just ask for one and I am sure someone will post for ya. I am a regular on this thread and I don't mind that at all. I thought perhaps in the beginning of a new thread if a quick update could be posted by someone that may help to catch up everyone. Just a thought.

I agree that "fighting" is "more distracting" than avi's or emails.

[Puzzler]

Oregon
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/163.257

Custodial interference in the first degree

(1) A person commits the crime of custodial interference in the first degree if the person violates ORS 163.245 (Custodial interference in the second degree) and:

(a) Causes the person taken, enticed or kept from the lawful custodian or in violation of a valid joint custody order to be removed from the state; or

(b) Exposes that person to a substantial risk of illness or physical injury.

(2) Expenses incurred by a lawful custodial parent or a parent enforcing a valid joint custody order in locating and regaining physical custody of the person taken, enticed or kept in violation of this section are "economic damages" for purposes of restitution under ORS 137.103 (Definitions for ORS 137.101 to 137.109) to 137.109 (Effect of restitution order on other remedies of victim).

(3) Custodial interference in the first degree is a Class B felony. [1971 c.743 §101; 1981 c.774 §2; 1987 c.795 §8; 2005 c.564 §7]
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Many many bi-laws and degrees of within each law: within the term Custodial interference
I would love to know why this was brought up Puzzler ..
who is exactly challenging this, bringing it to the table, and for which child? within the Horman household?
Kryon or Kiara ?

Not Kyron or Kiara.  It's about Sanchez children.  The mom took them away and there's a felony arrest warrant out on her.  It started with a long posting by Blink on her site and her posters have been talking about it ever since (2-3 days now).

Here's the link to Blink's post:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments

[Deenie]

Personally I wish the fighting on this thread would just stop. I find that more of a distraction then talk about Avi's or emails. We are all here for the same reason, to find Kyron. If you are behind and need an update, just ask for one and I am sure someone will post for ya. I am a regular on this thread and I don't mind that at all. I thought perhaps in the beginning of a new thread if a quick update could be posted by someone that may help to catch up everyone. Just a thought.

I agree that "fighting" is "more distracting" than avi's or emails.

I am not here everyday, nor lurk everyday ..I don't understand these posts of " ppl being off base" if I am one that is of mention creating such a ?? which I don't of ..please someone fill me in. Yell at me .. say something. Because, I am not gathering what all are complaining about, I feel lost with these posts ... of people offering distractions away from Kyron 
 

[Deenie]

Thank You Zip and Puzzler for your explanations of - who is being named within Custodial interference .. I have yet to follow up on the Sanchez crew ..
I have gone to the cage of those named LS and Family ( outside of Kyron's cage) and I am at a full loss. I would have to start reading at the first post to understand it all ..and I have not done that yet.

[Deenie]

For Kyron

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/j3F3M_DPKZc?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/j3F3M_DPKZc?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

Good Night ~ tomorrow is a brand new day 

[tnmomb]

"Oregon has become a hub for victims trafficked along the West Coast.  In a recent FBI sting conducted in 30 US cities, Portland yielded the second most arrests and victims"

http://www.northportlandneighborhood.net/sentinel/node/5919

[mymonkey]

For Kyron

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/j3F3M_DPKZc?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/j3F3M_DPKZc?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

Good Night ~ tomorrow is a brand new day 

Deenie...you are such a thoughtful monkey ::MonkeyAngel::God Bless You

[seahorse]

HLN - "Issues" (JVM) September 16, 2010: Bruce McCain gave an interesting telephone comment to Jane.

Did anyone watch the show yesterday?   

[seahorse]

Lazydog.....I have been reading here for 5 yrs and have been a member for almost 3. I am far from being a cold person, as most of my fellow Monkeys can attest to. But I am blunt at times. I have limited reading time due to back surgery and a stroke on top of that. We have Musings and JSM's begging to be banned for chit-chat and two sites for avi's. I get frustrated when I come in to find news on a missing child and have to wade through 50 pages of chit chat that has nothing to do with the child that is missing. Sorry If my being blunt offends anyone.

if we are going to start going into terri's supposed guilt/innocence you could start with page one, thread one. most people have already had this conversation a hundred times. if you read what has already been discussed and then come and post about it, that is fine, but i suggest you do what i had to do, read read read, see what has already been eliminated on the forum. and btw there is a speculation and theory thread now. 

Where did this come from? For your information I have been here since the first post on this thread. I read every post til they got so dang stupid I skipped over about 50 pages of Speculations and theories. What I posted that you quoted above was about all the chit-chat and oohing and awing and discussing how much everyone loved each others avatars. Had nothing to do with Terri's guilt or innocence. So before you start telling me what i should do,  you might want to rethink attacking me.

i wasnt attacking you at all, i quoted it because i thought it was an excellent post and was hoping to get the current topic kinda back on, sorry

The full moon isn't until the September 28  ::MonkeyHaHa::http://www.seasky.org/astronomy/astronomy_calendar_2010.html
That is unless you are over IS