Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #28 9/12/2010 - 9/18/2010

[Deenie]

http://www.kptv.com/news/25058719/detail.html

Ex-Sheriff Weighs In On Kyron Task Force

POSTED: 5:57 pm PDT September 17, 2010
UPDATED: 7:45 pm PDT September 17, 2010

Thank U Nana
PORTLAND, Ore. -- A former Multnomah County sheriff said a task force could have been more useful earlier in the investigation into Kyron Horman's disappearance.

Earlier this week, Sheriff Dan Staton announced he plans to reorganize resources in the criminal investigation and create a smaller and more focused task force.

Bernie Giusto said Friday the new task force speaks volumes about the case.

“Well, I think more than anything it means there’s no place to go right away," he said.

When he was Gresham police chief in the late 1990s, Giusto said he created a task force in a missing child case shortly after the investigation started. The Kyron task force is coming very late in the game, he said.

"Task forces are usually a greater benefit when they start the investigation because, when they start in the middle, they’re not going to start in the middle, they’re going to start over again," Giusto said.

Giusto said he does not know details about the criminal investigation into Kyron's disappearance, but he thinks mistakes have been made. He said too much emphasis has been placed on Kyron's stepmother, Terri Horman, and other potential suspects haven’t been considered.
Giusto also said he isn't confident enough is being done to gather physical evidence.
"I notice this investigation is a little short on search warrants for different places," Giusto said. "I think there’s been a computer or two seized, but that will tell you that that nobody’s quite clear, after the school, where else to check."

Giusto said he's always been more vocal than other law enforcement officials, but said he is surprised by how tight-lipped Staton has been about the case.

"I believe there are a couple other avenues you could take and that really is better communication with the public. There’s no reason now not to lay out specifics in this case. What can it harm?" he said.

Kyron vanished from Skyline School on June 4. Investigators haven't announced any suspects or evidence in the case.

[Puzzler]

The other thing that does not make sense about Chad Stavley " Dede's Atty"
Why was he was so confident after the GJ with Dede doing the walk outside the courthouse .. Dede Sauntering with her Cat that ate the Canary smug face ..
That he said " It will be a matter of time, that Terri Horman will be Arrested" ..basically 
How would he know that information ? Nothing was disclosed that day in court. He is to be representing Dede? Terri's BFF that has not offered up a word, coughed or sneezed sideways for Kyron's benefit .. She claiming I know nothing - Yet her Atty representing her offers the public a statement " Terri will be arrested at one point, its a matter of when"   

Did he and Terri have a convo on the Phone? I doubt it. And Dede being claimed quoted on People Magazine - that she was staying at the Horman house " For 11 days" to be Terri's Doberman? That Terri required protection ..    Uh no. It was for Dede's benefit as well to stay there - was Money in the bank ..for her.

Almost makes you wonder if there is a leak within - that everyone is making this their Free For All - and Kyron is no where to be found or even a interest of being found ..because as long as the " Drama" is in focus ..there is Money to be made. Profiteering being the focus.
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Attorney-says-hed-be-surprised-if-step-mom-not-arrested-in-Kyron-case-99289494.html
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 8:48 PM

PORTLAND, Ore. -- DeDe Spicher, identified as a close friend of Terri Moulton-Horman, appeared before a grand jury Monday in Multnomah County as part of the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of her step-son Kyron Horman.
Spicher's attorney told NBC Dateline that he would be "surprised" if Terri was not arrested in the case.
Grand jury proceedings are not open to the public or the media, so it was unknown exactly what Spicher said. However, her attorney did confirm that Spicher was subpoenaed to testify. She did not give any testimony under oath Monday.
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Somethings not Right..its starting to smell a bit Anthony.

I've always wondered "why" the attorney would make a statement about someone else and saying he would be surprised if Terri wasn't arrested.  To me that was just "stupid" to make a statement like that. 

I believe that the grand jury is video taping and the video can be used in court - in lieu of "oath".

[MonkeyFlower]

I was poking around the internet today. Thinking of the words from LE.
That all is going to be found out as ..Open ended.   

Thinking about Dede and her relationship with Terri at present. Wondering if they are able to speak to each other etc..Or have they severed their friendship ? That their Atty's are advising them to stay away from each other.

I was thinking about Dede's Attorney. I am sure this has been brought up before. I went to his site online " Chad Stavley" and I am confused why she chose him. I wonder if they are personal friends? Because he is noted all over these fake like sites pulling his name and address
" As a Bicycle / Motorcycle " injury Atty. With her background being at one time a Biking enthusiast was he in a group with her at one time? That they are personal friends?
That he is doing what he is offering Pro Bono? In exchange for the instant celebritism because this is of Kyron. He is essentially riding on Kyron's name..which is sad to think. But not too far off .. to believe.
His Atty Law Website is: http://www.oregonaccidentattorney.com/ 
Says his Practice of Law is:
Lawyer Practice Areas
• Vehicle Accidents
  ° Car Accident
  ° Automobile
  ° Motorcycle Accident
  ° Truck Accident
  ° Bus
  ° Light Rail
  ° Scooter
  ° ATV - All Terrain
• Vehicular Assaults
  ° Drunk Driving Victims
• Wrongful Death
• Negligence
• Dog Bite Injury
• Premises Liability
• Elder Abuse Law
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Which one of the pickings would Dede Fall under? that he would represent her?  Wrongful Death?
Negligence? Premises Liability? 

I don't know if anyone answered this, but I am pretty sure I heard he was a friend of the family or something like that.

[MonkeyFlower]

I think what I am trying to say is looks can be deceiving.  Here it looks like Kyron came from a very well adjusted, nice middle class family that were very involved in his life. However it appears Terri was much more involved in other things..and now I question her even helping out at his school..I think that was just for her gratification..to help her get a job there..not for Kyron.

I think from the things we know now we can see that Terri's life with Kaine had been one lie after another to him, their families and friends. 

I think people who knew Terri will be very surprised when they find out what she was truly like..and what she was truly doing with her free time....and somehow this ties into Kyron being missing.

Lot of good points.  I'm thinking this can of worms is just too big to only be Terri...lots of others I'm thinkings.  In the latest presser, LE didn't mention Terri's name.  But did talk of other investigations to come in the future. 

I think it is more then Terri also.

THINK: Catherine Zeta-Jones' character in Traffic

[Tracygirl]

Puzzler I'm thinking that the sheriff meant they wish they didn't know what all the adults around Kyron were involved in.  At first I thought that maybe something they found with LE that they wish they wouldn't have discovered, but in that case, I don't think there would have been any comment like that  IMO>

I agree. I think that is what he was alluding to. (BBM above)

Especially after he said something to the effect of: "When the investigation is over, what you find out will make you look back and think. "

I agree with both of you.  We all know the company we keep says a lot about us as persons.  All adults know that..and some adults feel that their adult life is strictly their own..and does not impact others.  But I feel that the decisions adults make impact the children around them all the time.  If you are a moral person and a caring person..then more then likely that is the type of people you befriend.

In this case I think Terri befriended the wrong type of people and the result was Kyron's disappearance.  I don't know if she was into drugs, many illicit affairs or what..but I do know it takes a certain type of person to try to hire a hit on their spouse rather then just divorce them. I know it takes a certain type of person to be sexting just a few weeks after a child you stated you called "son" to disappear.  I know it takes a certain kind of person to worry about their hair color when this same child has only been missing less then a week.  I could go on..but you get the drift..

Everytime that hair coloring bit comes up it makes me wonder if they were all so upset about Kyron being missing, that conversation was awkward, if at all, and maybe the hair color statement was just something to say.  And...it hit Desiree the wrong way (not anything wrong with that) but "maybe" it was a benign statement just to say something during an awkward time.

Yea can you imagine the tention in that room? I have a habit of talking about stupid things if the stress level goes up.

I understand your points Puzzler and TG.  BUT..and this is a big but..this conversation happened the week after Kyron was missing.  That means to me, that rather then being with detectives, being with James or Kiara or her husband..she went to get her hair dyed.  To that I gotta say..huh?  I would be so upset I wouldn't be able to think about rather I needed a touch up job, or even care...this is where the rubber meets the road.

Terri wanted life to go as normal almost immediately..even to the point of visiting her salon to get a color job..while Kyron had been missing less then a week.  If her salon had sent someone to the house due to the circumstances I could better understand..but to decide to keep an appointment to color your hair..in the first week of Kyron missing..unthinkable to me.

I believe, could be wrong but how I remember it is, she got her hair done prior to Kyron going missing not while he was missing.

[seahorse]

I don't think Bruce has any more information than we do. He's just speculating, like the rest of us. IMO.

Bruce a retired Oregon Police Chief and he is also is presently working as.  He knows more than we all do. He hasn't been wrong yet.   

[seahorse]

Sorry, Bruce is an Attorney besides being a retired LE.  I don't think he needs to speculate. 

[seahorse]

Monkeys,

Bruce's interview. The enterview is speaking of adults as in plural. It will be interesting when we find out more.

http://www.livedash.com/transcript/issues_with_jane_velez-mitchell/5100/HLN/Thursday_September_16_2010/299927/

4:03 Bruce? 
00:24:03 >> Well, yes, jane. 

00:24:04 As a matter of fact, I was actually discussing this with victoria today on her show. 

00:24:08 I tend to agree, that one thing I don't believe those comments were directed to was about what actually happened to kyron himself. 

00:24:15 People immediately think, gee, they got grisly detail yous about kyron's demise.
 
00:24:20 That's not the case. 

00:24:22 They don't know what happened to kyron. 

00:24:24 I think victoria's absolutely correct, that this is going to be unsavory details about all of the details, plural, that are around this whole sordid mess.

00:24:33 >> And the details would have something to do with sex, is your speculation or hypothesis? 

00:24:40 Given she was sexting somebody? 

00:24:42 >> Absolutely, yes. 

00:24:43 I think that's absolutely true.
 
00:24:44 We know about the sexting texting.
 
00:24:47 There's other issues. 

00:24:50 Again, the multiple marriages.
 
00:24:52 There's going to be unflattering details about all the adults.   

00:24:55 I don't think it's limited to tierry horman about the sexting texting. 

00:25:00 That's not a surprise. 
00:25:02 He said there will be surprises. 

00:25:03 The surprise will probably be the people we're not focusing on right now and some of their details. 

00:25:08 But the good news, fu want to call it that, is that this is not sad details about kyron himself. 




Thanks for reposting this.  Second time I read it, I got more out of it.  Interview indicates that it's "not" "just" about sexting, "because" the sexing is "not a surprise". 

Well...that's true.  So the "surprise" will be about something else.



 
 

[/quote]

Puzzler, that right, I needed to read it twice myself. 

Yes, there is a surprise of some sort with the Adults behavior and it must not be texting.

Bruce must have inside sources because he is so sure of himself, or the information (will be) is public record.
He did say plural, so more than one Adult's behavior is going to be the surprise.

[Monkey King]

Does anyone know if there are trascripts of the Staton presser?

[Monkey King]

Ya know, the more I think about the PC and what was said that made me so unsettled I have to go back and now wonder if there isn't some miniscule amount of truth to what the crazy lady that made the youtube videos was indicating.  She pointed to the most horrific outcome that we could think of and now some of us are thinking child porn ring/exploit/abuse.  I know it was a possibility all along but Stantons' statement, thought not said outright, pushed us just a little further into thinking what we don't want to think.  We all know the youtube lady is nuts but could she be right just this one time?  How would she know this anyway?  Better yet, how could she pick all this out of the air?  Does anyone local know who she was referring to as Dr. Death?  I'm sorry, she did say Dr. Death didn't she?  I just don't wanna go watch it again now.  Forgive me.

Yes, she did say Dr. Death.  The name could refer to several possibilities.

Here's that specific video you are referencing ClayCat~

Disturbing video.  Music is kinda loud.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/DrThpQUFy_c?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/DrThpQUFy_c?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;border=1</a>

(These videos are made as possible scenarios per musicworldnewstoday1 ~Monkey King)

  

[Deenie]

Does anyone know if there are trascripts of the Staton presser?

Monkey King, I cannot find transcripts 
But on Koin the video of Staton is full - does not stop or break off
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kyron-investigation-transitions-to-task-force/4Hpc1rxqOkKV5KZa9kIQeA.cspx
Article:
Citing a “critical phase,” the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office announced Wednesday it will transition the Kyron Horman investigation to a special task force.

“It’s time to scale this down,” said Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton in an approximately 35-minute news conference.
“We’ve reached the point—the info we’ve gathered—resources we’ve dedicated—we’ve narrowed it down to a scope,” he said.

The sheriff’s office investment in the Kyron investigation amounts to $1,044,000 so far, according to Staton.
Staton said eight to 10 investigators will be assigned to the Kyron task force, as opposed to the figure of 30 investigators that were previously involved on a weekly basis.
The investigation is still moving forward and the initial scope of resources is still available if needed, according to the sheriff.

After initially throwing everything they had at the investigation process that began June 4, Staton said it is no longer cost-effective or responsible to maintain such a level, and that the time has come for him to release investigators back to their normal tasks.
The decision to implement a task force and reallocate resources came after briefings with investigators and the district attorney’s office, he said.

“I'm very confident and feel very comfortable continuing the investigation in the manner we outlined,” said Staton. "(The investigation) shouldn't fall of the radar screen at all."
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Hope this helps

[Deenie]

I think what I am trying to say is looks can be deceiving.  Here it looks like Kyron came from a very well adjusted, nice middle class family that were very involved in his life. However it appears Terri was much more involved in other things..and now I question her even helping out at his school..I think that was just for her gratification..to help her get a job there..not for Kyron.

I think from the things we know now we can see that Terri's life with Kaine had been one lie after another to him, their families and friends. 

I think people who knew Terri will be very surprised when they find out what she was truly like..and what she was truly doing with her free time....and somehow this ties into Kyron being missing.

Lot of good points.  I'm thinking this can of worms is just too big to only be Terri...lots of others I'm thinkings.  In the latest presser, LE didn't mention Terri's name.  But did talk of other investigations to come in the future. 

I think it is more then Terri also.

THINK: Catherine Zeta-Jones' character in Traffic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQu79hI4zg   

[Deenie]

Within the Who's who  and the god knows of these " Adults" un-named but kinda sorta named

With this flagrant air of " drugs, deception, deceit and I don't want to know" .. I really don't.
Not if it has to do with Kyron directly. 

Someone said this earlier. The Family of Kyron may appear to be the " All American Ave" and yet even families who appear on the outside " ave/normal" can be the nuttiest or worse ..
I have to believe this. Because I know all to well, personally, it is what it is "until someone drops a shoe" -and Once its discovered it all falls into place .. even when you never truly knew you have had it smak in your face all along.

Something is staring right at all of us - but we Simply can't go there - because Its not within us to understand it - associating Kyron. Because he is a innocent little boy. 
And what ever is within this case is far worse than we can grasp and I have a feeling we have run over it with a Monkey Mobile several times ..yet we do not know it yet.

I have to go back to a post I made in Kyron's cage - that after I typed it - I freaked my own self out .. Klaas even said " I hope your wrong" meaning she felt my imagination got the best of me .. I have to find it. I can't even remember what I wrote.  But I remember that after I wrote it, I cried.  Hit me like a big red truck.  Not a big red head.

[Monkey King]

Does anyone know if there are trascripts of the Staton presser?

Monkey King, I cannot find transcripts 
But on Koin the video of Staton is full - does not stop or break off
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kyron-investigation-transitions-to-task-force/4Hpc1rxqOkKV5KZa9kIQeA.cspx
Article:
Citing a “critical phase,” the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office announced Wednesday it will transition the Kyron Horman investigation to a special task force.

“It’s time to scale this down,” said Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton in an approximately 35-minute news conference.
“We’ve reached the point—the info we’ve gathered—resources we’ve dedicated—we’ve narrowed it down to a scope,” he said.

The sheriff’s office investment in the Kyron investigation amounts to $1,044,000 so far, according to Staton.
Staton said eight to 10 investigators will be assigned to the Kyron task force, as opposed to the figure of 30 investigators that were previously involved on a weekly basis.
The investigation is still moving forward and the initial scope of resources is still available if needed, according to the sheriff.

After initially throwing everything they had at the investigation process that began June 4, Staton said it is no longer cost-effective or responsible to maintain such a level, and that the time has come for him to release investigators back to their normal tasks.
The decision to implement a task force and reallocate resources came after briefings with investigators and the district attorney’s office, he said.

“I'm very confident and feel very comfortable continuing the investigation in the manner we outlined,” said Staton. "(The investigation) shouldn't fall of the radar screen at all."
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Hope this helps

Thank you , Deenie.  Love the new avatar.  Went to bed, got up to hunt down transcripts.  I transcribed a little yesterday-2 days ago myself, figure the whole thing would be on line by now.

Have to keep looking!

[Deenie]

Your Welcome Monkey King - I had to go back and find my post - that even scared the living Banana's out of me -  after I typed it from a gut reaction - Listening to Staton

Copied from Kyron's closed cage - July 2, 2010 my post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8199.msg1175607#msg1175607
OH for the first time I have a sick sinking feeling ((this is not all about Kyron)).. just listening to this Man speak. My Brain is Popping.

http://www.katu.com/home/video/97705739.html

This is something very very awful that Kyron is a victim of. This is not a domestic situation as they have been professing.  This investigation of Kyron, I believe, has stumbled into something horrific.  This is my gut reaction. His words of Kyron " are of past tense as well" ...Thanking everyone for their duty as if the search is over for Kyron yet is on to " other implicating issues conjoined within Kyron's case, that are hot and being looked at with a microscope".
I think his stating this is of a missing child and this is of a school - translates to " This case is about child victimization that envelopes our community. All /Community as parents are to trust and have faith in our Public School System. Oh god, something is very very wrong. That is why they have used Terri and why she has not said a word, She knows but was not directly involved with Kryon. BUT She knows and is a part of a " I am guessing now" a group of TEACHERs/Public figures that are being highly looked at. I am just guessing. That is my Gut. That this all points back to the Teachers/School. Which goes back to Sandra Cantu and the TRACY 60. All perps being Teachers/Coaches/Scout leaders etc.. A group of Sick Baxtards that work with children ( take, use and abuse children). And use their positions to cover for each other and .... etc. I will have to think about this. This is not good. (( I maybe completely way off, but I don't think I am))If they can bust this ring wide open - that is good. But for Kyron this is not good.
 
omg.
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Klaas wrote:
Deenie - it scares me you are making sense.  The pieces of the puzzle fit together better after reading your post.  I hope your wrong.

[Deenie]

OMG - I am listening to this Video again - and I have shivers all over me ---

The TONE of Staton is -reminding me of Peter Jennings when he broke into TV - January of 91 = We interrupt this programming - Yadda to Hear Peter Jennings say the words I never expected to hear in my life time - America We are Officially at WAR -  Desert Storm 

Staton is SO Matter of FACT in his Tone - He is NOT mincing Words !
He is tactical telling this is " a War" within our Community - this is not just Kyron
Am I nuts or ??
http://www.katu.com/home/video/97705739.html
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http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Kyron-investigation-transitions-to-task-force/4Hpc1rxqOkKV5KZa9kIQeA.cspx

Staton's tone in the last presser is of " drawing back" yet passive aggressive - and he is saying " I am not giving up, I am leaving this to a task force of few local - and giving the other agencies full reign - Basically - this is not a cold case. He is not the MAN in charge any longer - I think he had his RANK Removed ..because again " This is NOT just Kyron" but of something very BIG ..that we cannot comprehend. Yet it ties to the Adults that were of Kyron's caretakers ..

Oh I have that sinking feeling again ...
 
 

[Monkey King]

Since this was an OPEN TO THE PUBLIC EVENT-and the school was attempting to get acreditted (someone had brought this up in a prior),
do we know of any local politicians/assistants visiting the school for this event?

[Deenie]

In the big scope of - using an analogy

No disrespect to Kyron ( For he is loved by All and Everyone) 

Medically speaking - If you find a small affliction say a lump within your body
You go to a Doc and they tell you " the lump" is a symptom of what is really going ON inside your body .. 

Kyron's case is like a Symptom that is attached to a Disease - Him being the first noticed and once LE dug in deeper they found out its extremely ugly .. Way bigger than a little boy missing yet he is attached... His case is attached to something way bigger than they ever thought of finding ... 

Why Terri ran as fast as she could - Away from Media, or possibly even told to Run away from media is Because " She" is not only part of this - SHE has a big fat Target on her Head.
 - by ppl " Unknown to us" yet known by LE.   
X Marks the Spot.  She got way in over her head and did some dealings ..that created a HOT Mess and Kyron was the Victim. Kyron paid the price of her " explicit" side that may or may not include Kaine .. He may know who the ppl are, yet not truly understand who they are. 
She is not only part of this, she is a witness too. Which makes her valuable. 

Terri is human bait and that is why they LE made her such a Focus in the Community - HER FACE on every Flyer thrown out to every Man/Woman and child - Was not to make her known as a Perp ..was to protect her ..and possibly draw in whoever wanted to become involved to represent her ..not defame her. Those who want to become closest to her, defend her, or catch up with her, would want to make her " silent" Weave their way into the investigation, the tainted using someone that would be " innocuous" say um a Grandmother of another Boy? who was used as a pawn for the media?
Or LE playing against TH using maybe a COOK ..because he was part of that once world, we don't want to know about. One Monkey said at one time that MC looked like a Narc. He is not a Narc, but doesn't discount him as an Informant/snitch abating his own destiny. He came in out of nowhere, for Kyron, yet attached himself to Terri. Why is that?  He maybe a working boy for LE, and given gratis ( trade) for his " doings/communications" with Terri - to keep himself from doing time. Him understanding those who she was dealing with. That is why he POPPED in like the magic " do gooder" creating the first Vigil for Kyron. Funding the Tshirts etc..

Why she had a Criminal Atty from Jump... Smoke screens are being pushed from every which way but loose here - and we are stupid enough to fall for it. Because it's enforced by hearsay " when its said" of Terri. LE has never said such scrupulous words of Terri's " bad behaviors, her scrutinizing Kyron, Never. It has all come from Kaine and Desiree. 
(( they are both wanting Kyron back, I am not saying that KH or DY are being Deceptive, More than likely they are cooperating and being told what to say by LE))
They are fronting and telling who ever is watching " Terri is in full security" she is not talking. She has not said a Word and Won't. Terri we Implore you to speak, to talk, to do the right thing - Never once a word spoken out of Terri's mouth to the Press or otherwise. Won't happen.
Define Terri: A guilty Decoy
This is not my imagination .. If I am wrong ..won't be the first time.
Leaving my emotions at the door for Kyron and looking at the big scheme ..
And the Tone of Staton changing like Night and Day  - It makes me think that this is a Case even Bigger than Natalee, Caylee .. its all in the stages of finding a King Pin & associates -  that sticks and convicts many. Terri will definitely go down.  Kyron  "  may save the lives and futures of countless children" that is why Desiree is willing to say " Kyron" is still alive because in her heart Kyron, her son is a Hero. This is why she is not exploding or unearthing on Kaine. She cannot because She knows.   

All is jmo.

Kyron where ever you are (( You are Loved by a Nation)) 
 

[Monkey King]

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[Deenie]

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