Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #28 9/12/2010 - 9/18/2010

[Flymonkey]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/live_blog_kaine_horman_and_des.html

1:55 p.m.: Oprah says that police have not formally charged Terri and do not consider her a suspect. "Do you?"

Kaine and Desiree look at each other for a few seconds.

Kaine: Yeah. I think we do.


Hmmmmmm....Think?  sorta weaker than before?

"Think" is much weaker.  In fact, it even implies they're "not sure" anymore. 

Interesting, because LE is not mentioning Terri lately either.

Must have something to do with what they're discovering in the investigation that the public is not aware of...my, my...to be a fly on the wall.

Hope I'm doing this right... I guess I'm the newest Monkey.  I figured I would jump in here because I've been a "fly on the wall" on this forum for several weeks now, and that's one reason I became "FlyMonkey!"  I am here because I am a friend of DeDe Spicher, and if I can offer you all any information about her I would be happy to do so.

Welcome Flymonkey!

Can you tell us if the Tom Jones posting over in another forum is actually DeDe's relative?  He seems to be asking DeDe questions and posting her answers.

I definitely believe it is Tom, alhough I do now absolutely KNOW it.  DeDe had a long chat with him on Sunday last weekend and he asked her lots of questions, so that posting sounded like things that DeDe would have said directly to him.

I think DeDe is a lovely person.  She is a good friend  and supportive.  I think it's true she had no idea that LE would laser in on her the way they have, but she says she would still have gone to help Terri even if she had known. 

[cw618]

im not sure what to say about it

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dede-Spicher-Support-Page/161167263893656

[sackyattack]

These lists...I guess are lists of the "full-time" teachers.

What about substitutes or "assistants".  I'm thinking the person that left the same day was maybe an assistant...not "full-time".

I can't imagine being able to get a list of the substitutes...and the other support staff, it doesn't specify if they are full or part time...

So the "short" list of those that left seems to be:

Paul Mastin math/ lang arts 6/7/8
kenny Moylan head custodian
Nancy Yates - school psychologist
Alayna Pettingill  para educator
Robert Salvia    para educator

Any monkey want to run these names? And as far as LE all ready clearing anyone or the school, I got the impression from the Sheriff that it is bigger than just Terri

any way to find out about groundskeepers?

[no rose colored glasses]

im not sure what to say about it

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dede-Spicher-Support-Page/161167263893656

Thank-you, I honestly don't know what to say about any of this, very upsetting.

[hellokitty]

 

I don't know if people are getting things confused.  There was a woman who is a relative of the Horman's that owned the houseboat on Sauvie. 

She moved to Arizona.  I read it was the next day and I also read that she had moved a long long time before.  Her initials are AP.  She must be an aunt to the boy Tanner.

As far as finding out who are subs, that would be impossible.  I am sure PPS calls from a sub list and that could be hundreds of people, random;y chosen to sub on a day.  The principal did state that there was no sub that day.

I don't think schools turn in emplyees unless they for some reason get a report.  then they are mandated by law to report.  Where I live, if a person who is a mandtated reporter and that is in many professions, if a person should have known or did know and did not report, that person faces jail and a fine.

Perhaps one would not actually go to jail, but the cost of hiring an attorney would be enough to dter people from not reporting.

Usually a child reports to an adult.  I don't know what a school would see on their own.

[hellokitty]

 

ACKKKKKKKKKK.  I MEANT THAT THE PERSON THAT MOVED IS A RELATIVE OF THE HORMAN"S NEIGHBOR"S!!!!!!!!!!

[no rose colored glasses]

ACKKKKKKKKKK.  I MEANT THAT THE PERSON THAT MOVED IS A RELATIVE OF THE HORMAN"S NEIGHBOR"S!!!!!!!!!!

I knew what you meant.

[Flymonkey]

Hope I'm doing this right... I guess I'm the newest Monkey.  I figured I would jump in here because I've been a "fly on the wall" on this forum for several weeks now, and that's one reason I became "FlyMonkey!"  I am here because I am a friend of DeDe Spicher, and if I can offer you all any information about her I would be happy to do so.

WELCOME FLYMONKEY!!!!       

One thing I have wondered is does DeDe still speak to Terri?
Will they continue their friendship?
Or is DeDe angry at Terri?

DeDe is definitely not angry at Terri, but they have not spoken since about the middle of July.  Terri's attorney is pretty rabid about keeping her off the phone and out of the newpapers.  Also, because LE is probably tracking phone calls from each of them, one calling the other would probably cause the DA to have a stroke!
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Do you think that your phone calls are being recorded when you speak with DeDe? Is DeDe being followed? or watched on a daily basis?  Thank you for answering these questions.
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We have no idea whether they are listening or not, but we do try to laugh about it.   And we sometimes deliberately have long conversations about how incompetent LE has been in this case and how much time they are wasting, just on the off chance that they ARE listening.

DeDe was not thrilled when Jason started posting, but she feels now like he said some things that allowed people to see her as more human.  The information about her losing her job and becoming depressed... that is all pretty true, but I don't think anybody really thought of her as a person until he spilled his guts.  I would like to say that he has put a definite "spin" on the planter box story, but he was mostly pretty honest about the rest.  Oh- except DeDe has definitely had more than one boyfriend.  She was pretty serious about him until it started to become clear that he was somewhat "unstable," so perhaps he thought of himself as her first "serious" boyfriend.

[Spodie]

These lists...I guess are lists of the "full-time" teachers.

What about substitutes or "assistants".  I'm thinking the person that left the same day was maybe an assistant...not "full-time".

I can't imagine being able to get a list of the substitutes...and the other support staff, it doesn't specify if they are full or part time...

So the "short" list of those that left seems to be:

Paul Mastin math/ lang arts 6/7/8
kenny Moylan head custodian
Nancy Yates - school psychologist
Alayna Pettingill  para educator
Robert Salvia    para educator

Any monkey want to run these names? And as far as LE all ready clearing anyone or the school, I got the impression from the Sheriff that it is bigger than just Terri

any way to find out about groundskeepers?

Working on it....so far I know this...

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/news/4363.htm

............. beginning in 1999, budget cuts halved the number of PPS employees responsible for maintaining grounds, leaving six workers during summer and two in the winter, with help from a handful of college students.

[cw618]

flymonkey, did you post your and dede history and i missed it

[no rose colored glasses]

Thank-you Flymonkey for answering my question. And I didn't believe for a minute that Jason was DeDe's first boyfriend, that imo, was ridiculous. And I have no doubt about Jason and being unstable.

[Flymonkey]

flymonkey, did you post your and dede history and i missed it

I haven't posted any history yet.  I have known DeDe for several years.  We have been close for a long time.  Not sure what else you might want to know about our relationship, but I am mostly here to answer questions about the case and do not want to get into personal details.  Obviously I am on her side, and I expect some to assume that I am operating from a position of bias.  I would like to talk mostly about facts and I am hoping that people will read critically and decide for themselves what they want to believe.  If something is just my opinion, I will try to make that clear -- all you monkeys seem to be very conscientious about that!

[Spodie]

flymonkey, did you post your and dede history and i missed it

I haven't posted any history yet.  I have known DeDe for several years.  We have been close for a long time.  Not sure what else you might want to know about our relationship, but I am mostly here to answer questions about the case and do not want to get into personal details.  Obviously I am on her side, and I expect some to assume that I am operating from a position of bias.  I would like to talk mostly about facts and I am hoping that people will read critically and decide for themselves what they want to believe.  If something is just my opinion, I will try to make that clear -- all you monkeys seem to be very conscientious about that!

Can you tell us who DeDe thinks did this to Kyron and how it was done?

[eoc]

Hi, all...jut been lurking fo a while.  Had no time to post.  I want to start off by saying how astoundingly perceptive all of you are.  I follow this website to see all of the up-to-date info on this case.  That being said, will no one question Flymonkey's validity??  Not one person has question the fact that this person might not "REALLY" be DS's friend.  and HE/SE/ITS andwers seem awful vague.  Just sayin'.   

[klaasend]

im not sure what to say about it

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dede-Spicher-Support-Page/161167263893656

Not sure why DeDe needs a support page.  DeDe is not Kyron's parent nor is she related to him.  This about Kyron and not DeDe.  I'm sure DeDe is aware of that. 

[klaasend]

Hi, all...jut been lurking fo a while.  Had no time to post.  I want to start off by saying how astoundingly perceptive all of you are.  I follow this website to see all of the up-to-date info on this case.  That being said, will no one question Flymonkey's validity??  Not one person has question the fact that this person might not "REALLY" be DS's friend.  and HE/SE/ITS andwers seem awful vague.  Just sayin'.   

Excellent point but I'm not sure in the scheme of things it makes any difference one way or the other. 

[Flymonkey]

flymonkey, did you post your and dede history and i missed it

I haven't posted any history yet.  I have known DeDe for several years.  We have been close for a long time.  Not sure what else you might want to know about our relationship, but I am mostly here to answer questions about the case and do not want to get into personal details.  Obviously I am on her side, and I expect some to assume that I am operating from a position of bias.  I would like to talk mostly about facts and I am hoping that people will read critically and decide for themselves what they want to believe.  If something is just my opinion, I will try to make that clear -- all you monkeys seem to be very conscientious about that!

Can you tell us who DeDe thinks did this to Kyron and how it was done?

I hope this won't be too disappointing, but she really doesn't have any idea.   
The only theory she ever speculated on to me was that Kyron had been having some sort of "mini-seizure"  episodes, where he was pretty out of it, although not entirely unconscious.  She thought it was possible that if he was in that state and encountered someone who would be interested in taking advantage of him, he would not have been "with it" enough to know better or to resist.  It is very sad that he has been missing so long.  I think it is very unfortunate that so much valuable time has been wasted that could have been spent looking for him when the trail was fresher.

[cw618]

flymonkey, did you post your and dede history and i missed it

I haven't posted any history yet.  I have known DeDe for several years.  We have been close for a long time.  Not sure what else you might want to know about our relationship, but I am mostly here to answer questions about the case and do not want to get into personal details.  Obviously I am on her side, and I expect some to assume that I am operating from a position of bias.  I would like to talk mostly about facts and I am hoping that people will read critically and decide for themselves what they want to believe.  If something is just my opinion, I will try to make that clear -- all you monkeys seem to be very conscientious about that!

thanks and i forgot to welcome you
so im guessing you feel dede is a truthful,aboveboard type of person, cool
i knew a guy once, and i thought no way he would never do anything like that
turned out greed was his demon, i would never have thought it of him, i was
just so surprised

[Flymonkey]

Hi, all...jut been lurking fo a while.  Had no time to post.  I want to start off by saying how astoundingly perceptive all of you are.  I follow this website to see all of the up-to-date info on this case.  That being said, will no one question Flymonkey's validity??  Not one person has question the fact that this person might not "REALLY" be DS's friend.  and HE/SE/ITS andwers seem awful vague.  Just sayin'.   

I can assure you that I am not an "it," if that increases my believability factor!

[klaasend]

flymonkey, did you post your and dede history and i missed it

I haven't posted any history yet.  I have known DeDe for several years.  We have been close for a long time.  Not sure what else you might want to know about our relationship, but I am mostly here to answer questions about the case and do not want to get into personal details.  Obviously I am on her side, and I expect some to assume that I am operating from a position of bias.  I would like to talk mostly about facts and I am hoping that people will read critically and decide for themselves what they want to believe.  If something is just my opinion, I will try to make that clear -- all you monkeys seem to be very conscientious about that!

Can you tell us who DeDe thinks did this to Kyron and how it was done?

I hope this won't be too disappointing, but she really doesn't have any idea.   
The only theory she ever speculated on to me was that Kyron had been having some sort of "mini-seizure"  episodes, where he was pretty out of it, although not entirely unconscious.  She thought it was possible that if he was in that state and encountered someone who would be interested in taking advantage of him, he would not have been "with it" enough to know better or to resist.  It is very sad that he has been missing so long.  I think it is very unfortunate that so much valuable time has been wasted that could have been spent looking for him when the trail was fresher.

LE has been doing everything to look for Kyron from day one.  Not sure why you are suggesting they haven't.  Just because they have their sights on Terri doesn't make them wrong or unfortunate.  I happen to agree with LE and do believe Terri is responsible.

As far as "mini Seizures", Kaine and Desiree made it clear there were no medical problems with Kyron at all.  I think DeDe has been believing Terri and has relayed that on to others.  DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE.